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Caedicus
Minmatar Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.27 22:08:00 -
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Okay so Destroyers are getting a whopping 66% of hitpoint increase while BC's will be getting a 56.25% increase. This is significantly higher than the hp increase of the other ships. Now I noticed during my brief PVP experiences that BC's (bar the Brutix) and destroyers were very rare encounters. I think it was obvious that it was very difficult to make these ships useful in PVP.
Are the HP increases to these ships going to change this? I hope it will because I always love to see diversity in PVP.
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Powder Monkey
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Posted - 2006.11.27 22:10:00 -
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It will make BC overpowered.
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LWMaverick
Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.27 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Powder Monkey It will make BC overpowered.
Not really.
And the answer is "Yes", now its finally an alternative to jump in a t1 bc and wreck some havoc.
But the reason for that, is still the agility boost.
They we're simply too **** slow before
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.27 22:22:00 -
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Destroyers and BCs were already viable in PvP...if you don't suck.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"Victory is the weakness of the enemy."
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.27 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian Destroyers and BCs were already viable in PvP...if you don't suck.
The BC changes to agility will sweeten the deal more then an HP increase. Destroyers are very situational toys though.
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Swamp Ziro
EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.27 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 27/11/2006 22:45:51
Originally by: Aeaus
Originally by: Thor Xian Destroyers and BCs were already viable in PvP...if you don't suck.
The BC changes to agility will sweeten the deal more then an HP increase. Destroyers are very situational toys though.
There's NO wolfpack that could not use a solid mwd/dual extender AC thrasher. Brings needed dps to the table when you need to bust a hard tank.
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Shadowsword
Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.27 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 27/11/2006 22:45:51
Originally by: Aeaus
Originally by: Thor Xian Destroyers and BCs were already viable in PvP...if you don't suck.
The BC changes to agility will sweeten the deal more then an HP increase. Destroyers are very situational toys though.
There's NO wolfpack that could not use a solid mwd/dual extender AC thrasher. Brings needed dps to the table when you need to bust a hard tank.
And such a setup is only possible because AC powergrid requirements are in sore need of a fix.
As do medium beams, besides... ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types. |
Shozo
Gallente Ore Whoreders
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Posted - 2006.11.27 23:18:00 -
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since when have BC's and Destroyers not been pvp viable?
get some skillz y0.
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Majin82
Caldari g guild
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Posted - 2006.11.27 23:25:00 -
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Destoryers were paper thin.
I would never think of flying one unlessI was with a gang of 4 other Destroyers.
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GO MaZ
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.27 23:31:00 -
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At least now I know im gonna be flying a brutix rather than my deimos
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Captain Raynor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.27 23:57:00 -
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Is it me or did cruisers get kind of robbed in the HP increase?
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Caedicus
Minmatar Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.28 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shozo since when have BC's and Destroyers not been pvp viable?
get some skillz y0.
That's actaully kind of the point. You actually need skills to make those ships effective. While there are a number of ships in the game where you can be effective without "l33t skillz".
There's a reason why certain ships are rarely seen in PVP situations, and it's definately not because they are pwnmobiles.
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Tovarishch
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.28 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tovarishch on 28/11/2006 00:04:31
Originally by: Thor Xian Destroyers and BCs were already viable in PvP...if you don't suck.
And a one month old character who spams the forums would know this... how?
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Caedicus
Minmatar Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.28 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Raynor Is it me or did cruisers get kind of robbed in the HP increase?
I would have liked to see cruisers/frigs get a slightly better boost than BS's. But that's just me.
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Angus McLean
Gallente Divinity Trials
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Posted - 2006.11.28 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Caedicus
Originally by: Shozo since when have BC's and Destroyers not been pvp viable?
get some skillz y0.
That's actaully kind of the point. You actually need skills to make those ships effective. While there are a number of ships in the game where you can be effective without "l33t skillz".
There's a reason why certain ships are rarely seen in PVP situations, and it's definately not because they are pwnmobiles.
'Get some skills' coming from a 6 month old player. Destroyers and BC's were like this. Dont use them until you have very good fitting, damage and tanking skills before you touch them.
But not so much with destroyers, they were too fragile and TBH any competent frigate pilot could still give you a run for your money in a dessy.
It needed that HP boost badly.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.28 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tovarishch Edited by: Tovarishch on 28/11/2006 00:04:31
Originally by: Thor Xian Destroyers and BCs were already viable in PvP...if you don't suck.
And a one month old character who spams the forums would know this... how?
Tons of personal experience and detailed descriptions of how they used it effectively?
I do think BCs have been viable already though, but yeah, they'll be alot sweeter now, and the Drake... <3
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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darkmancer
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Posted - 2006.11.28 01:13:00 -
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Destoyers needed the hp increase badly. Even with the large increase they'll still be fragile.
Bc's have a reptation (not whole undeserved) of having the agility of a battleship, and the firepower of a cruiser. Too slow for raiding parties, too vunerable to bs weps for fleet combat. Even with the changes i'm not sure they fit fully in either world. However thats not to say they're not leathal.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.29 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tovarishch Edited by: Tovarishch on 28/11/2006 00:04:31
Originally by: Thor Xian Destroyers and BCs were already viable in PvP...if you don't suck.
And a one month old character who spams the forums would know this... how?
There is always someone who tries this with me.
When you joined FEZ, I had been playing 12 days. If you want a detailed history report on who I am and have been, I'll be happy to oblige, provided you do it without be an ass.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"Victory is the weakness of the enemy."
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.29 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tovarishch Edited by: Tovarishch on 28/11/2006 00:04:31
Originally by: Thor Xian Destroyers and BCs were already viable in PvP...if you don't suck.
And a one month old character who spams the forums would know this... how?
There is always someone who tries this with me.
When you joined FEZ, I had been playing 12 days. If you want a detailed history report on who I am and have been, I'll be happy to oblige, provided you do it without be an ass.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"Victory is the weakness of the enemy."
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.29 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tovarishch Edited by: Tovarishch on 28/11/2006 00:04:31
Originally by: Thor Xian Destroyers and BCs were already viable in PvP...if you don't suck.
And a one month old character who spams the forums would know this... how?
There is always someone who tries this with me.
When you joined FEZ, I had been playing 12 days. If you want a detailed history report on who I am and have been, I'll be happy to oblige, provided you do it without be an ass.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"Victory is the weakness of the enemy."
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.29 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tovarishch Edited by: Tovarishch on 28/11/2006 00:04:31
Originally by: Thor Xian Destroyers and BCs were already viable in PvP...if you don't suck.
And a one month old character who spams the forums would know this... how?
There is always someone who tries this with me.
When you joined FEZ, I had been playing 12 days. If you want a detailed history report on who I am and have been, I'll be happy to oblige, provided you do it without be an ass.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"Victory is the weakness of the enemy."
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.29 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tovarishch Edited by: Tovarishch on 28/11/2006 00:04:31
Originally by: Thor Xian Destroyers and BCs were already viable in PvP...if you don't suck.
And a one month old character who spams the forums would know this... how?
There is always someone who tries this with me.
When you joined FEZ, I had been playing 12 days. If you want a detailed history report on who I am and have been, I'll be happy to oblige, provided you do it without be an ass.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"Victory is the weakness of the enemy."
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Unfamed II
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.29 04:21:00 -
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Destroyers are very good if you use them in anti-frig role. :)
Just before patch day had 3 hostiles jumping in, decided to check the gate and one malediction uncloaked, 2 volleys and hes dead, warped off before the other ships locked me. Seriously, it's not that great being an amarr, is it?
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Unfamed II
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.29 04:21:00 -
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Destroyers are very good if you use them in anti-frig role. :)
Just before patch day had 3 hostiles jumping in, decided to check the gate and one malediction uncloaked, 2 volleys and hes dead, warped off before the other ships locked me. Seriously, it's not that great being an amarr, is it?
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Unfamed II
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.29 04:21:00 -
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Destroyers are very good if you use them in anti-frig role. :)
Just before patch day had 3 hostiles jumping in, decided to check the gate and one malediction uncloaked, 2 volleys and hes dead, warped off before the other ships locked me. Seriously, it's not that great being an amarr, is it?
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Unfamed II
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.29 04:21:00 -
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Destroyers are very good if you use them in anti-frig role. :)
Just before patch day had 3 hostiles jumping in, decided to check the gate and one malediction uncloaked, 2 volleys and hes dead, warped off before the other ships locked me. Seriously, it's not that great being an amarr, is it?
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Gierling
Gallente Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 04:46:00 -
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Destroyers with passive tank/low tier weapons is the way to go, portable damage.
Catalyst with 75mm II rails 400 mm plate, damage control etc. Good DPS good range, Good tracking even with SPike etc etc.
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Gierling
Gallente Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 04:46:00 -
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Destroyers with passive tank/low tier weapons is the way to go, portable damage.
Catalyst with 75mm II rails 400 mm plate, damage control etc. Good DPS good range, Good tracking even with SPike etc etc.
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Gierling
Gallente Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 04:46:00 -
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Destroyers with passive tank/low tier weapons is the way to go, portable damage.
Catalyst with 75mm II rails 400 mm plate, damage control etc. Good DPS good range, Good tracking even with SPike etc etc.
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Arthur DaKine
Gallente 808 Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.11.29 05:25:00 -
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afaik the BCs were already PvP viable, its just that a lot of people I saw didnt know how to use them for it. _ _ CEO 808 Enterprises Freighter Service Available |
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