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Reiisha
Repracor Industries
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Posted - 2015.08.05 10:58:06 -
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So, it's just been announced:
https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/247
Elite is adding planetary landings, about a year after it's original launch.
So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :)
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
402
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Posted - 2015.08.05 12:13:07 -
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The short answer is: CCP wants EVE to be a game about space front and center, while Elite was planned with stuff like planetary landings from the very beginning.
Also you can't compare Elite, which is build on a solid foundation of procedural generation using real science as rules to EVE, which is build upon a sordid labyrinth of arcane horrors. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.08.05 12:58:44 -
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You should see what idiot smile I have on my face right now...
Come on Elite! Just throw in some avatars, dammit! Is that too much to ask...?
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Commissar Rain
Team Evil
648
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Posted - 2015.08.05 14:32:10 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:You should see what idiot smile I have on my face right now... Come on Elite! Just throw in some avatars, dammit! Is that too much to ask...?
It will probably be the last thing to be added. Probably the most difficult thing to add as well in the way of content and things to do.
Member of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
557
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Posted - 2015.08.05 15:50:18 -
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You see that avatars were planned from beginning, despite how ridiculous that sounds considering there were no avatars of players earlier in any elite game. There was huge world to explore and evolve your character with actions you can take like military service without actual seeing yourself in person. There were npc images, but there was no image representing you.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3919
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Posted - 2015.08.05 18:58:25 -
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Commissar Rain wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:You should see what idiot smile I have on my face right now... Come on Elite! Just throw in some avatars, dammit! Is that too much to ask...? It will probably be the last thing to be added. Probably the most difficult thing to add as well in the way of content and things to do.
I am patient. Even the planets stuff will be released slowly... airless rocky planets first. So Mercury, there we go! Airless icy planets could be next, now that Pluto is back on the headlines.
The point is the idiot smile. EVE hasn't done that for me for 5 years. And as I've said before, I'll be playing EVE until I find a better game. Putting a idiot smile in my face is quite a thing.
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Ian Morbius
225
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Posted - 2015.08.05 21:32:58 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:...., build upon a sordid labyrinth of arcane horrors. Have to remember that one.
Death Valley & Mojave real world hardcore.
www.acronymfinder.com
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
562
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Posted - 2015.08.06 12:31:09 -
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Its nothing funny, its tragic, EVE is bearing the faults and sins of progeny to this day, like a hunchback forever merged with its hump. That is why we cant have logout to character screen.
But enough of this. Watch Elite becoming better than SC.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
926
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Posted - 2015.08.06 13:34:45 -
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Elite is better than SC coz SC is just a 16 payer 2 map arena atm. |
Alice Stenmark
Global Trust Cooperative
21
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Posted - 2015.08.09 11:03:21 -
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Reiisha wrote:So, it's just been announced: https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/247 Elite is adding planetary landings, about a year after it's original launch. So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :)
1. The engine is outdated. 2. Overhauling the engine will take a long time to develop, and a longer time to implement. 3. Might as well just make a new EVE game right? well... 4. Unnecessary risk to take, given MMOs rely on people with too much time and too little money for a gaming rig as their main playerbase.
Not only will making a sequel that can handle all of these shiny new features prove to be EXPENSIVE, it will also be very risky since CCP can't guarantee the percentages of players that will return nor the new players that they can attract. |
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
657
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Posted - 2015.08.09 16:20:09 -
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EVE have planets that from closeup don't look right. But I have few ideas.
Scrape gravity and bumping bubles for EVE planets, I have better idea for planetary landings, with less resources needed and less skills needed.
Microjumpdrive driven landing pads very similar to Mobile Micro Jump Unit we have already but huge as to operate it with Orcas and operating with ranges up to 5000 km. Microjumpdrive Launch Pads (MLP's) would be placed on the surface, the additional structure we could use to pick up planetary products from planetary instalation. Managed with permissions like station dock. \/
Every landing and launch would cost the amount of: ship mass kg /100 = x ISK. Capitals excluded, freighters could pass.
The camera would have to orient on a different angle and you would see your ship at the surface, levitating at the pad at the surface, hold there with an anormous force of surface tractor beams.
There planetary instalations would be visible, actual objects and detailed surface of planet loaded while DCT (Docking Jump Timer) would be running.
You could have an option to launch ship in orbit thru the same structure of microwarpdrive launch pad on the planet. Every landing would cost you some ISKies, but, you could pick up an actual stuff from instalations.
How brilliant is that? You tell me. I think It would be the best thing since Quafe Zero. No gravity Involved. No major modifications to engine. Landing on a planet with EVE ships. The economic way.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
591
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Posted - 2015.08.09 19:19:57 -
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Reiisha wrote: So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :)
Just step outside and enjoy your planet.
Life is short and dinner time is chancy
Eat dessert first!
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
673
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Posted - 2015.08.09 20:09:51 -
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Caleidascope wrote:Reiisha wrote: So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :)
Just step outside and enjoy your planet. Boring, I dont see any abaddon hanging there. Fetch some for me and we will talk about the rest of scenery.
Actual game could look prettier than real world. But some people doesnt have a clue.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)
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tanner twaggs
Space Ship Gamers inc. Violent Declaration
8
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Posted - 2015.08.09 23:40:37 -
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Alice Stenmark wrote:Reiisha wrote:So, it's just been announced: https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/247 Elite is adding planetary landings, about a year after it's original launch. So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :) 1. The engine is outdated. 2. Overhauling the engine will take a long time to develop, and a longer time to implement. 3. Might as well just make a new EVE game right? well... 4. Unnecessary risk to take, given MMOs rely on people with too much time and too little money for a gaming rig as their main playerbase. Not only will making a sequel that can handle all of these shiny new features prove to be EXPENSIVE, it will also be very risky since CCP can't guarantee the percentages of players that will return nor the new players that they can attract.
Dont we all remember SWG (star wars galaxies) lets not make that happen to eve. K? |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
593
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Posted - 2015.08.11 00:17:32 -
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Tanner Twaggs wrote: Dont we all remember SWG (star wars galaxies) lets not make that happen to eve. K?
I support this message.
Life is short and dinner time is chancy
Eat dessert first!
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DaReaper
Net 7
2468
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Posted - 2015.08.11 04:10:45 -
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Tanner Twaggs wrote:Alice Stenmark wrote:Reiisha wrote:So, it's just been announced: https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/247 Elite is adding planetary landings, about a year after it's original launch. So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :) 1. The engine is outdated. 2. Overhauling the engine will take a long time to develop, and a longer time to implement. 3. Might as well just make a new EVE game right? well... 4. Unnecessary risk to take, given MMOs rely on people with too much time and too little money for a gaming rig as their main playerbase. Not only will making a sequel that can handle all of these shiny new features prove to be EXPENSIVE, it will also be very risky since CCP can't guarantee the percentages of players that will return nor the new players that they can attract. Dont we all remember SWG (star wars galaxies) lets not make that happen to eve. K?
Specifically which part?
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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DaReaper
Net 7
2468
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Posted - 2015.08.11 04:16:51 -
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Alice Stenmark wrote:Reiisha wrote:So, it's just been announced: https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/247 Elite is adding planetary landings, about a year after it's original launch. So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :) 1. The engine is outdated. 2. Overhauling the engine will take a long time to develop, and a longer time to implement. 3. Might as well just make a new EVE game right? well... 4. Unnecessary risk to take, given MMOs rely on people with too much time and too little money for a gaming rig as their main playerbase. Not only will making a sequel that can handle all of these shiny new features prove to be EXPENSIVE, it will also be very risky since CCP can't guarantee the percentages of players that will return nor the new players that they can attract.
Technically speaking, they have had the time to actually do this.
but if we really want to look it, it probably could be done, They have Unreal licenses right now, in theory they could make upgrades base don the unreal engine, backup data, shut off the server at DT and then reopen with a new engine. But tbh, this kinda of thing would only happen if valk, dust/legion and gun jack made money, then they could take the risk. It might be good for the 2014 vision, same engine, all games could be linked. The game that shall not be named is doing this, but not in the best way, i think if all three or more new eden games prove themselves they could be linked. But this is all wishful thinking and prolly WAY more complex then i think lol.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Reiisha
Repracor Industries
752
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Posted - 2015.08.11 05:41:02 -
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Tanner Twaggs wrote:Alice Stenmark wrote:Reiisha wrote:So, it's just been announced: https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/247 Elite is adding planetary landings, about a year after it's original launch. So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :) 1. The engine is outdated. 2. Overhauling the engine will take a long time to develop, and a longer time to implement. 3. Might as well just make a new EVE game right? well... 4. Unnecessary risk to take, given MMOs rely on people with too much time and too little money for a gaming rig as their main playerbase. Not only will making a sequel that can handle all of these shiny new features prove to be EXPENSIVE, it will also be very risky since CCP can't guarantee the percentages of players that will return nor the new players that they can attract. Dont we all remember SWG (star wars galaxies) lets not make that happen to eve. K?
Adding something to the game is not the same as changing everything about the game.
You may want to look up what the CU and NGE actually were before trying to make comparisons :)
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
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Alice Stenmark
Global Trust Cooperative
80
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Posted - 2015.08.12 12:20:25 -
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Reiisha wrote:Tanner Twaggs wrote:Alice Stenmark wrote:Reiisha wrote:So, it's just been announced: https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/247 Elite is adding planetary landings, about a year after it's original launch. So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :) 1. The engine is outdated. 2. Overhauling the engine will take a long time to develop, and a longer time to implement. 3. Might as well just make a new EVE game right? well... 4. Unnecessary risk to take, given MMOs rely on people with too much time and too little money for a gaming rig as their main playerbase. Not only will making a sequel that can handle all of these shiny new features prove to be EXPENSIVE, it will also be very risky since CCP can't guarantee the percentages of players that will return nor the new players that they can attract. Dont we all remember SWG (star wars galaxies) lets not make that happen to eve. K? Adding something to the game is not the same as changing everything about the game. You may want to look up what the CU and NGE actually were before trying to make comparisons :)
But you have to change the game engine in order to add a bearable planetary landing feature. Otherwise, it'd be just an overhyped, low quality update of broken promises and more spreadsheets.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
734
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Posted - 2015.08.12 15:33:52 -
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Alice Stenmark wrote:Reiisha wrote:Tanner Twaggs wrote:Alice Stenmark wrote:Reiisha wrote:So, it's just been announced: https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/247 Elite is adding planetary landings, about a year after it's original launch. So, CCP, it's been 13 years: Why can we still not land on planets? And no, Dust/Legion is not an excuse :) 1. The engine is outdated. 2. Overhauling the engine will take a long time to develop, and a longer time to implement. 3. Might as well just make a new EVE game right? well... 4. Unnecessary risk to take, given MMOs rely on people with too much time and too little money for a gaming rig as their main playerbase. Not only will making a sequel that can handle all of these shiny new features prove to be EXPENSIVE, it will also be very risky since CCP can't guarantee the percentages of players that will return nor the new players that they can attract. Dont we all remember SWG (star wars galaxies) lets not make that happen to eve. K? Adding something to the game is not the same as changing everything about the game. You may want to look up what the CU and NGE actually were before trying to make comparisons :) But you have to change the game engine in order to add a bearable planetary landing feature. Otherwise, it'd be just an overhyped, low quality update of broken promises and more spreadsheets. Dont make it low quality and dont break promises and do not overhype anything, dont change engine or change it only a little, just add something new what can be made in current one.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú my sandcastle
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Reiisha
Repracor Industries
752
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Posted - 2015.08.12 17:55:52 -
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Alice Stenmark wrote:But you have to change the game engine in order to add a bearable planetary landing feature. Otherwise, it'd be just an overhyped, low quality update of broken promises and more spreadsheets.
Just FYI, the engine was 'changed' once before in Trinity already. Planets also didn't always look like they do now - Try and find screenshots of them from before 2009. Or, just try and find screenshots of what the game looked like at release. Or just watch the CCP Presents vid from 2013 :)
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
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Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
599
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Posted - 2015.08.14 11:20:09 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:Also you can't compare Elite, which is build on a solid foundation of procedural generation using real science as rules to EVE, which is build upon a sordid labyrinth of arcane horrors. I find nothing horrific in rubber balls floatng in WD-40 :P Except they have nothing to do with "space" whatsoever.
Elite is pretty arcadey, of course (I'd prefer if they just remade '93 Frontier wth the new technology and avatars), and the Stellar Forge engine has all sorts of quirks, but still it stands head and shoulders an Empire State Building or two above Eve, if the player interactions are not considered.
And when they are considered, it all boils down to the fact that Elite:Dangerous is a game about space and spaceships, and Eve is mostly a game about people who play it and the interactions between them, as underlined by CCP with "eve is real" and "real life science fiction".
...I probably have the same stupid smile as ms. Fazmarai here.
And a premium beta lifetime expansion pass.
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2015.08.14 14:35:21 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:You should see what idiot smile I have on my face right now... Come on Elite! Just throw in some avatars, dammit! Is that too much to ask...?
Avatars should be introduced around same time when E:D has "Walking at station/ship/planet"-expansion (again, free for me as a backer ), as I have understood it (and seen at trailers).
Kinda makes sense. |
Tanner Twaggs
Space Ship Gamers inc. Violent Declaration
792
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Posted - 2015.08.14 15:54:03 -
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Both games have different playing styles, yes they both might be in space, but eve is more of a strategy game then a exploration game
At what point do you just stop and say, Did i just do that
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Black Panpher
Middle-aged pony tail
4519
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Posted - 2015.08.14 17:26:25 -
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I for one am not pleased about a -ú50 expansion being released before the core game is even fleshed out, sadly this will be the death of E:D.
Riperino. |
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2015.08.14 18:33:43 -
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Black Panpher wrote:I for one am not pleased about a -ú50 expansion being released before the core game is even fleshed out, sadly this will be the death of E:D.
Riperino.
What are you talking about?
No it will not be "death" of ED (big fanbase alone will make sure of that, and money already earned has exceeded expectations).
These expansions and how much they will (about) cost has been made clear since kickstarter, and many times even after launch. Pretty sure it comes up even when purchasing the game.
One can also keep on playing ED withouth purchasing (all) payed extensions, he/she just can-¦t access that feature (land/fly at planets or walk at stations).
Also, think they have still discount campaign (or it just finished), might be -ú60 when it comes out. |
Black Panpher
Middle-aged pony tail
4523
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Posted - 2015.08.14 19:13:24 -
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0bama Barack Hussein wrote:Black Panpher wrote:I for one am not pleased about a -ú50 expansion being released before the core game is even fleshed out, sadly this will be the death of E:D.
Riperino. What are you talking about? No it will not be "death" of ED (big fanbase alone will make sure of that, and money already earned has exceeded expectations). These expansions and how much they will (about) cost has been made clear since kickstarter, and many times even after launch. Pretty sure it comes up even when purchasing the game. One can also keep on playing ED withouth purchasing (all) payed extensions, he/she just can-¦t access that feature (land/fly at planets or walk at stations). Also, think they have still discount campaign (or it just finished), might be -ú60 when it comes out.
Yes E:D is alive and kicking and they have produced everything they have promised. Kappa
Also I'm not against paid expansions learn to read. |
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2015.08.15 19:05:04 -
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Ah totally missed something there, English is not my native language...
And apparently my Irony-skill is still at level 3, thought I put that in que. |
Fenris Mars
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.08.22 23:21:03 -
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I hope that when ED introduces avatars, they don't move as clunky as the ones in Star Citizen. Speaking of SC, I like the youtube video showing the Salvage ship. Where you can exit an airlock and go explore inside something you find. If only we will ever see that actually happen. Or even fly the Retaliator Heavy Bomber with friends :) |
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