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Minister of Death
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:35:01 -
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I finally tried Jackdaw. Fun.
Props to whoever came up with the general T3D idea. For pve at least, the idea is fun and the implementation is effective for the idea. The reconfiguration on mode change is really cool. The affects of the different modes are fun. The icons for mode change are easily understandable and good cooldown feedback.
The mode reconfiguration is my favorite my part.
Whoever @CCP is thinking like this, keep doing it. Fun is a good thing, stuff that makes one say 'wow, cool' is good for the game.
Also whoever thought of the wing config change for Cerberus on warp enter/exit... cool touch. Do more stuff.
ya. keep doing that. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:47:40 -
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I think Tech 3 could be about utility rather than adding power creep.
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Hengle Teron
Explosions Delivered with Love
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:57:39 -
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tl;dr OP is fun |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:59:24 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I think Tech 3 could be about utility rather than adding power creep. qft
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Minister of Death
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2015.07.14 00:10:15 -
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I just think it's really cool.
It's fun warping into a pocket in defensive mode, pulse the mwd, deploy sharpshooter parachute look and lob LMs 100km, then fold it up into a corvette and cruise into the stars. i'm gonna try a rocket setup soon, i think i must.
the person who came up with this @CCP needs to in charge of ships or something. |
Captain Grantkarppe
No Laws Apply
17
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Posted - 2015.07.14 00:34:05 -
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I just don't like how common they've become. The diversity of ships seen on grid, especially in small-scale PvP has dwindled as a result of the introduction of T3 destroyers. |
V1P3RR
Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2015.07.14 01:21:33 -
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Captain Grantkarppe wrote:I just don't like how common they've become. The diversity of ships seen on grid, especially in small-scale PvP has dwindled as a result of the introduction of T3 destroyers.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
296
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Posted - 2015.07.14 01:22:12 -
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Captain Grantkarppe wrote:I just don't like how common they've become. The diversity of ships seen on grid, especially in small-scale PvP has dwindled as a result of the introduction of T3 destroyers. Because after insurance the hulls cost under 12mill. Take less time and SP to get into one and train than T2 frigs and dictors. Are amazingly awesome unless like double weebed and neuted but most things are. They are basically broken the frig meta. Why fly a 20mill AssFrig when you can just PWNface in a T3D? Why fly most things when a T3D is so awesome? There is little reason to fly much else plus somehow they can enter fw small plexes. They can fit crazy tanks to bait at hubs. They can go stupid fast to kite in null. They can instawarp with mode switch trick. Soooo many fitting options. Small sigs. Can fit oversized prop mods easy.
Etc etc
Did i say they cost less than 12mill after insurance? |
Minister of Death
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2015.07.14 01:25:22 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: They can instawarp with mode switch trick.
wait, what? I must know this sexy secret.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
298
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Posted - 2015.07.14 01:30:31 -
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Minister of Death wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: They can instawarp with mode switch trick. wait, what? I must know this sexy secret. Be in prop mode jump gate. Warp to and click defensive mode. It nerfs your max speed from the 66% bonus in prop mode. Insta warp
They can also be fit to instalock. Lol i must be forgeting so many things they can do cuz they can do them all amazingly.
Remember when T3s were supposed to be jack of all trades expert at none. Yeah T3s and T3Ds are able to be better than specilized ships at basically everything still |
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Minister of Death
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2015.07.14 01:35:16 -
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omg ya that works... FUN. imbalanced ok but you cannot deny that is fun as sh*t.
thanks :) |
Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
917
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Posted - 2015.07.14 07:48:27 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Be in prop mode jump gate. Last time I checked when you switch modes you don't break gate cloak. Unlike, you know, the game.
...can I have a coupon of Lloyd's Pitchfork Depot? |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
868
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Posted - 2015.07.14 08:37:39 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Be in prop mode jump gate. Last time I checked when you switch modes you don't break gate cloak. Unlike, you know, the game. ...can I have a coupon of Lloyd's Pitchfork Depot? You have to break the cloak (warp to) to use the trick. Essentially you "web" yourself into warp. Only works without bubbles of course. But beware of doing it with wrong mode switch direction, if you jump into a camp in something else than the prop mode, switch to prop mode and crash the gate with MWD on.
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
917
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Posted - 2015.07.14 08:55:17 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:You have to break the cloak (warp to) to use the trick. Essentially you "web" yourself into warp. Only works without bubbles of course. But beware of doing it with wrong mode switch direction, if you jump into a camp in something else than the prop mode, switch to prop mode and crash the gate with MWD on. My point was that you don't have to go into prop mode before jumping the gate if you don't want to, because, like I said, you are free to switch modes without losing gate cloak. At least this is how it worked last time I checked. Guess we have different data on that? How comes? |
Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
178
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Posted - 2015.07.14 09:52:37 -
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T3 Cruisers are definitely somewhat powercreepy (this is a word now), but T3 Destroyers seem to be in a pretty good place. People love to fly them, since they are fast, versatile and reasonably affordable, but they are not overpowered by any means. Looking at the Killboards, they are flown a lot, but they die a lot too. They are weak to Neuts, Scrams and Webs and can be killed even by cheaper and better insured T1 Cruisers, provided the appropriate Rock-Paper-Scissors constellation of fittings. |
Gren Alderon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.07.14 11:02:32 -
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People say they cost 10m after insurance, and yet the smallest typical loss of a T3D on killboards is for 60m and there are many with 200m fits or more. Of course an expensive fit on one of these is going to be tough to take on you're not fit to go against one. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
869
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Posted - 2015.07.14 11:18:24 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:You have to break the cloak (warp to) to use the trick. Essentially you "web" yourself into warp. Only works without bubbles of course. But beware of doing it with wrong mode switch direction, if you jump into a camp in something else than the prop mode, switch to prop mode and crash the gate with MWD on. My point was that you don't have to go into prop mode before jumping the gate if you don't want to, because, like I said, you are free to switch modes without losing gate cloak. At least this is how it worked last time I checked. Guess we have different data on that? How comes? No, ok, I missed the point. I never tried switching modes before breaking the cloak, so if this works, it is very handy. Will check next time in space.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
38688
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Posted - 2015.07.14 11:33:04 -
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Gren Alderon wrote:People say they cost 10m after insurance, and yet the smallest typical loss of a T3D on killboards is for 60m and there are many with 200m fits or more. Of course an expensive fit on one of these is going to be tough to take on you're not fit to go against one. Insurance never covers modules and how people choose to fit drives up the value of the kill mails.
So when it's mentioned that the ships cost 10 million after insurance, that refers to the hull which is what insurance covers.
It's not currently consistent, but close to 10-12 million after insurance.
Platinum insurance costs 9 milling ISK and returns 30 million on ship loss.
A Svipul is currently 33 million, so a net 21 million back after payout reduces the cost to 12 million.
Confessor is the same price as the Svipul, Jackdaw is slightly higher and the Hecate is currently the most expensive. Both the Jackdaw and Hecate should eventually settle around the same price as the two more established hulls.
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Norrin Ellis
Venture Racing
309
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Posted - 2015.07.14 11:41:47 -
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New shiny is always OP. It's probably already on the board for a nerf in a later release.
...or the next new shiny will make these obsolete.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
304
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Posted - 2015.07.14 12:08:19 -
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Norrin Ellis wrote:New shiny is always OP. It's probably already on the board for a nerf in a later release.
...or the next new shiny will make these obsolete. Currently training Min Tac Des 5. Dude they already did a papercut nerf to svipuls mass/agility thing.
Look at how they nerf now. It takes more than half a year and like 4-5 releases and the thing is still not nerfed enough. They nerf scortch 2% or nerf ishtar speed 2% lol
Takes like 7months of 6week releases when they do it every other time to get anywhwre near nerfed.
And when they finally do significantly nerf it, itll be over a year of OPness
The beauty of the awesome 6week release cycyle..... LMAO |
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Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
410
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Posted - 2015.07.14 14:01:17 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Norrin Ellis wrote:New shiny is always OP. It's probably already on the board for a nerf in a later release.
...or the next new shiny will make these obsolete. Currently training Min Tac Des 5. Dude they already did a papercut nerf to svipuls mass/agility thing. Look at how they nerf now. It takes more than half a year and like 4-5 releases and the thing is still not nerfed enough. They nerf scortch 2% or nerf ishtar speed 2% lol Takes like 7months of 6week releases when they do it every other time to get anywhwre near nerfed. And when they finally do significantly nerf it, itll be over a year of OPness The beauty of the awesome 6week release cycyle..... LMAO Whine more. Id take the minor nerfing over them sledge hammering a ship into uselessness (see drake and HML). But hey, Its CAM, actual critical thinking is not what we expect from you. You delivered the whiny, self-entitled drivel we are all used to.
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Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
144
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Posted - 2015.07.15 05:01:56 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
The beauty of the awesome 6week release cycyle..... LMAO
If something is broken it wont take 6 weeks to fix, you seem to think the expansion release cycle is the same as the standard patch cycle, they could quite easily change this before the next major release |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3822
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Posted - 2015.07.15 05:16:51 -
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Stitch Kaneland wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Norrin Ellis wrote:New shiny is always OP. It's probably already on the board for a nerf in a later release.
...or the next new shiny will make these obsolete. Currently training Min Tac Des 5. Dude they already did a papercut nerf to svipuls mass/agility thing. Look at how they nerf now. It takes more than half a year and like 4-5 releases and the thing is still not nerfed enough. They nerf scortch 2% or nerf ishtar speed 2% lol Takes like 7months of 6week releases when they do it every other time to get anywhwre near nerfed. And when they finally do significantly nerf it, itll be over a year of OPness The beauty of the awesome 6week release cycyle..... LMAO Whine more. Id take the minor nerfing over them sledge hammering a ship into uselessness (see drake and HML). But hey, Its CAM, actual critical thinking is not what we expect from you. You delivered the whiny, self-entitled drivel we are all used to.
CCP still have the mentality of the 6 month cycle. Making minor changes that amount to very little over the course of 6 months rather than just sledge hammering everything and saying, "Let's just see what happens, we can put it back again in 6 weeks".
Oh god.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.07.15 05:26:33 -
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Riot Girl wrote: CCP still have the mentality of the 6 month cycle. Making minor changes that amount to very little over the course of 6 months rather than just sledge hammering everything and saying, "Let's just see what happens, we can put it back again in 6 weeks".
Small tweaks where balance is concerned is actually a good thing, rather than wildly altering it back and forth. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3822
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Posted - 2015.07.15 05:29:38 -
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Arguable.
Oh god.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
11101
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Posted - 2015.07.15 05:36:35 -
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Riot Girl wrote:CCP still have the mentality of the 6 month cycle. Making minor changes that amount to very little over the course of 6 months rather than just sledge hammering everything and saying, "Let's just see what happens, we can put it back again in 6 weeks".
But then that is better left for something that has been in the game for a long time, slow tweaks. T3D's are something that suddenly got thrown into our laps after very little testing and then started twerking. Kinda like a trip to Tijuana and your doctor is looking at you funny on your next office visit. A moment of fun for months or even years of pain and discomfort. I hope it was worth it he says to you lol
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Davis TetrisKing
The Vendunari End of Life
95
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Posted - 2015.07.15 05:41:30 -
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Neuntausend wrote:T3 Cruisers are definitely somewhat powercreepy (this is a word now), but T3 Destroyers seem to be in a pretty good place. People love to fly them, since they are fast, versatile and reasonably affordable, but they are not overpowered by any means. Looking at the Killboards, they are flown a lot, but they die a lot too. They are weak to Neuts, Scrams and Webs and can be killed even by cheaper and better insured T1 Cruisers, provided the appropriate Rock-Paper-Scissors constellation of fittings.
I think most of the complaints are that they bring power creep to the small ship category. It's good that they can be killed by cheaper T1 cruisers IMO, but they dominate the small ship scene. Most of the complaints are that they replace a lot of existing T2 small ships, doing the same or more things better and a bit cheaper. Especially assault frigs.
Don't get me wrong, I love T3Ds, but I can understand the complaints. |
Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
6
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Posted - 2015.07.15 06:28:08 -
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Captain Grantkarppe wrote:I just don't like how common they've become. The diversity of ships seen on grid, especially in small-scale PvP has dwindled as a result of the introduction of T3 destroyers.
It took CCP many many years to finally curb the BC dominance in order to get a more diverse playing field and then they **** it all up again with the introduction of lol overpowered T3D. Not the first time our "balancing dream team" fcks up, Mordu ships are just as ********. |
Fornost Fornostsen
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.07.15 08:42:26 -
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Minister of Death wrote:I finally tried Jackdaw. Fun.
Props to whoever came up with the general T3D idea. For pve at least, the idea is fun and the implementation is effective for the idea. The reconfiguration on mode change is really cool. The affects of the different modes are fun. The icons for mode change are easily understandable and good cooldown feedback.
The mode reconfiguration is my favorite my part.
Whoever @CCP is thinking like this, keep doing it. Fun is a good thing, stuff that makes one say 'wow, cool' is good for the game.
Also whoever thought of the wing config change for Cerberus on warp enter/exit... cool touch. Do more stuff.
ya. keep doing that.
T3D are fun to fly. They are fun mostly because they are OP (at least in the frig - destroyer meta). They completely f**k up Assault Frigates. Why fly an AF, when you have a T3D that costs a little more but has more speed, more tank and more DPS?
You can fit an Hecate able to fly at 2500 m/s (3611 Overheated), approach the target, scram and double web, shut off the MWD it and deliver 704 dps (810 OH, eight hundred damage per second!) while hull-tanking 11700 EHP with a sig radius of 70...
Do you still need AFs?
So CCP introduced 4 new ships that, basically, make 8 before perfectly balanced ships, unuseful... |
Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
921
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Posted - 2015.07.15 09:08:12 -
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Fornost Fornostsen wrote:Why fly an AF, when you have a T3D that costs a little more... ...unless you whelp it. Then it's cheaper. |
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1902
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Posted - 2015.07.15 09:53:58 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Fornost Fornostsen wrote:Why fly an AF, when you have a T3D that costs a little more... ...unless you whelp it. Then it's cheaper. Only need N+1 more than the others who are also all flying T3Ds
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2015.07.15 13:05:14 -
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Better for CCP to just refund everyones SP that trained for them, apologize and remove them from the game. That will kill 2 birds with one stone instead of having to rebalance AFs to the point where they'll be able to solo everything. |
Fornost Fornostsen
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.07.15 14:53:15 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Fornost Fornostsen wrote:Why fly an AF, when you have a T3D that costs a little more... ...unless you whelp it. Then it's cheaper.
Yes but... How much cheaper?
I quote you from another post:
Barrogh Habalu wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:Except, there's also insurance fee... Of course. So in the end it's about what 10-12 m per hull? Almost 2 times cheaper than AFs.
Even without taking into account the insurance thing, a fitted AF is going to cost something around 30/35M, while a T3D can be in the range of 60/70M.
Yes, is the double, but it's still only 30/40M of difference for a ship that is a lot better.
If you look at the small ship meta, there is no such difference between T1 frigs, destros and their tech 2 variants. With T3D you can have a ship that floats like a ceptor and stings like a destroyer |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
312
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Posted - 2015.07.15 15:45:20 -
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Fornost Fornostsen wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Fornost Fornostsen wrote:Why fly an AF, when you have a T3D that costs a little more... ...unless you whelp it. Then it's cheaper. Yes but... How much cheaper? I quote you from another post: Barrogh Habalu wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:Except, there's also insurance fee... Of course. So in the end it's about what 10-12 m per hull? Almost 2 times cheaper than AFs. Even without taking into account the insurance thing, a fitted AF is going to cost something around 30/35M, while a T3D can be in the range of 60/70M. Yes, is the double, but it's still only 30/40M of difference for a ship that is a lot better. If you look at the small ship meta, there is no such difference between T1 frigs, destros and their tech 2 variants. With T3D you can have a ship that floats like a ceptor and stings like a destroyer Lol dude the ENTIRE POINT is that you take insurance into account lol.
Platinum AssFrig insurance gives you 6mill back Platinum T3D gives 35mill back.
You cant compare prices like you are doing while ignoring the giant imbalancw of said prices lol. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
312
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Posted - 2015.07.15 15:48:50 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Fornost Fornostsen wrote:Why fly an AF, when you have a T3D that costs a little more... Yes but... How much cheaper? I quote you from another post: Barrogh Habalu wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:Except, there's also insurance fee... Of course. So in the end it's about what 10-12 m per hull? Almost 2 times cheaper than AFs. Even without taking into account the insurance thing, a fitted AF is going to cost something around 30/35M, while a T3D can be in the range of 60/70M. Yes, is the double, but it's still only 30/40M of difference for a ship that is a lot better. If you look at the small ship meta, there is no such difference between T1 frigs, destros and their tech 2 variants. With T3D you can have a ship that floats like a ceptor and stings like a destroyer Lol dude the ENTIRE POINT is that you take insurance into account lol. Platinum AssFrig insurance gives you 6mill back Platinum T3D gives 35mill back. You cant compare prices like you are doing while ignoring the giant imbalancw of said prices lol. And your 30/40 mill price difference almost goes to zero with insurance factored in.... For a ship better in every way.
Lol Seriously how did you learn to assert your opinions? Youd make a terrible politions. ..
"Now guys i know the issue is the several cost imbalance due to drastic different insurance payout... yet if we just ignore said drastic insurance payouts for a monent you can see...."
LOL |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
312
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Posted - 2015.07.15 15:57:36 -
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Lol 37mill svipul 9mill insurance 35mill payout =12mill hull 22mill ishkur 2mill insurance 6mill payout =18mill hull
Can both be fit t2 or bling accordingly
Explain how inferior AssFrig costs 1/3 extra when it sucks in every way compared to cheaper T3D
Lol guys are you blind or ignorant or just bad at math? |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2762
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Posted - 2015.07.15 16:04:54 -
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I'm glad there are now destroyers that are actually capable of performing their alleged role effectively. T1 and T2 destroyers are and always have been absolute trash, cruisers outperform them as anti-frigate platforms in almost every way and are much more survivable.
All the whine seems to amount to "oh no, the anti-frigate hull class is actually capable of killing frigates! Hurr power creep, durr muh faction war complex balance!" |
Nalia White
Tencus
122
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Posted - 2015.07.15 16:10:59 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I'm glad there are now destroyers that are actually capable of performing their alleged role effectively. T1 and T2 destroyers are and always have been absolute trash, cruisers outperform them as anti-frigate platforms in almost every way and are much more survivable.
All the whine seems to amount to "oh no, the anti-frigate hull class is actually capable of killing frigates! Hurr power creep, durr muh faction war complex balance!"
this. t1 destroyers were always a joke with their none existing fitting space (even t1 frigates can put in more low/med slots) and are slower than even some cruisers.
i agree though that the insurance for these ships should not be that high. i am against insurance all together anyway... what's the point really? an unnecessary isk faucet. |
Cellini Benvenuto
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2015.07.15 16:13:50 -
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Neuntausend wrote:T3 Cruisers are definitely somewhat powercreepy (this is a word now), but T3 Destroyers seem to be in a pretty good place. People love to fly them, since they are fast, versatile and reasonably affordable, but they are not overpowered by any means. Looking at the Killboards, they are flown a lot, but they die a lot too. They are weak to Neuts, Scrams and Webs and can be killed even by cheaper and better insured T1 Cruisers, provided the appropriate Rock-Paper-Scissors constellation of fittings.
As someone who's having fun flying the confessor: I quite agree, they are amazingly fun ships to fly. I can imagine they will get nerfed one day or another, but personally, I think they should be a template for all cruiser and below sized hulls. Eve becomes so much more interesting when the ship you are flying is actually a lot of fun instead of a lot of chore.
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Fornost Fornostsen
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:36:06 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:You cant compare prices like you are doing while ignoring the giant imbalancw of said prices lol. And your 30/40 mill price difference almost goes to zero with insurance factored in.... For a ship better in every way.
Lol Seriously how did you learn to assert your opinions? Youd make a terrible politions. .. [/quote]
Fornost Fornostsen wrote:Yes, is the double, but it's still only 30/40M of difference for a ship that is a lot better.
With T3D you can have a ship that floats like a ceptor and stings like a destroyer
Well... I said that even if you don't take into account the insurance that difference is trivial... Obviously it means that if you take into account insurance it's even worse...
I try to make it simple: T3Ds are OP, they make AFs pointless and there isn't any serious difference in price to justify that.
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Delightful Delicacy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:39:01 -
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Here's two broader solutions to the situation. Firstly, fix T2 pricing/insurance, because presently insurance is virtually useless for T2 but still useful for T3 destroyers. Secondly, perhaps it's time that larger weapons got an increase in chance to hit smaller targets, so cruisers have an easier time against T3 destroyers. This will also help buff battleships a little, which presently, get owned by anything smaller in many cases. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3823
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Posted - 2015.07.15 17:40:07 -
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Delightful Delicacy wrote:This will also help buff battleships a little, which presently, get owned by anything smaller in many cases. I don't think PvE boats count.
Oh god.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
314
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:35:11 -
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Fornost Fornostsen wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:You cant compare prices like you are doing while ignoring the giant imbalancw of said prices lol. And your 30/40 mill price difference almost goes to zero with insurance factored in.... For a ship better in every way. Lol Seriously how did you learn to assert your opinions? Youd make a terrible politions. ..
Fornost Fornostsen wrote:Yes, is the double, but it's still only 30/40M of difference for a ship that is a lot better.
With T3D you can have a ship that floats like a ceptor and stings like a destroyer
Well... I said that even if you don't take into account the insurance that difference is trivial... Obviously it means that if you take into account insurance it's even worse...
I try to make it simple: T3Ds are OP, they make AFs pointless and there isn't any serious difference in price to justify that. [/quote] Ohhhh
Then i agree with you |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1967
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Posted - 2015.07.16 11:01:11 -
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From a development stand point, in order to have less to juggle, maybe they should just remove frigates and focus on balancing T3Ds to ... I can't keep a straight face, sorry.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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