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Diablo Venator
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Posted - 2006.12.01 01:55:00 -
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Whats with all the SP new chars get?
They are only a few hours away from having tech II weaponery...
Does this not open the door for piratey type alts to contuniualy sucide bomb.. take the sec hit while the main char picks up the loot?
If they have decided that this is now the norm, why did they not give us all a SP bonus say in the new skills that nobody had, say rigging...
Sorry for the new thread, i am sure this has been discussed.. i just could not find where to add it...
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Kiyano
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Posted - 2006.12.01 01:59:00 -
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they did increase players with <800k sp to 800k+ Thats all they were willing or should have done tbh. Its just to let new players actually "play" eve as opposed to just train skills to be good :p
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Diablo Venator
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Posted - 2006.12.01 02:03:00 -
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i understand that..
It would have made this game lots easier to start with.. but we all went through the pain of doing it...
all i suggest if they give new players it, they should have given the old players it too... there would have been alot less grief if they had.... or is it just me?
especially with the advent of loads of new skills, it would not have been that difficult to give us a 'bonus' by giving us all rigging at lv3 for example...
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Zhaine
B e l l u m
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Posted - 2006.12.01 02:21:00 -
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Joan Vampyre
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Posted - 2006.12.01 02:24:00 -
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I don't agree on that.
What the game needs, is more players, and new players fill that spot. But to appreciate the game, new players need to be able to start to do *some* of the things they want to do, although not necessarily that efficient. Starting them at 800k SP makes them start out better.
Compensate old players? I don't think that's a good thing. For one, they are already so far ahead from the new players, remember, Eve is a time based skill learning. EVen giving new players 800k SP, doesn't make it any easier for them to chase to the veteran players.
If anything, we shoudl be complaining about wreck system... it's a wreck. :P
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insidion
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Posted - 2006.12.01 02:41:00 -
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I'm ultimately happy that they've decided to take this approach, but I'm sorry as a player with more than 800k sp that suffered through the bad choices issue (ended up restarting after two weeks of play because it was faster than actually learning it on that character) I can't help but take offence to this.
It's often complained that the older players are so far ahead of the newer players that the newer will never catch up. This is true and it isn't. Simply put, the older player is probably master of several aspects of eve, while the newbie is master of none. That's just 'reality' and older players should not constantly be penalized or missing out on bonuses just because they're already established. It's the older players that have powered the system thus far and are constantly under fire for having discovered EVE before someone else.
Newer players simply cannot realistically expect to compete on all levels with older established players, nor should they. An intelligent player would realize that trying to do jack of all trades right off the start is not a bad plan, but will not allow them to compete with a one year old character for a while. I'd think that an intelligent player would seek to achieve mastery over one specific field so that they can compete effectively before moving on to another field. The classic example of this is the extreme recommendation to get PE5 before even attempting to compete in the world of manufacturing. You don't have to do this, but it's certainly a good idea.
Sorry, but so far all this system does is **** off players who have been around longer, make it easier for noobs (the only good point, but too easy imo) and make it easier for idiots to alt hop, gank, make suicide alts, etc.
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gnshadowninja
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.01 04:07:00 -
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I must fully agree with the post above. I do not agree that older players should be left out because they found the game before others. Yes it does bring new platers into the game but also disadvantages older players, like if you make the skill training twice as fast this would be very unfair to older players. This is same as raising the new comers SP.
The point of the matter is i had to pay money to get to what a new character now starts on when i first started. Which everyone has done and it seemss unfair that us older players paid the money, waited that time to get over 800k SP and now players start on it.
Signed Shadowninja
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JrLUK
Caldari Chrome Combat
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Posted - 2006.12.01 04:46:00 -
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Edited by: JrLUK on 01/12/2006 04:46:45 I cant remember how much sp i started with but it certainly was no where near 800k!! lol nearly a year and a half since i started and i think i started with 50k sp but im not 100% positive. So i would like my 750k sp in the post soon ccp!
sometimesitsbetternottostickbitsofeachotherineachotherforeachother.
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JrLUK
Caldari Chrome Combat
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Posted - 2006.12.01 04:49:00 -
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I think another thing is the fact than new players can start of with awsome stats.. so the argument that older players are so far ahead that it doesnt matter kinda gets wasted. They have the potential to learn faster than older players who started with fewer stat points (ie maxed out learning skills would still be unbalanced)
sometimesitsbetternottostickbitsofeachotherineachotherforeachother.
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Insidi Us
Amarr The Imperial Commonwealth
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Posted - 2006.12.01 05:24:00 -
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I wasn't given a SP boost, since I'm at 7.4 million right now, but my clone WAS upgraded to a 25 million SP version, which I KNOW I didn't buy. I take what I can get.
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Death Abyss
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Posted - 2006.12.01 05:48:00 -
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If it were just the skill point change with new charactors I might agree. The problem I have is only needing the base learning skills at L4 to train the advanced. I took the time on three accounts to train them to L5, I dont see that as being fair, I was paying the same per month as new players are now and I spent alot more money to train the same things. JMO
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2006.12.01 05:57:00 -
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as we speak large corps are already creating armys of disposable alts for swift deployment you start a new character and in a few days your useful in a cruiser
i think this is what ccp wanted or they wouldnt have done it
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Shagrath Xarra
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Posted - 2006.12.01 08:39:00 -
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Geesus, this whiny crap again.....
First off, the Veteran players did not get penalized. Did CCP take SPs off of your character after the patch? No, what it boils down to is you are upset because someone else got off to a quicker start in SPs than you did when you started. However, new players didn't spend all the time you did during all of those months playing the game and making isk in it did they? They didn't have months of fun like you did or do you consider the SP grind the ONLY part of EvE? If you do, then I would say you owe CCP some cash because you got more than you were suppose to!!
Your susbscription and EvE experiance includes more than the SP grind.....really it does.
Do you think this is the only MMO game which became easier for new players over time? DAOC, my last MMO put in an expansion called Catacombs where you had instant dungeons which made it 2-3 times faster to get your character to level 50. Therefore, the subscribers who played before Catacombs didn't benefit from this faster leveling on their now level 50 toons. A couple of people cried about it but nowhere near the level of the babies in EvE.
The only thing I agree upon is their ability to get tech 2 guns ect basically upon startup. Those items shouldn't be obtainable THAT easily. However, the most they get is T2 small guns and maybe an Afterburner. Im sure they aren't going to be owning right out of the box.
I just rolled a new character for myself today. I got some pretty nice skills and a couple of T2's but I still have a massive Learning skill grind ahead of me for that character. The new creation is nice but it is hardly unfair to the Veterans.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.01 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: gnshadowninja like if you make the skill training twice as fast this would be very unfair to older players. This is same as raising the new comers SP.
No, it's really not. ----------
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