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Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.08.06 17:47:21 -
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I'm not finding any recent topics discussing drone ships. So to me that means either nothing's changed or no one gives a ****. ;) I like drones, so I was thinking to kind of "specialize" there. I do PvE only for now, and I don't have a lot of SP. See http://eveboard.com/pilot/Vendraen ...
Are there any good options for Cruiser-size drone ships for PvE right now? Any links/etc for good fits?
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Pax Deltari
R3d Fire
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Posted - 2015.08.06 18:33:17 -
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Gila, Ishtar, VNI. Gila Gila Gila
Sorry man Not 100% sure what you're asking. Just for a cruiser PvE ship right? Gila Gila Gila.
Did I mention the Gila?
Just actually looked at your EvE board and I see that your drone skills suck and you need to work on those if you want to fly a drone ship. Also unfortunately you'd want to go specialize in Amarr or Gallente ships (Gallente is the right answer here) if you wanted to fly Drone hulls effectively. Let me know what you'd like help with and I'll advise you ship wise. |
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:11:13 -
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Pax Deltari wrote:Just actually looked at your EvE board and I see that your drone skills suck and you need to work on those if you want to fly a drone ship.
That's easily fixed.
Thanks for the advice. So you're saying the Gila might be ok? :D
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Arthur Aihaken
Chig
4538
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:36:09 -
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Did someone say Gila? 
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Roseline Penshar
Eternal Darkness.
Blades of Grass
40
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Posted - 2015.08.06 23:56:23 -
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just use ishtar with navy heavy, it can hit frigate size too |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2388
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Posted - 2015.08.06 23:59:56 -
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The Gila is freakin amazing and has a fairly low skill overhead to get into.
It is more than okay.
It is awesome.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Ahed Sten
74
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Posted - 2015.08.07 02:24:47 -
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Since he mentioned "low level" pvp somewhere along the line, and since the Gila isn't exactly "low level," I'll quickly mention that the Tristan is a great little kiting drone ship, in the ballpark of about 6 mil if flown with T2 mods. That's my vote for the frig lineup.
For Cruisers, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Gila. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
961
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Posted - 2015.08.07 02:45:32 -
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I suggest the Moa's pirate brother. What's it called? The Rattlesnake's kid? The Worm's daddy?
Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.
I invented Tiericide
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
418
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Posted - 2015.08.07 02:58:05 -
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OP if you defined what your interpretation of low level missions are we could be more helpful.
Staying away from anything that resembles a T2 ship since I have no idea of your ISK stash until ewee get to the higher levels.
For level 1 and 2 missions the Tristan and Algos are both excellent choices. The Federation Navy Comet is more dependent on it's guns than the others but it is still a reasonable ship for drones pilots to fly.
For level 2's the Algos works well as does the Vexor.
For level 3's the Myrmidon is an excellent choice for drones pilots on a budget.
The Ishtar and Gila are both excellent ships that can be used in level 3 missions if you have the skills and the ISK for them.
With level 4's the Gila works but is considered by some to be less than optimal for a number of reasons. Like those who champion the GIla as a level 4 ship most of the reasons stated will be largely personal opinions and preferences.
The Ishtar is better at level 4's in my mind than the Gila simply because of it's larger drones bay and bonuses that affect all drones not just the mediums.
Dominix and Rattlesnake are both excellent drones ships for a level 4 pilot. The Domi would be a better low cost option but in the end I think the Rattle is the better mission ship overall.
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Ortilus Orsides
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.08.07 03:40:14 -
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Val'Dore wrote:I suggest the Moa's pirate brother. What's it called? The Rattlesnake's kid? The Worm's Big Brother?
Fix that for you |
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2394
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Posted - 2015.08.07 10:24:51 -
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Fine... Algos and Dragoon work fine for low end stuff, as do the Arbitrator and the Vexor.
Myrm or Prophecy for mid range stuff.
Gila, because... Gila.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.08.07 11:04:55 -
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Looks like Vexor and then Myrmidon are going to be good for me.
Time to start training Gallente stuff. :D
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
962
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Posted - 2015.08.07 12:40:27 -
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Vendraen wrote:Looks like Vexor and then Myrmidon are going to be good for me.
Time to start training Gallente stuff. :D
What the hell? He must be immune.
Take him out back and shoot him.
Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.
I invented Tiericide
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Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.08.07 12:46:32 -
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O_o
Going to be a damn,damn long time before I can afford a Gila.
My mentioning of "low and mid level PvE" should clue you in that half a billion ISK (just for the hull!) might be a little out of my price range. :D
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
962
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Posted - 2015.08.07 12:54:42 -
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Well fine then, check out the Worm.
Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.
I invented Tiericide
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Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.08.07 13:03:36 -
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Val'Dore wrote:Well fine then, check out the Worm.
You really do like the pirate ships eh? Arrrr?
Worm's about 80,000,000. Want to give me an interest free loan? :D
Then again, she's only got 10mb/s bandwidth. How is that better than Algos, with 35mb/s?
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2097
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Posted - 2015.08.07 13:30:33 -
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Vendraen wrote:Val'Dore wrote:Well fine then, check out the Worm. You really do like the pirate ships eh? Arrrr? Worm's about 80,000,000. Want to give me an interest free loan? :D Then again, she's only got 10mb/s bandwidth. How is that better than Algos, with 35mb/s?
Read the bonus |
Ahed Sten
74
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Posted - 2015.08.07 13:36:52 -
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Oh. I didn't see where you mentioned PVE. Disregard my statement about the Tristan, then.
Stick with the Algos for Level 1's, Vexor for Level 2's, Some decent BC drone boat for Level 3's...Maybe the Myrm...then hop into the Domi when you're ready for Level 4's. It's a reliable drone progression that won't break the bank. |
Do Little
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
93
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Posted - 2015.08.07 13:40:15 -
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The Gurista Pirate ships (Worm, Gila, Rattlesnake) align well with the skills you have trained thus far and there is no question that anyone flying one of these will tell you the state of drone ships is awesome!
There is also no question that they are expensive and not "affordable to lose" for a newer player. You also need fairly good fitting skills - especially if you intend to use T2 launchers.
Another ship you may want to consider since it has a decent drone capability and uses your missile and shield skills is the Minmatar Bellicose.
Another option is the Gnosis - at 60 million it is a bit more expensive that normal T1 battlecruisers but it leverages all your existing skills and is bonused for drones. Gnosis will easily handle level 3 missions. |
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.08.07 14:24:39 -
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Do Little wrote:Another ship you may want to consider since it has a decent drone capability and uses your missile and shield skills is the Minmatar Bellicose.
Oooo, that one does look damn nice on paper and she's not real expensive either.
Quote:Edit: The Gurista ships have a huge role bonus for drones - For the Worm, each drone is equivalent to 3 normal drones.
I know. But the cost differential between the pirate ships and ships with larger drone bays is huge - I don't think it works out in a purely monetary tradeoff. You can just use MOAR DRONES on a cheaper ship. There's no benefit in being able to use a smaller number of drones, is there?
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Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.08.07 14:29:00 -
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Also I'm kind of disagreeing with the earlier poster that said my drone skills "suck." No, they're not all maxed out, but I've got Drones to V and Light and Medium and Avionics to 4, and all the support stuff to 3. O_o
No, I don't have the specializations yet, but where I'm at, I don't "need" them. |
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.08.07 14:48:48 -
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Also, for anyone thinking "he's a f'ing n00b, he has no idea wtf he's going to want do to, wtf is he asking about this specific area of gameplay!?!?" - it's like this.
Anyone that is an MMO generalist (someone who plays/has played lots of MMOs) will get this. Here's my main characters in a sampling of other MMO's I've played:
UO - tamer (actually had 4 GM tamers O_O )
EQ - Necro (and then a Beastlord when they were added)
WoW - Hunter, Warlock
EQ2 - Necro
AO - Meta-physicist
LOTRO - Lore-master
WAR - Squig herder
See a pattern yet? :D
I realized, EVE has drones!!!!!!!ten They're pets. Yup.
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Pax Deltari
R3d Fire
31
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Posted - 2015.08.07 15:09:10 -
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No you're wrong. Im sorry dude but your drone skills are terrible. You need the specializations so you could use T2 Drones. You need to get those and the support skills up higher. "Need" means to have the best results. its a substantial difference and will make your life a lot better.
You seem to not understand how drones work either. The worm fields less drones but they are A HUGE AMOUNT stronger than any other ship fielding two drones. Because of the worm's bonuses you do more damage than you would flying any other drone boat and you would finish missions faster.
Lastly... Drones are pets. I have a Gecko that I've had for weeks of deployment. I love it like a child. |
Do Little
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
95
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Posted - 2015.08.07 15:19:48 -
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I fly the SOE Epic Arc every 90 days or so to keep my standing up. I used to use a Bellicose and it is an excellent ship - highly recommended. I now fly a Worm for the Arc and for running anomalies. You can watch JonnyPew run DED sites in a Worm here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLsthVSj0q0 This is shiny and high skill but gives you an idea of what the ship is capable of. However you look at it - the Worm is a lot of fun to fly.
Gila has a 500% bonus to both hitpoints and damage for drones. With fairly modest skills I have a cap stable fit with over 700dps, 50K ehp and 325 dps passive regen. I sold my Rattlesnake and now use the Gila for level 4 missions.
NPC rats will attack you drones and standard issue don't have a lot of hitpoints - that 500% bonus makes a big difference. Like having a pair of assault frigates in your drone bay!
I don't recommend you buy one of these until you can afford to lose it but, if you like drones, put them on your wishlist! |
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.08.07 15:24:23 -
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Pax Deltari wrote:No you're wrong. Im sorry dude but your drone skills are terrible. You need the specializations so you could use T2 Drones.
I don't even have enough standing with anyone for L2 missions yet, so I don't need T2 drones yet.
We don't actually disagree, we just define "suck" differently. I would call "suck" only have Drones I and none of the support skills. :D
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Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.08.07 15:25:19 -
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Do Little wrote:I don't recommend you buy one of these until you can afford to lose it but, if you like drones, put them on your wishlist!
They are on said list, it's just a long way off so I'd rather focus on near term.
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Do Little
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
95
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Posted - 2015.08.07 15:53:28 -
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T2 light drones is a 4 day train and well worth it. Your other skills at 3 are OK for now. I'd take navigation and sharpshooting to 4 - that's less than 2 days and gives a useful boost to speed and accuracy - meaning they deal more damage and take less.
You're also going to want hull upgrades and weapon upgrades to level 4 - will let you fit Damage Control Unit 2 and T2 weapon upgrades like Ballistic Control 2 and Drone Damage Amplifier 2. Your shield skills will already let you fit a T2 tank.
Pick a faction, run the career missions: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Tutorials_-_Opportunities_and_Career_Agents_in_EVE_Online
and the SOE Epic Arc: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_Stars
you will have enough standing to run level 2 missions and will likely only need 1 storyline to get level 3 |
Silver Grab
Cosmic Sanitarium
1
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Posted - 2015.08.07 17:27:11 -
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I am sorry, but Gila is the way to go. Get a plex if you have to but get a gila... just sitting in the ship is almost guaranteed 400+ dps with 2 drones.
Gallente ship you would have to have about 5 million SP to reach that.
The 2 drones are just ridiculous. on a worm the 2 drones regularly do wrecking shots above 800 dmg each. gila I have gotten 1800 to 2000 shots and on my rattlesnake with a gecko the biggest hit is has done is 4994 dmg in a single shot.
The role bonus doesnt require anything but for you to sit in the ship and the ship will grow with you.
The caldari bonus improves your tank a lot. The gallente bonus ups you missile damage (if you even bother shooting them)
in null sec I solo serpentis havens in my gila while never firing a single missile.
Buy the one ship.... do level 1 up to level 4 missions in it, do exploration, move to null. You can do anything in the damn ship.
This ship is terribly OP for a noob... a 1 week old player could be in the gila with 400 to 500 dps that grows as you improve your skills. |
Pax Deltari
R3d Fire
31
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Posted - 2015.08.07 18:43:10 -
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Vendraen wrote:Pax Deltari wrote:No you're wrong. Im sorry dude but your drone skills are terrible. You need the specializations so you could use T2 Drones. I don't even have enough standing with anyone for L2 missions yet, so I don't need T2 drones yet. We don't actually disagree, we just define "suck" differently. I would call "suck" something like only having Drones I and none of the support skills. :D
Ignore the person speaking above who told you to get a plex to buy the gila. That is really bad advice.
Let me restart.
I apologize for what I said earlier. I did not understand that you were doing level one missions my perspective for mid and low level PvE is very different from yours and I forgot about that. In fact I thought you were doing Level 3 and Level 4 missions and my advice was geared towards that. I would bet you definitely dont have the money for a GILA and you definitely don't have the money for a pirate worm. So let's go back a little bit.
A drone boat for running level one missions effectively? You're going to want either a Tristan or an Algos. They are both "Drone" ships that are very effective for running missions. In fact the Algos can do many L2 missions as well with a proper fitting. Not to mention that skilling down the Drone tree with the Algos will set you up perfectly for the Vexor which is the signature Drone Cruiser which can completely demolish L2 missions and even some L3 and Null sec missions/sites. Then you follow the path Tristan -> Algos -> Vexor -> Myrm -> Dominix/Ishtar/VNI
After you master those ships you'll be able to move on AND afford to buy ships like the Gila, Rattlesnake, and other "High" level ships. So what is the next step you should take? Well deciding if you want to start with the Algos or the Tristan and fitting it up correctly. Its a very easy ship to fit and I'll post a fit for you below. If require any other help or have other questions feel free to Eve mail me or just continue posting in this forum thread.
[Tristan, Tristan fit] - Easy Tristan fit that is really cheap and would work for level one missions. Just orbit the bad guys at about 7 kilometers and shoot them with your guns and drones!
Small Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Damage Control I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Cap Recharger I
Cap Recharger I
1MN Afterburner I
125mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge S
125mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge S
[Empty High slot]
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I
Hobgoblin I x5
[Algos, Algos fit] - Simple Algos Fit. Honestly I would recommend the Tristan. You'll only be using these fits for a few days until you're able to get into the Vexor cruiser. That's when the fun really starts!
Type-D Restrained Capacitor Flux Coil
Type-D Restrained Capacitor Flux Coil
Type-D Restrained Capacitor Flux Coil
Medium Neutron Saturation Injector I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
125mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
125mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
125mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
125mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
125mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
[Empty High slot]
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead I x2
Hobgoblin I x3
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Pax Deltari
R3d Fire
31
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Posted - 2015.08.07 18:44:29 -
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Silver Grab wrote:
to surpass the gila would be something like the ishtar which would require about 3 months of training to even fly it, and costs about the same as the gila.
Lol Ishtar surpasses the Gila. That's a good one mate. Cute indeed.
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Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.08.07 19:24:21 -
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Pax Deltari wrote:
Ignore the person speaking above who told you to get a plex to buy the gila. That is really bad advice.
Let me restart.
I apologize for what I said earlier. I did not understand that you were doing level one missions my perspective for mid and low level PvE is very different from yours and I forgot about that. In fact I thought you were doing Level 3 and Level 4 missions and my advice was geared towards that. I would bet you definitely dont have the money for a GILA and you definitely don't have the money for a pirate worm. So let's go back a little bit.
I can get a Vexor pretty soon, yeah, and like the look of it on paper.
Just need a couple extra skills for it but those are easy. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
421
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Posted - 2015.08.08 01:25:40 -
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Vendraen wrote:I know. But the cost differential between the pirate ships and ships with larger drone bays is huge - I don't think it works out in a purely monetary tradeoff. You can just use MOAR DRONES on a cheaper ship. There's no benefit in being able to use a smaller number of drones, is there?
If all you are looking at is the drones then there is little reason to use a Worm over any other drones oriented frigate especially when ISK is a major factor as it seem like it is for you.
However when you can afford one I would agree with the others, yes the Worm is definiely worth the extra ISK. |
Whitelightrr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2015.08.08 03:33:01 -
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For now I would reccomend you set up to go the following route:
Algos (Gal Destroyer) > Vexor cruiser
for fitting them throw 1/2/3 drone damage amp 1 in the lows, an AB in the mids. Since you had been training Caldari you have a start on shield tanking which works well for the progression you'll want. For lv1&2 missions fit the above stuff then put a little tank on it since those early missions do not require much tank. The fit from the Algos will transition nicely to the Vexor. for lv3s just starting out dont be afraid to go heavier on the tank, until you get a feel for the missions/ship.
Run the Algos for lv1&2s while you skill up. By the time you're ready for lv3s or right before it you should be skilled into a Vexor which will do 2s&3 fine, but remember to take it easy in the first few lv3s. Especially if its the first time you bring out the Vexor.
Then ~2 months down the road you can pick the next step:
Battleship- Dominix
Cruiser - Gila
or a HAC - Ishtar
Given what you have trained so far the Gila fits in better, but the drones+shields+etc will transition well into all 3 ships. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2400
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Posted - 2015.08.08 04:40:48 -
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Don't stress it too much when it comes to the T2 drones anyways. You kind of want your support skills beefed up a bit before you go all willy nilly on them anyways, that way you'll lose them less often. They are kind of expensive for a newer player.
Once you can use them though you will love them long time.
Do resist the urge to purchase the shiny green drones. They perform very nicely, and each have their own advantages. Being kind on the wallet when they pop is not one of them.
Also, people like me who like to pay mission runners visits uninvited tend to home in on anomalous shiny things such as faction drones or named MTU's. They smell like more money than sense, and that's a hard bait to resist.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12243
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Posted - 2015.08.08 07:53:33 -
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Yeah, prolly rattlesnake. In your other thread you said missiles and missions etc (this isn't really cov-ops). There are a few ok drone boats in Caldari as you work your way up. You just don't get the heavy drone bonus on your way up, but adds to missiles. And really, your drone skills are very low at this point. Personally I really like to use EWAR drones a lot. mixed in anyway, but then 2 out 3 of my characters are Caldari.
Vendraen wrote:UO - tamer (actually had 4 GM tamers O_O ) Dang dude, before they made it easy? It took me over a year to 7xGM a tamer, from daily power hour (you're first hour you had best chance to raise skills). It really sucked when they nerfed it, then made it so easy it could be GM'ed in days. They really screwed that game up in a lot of ways, especially after AoS it went down hill quickly 
bah luck suits and BODs 
I already had EQ, didn't need another one.
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Nnezu
Artificial Memories
14
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Posted - 2015.08.08 10:09:57 -
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Vendraen wrote:Pax Deltari wrote:No you're wrong. Im sorry dude but your drone skills are terrible. You need the specializations so you could use T2 Drones. I don't even have enough standing with anyone for L2 missions yet, so I don't need T2 drones yet. We don't actually disagree, we just define "suck" differently. I would call "suck" something like only having Drones I and none of the support skills. :D
Especially as a newbro, you'd be better off running DED sites in highsec or even look for them in some of the quieter lowsec pockets. The content 2/10s and 3/10s provide can easily be run with an algos/catalyst and unlike missions, you get viable odds at decent payouts (DED sites you scan down got a bunch of mini bosses with oddds to drop loot worth 30mil a piece)
If you're running those in gallente space, you can avoid damage in those sides entirely by keeping around 10-15km away from NPCs, they're that short-ranged ;) |
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.08.08 10:13:39 -
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Webvan wrote:Vendraen wrote:UO - tamer (actually had 4 GM tamers O_O ) Dang dude, before they made it easy? It took me over a year to 7xGM a tamer, from daily power hour (you're first hour you had best chance to raise skills). It really sucked when they nerfed it, then made it so easy it could be GM'ed in days.
The first one was before power hour existed, before the Trammel/Felucca split, before everything. It was a pain in the ass but worth it! The others were after the split and once PH was a thing but that was STILL an endurance test getting Taming to GM.
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Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.08.08 11:10:03 -
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No one likes Bellicose, eh? |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2404
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Posted - 2015.08.08 11:37:24 -
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I don't know that I'd call that a drone boat really... I mean it can field 4 mediums, but if you're looking at them as a primary source of damage I'd imagine you would be more interested in something that has a hull bonus for them. It makes a pretty severe difference in their performance on the overall.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Jonas Kanjus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2015.08.08 19:36:47 -
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Vendraen wrote:Pax Deltari wrote:Just actually looked at your EvE board and I see that your drone skills suck and you need to work on those if you want to fly a drone ship. That's easily fixed. Thanks for the advice. So you're saying the Gila might be ok? :D
That's a serious understatement! The Gila is capable of running level 4 missions with the right gear and skills!
My inauguration date to EVE Online:
6/25/2005 8:24:57 AM UTC
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Do Little
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
101
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Posted - 2015.08.08 23:20:48 -
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Opinion on the Bellicose from a respected but now retired blogger: http://jestertrek.blogspot.ca/2012/12/fit-of-week-missile-pvp-bellicose.html.
The main advantage is that it leverages existing skills - allowing you to spend time training higher levels rather than new skills. In the long run it doesn't matter - you will eventually cross train for all 4 factions.
If you do fly the Bellicose, try to fit a target painter - it will make it a lot easier to kill frigates with medium weapons. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12288
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Posted - 2015.08.09 03:51:17 -
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Vendraen wrote:The first one was before power hour existed, before the Trammel/Felucca split, before everything. It was a pain in the ass but worth it! The others were after the split and once PH was a thing but that was STILL an endurance test getting Taming to GM.
Yeah I didn't train a tamer until just after the split. They put PH in especially to curve the constant macroing. Like I trained two mages (pvp scribe & a fisherman) and a warrior (hammer) before the split, and when hitting the mage shop there was always constant macroing going on in there (legal if attended). Less so after PH, which made certain skills very difficult to progress (though 8x8 still worked well in many cases).
Anyway, just thought I'd drop a good link to the rattlesnake http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Rattlesnake as something I mentioned and you'd probably find it a good choice for a long-term goal.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
430
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Posted - 2015.08.09 15:10:05 -
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Pax Deltari wrote:Silver Grab wrote:
to surpass the gila would be something like the ishtar which would require about 3 months of training to even fly it, and costs about the same as the gila.
Lol Ishtar surpasses the Gila. That's a good one mate. Cute indeed.
Ah but you miss the point. In many ways the Ishtar is a significantly better drones ship than the Gila.
The Gila bonuses medium drones only, while the Ishtar bonuses all sizes of drones to one degree or another.
The Gila cannot use sentry drones and in many cases those are superior to the mediums that the Gila can use, no wait while they travel to a target. Using the Ishtar I can and do kill targets before the drones from a Gila could even get to them.
The Gila has a very limited drones bay which further limits your choices in a mission, while the Ishtar has one of the largest drones bays in the game giving you many options that the Gila simply cannot offer.
And the list goes on.
There is nothing wrong with the Gila, it is a capable ship that serves people well and many enjoy flying it me included.
With regards to their use as mission ships one could make a strong case that either of these 2 excellent ships is the "best", when in reality and setting aside the personal preferences or dislikes they are for all practical purposes equal they just have different strengths and weaknesses.
Although I fly both my preference is for the Ishtar for larger drones bay which gives more flexibility, but primarily because of the sentry drones. |
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.08.09 17:18:37 -
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Well the issue of "how to afford the Gila" is a non-issue now thanks to an amazingly generous player I won't name here. WTF @ "EVE's community sucks." Yeah, wrong. O_o
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Arcos Vandymion
White Beast Inc.
97
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Posted - 2015.08.12 07:47:49 -
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Vendraen wrote:O_o
Going to be a damn,damn long time before I can afford a Gila.
My mentioning of "low and mid level PvE" should clue you in that a quarter of a billion ISK (just for the hull!) might be a little out of my price range. :D
The difference between the dirt cheap again Myrmidon at 50m and the Gila at 270m is a freighterload of skillpoints.
The Myrm- is armortanked - aka only active
- has a single damage bonus - it needs pretty good drone skills
- can bring about three flights of drones (2 sentry sets or a sentry+meds+2lights)
- is dirt cheap
The Gila- is shieldtanked - passive or active both work well due to resist bonus
- has most of its damage inbuilt into the hull in the form of the MASSIVE drone damage bonus
- can bring five flights of drones
- has a missile damage type bonus indipendant of weapon size - use RLML
- goes faster
- aligns faster
- locks faster
- locks farther
- doesn't look like a Rorschach test
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Anize Oramara
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
293
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Posted - 2015.08.12 08:40:50 -
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Donnachadh wrote:
The Gila has a very limited drones bay which further limits your choices in a mission, while the Ishtar has one of the largest drones bays in the game giving you many options that the Gila simply cannot offer.
This is incorrect. The gila can carry a full flight of every race's drones AND a flight of lights (though I wouldn't recommend it, just take another set of hammers). This means the Gila has MORE choice in damage type than the ishtar. Not to mention that the ishtar requires FAR more skills to perform at the same, never mind better, level than that of the Gila. DPS, at all 5 is nearly identical (rapid lights vs Rails) and the Gila's medium drones can go as fast as 3 750 m/s (valks) without any modules or rigs and have better damage application (smaller sig weapons, better tracking). Gila is also faster and more flexible (utility high for example)
The Ishtar is an amazing ship, no doubt, but the Gila is very much its equal or even it's superior in some things. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
438
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Posted - 2015.08.13 14:57:30 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:This is incorrect. The gila can carry a full flight of every race's drones AND a flight of lights (though I wouldn't recommend it, just take another set of hammers).
The Ishtar will see your 4 flights of medium drones and a few measly lights then raise it.
If I want I can carry 1 flight of every races medium drones as well and still have 175m3 of unused drones bay space and that equates to a flexibility that the Gila simply cannot match.
Or in a more normal mission load out I can carry two full flights of sentry drones, a full flight of mediums, a full flight of lights and still have room left for a few maint bots or whatever else I want to carry. Again this offers a flexibility in missions that you cannot and never will be able to match with the Gila.
Anize Oramara wrote:This means the Gila has MORE choice in damage type than the ishtar. Not to mention that the ishtar requires FAR more skills to perform at the same, never mind better, level than that of the Gila. DPS, at all 5 is nearly identical (rapid lights vs Rails) and the Gila's medium drones can go as fast as 3 750 m/s (valks) without any modules or rigs and have better damage application (smaller sig weapons, better tracking). Gila is also faster and more flexible (utility high for example)
You have a valid point that the Gila's missiles offer more flexible damage types. But then the superior flexibility in drones load outs made possible by the larger drones bay virtually nullifies this advantage.
Missiles versus armor skills are about equal so that one is a non-object.
The Ishtar require Gal cruiser to 5 and HAC skills.
The Gila requires both Gal AND Caldari cruiser to 5.
So in the end and for new pilots the skills required to maximize either ships abilities are about equal.
The Gila does not bonus a drones speed, that is affected by skills, rigs, modules and implants so your supposed drones speed advantage is a complete non-issue since all of those things can be applied to the Ishtar as well.
Again the Gila does not bonus the drones tracking or speed capabilities so the Gila has no advantage. Any advantage you have or think you have are based solely on skills, rigs, modules and implants and all of those would affect the Ishtar as well.
Again you have a vaild point the Gila has a faster base speed 195 versus 185. Again the Ishtar's larger drones bay renders this advantage almost meaningless, while you are running off to a target I simply launch sentry drones and commence to kick ass.
The Ishtar has a utility high as well. At least I think that is what they would call it, last night when running some missions with a corp mate mine had 3 auto cannon and remote armor rep in the highs so perhaps this is not as much of an advantage for the Gila as you think it is.
The only real advantage the Gila has is in drones durability. At maxed skills and using the same modules and rigs the total hit points is essentially the same, the Gila concentrates those hit points into 2 drones while the Ishtar spreads them out over 5. Again the larger drones bay and the flexibility that offers renders even this advantage virtually worthless. As an example while your mediums are taking damage running to a target the Ishtar's sentries are already shooting at the targets and those sentries have more hit points than your mediums.
As I said in my last post neither is better, they have different strengths and weaknesses and it is up to the pilot to decide which is better for them. I fly both, I like both of them and I am glad I have both, but if I was forced to choose just one I would take the Ishtar simply because of the greater flexibility that large drones bay offers. |
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.08.13 15:14:47 -
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A great comparison between 2 very nice ships.
(Oddly enough, though I was gifted a Gila, I found it kind of boring to use; I didn't like it at all. So I sold it. :D )
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elitatwo
Eve Minions
Poopstain Removal Team
806
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Posted - 2015.08.13 17:20:46 -
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Vendraen wrote:A great comparison between 2 very nice ships.
(Oddly enough, though I was gifted a Gila, I found it kind of boring to use; I didn't like it at all. So I sold it. :D )
I ran some level 1 missions in my Raven and found it boring but in your case that is not that far of. You basically shoot flies with a minigun.
Yes that works and you will kill the flies but a minigun, really?
Here's a hint, that monster of pirate ship that used to be terrible for a decade will be able to handle a lot more difficult situations.
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Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.08.13 17:25:09 -
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elitatwo wrote:
I ran some level 1 missions in my Raven and found it boring but in your case that is not that far of. You basically shoot flies with a minigun.
Yes that works and you will kill the flies but a minigun, really?
Here's a hint, that monster of pirate ship that used to be terrible for a decade will be able to handle a lot more difficult situations.
More like a 105mm howitzer vs. gnats, but your point is valid.
It's fine, I'm new, and I didn't pay for the ship, and now I have a **** ton of ISK sitting in wallet. Will I regret the sale? Probably, but I just didn't dig that Gila. |
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Lantyss
Henthell Corporation
37
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:13:58 -
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So.... what is a good mission fit for that ship....oh, what's its name .... the Gila? Great thread, BTW
Thanks!
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
650
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Posted - 2015.09.17 08:14:11 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Fine... Algos and Dragoon work fine for low end stuff, as do the Arbitrator and the Vexor.
Myrm or Prophecy for mid range stuff.
Gila, because... Gila.
The funny, sad thing is that a Worm can get significantly more drone DPS than either destroyer. 2 DDA's will give you ~220 DPS with hobs; I imagine you could set up a fit with a cheap deadspace shield booster and cap mods to run low level missions and combat sites easily.
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
1024
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Posted - 2015.09.17 09:10:22 -
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The Gila gets pretty exciting when you do level 4s with it.
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John Ratcliffe
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
288
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Posted - 2015.09.17 11:31:15 -
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Vendraen wrote:O_o
Going to be a damn,damn long time before I can afford a Gila.
My mentioning of "low and mid level PvE" should clue you in that a quarter of a billion ISK (just for the hull!) might be a little out of my price range. :D
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John Ratcliffe
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
288
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Posted - 2015.09.17 11:37:02 -
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Ahed Sten wrote:Oh. I didn't see where you mentioned PVE. Disregard my statement about the Tristan, then.
Eh?
The Tristan is massively OP for Lvl 1s. 3 x DDA with 5 x Hob II = utter Lvl 1 carnage. Speed tank 4tehwin.
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Forum Toon
State War Academy
Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2015.09.17 21:38:01 -
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you want to pve with drones you got 3 choices,
Gallente (mixed with hybrid turrets)
Amarr (mixed with... well mostly energy types of eWar so you can use whichever weapon you want)
Gurista (mixed with missiles).
I tried Rattlesnake with RHML in the past using single Gecko drone... it was evil...
Vexor for L2 \ Myrm for L3 and Potato for L4 is cheap man choice.
Amarr ship due to lack of weapon bonuses allows you to use missiles or projectile weapons instead if you prefer.. not my cup of tea.
thought the Geddon Navy issue with sentry drones is evil choice indeed. |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.09.17 21:59:06 -
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Wasn't Ishtar nerfed recently? |
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