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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:09:00 -
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So what did people think of the tourney in general.
Personally I will go and say it was fantastic, really really enjoyed it. The new rules have opened up the matches with some fantastic battles. MC v IAC (imp apoc), FIX v CELES (Domi v Nighthawk), and the iskur v mega (can't remember the teams sorry) come to mind straight away.
All the doom and gloom about damps hasn't really transpired, personally I never thought it would *cough* Seleene *cough*
Eve Tv, has been fantastic, a real improvement on last year indeed, the problems with the stream were sorted so hopefully it will be plain sailing to the final, good job.
I have to say this has been the best tournament so far, hopefully the final weekend will keep along the same way.
Your thoughts?
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Templer Relleg
FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Templer Relleg on 04/12/2006 19:11:57
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti iskur v mega (can't remember the teams sorry)
That was Edge of Sanity against Destiny!!
But i think you listed the 3 fights, that were the best.
Also the last one on Saturday, with sani sabik, against Other worlds empire(Chribba and Tank CEO), was amazing. They managed to kill the drake, JUST in time I bet Chribba were shooting veldspar at Tank CEO, to try to keep the shields alive, with bad resulsts.
Im greatly disappointed by the MC team. They are great guys, with great skills. But they failed, sadly enough. I thought they were gonna make it to top 5, with bob, ascn, iac and sani sabik.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:30:00 -
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It is a really good format. Top marks for whoever invented it.
Star Fraction is recruiting
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remo man
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.04 21:40:00 -
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Have really enjoyed the new rules.
Has made people come out with some interesting things instead of the typical nos/tank boll*x i.e the navy caracals, navy vexxors, the bumpa mach(i just lmfao) and the damp cnr(which would have worked a treat) Also seeing that iskur come back to almost pwn that mega was class action as well.
Kudos to the evetv crew, its been good.
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Templer Relleg *snip* I thought they were gonna make it to top 5, with bob, ascn, iac and sani sabik.
So having 9 points and only having lost a HAC and three t1 frigates isn't enough to get AXE on this list? ffs, do we have to jump in a carrier or two before people notice we're kicking ass and taking names?
/me looks pointedly at the commentators.
--P
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Kreul Intentions
Minmatar Polaris Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:12:00 -
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Once the stream was corrected it was a great weekend to watch the tournament. Some of the matches were forgone conclusions from the outset, others were down to the last bit of structure.
All in all, I like the format.
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vipeer
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:25:00 -
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New set of rules really made some very interesting combinations like the 4 Navy Vexors supported by a Damnation or a Huggin for stopping the ships dead and nano'd Machariel to bump them out. That last one was really hillarious and shows peoplehave a lot of sense of humor and are not afraid to show it. WTG.
What i didn't like at all was the commentators. Especially the comment from SpiralJunkie saying they know nothing about ASCN and the rest laughing and agreeing with him then immediately after that Ifni says morale is low in ASCN and the team will probably get shredded to pieces. WTF?!?!? You just said you know nothing about ASCN! They should do some actual research about the alliances they're commenting on and taht does not include sitting on the ass and telling people to do your work.
The video was very laggy for me even with nothing else running. Probably because 20k people were also watching ;)
So: Players.........thumbs up Commentators....thumbs down CCP.............WTG for creating such an excellent game
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Drazila Uvera
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Posted - 2006.12.05 20:00:00 -
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Vipeer did you actually watch the show when they were saying that?
If you had then you would know the comment about knowing nothing about ASCN was because ASCN didn't send in any information about the Alliance like all alliances were asked to do. So it is the alliances fault for not supplying the information about the alliance and then you come complaining about them not doing enough research about you?
And i might be wrong here but i think Ifni said the morale might be low in ASCN camp. Now look at the words there. Might be. And it is a pretty good assumption that if you are in a war that the morale might be a little low and comming into a competition like this your thoughts would eather be on the war and not on the competition. Or that your focus was to show that the alliance is still strong and the war hasn't stopped your preperation for this event.
I personally think this has been a great event so far. The commentators have maybe not been at the same standard as a international TV sports commentators but i can't say i fault them for that.
We have seen some great matches like the MC vs IAC and the Ishkur vs Mega match and I am sure we will see more great matches the next weekend.
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.05 20:31:00 -
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Yup. Second hand information ftl.
The tournament's been good so far, in nearly all aspects. - EVE is sick. |
dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.12.05 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 05/12/2006 21:26:58
Originally by: Pilk So having 9 points and only having lost a HAC and three t1 frigates isn't enough to get AXE on this list? ffs, do we have to jump in a carrier or two before people notice we're kicking ass and taking names?
/me looks pointedly at the commentators.
Well Pilk, the answer to that is very easy and best expressed in this quote:
Originally by: Shin Ra, when the pairings were announced When you dig deeper, its clear that Group H could be just as tough as group F.
Otherworld Empire Productions = Dark Cartel The Sani Sabik = Omniscient Order
And I'm sorry but Group E = wtf? Are they gonna have a mining contest or something?
For sure your AXE team has looked solid with 3 wins. You still have to win against POS to finnish top of your group though. But I'm afraid your team won't get any recognition until you beat some more "well-known" opponents.
Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
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vipeer
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.05 21:46:00 -
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I did watch the video feed and the flood of "WTF!?!" comments on our internal chat channels that followed immediately after. Im sure he said: "Morale in ASCN is low" and not that it might be low.
Chris asked for comments on the tourney and i gave my view of it. No need to pick apart my comment
Why would a morale be low because we're at war? Is there any reason at all? It means that targets are coming to us to shoot. Hmmmm... If your assumption would be correct then at least half the alliances in this tourney would have low morale because quite a lot have active wars. AAA, RA, MC, Goonswarm, AXE, LV, BOB, XELAS, ATUK come to mind in a heartbeat. They are all at war be it 0.0 or empire with some other alliance(s). How come morale isn't low there? ASCN came in second in the 2nd tournament dispite being declared an underdog in nearly every engagement by the commentating team. (mainly the same people as this time) Yet still the commentators refuse to recognise the pvp abilities of our team. May it be because they don't like us? Impartiality is a key component of top notch reporting.
I would really like to see the commentators doing their job themselves and prepare for the event instead of asking other people to do their work. They had almost a year to gather information. Yet all they did was ask other people to do their work.
Taking pot shots at people that are not there ( John McCreedy comes to mind ) also shows a low standard of communication. To the commenting team:
Stop making fun of people that are not there. Make a joke on your own account if you must make fun of people. Treat all teams according to their performance and not personal preference. Next time you feel like saying something really stupid like morale being low because one of the sides is at war with some random one man corp pickup the glass and drink some juice to let other people say something sensible instead. Do your homework.
Oh and p.s. Drazila Uvera is a 21 days old member of Federal Navy Academy. Dude, grow a spine and post with your main or don't post at all. I'll uderstand if you posted with your alt by mistake. It's been known to happen. ;)
All in all... The commentators still have a lot of room for improvement. Hopefully they will use these 5 days to sharpen their performance. Im looking forward to another weekend of top notch pvp action.
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Malicious Wraith
The Dark Side of the Moon Edge of Sanity
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Posted - 2006.12.05 21:48:00 -
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Ya, they really layed the smack down on our second match and didnt know what the hell they were talking about. ----------------------------------------
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LeMoose
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.05 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 05/12/2006 21:26:58
Originally by: Pilk So having 9 points and only having lost a HAC and three t1 frigates isn't enough to get AXE on this list? ffs, do we have to jump in a carrier or two before people notice we're kicking ass and taking names?
/me looks pointedly at the commentators.
Well Pilk, the answer to that is very easy and best expressed in this quote:
Originally by: Shin Ra, when the pairings were announced When you dig deeper, its clear that Group H could be just as tough as group F.
Otherworld Empire Productions = Dark Cartel The Sani Sabik = Omniscient Order
And I'm sorry but Group E = wtf? Are they gonna have a mining contest or something?
For sure your AXE team has looked solid with 3 wins. You still have to win against POS to finnish top of your group though. But I'm afraid your team won't get any recognition until you beat some more "well-known" opponents.
dalman makes me afraid of the dark
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Drazila Uvera
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Posted - 2006.12.05 23:05:00 -
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So Vipeer, someone comes to your alliance and asks if they can get information about your alliance so they can be prepared for the next tournament. Is your answer: "Go find some info about our alliance but you are not getting it from us"? Someone has to give them the info or they will have to guess what your alliance is. Their job is to review and learn the info they are supplied with or are they just supposed to talk to some geniee and say i wish i had some information about the ASCN.
A comment like morale might be low is a very common comment in professional sports commenting. "This team has lost 5games in a row and morale might be low. will this be their turn around game from this loosing streak." Now i don't know alot about your war with BoB but from what the little i have heard it isn't going so well for your side. If the general view is the same and you don't supply the commentators with your views on how the war is going it can be very fair comment that morale isn't high. Now even if Ifni didn't say "might be low", he could still be in full right to say it was low since you didn't supply him with the info about your alliances morale and maybe some other alliance did supply him with the info that your alliance was low on morale. It can even be looked upon as a lack of morale that you didn't bother with supplying information about your alliance to promote it.
Now I am sorry if you don't like that i singled out your post but it struck me as idiotic since you whine that they didn't do their research when they did their research by contacting your alliance and ask for the info and you gave no info. There have been alot of posts that i have found alot more idiotic but i felt like answering this one. Now alot of focus has been on the comments made by the experts and the commentators. One of the most idiotic i have seen was someone whining about how the comments would affect the recruitment of said alliances. I am guessing that just by participating the alliances double the number of applicants and with some wins they go alot higher no matter what the commentators say. While at the same time people whining about this and irritate people that are actually looking for serious discussion on the matches and the tournament . This will cost the alliance alot more then some one line jest made by a commentator to fill airtime between matches. I am sure not a single person would remember that line about morale if you ASCN people wouldn't keep mentioning it. Now there have been comments that have been said that i do find not fitting, mostly the once about MCs setup against IAC and the comment about your rail crow setup(was it a crow?) in the last tournaments final. But they weren't anywhere near some of the stupid comments i have seen professional sports commentators come with.
And you are right this is an Alt of mine. Since it was new and i didn't like the suplimental skills i was given at the start of Revelations i decided to reroll and my main is named Petrina Uvera( 6 or 7days old). I also played through a trial account last christmas with a character named Tenilia Uvera. Lastly i had a character at release named JanuZ. I haven't played JanuZ or Tenilia for about a year. But you are right since i am a "new player" my word is worth nothing and i should go into a corner and be silent.
As i said in my last post i have found the tournament great so far and though the experts are not at the same level as last time( give us Stavros back :D ) the commentators of the matches have improved some. I find the studio to be a little lack luster for the discusions since you seem to be talking more to the camera when you are all facing the camera. It would have been alot better if you had bent the table a little so it looked like you where actually having a discussion. The only let down so far has been the streaming issues and the constant whining on these forums about things that have been said 20times before and don't really matter.
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Drazila Uvera
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Posted - 2006.12.05 23:32:00 -
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sorry if this last post came of as a little harsh cause it really wasn't ment that way. (damn character limit per post )
Even though the commenting hasn't been great, it has been pretty good and for only a second airing of a "sports event" it has been far beyond what you should be expecting from this. Also remember that even though the commentators are supposed to be neutral it is alot harder to stay neutral when you are actually a member of one of the alliances and not just a supporter. You expecting the experts to be neutral is almost as expecting a sports legend brought in to a studio to stay neutral when he is asked to comment a grudge match between his former club and his rival club. It will not be neutral and it isn't expected to be neutral. I think alot of people fail to make a diffrence between a commentator and a expert and most of the commentators have stayed neutral while comenting while you can't really expect the same of an expert brought to the studio especially when some of them are actually playing in the tournament. They need to improve but you people need to cut them some slack, most of them are doing this for the first time with only a few doing it for the second time.
I think the rule changes have made for more matches that are fun to watch. I mean alot of the matches in the last tournament were boring and slow while still interesting. While most of the fun matches so far have been action filled almost all the way. And the increase in how many setups you can create has made the tournament alot better.
I think the EveTV have done a great job even though the have been under heavy fire so far and i would also like to thank the extra volunteers that have given descriptions of the fights while the feed was down, both on IRC and on these forums. And also for keeping the unofficial score tables updated.
I am hoping for alot more memorable fights next weekend and more strange setups that succeed. I also hope that teams that change their setup to counter the oppositions setups will succeed cause i would really hate to see a setup that worked for every fight win.
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Truth Serum
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Posted - 2006.12.06 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: vipeer I did watch the video feed and the flood of "WTF!?!" comments on our internal chat channels that followed immediately after. Im sure he said: "Morale in ASCN is low" and not that it might be low.
Yeah, if that was the case than why can't D2 manage to ever win a fight in the tourney is my question. I mean, if it was a mining/npc'ing tourney, or hell, a NAP'ing tourney they'd win hands down.
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Gradinger
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.06 08:19:00 -
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yea chris, really nice tourney so far.. the point systems surely been a good a idea..
on sunday i thought for a moment lunas will go down but how could i even think that :P
and i nearly crushed everything in sight when the stream broke on sunday¦s first match while the domi/nighthawk finish.. grrr the broadcasting itself was one of the main drawbacks - and i dont wanna talk too bad about the broadcasters cuz they brought us the wmv-stream in the end i think - but i guess im going to get my money back for not delivering the hi-res.
about the commentators, like everything there been some thing i liked and some not so much. spiral didnt seem as "fresh" as he seemed last time to me, i was a bit shocked from ream¦s performance but quite amusing nonetheless and sometimes i dont get it when xod talks about whateva while the weirdest things happen on the battlefield. a really great addition was farjung, also ifni and jamesw deserve the "experts"-sig ;)
and after all the minor "complaints" i gotta say EVE-TV is such a nice project and deserves much <3 .. i even thought about making a thread just to congratulate them. i mean thats not a pro-service, they are just some guys/fans/players like us.
ps. cuz someone said they shouldnt make fun of ppl or such - err PLEASE KEEP MAKING FUN OF PPL (just not about ER) :P
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.12.06 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: vipeer
Taking pot shots at people that are not there ( John McCreedy comes to mind ) also shows a low standard of communication.
its ok Mccreedy deserves it.
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vipeer
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.06 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: vipeer on 06/12/2006 16:37:32 Did you actually see how many alliance info they had. The folder had less than 10 post-its on it and, it'd say, that would be the amount of the alliances that bothered to submit the info. A quarter. That's how serious the EVE TV team was about gathering proper info. A FC who has 1/4 of the information will get his fleet slaughtered. They all come on EVE TV as experts at pvp so they should know that flying a quarter fitted ship into combat will only end in tears. Advice to SpiralJunkie for next year: Gather all the relevant info. Should be a prereq to enter the tourney anyway. Secondly: ASCN team won last 5 matches. The team went through the previous tourney all the way to the finals where it was undecided. Lost one or two AF during the whole tourney and if there were no time limit on the finals the ASCN team would have won because their tank was obviously unbreakable. Why would the morale be low then? ASCN team obviously is on a winning streak and not a loosing one. Calling me an idiot by itself warrants a reply. Idiot i am not. My post is supported by arguments and suggestions. Idiotic posts look like that: "m1 pwnzor Y00. U su3k. EVE TV is crap (insert random slander)...bla bla bla bla...bla" My post is far from that. It is true im not an expert at pvp but still good enough to kill a Vindicator in a 1 vs. 8 enemies fight. English is also not my first language so im sorry for any grammar mistakes. Reasons for not submiting alliance information are unknown to me. We have one person designated to deal with such things and if it was his decision not to submint alliance info i have full confidence in his decisions. I guess submitting info would only give the commenting pannel more targets to shoot at... so he decided against it. I agree with you that whining about bad recruitment possiblities due to slander is just that. Whining. If someone wants to join an alliance he should get info himself and decide for himself. We keep mentioning it so it will be clear that morale in ASCN is not low as some people would like it to be but riding high on the Valkyries bringing death and destruction to our enemies. Other people are also telling Spiral to cool it and come up with intelligent jokes rather than mindless slander. The rail crow was actually a rocket crow. It was a tossup between rockets and light missiles. Our pilot decided to use rockets while BoBo pilot decided to go with light missiles. We all know how that turned out
The point of my post was to give constructive criticism supported by arguments i deem solid enough to use and ended with a suggestion on how i think EVE TV team should aim to improve their performance.
Oh, ASCN team was voted a looser into every match in the previous tournament but they came on top. BoBo team was supposed to shred Kozak and the rest to pieces. No such thing happened and yet one year later the ASCN team is again declared an underdog. I for one am at best suprised about the lack of reality grasp, while not voicing my other, more sinister concerns.
All in all the fights are fun to watch. If only the comment would be on par with the pvp performance this show would be a real candy to watch. Sadly the state of affairs is bias to put it bluntly. I really hope the EVE TV team will use all these threads pouring on them this week and find a grain or two of gold in them to enhace their performance. We'll see on Friday.
Edit: found a spelling error
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Drazila Uvera
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Posted - 2006.12.06 21:47:00 -
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Vipeer i did not call you an idiot, i said i found your post idiotic. I don't know you and have nothing against you but idiotic posts don't have to be in a bad format to be idiotic and you don't have to be an idiot to make an idiotic post. I still find it idiotic that you complain about the studio not having information about an alliance when it was asked for and not supplied. They might have been able to push harder to get information from the alliances but as I see it, it was the alliances that complained about them not knowing enough about them the last time and it is the alliances job to inform them about their alliances if they want it to be covered more. I personally don't care about where the alliance is from or if it is at war or not, it doesn't affect the tournament that much. Is the alliance rich or not? only care if the team can't field a full faction/tech2 ship setup else i think it will not affect the tournament that much. This is why I think the studio doesn't need to know alot about an alliance. They might need answers to questions like does it have previous experience in a tournament? If not do the characters in the team have previous experince? and if they do have previous experence did they do well or badly? Is it mostly the same players on the team? Can we expect the same from them or are they more/less prepared now? I think the studio can answer those questions easily.
I find it alot more relevant if the characters in the team has 20m SP or more then if the alliance controlls 20 constellations or more. I find it alot more important if the characters in the team have been training the last 2months then to find out if the alliance has been in a war the last 2months. Only thing i find important about the actually alliance compared to the team is how much the rest of the alliance has supported the team in its preperation. Be it as training partners, money providers or just morale support.
Now how to help the studio get more information about the alliances? Well they posted on the forums asking for contacts in the alliances that are competing. I personally think this should be covered in the registration for the tournament. Create a form with questions about the alliance that should be turned in with the registration also. Now here is the problem, what questions are really relevant and who is supposed to choose what questions are relevant? Maybe they should have a second questioneer that is to be turned in the day before tournament start about how the team has been preparing for the tournament. But without any answers from the alliances then they will not have any information.
My point about your morale has always been that nobody cares if it is low or not and the comment didn't mean a thing. I have no idea if it is low or not and I would personally have played it up as being low since it might actually get the opponents to come in less prepared for matches.
As a player with no connection to any alliance i have found the commenting to be not nearly as biased as everyone seems to think it is. The commentators have slammed just about every single team in the tournament with something and it is very natural to expect them to talk more about the more profiled teams and thus slam them more then the others. You people will just have to stop looking at the commenting from your biased stand point and realize it isn't just your team being commented on.
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