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Vahkii
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:39:00 -
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I never flew a Blackbird, never used electronic warfare modules, but I want to try them, en this is what I could make of it, I need your opinion :
----High 3X 'malkuth' heavy missile launcher I
----Mid 3X Medium Azeotropic Ward Sulabrity I 1X Balmer series targeting inhibitor 1X Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron 1X 'Langour'Drive Disruptor I
----Low 2X Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System
please tell me if it sucks
Vahkii
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:41:00 -
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Forget about ECM ships forever. --------------------------------- Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS. R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
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Vahkii
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:42:00 -
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It maybe a stupid question, but why ??
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Ortu Konsinni
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Ortu Konsinni on 04/12/2006 18:46:06 Your setup will work but defeats the purpose of using a Blackbird, since you're completely ignoring the ship's bonuses. The Blackbird's bonuses only apply to modules named ECM - somethingsomething.
Namely: ECM - Spatial Destabilizer ECM - Ion Field Projector ECM - Phase Inverter ECM - White Noise Generator ECM - Multispectral Jammer --- High quality pics of ALL EVE ships!
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HIdden Canary
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:46:00 -
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check this post m8 Quote: null
Jamming ships lol
BEst thign yo ucan do at the min as a set up is right mouse and trash ECm ship ! harsh but true !
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LoKesh
Amarr InQuest Ascension Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vahkii I never flew a Blackbird, never used electronic warfare modules, but I want to try them, en this is what I could make of it, I need your opinion :
----High 3X 'malkuth' heavy missile launcher I
----Mid 3X Medium Azeotropic Ward Sulabrity I 1X Balmer series targeting inhibitor 1X Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron 1X 'Langour'Drive Disruptor I
----Low 2X Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System
please tell me if it sucks
Vahkii
You want to try ECM... but you didn't put any on the ship? The thing with the BB is that it's a support ship. The damage output is low, and is always going to be so. You might be able to tank the mid slots - but not as well as a real tanking cruiser. Thus... use it for ECM.
Hi slots - whatever - launchers/artillery for low cap use
Mids - 5x ECM 1x Sensor booster
Low - 2x ECM boost mod
No tank, crappy damage - but you can jam out to 100km and lock notably faster than the scorp pilots.
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DubanFP
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:47:00 -
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ECM ships took a direct hit from the nerfbat with the introduction of Kali. they lost all thier lows to ECM mods just to become reasonable, and already use all thier mids for the ECM itself. Unfortunately it was only the non-ECM ships that needed a nerf and this was quite drastic and useless. I mean if you give up all offensive and most of your defensive combat abilities, becoming weak in solo, you deserve to have one hell of a fleet ship. Now ECM ships aren't even that good in fleet. __________________________ Why babelfish is bad mmm k "which the night do not expect that it calls the primary education before becoming deformed inside" |
Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Vahkii It maybe a stupid question, but why ??
Because ECM ships are nerfed to be virtually useless in combat. Pick any other ship, it will be much better choice(except stealth bombers) --------------------------------- Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS. R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
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DubanFP
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa except stealth bomber
Even that's debatable __________________________ Why babelfish is bad mmm k "which the night do not expect that it calls the primary education before becoming deformed inside" |
Vahkii
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:53:00 -
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I see now that it's not a good ship to do agent missions with, but, at least I could try. Thanks for the advice
Vahkii
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Ortu Konsinni
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:54:00 -
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Oh yeah, the Blackbird is a TERRIBLE ship for missions, forget about it. --- High quality pics of ALL EVE ships!
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DubanFP
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 04/12/2006 18:57:04
Originally by: Vahkii I see now that it's not a good ship to do agent missions with, but, at least I could try. Thanks for the advice
Vahkii
R.I.P. : Vahkii's Blackbird
ECM was only ever good in fleet PVP. against PVE it ALWAYS sucked. Now it's completely, utterly, superdeterminedly, stupendously stupid and weak at PVE. Sell your blackbird and contact me in game if you can't afford a caracal. I'll help you pay difference, trust me you need it more then i do. __________________________ Why babelfish is bad mmm k "which the night do not expect that it calls the primary education before becoming deformed inside" |
Vahkii
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:57:00 -
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wich cruiser is suitable for agent missions then ? because I really don't know those things yet
Vahkii
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Vahkii
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 04/12/2006 18:57:04
Originally by: Vahkii I see now that it's not a good ship to do agent missions with, but, at least I could try. Thanks for the advice
Vahkii
R.I.P. : Vahkii's Blackbird
ECM was only ever good in fleet PVP. against PVE it ALWAYS sucked. Now it's completely, utterly, superdeterminedly, stupendously stupid and weak at PVE. Sell your blackbird and contact me in game if you can't afford a caracal. I'll help you pay difference, trust me you need it more then i do.
I'm happy I haven't bought one yet
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Ortu Konsinni
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:58:00 -
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The Caracal is perfect. --- High quality pics of ALL EVE ships!
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DubanFP
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni The Caracal is perfect.
When it comes to PVE caracal is Queen, Ferox is King, and Raven is God. __________________________ Why babelfish is bad mmm k "which the night do not expect that it calls the primary education before becoming deformed inside" |
Vahkii
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:18:00 -
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ok, but thorax, maller, and rupture ? are they not good for PVE ??
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DubanFP
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 04/12/2006 19:20:08
Originally by: Vahkii ok, but thorax, maller, and rupture ? are they not good for PVE ??
They're excellent PVP ships, but in general against NPCs Missile ships are better. and gunships like above tend to do best at PVP. __________________________ Why babelfish is bad mmm k "which the night do not expect that it calls the primary education before becoming deformed inside" |
Vahkii
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:23:00 -
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ok thanks
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velocoraptor
Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Originally by: Ortu Konsinni The Caracal is perfect.
When it comes to PVE caracal is Queen, Drake is King, and Raven is God.
Fixed
Kali IS the goddess of destruction after all |
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Blind Man
Kemono.
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Man on 04/12/2006 20:33:33 this thread = 'waaa our uber ecm got nerfed and we actually have to train skills and use more mods n' stuffz!!1'
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DubanFP
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 04/12/2006 20:37:53
Originally by: Blind Man Edited by: Blind Man on 04/12/2006 20:33:33 this thread = 'waaa our uber ecm got nerfed and we actually have to train skills and use more mods n' stuffz!!1'
mmm, how mature of you to put it that way. . . I'm sure everyone will take you seriously now. Eveyone here admitted on most ships it needed a nerf. What everyone is complaining about is that ECM is completely useless with skills even on dedicated ECM ships. Now please get a life and leave us alone. __________________________ Why babelfish is bad mmm k "which the night do not expect that it calls the primary education before becoming deformed inside" |
Taram Caldar
Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man Edited by: Blind Man on 04/12/2006 20:33:33 this thread = 'waaa our uber ecm got nerfed and we actually have to train skills and use more mods n' stuffz!!1'
Actually I agreed that ECM needed a nerf. Problem is they nerfed it a bit too heavily. The problem with ECM wasn't the ships specifically designed for it. The problem was that everyone and their brother could fit it and use it almost as well. Which made it so over powered. The nerf went so far that even ecm dedicated ships are weaker now than NON ECM ships were before the nerf.
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