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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2015.07.13 08:21:58 -
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Blops are the least used ship class in the game. They need some seroius help. The problem is no one can agree as to what that change should be.
Just trying to make theyre bridging ability better is a cop out. Might as well make a deployabe and be done with it. It would be as bad as the brdging titans (never used except to coast out of a pos shield, and then coast back in).
Everything else is tricky, you cant just buff stats or fit better cloaks without taking away from other ships... Blops need to be given a direction and make that solid. The closest comparrison to the blops as a class is the marauder (T2 BS) look how powerful they are as a ship and that is what i expect from black ops. Obviously not as powerful in straight combat potential, but with bonuses and stats to warrent their existance as a battleship.
Personally... i would either seperate the bridging ability or integrate it into the ship to not effect its fitting, give them cov-ops cloak, T2 resists, and bring in line with theyre T1 conterparts... Then keep them in line with mods.... long reactivation delays on the cloaks, poor(ish) tracking stats, tight fitting...
Like i said as it stands theres no "right" answer at the moment apart from the need to do something.
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2015.07.13 10:53:00 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:blops is for ganking, you pick a target you know you can kill. No need for increased combat stats otherwise they just become T2 battleships and would see regular use which is not the point of them. Exactly.
... well what is the point... so theyre ships that are hardly ever used, and then only when your sure its a fight you know your going to win (and likely crushingly so as no one wants to lose a ship). Might as well just remove them from the game.
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2015.07.13 11:02:30 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:the point is you drop on top of some unsuspecting ratter and take all his stuff and then disappear.
Easier to just jump other ships. Theres a reason black ops arent used, too much effort for little gain.
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2015.07.13 12:22:03 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Aralieus wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:First one to mention covops cloaks gets a bollocking.
They just need some stat changes tbh. And what changes are you thinking? they dont need changed they are fine, they dont need cov ops cloaks and dont need dscan immunity
They arent used. Least used ships in the game bar unique ships.
The only time they are used is to bridge other cov-ops, OR even more rarely to gank a target when theres no risk to themselfs.
.... they need to be changed.
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2015.07.13 12:54:49 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:https://zkillboard.com/character/622971326/
no they are never used
ever
I stand by what i said... im sure i could find a Freki being used if i look hard enough. Compared to all the othe ships in the game the black ops class is the least used. This is well know and accounted (also they have the highest kdr... because they only ever fight when they want to). Pointing out the few snowflakes that like to use them doesnt change this.
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2015.07.13 13:13:25 -
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Ha have you compared them to other ship uses?
The killboard is "filled" with the occational fleet and random smartbombing sins. Marauders have almost the same number of kills and they were'nt in fleets... and at least theyre used in pve.
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2015.07.13 13:33:09 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Well, they are not powerful as ships, they maybe are as bridges. The point of the discussion is to make them worth using as ships on grid rather than some mobile structure. I'm afraid that if I look at that page more closely, I'll discover that most often than not they are whoring on KM created by fuel bay worth of bombers. Hardly something to write home about. they are not powerful? are you being serious? dropping onto any target instantly at range with over 800dps is not powerful?
your point?
[Hound, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Faint Warp Disruptor I
Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [empty high slot]
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II
900dps and a helv a lot cheeper.
Context is important
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2015.07.13 14:11:51 -
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Lan Wang wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Well, they are not powerful as ships, they maybe are as bridges. The point of the discussion is to make them worth using as ships on grid rather than some mobile structure. I'm afraid that if I look at that page more closely, I'll discover that most often than not they are whoring on KM created by fuel bay worth of bombers. Hardly something to write home about. they are not powerful? are you being serious? dropping onto any target instantly at range with over 800dps is not powerful? your point? [Hound, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Faint Warp Disruptor I Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [empty high slot] Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II 900dps and a helv a lot cheeper. Context is important that hound will die before a panther
In a drop when every other stealth bomber has damps... i think not lol... again context
The reason why your blop doesnt die is the same reason the stealth bomber wont
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ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
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Posted - 2015.07.13 14:48:25 -
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show me a solo blop mail...? (that isnt smart bombing on a gate)
Oh and wouldnt be done better with a T1 hull...
and when on earth did i say that fit was for solo work lol
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2015.07.13 15:03:35 -
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so of the 6...
one was a cyno
2 were'nt even solo
and 1 was a suicidal hero taclle
i clap for finding two (il give you an extra half for the hero tackle) ... that i can only put down to the stupidity of the pilots.... and would of been done better with a T1 hull
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2015.07.13 15:29:28 -
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Lan Wang wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:so of the 6... one was a cyno 2 were'nt even solo and 1 was a suicidal hero taclle i clap for finding two (il give you an extra half for the hero tackle) ... that i can only put down to the stupidity of the pilots.... and would of been done better with a T1 hull if you actually took time to look at the link i first posted instead assuming they were all km whoring bomber fleets you would see they are not. now lets see your polarized 900dps solo bombers killmails
I did... smartbombing, pos bashes, and the gank fleets... not really surprised...
As if my bomber is used for solo lol... i might as well ask to see your fleet fit blop go solo
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2015.07.13 15:44:18 -
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Lan Wang wrote:i would quite happily fly my fleet fit blops solo because the fit has everything a solo blops would have, you have been told they are gank ships anyway hense the name "black ops".
but that is the point my blops can be used in a fleet and solo, your bomber will just die horribly to anything it engages. so a blops is not useless.
anyway no point arguing as this is going nowhere, you stick to bombers, im quite happy with my panther
Pfft you joking i use the right tool for the job... i have my panther too for fleet work. Or that bomber if we have enough blops. Il also use more effective ships that dont cost a bil to roam around in. (or at least more effective ships that do)
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2015.07.16 21:50:49 -
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They get SRP'd because they so rarely lose one lol
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