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Captain Raynor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.24 09:37:00 -
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The Nighthawk still has no rate of fire bonus, we're getting pretty close to Nov 28th here.. I think everyone was looking forward to the Nighthawk actually being able to put down DPS like the other Command Battlecruisers but it still has the same stupid precision/target nav bonuses on SiSi.
Did CCP change their minds on fixing the Nighthawk?
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Daniel Jackson > a harbinger cant be a raven cause its not caldari Daniel Jackson > and its not a missle ship Jim Raynor > thank you for that expert analysis DJ
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.11.24 11:51:00 -
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Caldaris do not deserve even average warships. They deserve only worst warships. So CCP nerfed in Kali Raven Eagle Scorpion Rook Falcon Drake and forgot(ha-ha) to slightly improve Nighthawk. --------------------------------- Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS. R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
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Kamikaaazi
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Posted - 2006.11.24 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa Caldaris do not deserve even average warships. They deserve only worst warships. So CCP nerfed in Kali Raven Eagle Scorpion Rook Falcon Drake and forgot(ha-ha) to slightly improve Nighthawk.
Raven had "allways hit" for 0.1 damage "i win button", "super" dual 1600mm plate "tank" and "insane" 1/2 turret BS DPS. (lets not talk about its "superior" speed and dronebay. It deserved to get nerfed. ECM ships had "too much" damage and tank. Missiles just have "way too much" DPS without damage bonuses. Anyone can fit "indestructible" tanks with 2-4 low slots. Drake allready had "too many" launcher hardpoints compared to turrets. You dont see any other BC with 7 turrets, do you? RoF bonus is bad for you also, kinetic is just so much better. Atleast we got another BC (ferox) that has "superior" dps compared to others.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.24 12:22:00 -
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BR it, its what I would do =P ----------------
Kali ships worth flying left: Harbinger, Rokh. Only 2 left tux, you can make it! |
Melicien Tetro
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Posted - 2006.11.24 13:13:00 -
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I think the introduction of HAMs was a pretty big boost to the pvp ability of the nighthawk. I'd still like to see either bonus get changed, but not both.
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Kamikaaazi
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Posted - 2006.11.24 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Melicien Tetro I think the introduction of HAMs was a pretty big boost to the pvp ability of the nighthawk. I'd still like to see either bonus get changed, but not both.
repeat after me: "NH doesn't have enough grid to fit HAM-s". It can barely fit heavy II-s and a gang module.
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Melicien Tetro
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Posted - 2006.11.24 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kamikaaazi
Originally by: Melicien Tetro I think the introduction of HAMs was a pretty big boost to the pvp ability of the nighthawk. I'd still like to see either bonus get changed, but not both.
repeat after me: "NH doesn't have enough grid to fit HAM-s". It can barely fit heavy II-s and a gang module.
PDS II is your friend, as far as the heavy IIs goes. I think they solve that entirely. However, It definitely would have a problem with a rack of HAMs and a gang module. Maybe give the thing some more grid.
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Kamikaaazi
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Posted - 2006.11.24 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Melicien Tetro
Originally by: Kamikaaazi
Originally by: Melicien Tetro I think the introduction of HAMs was a pretty big boost to the pvp ability of the nighthawk. I'd still like to see either bonus get changed, but not both.
repeat after me: "NH doesn't have enough grid to fit HAM-s". It can barely fit heavy II-s and a gang module.
PDS II is your friend, as far as the heavy IIs goes. I think they solve that entirely. However, It definitely would have a problem with a rack of HAMs and a gang module. Maybe give the thing some more grid.
NH also has no missile velocity/flight time bonus. Its really slow and has huge mass and needs med slots for tanking and scrambling. Now imagine how useful those HAM-s could be?
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.11.24 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kamikaaazi
Originally by: Melicien Tetro
Originally by: Kamikaaazi
Originally by: Melicien Tetro I think the introduction of HAMs was a pretty big boost to the pvp ability of the nighthawk. I'd still like to see either bonus get changed, but not both.
repeat after me: "NH doesn't have enough grid to fit HAM-s". It can barely fit heavy II-s and a gang module.
PDS II is your friend, as far as the heavy IIs goes. I think they solve that entirely. However, It definitely would have a problem with a rack of HAMs and a gang module. Maybe give the thing some more grid.
NH also has no missile velocity/flight time bonus. Its really slow and has huge mass and needs med slots for tanking and scrambling. Now imagine how useful those HAM-s could be?
Tux thinks that extremely useful. He was so proud by his idea about HAM that forgot about real fight: to use HAM you have to keep 15 km range. To keep this range your ship has to be fast and agile. Ha-ha-ha. Fast and agile Nighthawk! Fast and agile Caldari missile boats! --------------------------------- Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS. R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
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Captain Raynor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Melicien Tetro I think the introduction of HAMs was a pretty big boost to the pvp ability of the nighthawk. I'd still like to see either bonus get changed, but not both.
The Cerberus out damages the Nighthawk.. it is the only HAC that can out DPS their Command Battlecruiser counterpart.. it also out ranges it too.
It was said Nighthawk would lose a precision/target nav bonus and get rate of fire, which it needs desperately, but it still has the same old bonuses..
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Daniel Jackson > a harbinger cant be a raven cause its not caldari Daniel Jackson > and its not a missle ship Jim Raynor > thank you for that expert analysis DJ
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Jocca Quinn
Matari BackBone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 19:17:00 -
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When I checked my Nighthawk on SISI this am the ROF on the Heavy launcher II's was 5.15 vs the 6.87 on TQ. I figured that the bonus had been changed but not the description.
Since then there has been another patch and a mirror though so I can't confirm its still that way.
JQ
none of us are free as long as one of us is chained none of us are free |
Captain Raynor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.24 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jocca Quinn When I checked my Nighthawk on SISI this am the ROF on the Heavy launcher II's was 5.15 vs the 6.87 on TQ. I figured that the bonus had been changed but not the description.
Since then there has been another patch and a mirror though so I can't confirm its still that way.
JQ
You might be right. Cool. I don't have battlecruisers 5 on SiSi so I can't tell myself. :(
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Daniel Jackson > a harbinger cant be a raven cause its not caldari Daniel Jackson > and its not a missle ship Jim Raynor > thank you for that expert analysis DJ
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.24 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 24/11/2006 20:26:09
Originally by: Zixxa
Tux thinks that extremely useful. He was so proud by his idea about HAM that forgot about real fight: to use HAM you have to keep 15 km range. To keep this range your ship has to be fast and agile. Ha-ha-ha. Fast and agile Nighthawk! Fast and agile Caldari missile boats!
People always seem to forget. Its true that Caldari with MWD < Any other race with MWD, in terms of speed. But Caldari with MWD still > anything without MWD.
You don't need to be *the fastest* to keep in range (and you should be close to 15km in PVP, if you're tackling, anyway). Most ships don't fit an MWD- the only ones that do are short range ships, and they'll be coming into your range anyway.
Its true that you're not going to keep up with a Minny Command Ship MWDing in the opposite direction in the Nighthawk, but how often does that happen?
And anyhow, it's not that slow. It's only 5 m/s slower and 750kkg heavier than the Astarte, and thats a venerable old blaster boat if ever there was.
EDIT: Not that I don't think the Nighthawk doesn't need a boost- I've never really encountered one, so I don't know (the fact I havn't encountered one probably says a lot though). I'm just disputing the "Short range missiles are no good for Caldari" stuff. -----------------------------------------------
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.25 00:56:00 -
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Oh come on. It is not in patch notes! _________________________________________
Once I thought T2 BPO Lottery is a problem... Then I've become a part of problem and I relized that previously I was just plain jealous. |
Lord Nyx
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Posted - 2006.11.25 02:45:00 -
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Its amazing how stupid ppl can be and how the group as a whole will engage in a conversation that is pointless and based on said stupid persons lack of intelligence/laziness.
The NH DOES have the ROF bonus, how bought right clicking on a fitted launcher and compairing to TQ.
So what if the description isnt fixed. it'll only be the 1000th time the description wasnt updated.
jeez
I hate MMO forums
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Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.11.25 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 Edited by: Patch86 on 24/11/2006 20:26:09
Originally by: Zixxa
Tux thinks that extremely useful. He was so proud by his idea about HAM that forgot about real fight: to use HAM you have to keep 15 km range. To keep this range your ship has to be fast and agile. Ha-ha-ha. Fast and agile Nighthawk! Fast and agile Caldari missile boats!
People always seem to forget. Its true that Caldari with MWD < Any other race with MWD, in terms of speed. But Caldari with MWD still > anything without MWD.
You don't need to be *the fastest* to keep in range (and you should be close to 15km in PVP, if you're tackling, anyway). Most ships don't fit an MWD- the only ones that do are short range ships, and they'll be coming into your range anyway.
Its true that you're not going to keep up with a Minny Command Ship MWDing in the opposite direction in the Nighthawk, but how often does that happen?
And anyhow, it's not that slow. It's only 5 m/s slower and 750kkg heavier than the Astarte, and thats a venerable old blaster boat if ever there was.
EDIT: Not that I don't think the Nighthawk doesn't need a boost- I've never really encountered one, so I don't know (the fact I havn't encountered one probably says a lot though). I'm just disputing the "Short range missiles are no good for Caldari" stuff.
shield tanking makes it kind of hard to tackle at the same time. That's what tacklers are for.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.25 05:59:00 -
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As long as the ROF bonus is there, I couldn't care less about the description, however that's not a greenlight for the devs to never fix it obviously.
Still, I think dropping the kinetic bonus, for a 7th launcher slot (upping dps for 3 types and dropping it for kin) would be fun, but the NH is going to be a nice ship now regardless. I pity anyone who plans to use HAMs for missions though unless they're fitting an AB or MWD.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.25 08:20:00 -
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If the boni is on, fix the Description!!! _________________________________________
Once I thought T2 BPO Lottery is a problem... Then I've become a part of problem and I relized that previously I was just plain jealous. |
CHAOS100
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: CHAOS100 on 25/11/2006 09:51:54 COME ON... stop whining about caldari being crap. Caldari are the new best race in game pretty much, gallente has been downgraded. No more good blasterthrons, where before only the raven could kill. Despite the nerf of javelin torps, I am sure the ravens will still be one of the best BS. (not to mention the rokh tankage)
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Wotar
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Posted - 2006.11.25 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: CHAOS100 Edited by: CHAOS100 on 25/11/2006 09:51:54 COME ON... stop whining about caldari being crap. Caldari are the new best race in game pretty much, gallente has been downgraded. No more good blasterthrons, where before only the raven could kill. Despite the nerf of javelin torps, I am sure the ravens will still be one of the best BS. (not to mention the rokh tankage)
Reading comprehension ftw
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Naal Morno
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.25 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: CHAOS100 Edited by: CHAOS100 on 25/11/2006 09:51:54 COME ON... stop whining about caldari being crap. Caldari are the new best race in game pretty much, gallente has been downgraded. No more good blasterthrons, where before only the raven could kill. Despite the nerf of javelin torps, I am sure the ravens will still be one of the best BS. (not to mention the rokh tankage)
Sorry, but pleae ready the subject and then politely do not participate in this post, aka STFU. _________________________________________
Once I thought T2 BPO Lottery is a problem... Then I've become a part of problem and I relized that previously I was just plain jealous. |
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