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Ihar Enda
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.26 10:13:00 -
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Quote: The powergrid on the Deimos has been increased to 950MW and powergrids on the Sacrilege and Muninn to 1100MW.
As you can see, Munnin is getting boosted to 1100pg, while Deimos only gets 950pg. My question is, why CCP?
Let's compare the close range guns for both ships, fitting-wise.
Deimos:
- Heavy Neutron Blaster II - 212pg
- Heavy Ion Blaster II - 158pg
Muninn:
- 425MM Autocannon II - 154pg
- 220MM Vulcan Autocannon II - 110pg
As anyone can see, the highest tier autocannons take LESS pg than medium sized blasters. And Munnin gets 150 pg more than Deimos!?
On top of that, Deimos HAS TO fit mwd, whereas Munnin not necessarily so, as it's 34m/s FASTER than Deimos (an extremely close range ship with an optimal around 1500m) and Muninn's guns have more range.
What is the reasoning? Note that this isn't a Muninn whine, by all means go ahead and give Muninn that kinda pg. But now the Deimos should have probably around 1200 or more pg for that to make any kind of sense. Remember, it's guns take alot more pg and it has to fit MWD, period.
Please CCP, could someone give the reasoning for these chages? There's clearly something wrong here. Deimos deserves more of a boost.
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solidshot
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.26 10:16:00 -
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Arties?
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Ihar Enda
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.26 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: solidshot
Arties?
Fine. Give Deimos enough pg to fit a full rack of 250mm II's. It's slower than Muninn, will be better off with fitting rails anyway. Uh.
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Rhamnousia
Caldari Templars of Light Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.11.26 10:44:00 -
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GG Gallente.
im guessing that CCP wants us to go back to the NOS domi and now, NOS domi junior.
blaster are gettin nerfed to hell and back, no frakking point of flying a blasterboat no **** more ... meh.
but hey, no would fly deimos, or use blaster, they'll be cheaper and i'll save a ton of money. --------------------------------------- - yes, im a noob - yes, im a nut job - no, i dont give a .... about what u think of my noobness - now, tell me sumthing i dont know |
Arktaos
Minmatar The Bratwurst Burglars
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Posted - 2006.11.26 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Arktaos on 26/11/2006 11:06:21 720mm Howitzer Artillery - 275pg
250mm Railgun II - 236pg
Deimos is a blaster boat, Muninn is an artillery boat.
Before patch Muninn barely had enough PG to fit a full rack of 720mm II with AWU 5. Now we can actually make some semi-decent fittings with artillery, as the ship is supposed to.
No reason to use the Muninn as an AC boat, it's got two huge holes in its armor resist. But that's why we got the vagabond as an AC boat.
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Originally by: Ihar Enda
Originally by: solidshot
Arties?
Fine. Give Deimos enough pg to fit a full rack of 250mm II's. It's slower than Muninn, will be better off with fitting rails anyway. Uh.
It has always had enough PG to fit a full rack of 250mm II. ---------------------------------
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xh'duality
Caldari Caldari Luftwaffe Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.26 11:07:00 -
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Well blaster's are harder hitting gun's then rail's and arty's are harder hitting then auto's. So I dont see why there owuld be anything wrong about the way it got setup.
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The Enslaver
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.26 11:10:00 -
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Muninn is supposed to be an arty ship... The Vagabond is supposed to be the autocannon ship.
As such, Muninn needs to powergrid to fit arties. -------- It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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xh'duality
Caldari Caldari Luftwaffe Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.26 11:16:00 -
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exactly my point. Cause I cant imagine a Deimos with 250mm. What would be that point of the Deimos being a close range ship.
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Swamp Ziro
EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.26 11:30:00 -
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******* gallente can't seem to stop whining lately.
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Ihar Enda
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.26 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Arktaos 720mm Howitzer Artillery - 275pg
250mm Railgun II - 236pg
Deimos is a blaster boat, Muninn is an artillery boat.
Before patch Muninn barely had enough PG to fit a full rack of 720mm II with AWU 5. Now we can actually make some semi-decent fittings with artillery, as the ship is supposed to.
No reason to use the Muninn as an AC boat, it's got two huge holes in its armor resist. But that's why we got the vagabond as an AC boat.
EDIT: [quote=Ihar Enda
Originally by: solidshot
Arties?
Fine. Give Deimos enough pg to fit a full rack of 250mm II's. It's slower than Muninn, will be better off with fitting rails anyway. Uh.
It has always had enough PG to fit a full rack of 250mm II.
I don't think you can fit 250mm's on the Deimos and have any kind of a decent setup. I'll have to see though.
And why the hell would you not use Muninn as a close range ship? It's fast, much faster than Deimos, and with the changes should comfortably fit 4-5 AC's along with 2x med nos and a decent tank.
Originally by: xh'duality exactly my point. Cause I cant imagine a Deimos with 250mm. What would be that point of the Deimos being a close range ship.
Why exactly is Deimos a close range ship? Because it says so in the description? As it is now it is NOT a close range ship. Not with the speed / agility it has.
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Wrayeth
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.26 11:59:00 -
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This topic is just...ridiculous. Comparing autocannons to blasters as if the munin was supposed to be an autocannon boat. It has an optimal range bonus, and autocannons have NO optimal range. A 50% optimal range bonus would increase optimal from 2km to 3km (i.e. who cares?). In contrast, AC ships like the vagabond and sleipnir get falloff bonuses.
TBH, most of what's wrong with Minmatar seems to come about because of Gallente whiners, IMO. "OMG! A Matari ship that can stand toe-to-toe with my Gallente ships! It must be overpowered! Minmatar aren't allowed to be good! NERF IT!" -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!" |
Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.11.27 02:19:00 -
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The OP has no clue. End of story.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.11.27 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Arktaos Deimos is a blaster boat, Muninn is an artillery boat.
Thats really all that needs to be said.
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.27 05:12:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 27/11/2006 05:13:46
Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: Arktaos Deimos is a blaster boat, Muninn is an artillery boat.
Thats really all that needs to be said.
So the Muninn is faster than the Deimos?
Wow it all makes a LOT of sense now.
All this "THIS is SUPPOSED to be used like THAT" doesn't cut the mustard when it comes to pass that "this" CAN'T be used like "that". The Deimos can't be used effectively as a blaster boat, and the way it is going, no other blaster ship can either.
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Ortos
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Posted - 2006.11.27 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 27/11/2006 05:13:46
Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: Arktaos Deimos is a blaster boat, Muninn is an artillery boat.
Thats really all that needs to be said.
So the Muninn is faster than the Deimos?
Wow it all makes a LOT of sense now.
All this "THIS is SUPPOSED to be used like THAT" doesn't cut the mustard when it comes to pass that "this" CAN'T be used like "that". The Deimos can't be used effectively as a blaster boat, and the way it is going, no other blaster ship can either.
I'll have to agree, since muninn is the long range boat, it being faster seems ...well, wrong. But after all, its a Minmatar ship, and they usually are the fastest in their class.
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Captain Raynor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.27 07:09:00 -
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Autocannons use too little grid to be honest.. makes it hard to balance minmatar ships.. CCP tries to give them enough grid for artys and they wind up being able to set up pretty overpowered auto+plate setups.
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