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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.23 13:46:13 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Black Pedro wrote:as most of the time there is not a significant and/or competent force to oppose suicide gankers. See! Why is there no real opposition? Because Antiganking is a lot of effort for no reward in ships that actually cost an amount people don't want to lose. Meanwhile, ganking is pretty easy, done in cheap ships and in general is pretty rewarding. There should be more opportunities for counters and counter-counters and counter-counter-counters, and ganking should have to field enough to make it worthwhile for antigankers to put some effort and skill into doing it.
Whilst this is true, it's also demonstrates the paradox. The highsec ruleset DEMANDS they use worthless ships.
Throwaway ships are required because of guaranteed loss. If you make them NEED better ships, ships worth shooting, you also then need to leash concord.
Or you find a way to make the bounty system simultaneously pay more, but not be exploitable via alts. Good luck there. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.23 13:54:26 -
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Escorts are a) worse than mining for boredom and b) utterly garbage in high sec because you can't shoot first (i.e. you can't kill the warp in alt, or the scanners).
There is no amount of isk going that would make me escort in high sec. Don't need to escort in low/null because we use JFs.
/shrug |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.23 14:06:47 -
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Did you miss the pertinent part? You cant shoot the neutral guys assisting.
So right this second I flew past a code neutral warp in alt ("Hi Perry Rodent!!!") in his venture, could I shoot him if I felt threatened as an escorter? Or shoot him as I KNOW he presents a threat? No, I cannot. Because high sec rules hilariously prevent it as he is lurking in an NPC corp (ironic, for a code alt).
Escorting is a joke in high sec beyond a webbing EAF, maybe logi for the armor freighters but even that's a bit of a nonsense. That's it. Nothing else is worth a damn. I would never do it, no-one I know would do it. It's far easier and simler to just not expose yourself in the first place.
The limit to "escorting" in highsec is someone webbing you.
Scouting is a thing in a fleet, I think you know that is different though.
Edit: I should probably be clear, there is nothing can be done about this, it is simply the reality.
Edit2: And whilst I'm on the topic, lets not pretend that all gankers are -10. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.23 14:37:43 -
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Black Pedro wrote:afkalt wrote:Did you miss the pertinent part? You cant shoot the neutral guys assisting. Gankers manage to shoot neutrals. I think what you meant to say is that you do not want to shoot the neutrals (the bumpers/scouts) because you do not want to suffer the consequences of that action. I guess criminals do suffer consequences for their actions after all.
You know perfectly well that an actual escort isn't some half arsed throwaway gank catalyst. Yes, taking a fleet of suicide ships is completely how people escort
Look, I never said there were not things you can do to not die, I said that escorting is a joke beyond webbing and we all know that, this is the reality.
I don't know how you all missed it, probably too busy frothing at the mouth about freighter ganking and leaping to defend it when a) I never attacked it here and b) the argument was that escorting, beyond webs is POINTLESS.
Because it is. You know it, I know it and the haulers know it.
Once again, since you all seemed to miss it the first time:
It's far easier and simpler to just not expose yourself in the first place. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.23 15:06:57 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:afkalt wrote: So right this second I flew past a code neutral warp in alt ("Hi Perry Rodent!!!") in his venture, could I shoot him if I felt threatened as an escorter? Or shoot him as I KNOW he presents a threat? No, I cannot. Because high sec rules hilariously prevent it as he is lurking in an NPC corp (ironic, for a code alt).
Funny coming from an NPC forum alt
It's a valid use of game mechanics, knock yourselves out. I am simply amused no end by the irony of it.
This NPC forum alt is years older than you, deal with it. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.23 15:27:22 -
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Lan Wang wrote: and again, the reward is based on what the pilot decides to put in his ship, you cant balance greed
Only partly true.
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