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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.07.15 09:53:58 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Fornost Fornostsen wrote:Why fly an AF, when you have a T3D that costs a little more... ...unless you whelp it. Then it's cheaper. Only need N+1 more than the others who are also all flying T3Ds
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.15 13:05:14 -
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Better for CCP to just refund everyones SP that trained for them, apologize and remove them from the game. That will kill 2 birds with one stone instead of having to rebalance AFs to the point where they'll be able to solo everything. |
Fornost Fornostsen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.15 14:53:15 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Fornost Fornostsen wrote:Why fly an AF, when you have a T3D that costs a little more... ...unless you whelp it. Then it's cheaper.
Yes but... How much cheaper?
I quote you from another post:
Barrogh Habalu wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:Except, there's also insurance fee... Of course. So in the end it's about what 10-12 m per hull? Almost 2 times cheaper than AFs.
Even without taking into account the insurance thing, a fitted AF is going to cost something around 30/35M, while a T3D can be in the range of 60/70M.
Yes, is the double, but it's still only 30/40M of difference for a ship that is a lot better.
If you look at the small ship meta, there is no such difference between T1 frigs, destros and their tech 2 variants. With T3D you can have a ship that floats like a ceptor and stings like a destroyer |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
312
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Posted - 2015.07.15 15:45:20 -
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Fornost Fornostsen wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Fornost Fornostsen wrote:Why fly an AF, when you have a T3D that costs a little more... ...unless you whelp it. Then it's cheaper. Yes but... How much cheaper? I quote you from another post: Barrogh Habalu wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:Except, there's also insurance fee... Of course. So in the end it's about what 10-12 m per hull? Almost 2 times cheaper than AFs. Even without taking into account the insurance thing, a fitted AF is going to cost something around 30/35M, while a T3D can be in the range of 60/70M. Yes, is the double, but it's still only 30/40M of difference for a ship that is a lot better. If you look at the small ship meta, there is no such difference between T1 frigs, destros and their tech 2 variants. With T3D you can have a ship that floats like a ceptor and stings like a destroyer Lol dude the ENTIRE POINT is that you take insurance into account lol.
Platinum AssFrig insurance gives you 6mill back Platinum T3D gives 35mill back.
You cant compare prices like you are doing while ignoring the giant imbalancw of said prices lol. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
312
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Posted - 2015.07.15 15:48:50 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Fornost Fornostsen wrote:Why fly an AF, when you have a T3D that costs a little more... Yes but... How much cheaper? I quote you from another post: Barrogh Habalu wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:Except, there's also insurance fee... Of course. So in the end it's about what 10-12 m per hull? Almost 2 times cheaper than AFs. Even without taking into account the insurance thing, a fitted AF is going to cost something around 30/35M, while a T3D can be in the range of 60/70M. Yes, is the double, but it's still only 30/40M of difference for a ship that is a lot better. If you look at the small ship meta, there is no such difference between T1 frigs, destros and their tech 2 variants. With T3D you can have a ship that floats like a ceptor and stings like a destroyer Lol dude the ENTIRE POINT is that you take insurance into account lol. Platinum AssFrig insurance gives you 6mill back Platinum T3D gives 35mill back. You cant compare prices like you are doing while ignoring the giant imbalancw of said prices lol. And your 30/40 mill price difference almost goes to zero with insurance factored in.... For a ship better in every way.
Lol Seriously how did you learn to assert your opinions? Youd make a terrible politions. ..
"Now guys i know the issue is the several cost imbalance due to drastic different insurance payout... yet if we just ignore said drastic insurance payouts for a monent you can see...."
LOL |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
312
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Posted - 2015.07.15 15:57:36 -
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Lol 37mill svipul 9mill insurance 35mill payout =12mill hull 22mill ishkur 2mill insurance 6mill payout =18mill hull
Can both be fit t2 or bling accordingly
Explain how inferior AssFrig costs 1/3 extra when it sucks in every way compared to cheaper T3D
Lol guys are you blind or ignorant or just bad at math? |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2762
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Posted - 2015.07.15 16:04:54 -
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I'm glad there are now destroyers that are actually capable of performing their alleged role effectively. T1 and T2 destroyers are and always have been absolute trash, cruisers outperform them as anti-frigate platforms in almost every way and are much more survivable.
All the whine seems to amount to "oh no, the anti-frigate hull class is actually capable of killing frigates! Hurr power creep, durr muh faction war complex balance!" |
Nalia White
Tencus
122
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Posted - 2015.07.15 16:10:59 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I'm glad there are now destroyers that are actually capable of performing their alleged role effectively. T1 and T2 destroyers are and always have been absolute trash, cruisers outperform them as anti-frigate platforms in almost every way and are much more survivable.
All the whine seems to amount to "oh no, the anti-frigate hull class is actually capable of killing frigates! Hurr power creep, durr muh faction war complex balance!"
this. t1 destroyers were always a joke with their none existing fitting space (even t1 frigates can put in more low/med slots) and are slower than even some cruisers.
i agree though that the insurance for these ships should not be that high. i am against insurance all together anyway... what's the point really? an unnecessary isk faucet. |
Cellini Benvenuto
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2015.07.15 16:13:50 -
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Neuntausend wrote:T3 Cruisers are definitely somewhat powercreepy (this is a word now), but T3 Destroyers seem to be in a pretty good place. People love to fly them, since they are fast, versatile and reasonably affordable, but they are not overpowered by any means. Looking at the Killboards, they are flown a lot, but they die a lot too. They are weak to Neuts, Scrams and Webs and can be killed even by cheaper and better insured T1 Cruisers, provided the appropriate Rock-Paper-Scissors constellation of fittings.
As someone who's having fun flying the confessor: I quite agree, they are amazingly fun ships to fly. I can imagine they will get nerfed one day or another, but personally, I think they should be a template for all cruiser and below sized hulls. Eve becomes so much more interesting when the ship you are flying is actually a lot of fun instead of a lot of chore.
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Fornost Fornostsen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:36:06 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:You cant compare prices like you are doing while ignoring the giant imbalancw of said prices lol. And your 30/40 mill price difference almost goes to zero with insurance factored in.... For a ship better in every way.
Lol Seriously how did you learn to assert your opinions? Youd make a terrible politions. .. [/quote]
Fornost Fornostsen wrote:Yes, is the double, but it's still only 30/40M of difference for a ship that is a lot better.
With T3D you can have a ship that floats like a ceptor and stings like a destroyer
Well... I said that even if you don't take into account the insurance that difference is trivial... Obviously it means that if you take into account insurance it's even worse...
I try to make it simple: T3Ds are OP, they make AFs pointless and there isn't any serious difference in price to justify that.
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Delightful Delicacy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:39:01 -
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Here's two broader solutions to the situation. Firstly, fix T2 pricing/insurance, because presently insurance is virtually useless for T2 but still useful for T3 destroyers. Secondly, perhaps it's time that larger weapons got an increase in chance to hit smaller targets, so cruisers have an easier time against T3 destroyers. This will also help buff battleships a little, which presently, get owned by anything smaller in many cases. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3823
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:40:07 -
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Delightful Delicacy wrote:This will also help buff battleships a little, which presently, get owned by anything smaller in many cases. I don't think PvE boats count.
Oh god.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
314
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:35:11 -
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Fornost Fornostsen wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:You cant compare prices like you are doing while ignoring the giant imbalancw of said prices lol. And your 30/40 mill price difference almost goes to zero with insurance factored in.... For a ship better in every way. Lol Seriously how did you learn to assert your opinions? Youd make a terrible politions. ..
Fornost Fornostsen wrote:Yes, is the double, but it's still only 30/40M of difference for a ship that is a lot better.
With T3D you can have a ship that floats like a ceptor and stings like a destroyer
Well... I said that even if you don't take into account the insurance that difference is trivial... Obviously it means that if you take into account insurance it's even worse...
I try to make it simple: T3Ds are OP, they make AFs pointless and there isn't any serious difference in price to justify that. [/quote] Ohhhh
Then i agree with you |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1967
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Posted - 2015.07.16 11:01:11 -
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From a development stand point, in order to have less to juggle, maybe they should just remove frigates and focus on balancing T3Ds to ... I can't keep a straight face, sorry.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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