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Evelyn Exe
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 29/11/2006 14:28:41
Originally by: Evelyn Exe
Originally by: DB Preacher Sort out your alliance and start trying in this war or you may as well pack up and go back to empire and play the game on easy mode.
Funy because I would have thought that joining the most powerful and organised alliance in the game where everyone has over 25m SP, is a decent fighter and a dedicated player was playing the game on easy mode as no-one can give you any kind of real challenge?
Only people who have never been in BoB say that being in BoB is playing on easy mode.
Playing on easy mode is sitting logging in a couple of times a week to check your skills, the market, do a little bit of npcing and mining and generally taking it easy.
We don't take things easy, we play this game to win.
You can't do that by taking things easy.
BoB did not suddenly spring up into what it is today, it took alot of hard work.
We will only continue to be number 1 if that hard work continues.
Like I said in the op, ASCN needs to look at itself, each and every member and decide if they want to stand up and do what it takes to beat us.
For those that started bob i bet it was a real challenge, but for all the newcomers it is playing on easy/i-win mode.
Log in, follow orders, score loads of kills against less well equipped/organised opponents, log out - what is hard about that?
When was the last time BoB felt any fear of defeat or a real challenge? Not in the last couple of years I bet.
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killerco
Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo (and ASCN I think hasn't killed one BoB cap ship to date in this war if I recall correctly)
Yes we have killed some cap ships
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:13:00 -
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I heard Phobos was a quaker.
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Crucifier
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:13:00 -
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Hmm, I agree completely that skillpoints have really little to do with pvp in eve.
And evelyn I believe i was the one that came up with joining bob is playing eve on easy mode . It wasn't easy to build bob, but ppl who join bob now are ppl who are looking for easy life with cheap hacs and not having to do anything. A more fitting word would be WANNABES, i respect the old members but ppl who join and think they become good just by joining bob are ghay.
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BOldMan
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: BOldMan on 29/11/2006 15:33:47
Originally by: Evelyn Exe ...everyone has over 25m SP, is a decent fighter and a dedicated player was playing the game on easy mode ...
Do you know how hard is to have over 30m Sp, be a decent fighter and be dedicated?
or to have over 30m, be a dedicate fighter and be decent?
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Farham
Gallente AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:35:00 -
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Quote: Hmm, I agree completely that skillpoints have really little to do with pvp in eve.
No offense but that is a load of crap.
If you have a 45 man fleet (hell make it 60) whose average SP is 10 mill or under going up against a 30 man group whose average SP is 15-20+ mill those SPs make a huge difference.
The undersized but highly skilled point characters could be a fully fitted HAC/Command Ship/Tech 2 BS gang because their skill points allow them access. The larger but under skilled gang has little choice in how it fits out against such ships. Tech 1 cruisers, tech 1 under fitted BSs etc..etc.
The smaller gang could shred the larger to pieces and could do it without using much in the way of tactics at all. Just toe to toe nearly insta poping the lesser skill pointed opponents.
Skill Points don't make FCs better and yes tactics plus game mechanics understanding is important to EvE PVP but Skill Points have a significant impact on EvE PVP.
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Crucifier
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Farham
Quote: Hmm, I agree completely that skillpoints have really little to do with pvp in eve.
No offense but that is a load of crap.
If you have a 45 man fleet (hell make it 60) whose average SP is 10 mill or under going up against a 30 man group whose average SP is 15-20+ mill those SPs make a huge difference.
The undersized but highly skilled point characters could be a fully fitted HAC/Command Ship/Tech 2 BS gang because their skill points allow them access. The larger but under skilled gang has little choice in how it fits out against such ships. Tech 1 cruisers, tech 1 under fitted BSs etc..etc.
The smaller gang could shred the larger to pieces and could do it without using much in the way of tactics at all. Just toe to toe nearly insta poping the lesser skill pointed opponents.
Skill Points don't make FCs better and yes tactics plus game mechanics understanding is important to EvE PVP but Skill Points have a significant impact on EvE PVP.
Do you think 60vs60 is the most common pvp in eve?
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Farham
Gallente AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:48:00 -
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Quote: Do you think 60vs60 is the most common pvp in eve?
In terms of this thread and it having to do with BOB and ASCN? Not most common but very common, yes.
Crucifier, how often do you skip the Vaga and go for a tech 1 fitted Stabber or Rupture to do your ganking?
I mean, since skill points don't matter, wouldn't you be just as successful in a tech 1 cruiser fighting in the same low tech ships and fittings many of your under skill point opponents engage you in?
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Kathar Narka
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Evelyn Exe
When was the last time BoB felt any fear of defeat or a real challenge? Not in the last couple of years I bet.
...and you could be right there, Evelyn.
But think about that for a moment. Challenge means something different to each team/alliance. The fact that you see us as an alliance not experiencing a lot of challenge or fear may be due to the level you see us currently operating at. Not b/c of who we fight. Challenge is a relative term.
There are many alliances ingame that would seriously tremble if ASCN rolled into their territory complete with fleet, dreads, Titan & all, as ASCN is capable of. To them, ASCN would be a major challenge, and by all means something to worry about.
BoB happens to be in a position to welcome & withstand such warfare & gameplay. It doesn't really mean we have a 'weak schedule' so-to-speak. ASCN is/was (whatever, no flame) very large, wealthy, and powerful. But we've got their number.
If we went & steamrolled all the 'little guys' for a living; you'd have more of a point I think. Instead, as it's been said, we've chosen the largest, and we're "going for the throat".
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Crucifier
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Farham
Quote: Do you think 60vs60 is the most common pvp in eve?
In terms of this thread and it having to do with BOB and ASCN? Not most common but very common, yes.
Crucifier, how often do you skip the Vaga and go for a tech 1 fitted Stabber or Rupture to do your ganking?
I mean, since skill points don't matter, wouldn't you be just as successful in a tech 1 cruiser fighting in the same low tech ships and fittings many of your under skill point opponents engage you in?
Skillpoints don't matter, ships do, and you do not need alot of skillpoints to be a good vagabond pilot if you specialize.
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Drusus Rensus
Gallente Four Rings Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:58:00 -
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Funny, but it looked to me like they all but tossed up the white flag a week or so ago. If they've decided that they can't beat you given the current state of the game, for whatever reason, the worst thing that they could probably do to you would be not to fight.
Phobos might not be your friend in the long run, DB. Lets assume you're right. You have beaten them into submission and they have no more will to fight, and you end up with all of their space in another few weeks. What then? Congratulations, you how have the fun job of administrating/defending twice the space you used to.
Others are watching this, mostly because you've made sure of it. What happens when phobos spreads beyond ASCN, and you can't get a fight anymore at all? Is there a future where BoB claims all or most of the space in the game? Won't that be fun. The carebears will be out there happily carebearing away. Your vassel alliances will be fat and happy in their little dutchies. What will be left of the game for you? Will you become Concorde 2.0, with only Burn Eden et al left to fight?
The interesting thing about an open-ended game like this is that there really isn't any way to "win". You might succeed at some aspect of it (like claming more and more sovereignty), but just when you think you've won, you realize that your "success" in the game turned it into a different game, and quite possibly a game that you don't even want to play anymore.
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laotse
Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:08:00 -
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Omatje
Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:08:00 -
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Wasn't it Thol's turn to post something?
Might As well Train Another Race
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill Astrophobics
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Omatje Wasn't it Thol's turn to post something?
He's too busy delegating troops to supress the TAOSP rebellion in the ice fields
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:27:00 -
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Leave it to Sel to have my sig's Decepticon being nuked by his sig's Decepticon
Clearly BoB have given up, as they have offered us 50 isk to defend Delve from the ravening hordes of CYVOK's faithful.
I wanted an epic war, and what I get is Blitzkrieg vs. the Russians without Stalingrad and with no consequential weakness of supply lines....yay.
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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Tiwaz
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:31:00 -
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here is what i want a answer to..
fug said, that at a bob meet, you guys ran around naked in a forest, somewhere in belgium.
say it aint so
tiw
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Coupo
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tiwaz here is what i want a answer to..
fug said, that at a bob meet, you guys ran around naked in a forest, somewhere in belgium.
say it aint so
tiw
BoB is a death cult, Molle takes us out into the woods, and makes us do dances naked and stuff. Then we commit suicide, and Molle bathes in our blood to absorb our skill.
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BlackDog Rackh'am
Minmatar Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:47:00 -
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Phobos in mythology is all well and good, but in EvE terms it's not entirely intimidating to say that someone is the son of Ares
On a serious note, it's nice to see this thread rolling decently thus far, without the usual high noise to signal ratio. Cheers to BoB and ASCN for keeping the rest of us entertained at work
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Evelyn Exe
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kathar Narka reply
Thanks for the excellent reply Kathar, very well put.
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Takahashi Arran
coracao ardente Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:04:00 -
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I hesitate to reply because i know you live for 7page threads..still DBP, let me help you understand how to make this game a better place. When you win, you say GF, you don't smack When you lose, you say GF, you don't smack you don't tell them how to play because that's their business not yours. (unless their cheating in which case you petition them.) if you gank them easily, well then maybe you should have chosen a different target for a fight. Personally, I play the game to blow stuff up, according to your alliance you play the game to win.. in neither of these cases would a post like yours be designed to do anything except **** people off, with the release of Kali i would have expected some maturity and dignity from senior pilots given the influx of new players that will doubtless follow, personally the posts by you and cyvok (although he at least has realised that no good comes from these threads) over the course of this war have given me a thoughly negative view of both of your alliances and I would never consider joining either, I'm sure many more people have found the same thing. I don't expect an apology, i expect a smacky arrogant reply (if any) complete with the obligatory 3 DPB's to show everyone your a somebody. But, hey what does my opinion count for i'm only a right?
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:17:00 -
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Right.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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End Yourself
Core Domination
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Takahashi Arran I hesitate to reply because i know you live for 7page threads..still DBP, let me help you understand how to make this game a better place. When you win, you say GF, you don't smack When you lose, you say GF, you don't smack you don't tell them how to play because that's their business not yours. (unless their cheating in which case you petition them.) if you gank them easily, well then maybe you should have chosen a different target for a fight. Personally, I play the game to blow stuff up, according to your alliance you play the game to win.. in neither of these cases would a post like yours be designed to do anything except **** people off, with the release of Kali i would have expected some maturity and dignity from senior pilots given the influx of new players that will doubtless follow, personally the posts by you and cyvok (although he at least has realised that no good comes from these threads) over the course of this war have given me a thoughly negative view of both of your alliances and I would never consider joining either, I'm sure many more people have found the same thing. I don't expect an apology, i expect a smacky arrogant reply (if any) complete with the obligatory 3 DPB's to show everyone your a somebody. But, hey what does my opinion count for i'm only a right?
1st Your enter key is fubared. 2nd When is SKV going to kick BoB's ass and take that space the "bullies" didn't let you live in?
--- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
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Therem Harth
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Max Teranous
Originally by: Szass Tam
Originally by: DB Preacher Reikoku took time to lay down another outpost in the F-TE1T solarsystem.
Congrats on the Outpost RKK :) (Made to build the loot whoring ships i hope ?)
How are RKK coping with the loss of a mid slot on all their ships? After all that Salvager I mod has got to go somewhere....
I don't really want to rain on your parade Max, but Salvager I is a high-slot mod :)
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Audrea on 29/11/2006 18:02:56
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Kcel Chim
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: konkord
Originally by: Evelyn Exe
Originally by: Kathar Narka reply
Thanks for the excellent reply Kathar, very well put.
Is it a good reply? Well written yes but i wonder why ASCN was chosen as a target (an alliance not known for its combat backbone) over say 2 more capable, smaller target such as MC and someone else.
Why? because ASCN were ripe targets. Big enough not to get grief over 'bullying' and with a combatative/industrial pilot ratio that was sympathetic to an easy fight. I would have done the same, BoB, but dont think we were the only possible target.
Thats why Ascn lost all its credibility. Youre whining you get attacked by a small pvp alliance and portray yourself as some poor industrial guy who just wants to dig the rocks.
Ascn was choosen because youre a) the biggest alliance memberwise in the game b) one of the supposed to be "titans" of eve c) throw your polticial weight around like a superpower d) act like a superpower when it comes to dealing with neighbours and "lesser beeings" (Cyvok still hasnt learned from the Xetic days it seems) and e) build outposts and titans and capital ships and gloat about it and your general wealthyness in public f) because your pvp is sooo weak (sarcasm) that youre constantly warring other neighbours (RA) or go on roadtrips North if youre bored or claim that you pulled the major weight in EC against trust...
Take all those points together and think again about the poor miner bloke who is just in an industrial alliance.... Doesnt match ? Thought so.
Cyvok gets schooled a second time in the same lesson he failed with Xetic at. If you dont have the muscles dont run your mouth / attract a beating.
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Montaire
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:17:00 -
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This whole fight I cant get the idea of a gang of seniors in high school beating the snot out of the Chess team.
ASCN was an industrial alliance. They had 80% of their member base as 0.0 industrialists, and 20% as (somewhat swaggering) PVP'ers. They built some of the most amazing marvels of this game. The regions under their care are arguable the most developed 0.0 regions in the game. But the PVP'ers got a bit of a big head because they were the "Alpha" wolves of their alliance. They were (or so they thought) wolves among sheep.
Well in rolls BoB. Its the other way around, 80% hardcore PVP and 20% industry. Sure, that 20% is VERY good, no doubts there. They get ****ed at ASCN's swagger and go knock them down a few pegs. Well they've accomplished it - Paragon Soul is theirs and it looks as if meangingfull resistance has stopped.
Well no s--t sherlock BoB is winning. Its like the varsity wrestlers vs the chess team. Thats what we call "easy mode"
(My views, not that of my alliance, corp or friends)
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Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Montaire This whole fight I cant get the idea of a gang of seniors in high school beating the snot out of the Chess team.
ASCN was an industrial alliance. They had 80% of their member base as 0.0 industrialists, and 20% as (somewhat swaggering) PVP'ers. They built some of the most amazing marvels of this game. The regions under their care are arguable the most developed 0.0 regions in the game. But the PVP'ers got a bit of a big head because they were the "Alpha" wolves of their alliance. They were (or so they thought) wolves among sheep.
Well in rolls BoB. Its the other way around, 80% hardcore PVP and 20% industry. Sure, that 20% is VERY good, no doubts there. They get ****ed at ASCN's swagger and go knock them down a few pegs. Well they've accomplished it - Paragon Soul is theirs and it looks as if meangingfull resistance has stopped.
Well no s--t sherlock BoB is winning. Its like the varsity wrestlers vs the chess team. Thats what we call "easy mode"
(My views, not that of my alliance, corp or friends)
This is valid as long as you add in one other component:
The chess team started bullying the book club, the bible club, and went to other schools to bully their chess team. Then they constantly bragged about how good they were at chess and bullying. The wrestling team got wind of this and said "orly??" and decided to lay down the smack.
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Montaire
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: Montaire on 29/11/2006 19:38:04
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic
This is valid as long as you add in one other component:
The chess team started bullying the book club, the bible club, and went to other schools to bully their chess team. Then they constantly bragged about how good they were at chess and bullying. The wrestling team got wind of this and said "orly??" and decided to lay down the smack.
I agree. As I said, that 20% had some arrogance and spread it around.
However, that doesnt negate the base sentiment.
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Velt Lhasar
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:51:00 -
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I guess its nice to have enough time on your hands to research greek mythology and find what what Mars' moons are called. Maybe dbp's life ambition was to be the guy doing the narration on the discovery channel
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Velt Lhasar I guess its nice to have enough time on your hands to research greek mythology and find what what Mars' moons are called. Maybe dbp's life ambition was to be the guy doing the narration on the discovery channel
Heh anyone who played Doom should know without any research
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