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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.06.18 22:23:55 -
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Some refinement is in order - make them more "contrasting", i.e. sharper and more varied angular shapes.
Some of them feels very uninformative & blob-like - the industrial section for example.
Frigate to Destroyer, and Cruiser through to Battleship difference doesn't appear to be enough, since a single chevron can be lost in the sea of targets.
Use hexagons at the very least!
I think the limiting factor is the height of the Overview entry line, because they do feel cramped from an artistic & functionality perspective.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.06.18 23:13:18 -
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http://www.fontscape.com/pictures/fontfont/Dingbats2BasicForms.gif
One doesn't have to limit oneself to chevrons and upward direction, CCP.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.06.19 00:32:22 -
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Cleanse Serce wrote:Dangeresque Too wrote:Ok, so before you said that, did you spend countless hours and evenings testing and providing objective feedback or developing improved alternatives over the last several months? And after you spent those many many hours doing CCP's work to have them utterly ignore it and release with full abandon only to say you were wrong?
Those guys are developpers this is their job. They are paid for doing what they do. They work while you play. Who are you to even make the statement that your work worth more than theirs ? Seriously. Who the hell are you to just say "Nope, your icones are ****, you should do this, that and this." They've come with a product of a reflexion and time, and you just think that whatever work you did is better ? You truely believe that whith all what they came up with, they will just come back and redo the icones ? What the ****. Wake up spoiled kids. Wake the hell up. Improving the current icones : yes. Goin back in time, or completly re-do the icones : nope.
I'm not quite sure why you're so triggered by this.
While insults can never be excused, the amount of feedback that went out during the testing phase, and subsequently ignored plus this blog can & does blow off lids for the right reasons.
The premise for the system is logically valid, but what if the chosen concept style is not?
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.06.19 00:43:56 -
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Cleanse Serce wrote:GankYou wrote:The premise for the system is logically valid, but what if the chosen concept style is not? Because each and every individual would have his own "valid concept style" ?
That is not the case.
There are only so many angles you can have in a geometric shape - how you employ this fact is upto the artist, of course.
http://www.fontscape.com/pictures/fontfont/Dingbats2BasicForms.gif - Anything from this three-lined basic set would be ten times more informative than the chevron model.
They could have chosed to make frigates & destroyers Upward Triangles, cruisers a rhombus icon and battlecruisers & battleships Downward Triangles. You know, like the public Men & Women bathroom signs.
I don't see the eternal Hex-, or Pentagon in there, either.
The best approach would have been to first select the best-possible shapes for the spaceships, since we encounter and deal with them more than with anything else, and seeing as our very lives depend on that, and then devise some chevrons for the miscellanea.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.06.19 01:02:14 -
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http://i.imgur.com/RYBmrkG.png - Two minutes in Paint.
Now you may add chevrons to distinguish between Frigs & Destroyers, and Cruisers & BCs. You can even have so much detail as to denote tech, or even sub-class level like Recon ships.
All else is of little relevance, until the issue of combat spaceship icons is resolved.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.06.19 01:25:17 -
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Cleanse Serce wrote: I'm still waiting haters shooting statues...
No need to be mean in dire times like these. It could approach a situation when there's no one left to do so.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.06.19 01:56:00 -
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beakerax wrote:GankYou wrote:No need to be mean in dire times like these. It could approach a situation when there's no one left to do so. First they came for the ship spinners, and I did not shoot the statue because I was not a ship spinnerGǪ
Although, there was no statue-shooting because of Phoebe due to the fact that it needed to happen, as batphone had become the cause for waning player activity numbers by that time, in my opinion.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.06.19 13:49:58 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:I havent adapted to it yet and probably never will, Im not sure who you asked that adapted to this change, it certainly was nobody I play with. My biggest complaint is that all brackets have the same size now, from light drone through pod to battleahip, making it incredibly difficult to distinguish ships from drones.
I feels you.
This puts a lid on returning to PvP for me - the combat situation awareness is horrendous with those chevrons flying around.
Remember, two minutes in Paint - http://i.imgur.com/RYBmrkG.png
EVE has so much information overload, even though it is a relatively low Actions Per Minute game - some things need to more than straightforward, and overview is one of them.
Sophia Mileghere wrote:Here was a very good idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=427590&p=93 Red Deck wrote:Just an idea...
CCP, if you are really interested in knowing what people think about the new icons and how strongly they feel about the issue, why don't you create a poll and link it prominently from the launcher? I recall participating in a poll on new features in EVE published by CCP before...
Trust me when I say there is a lot more pissed people than you can see in this (already monumental) thread...
The poll might be super simple like
Choose one from: A) Love the new icons, keep the old ones buried. B) Mixed bag, no strong feelings either way. C) The new icons don't work for me, roll the whole thing back.
and as an extra yes/no question: D) Make using the old icons an option.
This should provide you with data enough to possibly reconsider your current course of action (or a solid justification to tell all of us in this thread very plainly to shut the **** up because we are clearly just an insignificant, even if vocal minority). So that can be simply ascertained what the customers want, CCP should really put up the idea with the survey. So a survey gets itself relatively fast. If CCP did this, they would save all one amount of time and frustration. Of course they would have to put the survey fairly and neutrally and they should publish the result. Finally, CCP must implement the results only in the game. CCP, a question I would still have. Because CSM does not speak to us: What exactly has said the CSM to the Icons?
This is one of the best ideas, in like forever.
Poll data would still stay internal.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:30:55 -
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Colour-coding for everything on the overview would be best, but that further emphasizes the issue of the likeness of all of the chevron icons.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.06.19 15:21:28 -
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croakroach wrote:GankYou wrote:Colour-coding for everything on the overview would be best, but that further emphasizes the issue of the likeness of all of the chevron icons. http://puu.sh/iuRgo/f1f1b54817.jpg That could be interesting; it would help the color blind folks too as we can pick colors we can see.
Indeed, the more systematic the "coding" is - the better.
Our brains are wired to very efficiently recognise coherent patterns - colour is one of them.
Size + colour + shape would be the bestest, however even proper overview icon sizing alone made this game function for more than 12 years, and right now we have none of the aforementioned things.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.06.19 18:49:36 -
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Relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_overload
Cleanse Serce wrote: I was just responding to the non-constructive feedbacks syaing : "go back to old system, i have my habits, screw you CCP"..
It is not about the habits, but rather about the cohesion of the concept in question.
One could make a bicycle with a hexa-, or a heptagon wheel, though why would one do that?
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.06.19 19:24:49 -
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SamuraiJack wrote: You cant see a fracking THING in niarja atm with all the goon ganking. Concord everywhere.
http://i.imgur.com/1JyOZCP.jpg
I don't see myself returning to PvP in EVE until the issue of the triangles w/ chevrons is resolved.
The only icons that work are the Shuttles & the Rookie ships - that's it.
Disclosure: I play on a 17'' notebook at 1920x1080 resolution and 100% UI scaling.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.06.19 19:32:30 -
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SamuraiJack wrote:GankYou wrote:SamuraiJack wrote: You cant see a fracking THING in niarja atm with all the goon ganking. Concord everywhere.
http://i.imgur.com/TYXoYah.jpg I don't see myself returning to PvP in EVE until the issue of the triangles w/ chevrons is resolved. The only icons that work are the Shuttles & the Rookie ships - that's it. Disclosure: I play on a 17'' notebook at 1920x1080 resolution and 100% UI scaling. So in short. Yes they did break it.
The whole underlying problem is that they went to do all ze icons at the same time - should've started with player spaceships before touching anything else.
I also have no idea why icons for objects like the planets, moons, the sun, containers and wrecks were changed in the first place.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.06.19 19:47:32 -
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Another major issue is no differentiation by weapons systems - the old varying in size icons gave hints straight away what you'd be dealing with.
This would also function in the same manner http://i.imgur.com/RYBmrkG.png / http://i.imgur.com/0XNw6FC.png
Can't confuse a small turret/LM frigates with cruisers here, and of course cruisers can sport RLMLs, so a down triangle can spell both an easy kill & trouble for frigates.
The rhombus = Large turrets/missiles plus Heavy neuts of course.
In an engagement, the information is best read from the left to right - Icon, followed by type & velocity, unless of course the enemy sports a uniform fleet that you have the intel on in advance.
The underlying feature is CONTRAST.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.06.19 20:15:29 -
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This is a very bad situation indeed, and overview is not the Neocom, which can be ignored most of the time.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.06.20 14:38:13 -
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Even this example has too much information & similarity for combat between 4 classes of ships that all use different-sized weapons systems. The carrier one I like, if it gets differentiated by size like the old icons, but it might as well could be a rhombus or a pentagon.
Not quite sure why people stop counting at three angles.
The chosen concept is at fault here - wrecks competing with PvP spaceships for the best icon concepts.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.06.22 11:43:55 -
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John Lawyer wrote:Btw, someone spoke about that people who dont like new icons are few, but here is the poll from russian eve-forum about new patch which tells different (http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?showtopic=113538)
In short (from top to bottom): 1&2 lines - pro (~23% combined) 3 line - neutral (~8%) 4&5 lines - contra (~69%)
To completely prevent any speculations, it is need to make a poll here, of course.
I can read Russian, and those reported poll numbers are accurate. The [48.31%] choice has a wishful thinking request to bring the old overview icons back as a valid option, it is also the most strongly-worded, roughly translated as "Didn't like it at all", while the one above is "Didn't like it".
Fifty six pages already in that thread alone, mind you.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.06.22 12:28:23 -
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The new normal is 40k.
We hit 40k on May 2nd after a major patch on the 28th of April, but I see your point.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.07.06 11:49:12 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-aegis
Quote:All overview and bracket icons have now thicker line strokes. Friendly NPCs now have a blue tint The amount of drone icon groups have been simplified from 8 to 4. The overview and bracket icon for the Mobile Depot has been changed. The overview and bracket icon for Wrecks has been changed.
Should be a good change.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.07.07 10:14:35 -
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New Drone icons - http://images.contentful.com/kvd74o0q2fjg/2aNo6BkceEqIA8kk6CcGss/122813e0ba08d4c5235cd7e9cb454f50/NewOverviewBrackets_Legend2.png
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