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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2538
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Posted - 2015.07.31 21:26:38 -
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As I pass 100 million skillpoints, I begin to realize that for some of us older folk there is a point in which you run out of things to train for. I'm not there yet, but I'm really not that far away, either. So I propose a minor addition to the game, to give people something to aspire to for the long haul: tech 2 supercapitals. I picture their attributes being only slight improvements over the tech 1 variants, but for someone who has nothing else to train for, every little bit counts.
These tech 2 ships would have increased resistances much like the Black Ops battleships, and would have 10% more powergrid and CPU. They would additionally possess one extra slot: a high slot for supercarriers and a mid or low slot for titans. So the slot layouts for these would be as such: Aeon: 7/4/8 Wyvern: 7/8/4 Nyx: 7/5/7 Hel: 7/7/5 Avatar: 8/6/8 Leviathan: 8/8/6 Erebus: 8/7/7 Ragnarok: 8/7/7
All of these ships would require the Advanced Supercapitals skill, of which the book costs 50,000,000,000.00 ISK and has a 30x training multiplier. The tech 2 supercaps would take 25% longer to align but this skill would reduce their align time by 5% per level, making them even with regular supercaps at skill 4 and slightly faster at skill 5.
Each ship would further require a racial skillbook specific to the ship: Amarr Advanced Supercarrier Caldari Advanced Supercarrier Gallente Advanced Supercarrier Minmatar Advanced Supercarrier Amarr Advanced Titan Caldari Advanced Titan Gallente Advanced Titan Minmatar Advanced Titan
The Adv SC books would cost 15 bil each and have a 20x training multiplier. The Advanced Supercarriers would gain 2% fighter and fighter bomber damage (cumulative) for each level of this skill. The Adv Titan books would cost 25 bil each and have a 25x training multiplier. The Advanced Titans would gain 2% capital weapons damage (cumulative) for each level of this skill.
And lastly, these tech 2 versions should in the long term be approximately 50% more expensive than the tech 1 versions, but the extra would come in large part from a new resource that's not stockpiled yet and would require capital and supercapital support to gather the resource, putting these ships in danger and leading to more capital ship deaths.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3656
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Posted - 2015.07.31 21:40:56 -
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But why would anyone bother building them, given that caps and supers have no role anymore? |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2538
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Posted - 2015.07.31 21:49:00 -
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My suggestion gives them a role...and besides, everyone knows the real reason for having these is just to show off your great big ship.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3657
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Posted - 2015.07.31 21:59:59 -
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No you don't.
Why should we or PL stockpile these (which is what would happen if there was a reason to ever bother using them) when they have no combat role? |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2538
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Posted - 2015.08.01 01:04:33 -
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Danika Princip wrote:when they have no combat role? You can say that all you want, but it won't stop people from flying these.
Now I'm not saying they don't have problems, but I'm not saying they won't get fixed eventually, either.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2319
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Posted - 2015.08.01 01:40:31 -
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So, Power creep for the sake of power creep. |
Zimmer Jones
Aliastra Gallente Federation
267
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Posted - 2015.08.01 02:08:34 -
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The coathangar CTAs would be epic, but i can't see any real reason for them apart from the ultimate bait and helicopter dicking. full consellation wide off grid fleet bonuses maybe?
( dodges thrown rotten fruit )
You are content to be content. This is not a jedi mind trick, you're just the game
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
1443
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Posted - 2015.08.01 02:34:59 -
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Reaver, do you own a Supercapital ship?
If you did, you would have some idea how absurd your suggestions are.
By the way, as I approach 200m skill points, there is still plenty to train.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2538
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Posted - 2015.08.01 02:41:06 -
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I don't even own a capital ship.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
772
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Posted - 2015.08.01 02:43:26 -
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Reaver, this is really not meant to sound bad but sometimes your line of thought amazes me. I am slowly reaching 175 million skillpoints and still have so many things to train.
And do you want to know a secret? Outpost construction V and Amarr Titan V are still not on my que, which currently ends next March.
Oh and the "endgame" is not logging never on again in some sooper coffin, I thought it's train everything to V and ask for more books.
Tired of low and nullsec? Join Eve Minions and experience the beauty of wormholes!
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HiddenPorpoise
Expendable Miscreants
385
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Posted - 2015.08.01 03:21:23 -
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Danika Princip wrote:But why would anyone bother building them, given that caps and supers have no role anymore? A literally unstoppable link disruption is all I can guess. |
FireFrenzy
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
546
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Posted - 2015.08.01 06:56:45 -
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Do we really need the massive supercapital blobs of nullsec to be EVEN MORE POWERFUL? Sure they might have no real combat role other then being the end all apex force...
But do we really need titans with t2 base resists and extra slots? Same for supercaps... What does that seriously get us? And since i bet most titan alts have titans at 5 and an alliance to bank role them cost is meaningless in a massive scale... |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
360
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Posted - 2015.08.01 08:34:22 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:My suggestion gives them a role.
It does the complete opposite. By adding t2 supers, you completely neglect the previous t1 capital ships. |
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
313
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Posted - 2015.08.01 09:25:15 -
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so...... make capitals even more unstoppable and OP, without giving them a use....... and CCP doesn't want anything balanced around cost, because to the biggest alliance, it doesn't actually balance them
Also - my main has ...... 96M sp - and I've got over 2 years worth of skill's EVEmon planned up yet!
For posting an idea into F&I:
come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it.....
If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
904
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Posted - 2015.08.01 11:32:04 -
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Could we perhaps get the mess that is T1 Titans and Supercaps before recreating the problem in T2 format?
Not supported.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2538
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Posted - 2015.08.01 12:00:57 -
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FireFrenzy wrote:But do we really need titans with t2 base resists Black ops resists really only adds like 10% to two resist types, or less.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3661
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Posted - 2015.08.01 23:49:52 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Danika Princip wrote:when they have no combat role? You can say that all you want, but it won't stop people from flying these. Now I'm not saying they don't have problems, but I'm not saying they won't get fixed eventually, either.
Please explain why you think anyone would ever bother building one of these.
Now explain why anyone would bother risking current capitals and supers for them.
Now explain what combat role they're supposed to have.
Now, given the limitations you want to impose on collecting the unobtanium they'd require, please explain why us and Pl, and maybe NC. I guess, should be the only groups capable of actually putting more than one on the field. |
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