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Otsdarva IV
Dirt 'n' Glitter Local Is Primary
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Posted - 2015.08.09 03:21:06 -
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Hello.
This is going to be a serious post. I don't really like serious posts, but our friends in Ushra'Khan are going through some very rough times at the moment and need a bit of a 'grounding' post to keep them going. I am trying to help them out, my words may seem critical at times but please think before you post.
Recently, this came through my (or my alts' ) evemails: http://pastebin.com/YK09AX9n
As you can see, Mizh is asking a lot of questions and making a lot of accusations. I hope to explain them all in this post.
Keep in mind that while this is an Ushra'Khan alliance mail, a lot of the following statements can be applied to 90% of the minmatar militia. (No, not you Goats ur CHILL AS best bad guys).
So let's begin!
So, this is a bit of an angry mail to the entire alliance, because I am starting to get a bit angry about this.
Already off to a great start. 'I'm getting mad because there's nothing I can dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo to stop sucking!... in this videogame'.
Letting the whole world know that you're really mad at your 500 man alliance for any reason is bad. It's an issue of restraint, and as a result reflects on the way you play the game. When it comes to the minmatar militia, it's not an individual pilots' problem. Most of them have no problem keeping their head down when they do something dumb, but let's look at a couple of the ones who don't.
Aghy - Docklite Brigade Kalo ASSISKOLD - Something dumb Angus Ritchie - Scrapheap 'lost his Mojo' (No longer in the militia, but for the last year had some kind of more active presence in it)
These are the big 3, I don't want this to go on for too long so I'll leave it at them.
Aghy
This one is quick, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5665877
'When you can't beat them in spaceships you should blame everyone but yourself'
- Erwin Rommel
There's really not much to say about hypocrites either, but if you're going to ***** about being headshot and then proceed to attempt the same thing for every fight from then on, keep your voice down.
Kalo ASSISKOLD
Kalo likes to form blobs of kitchen sink frigates and destroyers and run from anything looking like a doctrine even when it has half their numbers. Retributions are pre easy to kill m8
This risk aversion (Yes, that term) is an extremely cancerous mentality to have when you're trying to 'rally the troops'. #nomedal is just a hashtag, it's a long term operation that was developed well before the minmatar started an 'organized' push for the warzone. I'm going to leak a conversation I had with one of our allies back in March:
shiva [11:54 AM] like a bunch of naugs should do the trick
miloc [11:55 AM] the issue with that is there's no intention of the slaves to fight us running that
otsdarva [11:58 PM] it's an issue of organization, they don't want to look like they're forcing anyone to do anything they don't want to
nikolai [12:00 PM] we can do it, it's just that it'll be a boring couple of months at this rate
otsdarva [12:01 PM] i'm all for holding out on it and waiting for them to pick up momentum
otsdarva [12:01 PM] it's been a thing for as long as i can remember, farm fights and don't make any big pushes for systems
miloc [12:04 PM] yeah, i agree completely
shiva [12:07 PM] the one exception should be home systems, keep them at 0
miloc [12:48 PM] mmm
miloc [12:48 PM] good point
otsdarva [12:48 PM] sweet. i like this because at least we go into a campaign against a real opponent
Looks like this is wearing out already, and you guys still have 10 systems to go!
As you can see, we clearly weren't having fun with not only a lack of cohesion from our opponents in the minmatar militia, but also their fighting attitude. While this can be used offensively (grr goons) it also has consequences. Look at the FCs in the minmatar militia now, they're all old guard. There's no new blood who are willing to step up, it's a cultural problem.
Let's contrast this attitude with DnG and MCF1B. We're both quite similar, in that we both take fights we're sure we'll enjoy whether we win or lose. DnG can muster numbers in a fleet that displays cohesion and ability, and we're happy to fight outnumbered. MCF1B are the same, the difference is that when they do fight outnumbered they tend to win
I could dwell on this point for a long time, but I think you all get the picture.
Angus Ritchie
The slaves never do anything I actually cringe at in real life when it comes to local trashtalk. They like to keep it civil and related to in game experiences and events. I appreciate it, especially after spending the past year sharing local with Angus.
Angus has been chased out of the militia by people who aren't clearly insane, so this part is kind of a positive view on them. I'll leave a picture to describe angus and leave it at that.
Angus
I don't need to explain what kind of effect keeping someone like this around has on your militia so I'll just move on.
Almost at the end of my character limit and I've looked at one question. Great.
Ushra'Khan has a history. Ushra'Khan has an identity that it has upheld for over a decade now... in name only.
So that doesn't make sense, but regardless what he's TRYING to say is more or less correct. Mizh is trying to say that the identity U'K has made for itself is not the one he wants it to have. Having 40 active members of a 400 man alliance isn't exactly the best identity though is it?
That doesn't mean it needs to be said, the stick approach doesn't really work when you're playing a video game.
tbc |
Otsdarva IV
Dirt 'n' Glitter Local Is Primary
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Posted - 2015.08.09 03:21:16 -
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
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Posted - 2015.08.09 03:45:38 -
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The Minmatar RP groups never were really relevant or influential, and that has actually hurt the CVA more than UK. RP requires interplay, and CVA has mostly had to play with themselves, while UK struts around after knocking down a Small Tower that was offline for six months.
Frankly, UK needed FW to stay solvent. So, no matter how bad they look now, they are still here and still strutting around.
Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.
I invented Tiericide
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Shiva Makoto
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
119
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Posted - 2015.08.09 04:06:09 -
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Good job leaking our top secret strategy Ratboi!
U'K you know it's bad when you force Ratboi to goodpost. I think what you said can be applied to all of Minmil except maybe Goats.
There are at least some new fc's that actually fight, Renee comes to mind. It's a really nice change to see.
#NOMEDAL |
Nikolai Agnon
Dirt 'n' Glitter Local Is Primary
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Posted - 2015.08.09 04:30:02 -
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You need more carrot to attract content creators, not more stick. Making your own members feel like crap for doing poorly does not make people want to play more. EVE is a game above all else, and people come to have fun. You certainly need all the resources you can get in order to be relevant, and members are the ultimate resource and the one that you should have more of, because muh underdog rebel slave, and because you have 400 members by count. Exploding ships is fun, even if they're sometimes your own.
We unironically want you guys to either disband U'K or man the **** up and play the game like it's meant to be played. Preferably, the latter. Isk and SP are not valid excuses for poor performance.
Lately there's been at least a little bit of improvement, but sweet heavens to Betsy do you guys need to step it up. The pendulum is coming back down and you better put on a show or you might as well play WoW, where you can do battlegrounds all day. |
Aphoxema G
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
404
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Posted - 2015.08.09 04:34:00 -
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I used to be really committed to TLF, but I had to leave twice because of the sheer toxicity and disorganization. It is not a good environment for people to succeed and develop as a community. They need more people who encourage respect and personal growth and stand against dumbassery to even their friends.
They need new leadership so, so bad. But they'll never rebel because they don't even realize the problem. |
SmokinJs Arthie
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
107
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Posted - 2015.08.09 05:07:45 -
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JUSTK is recruiting \o/. Plus everyone knows Gal/Cal WZ is where its at.
Justified Chaos is recruiting.
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
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Posted - 2015.08.09 10:08:49 -
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I'm not actually sure what you are trying to accomplish with this thread...it doesn't look like a blatant troll...this is some elaborate trick! Maybe TEST has had a deep and disturbing psychological impact on DnG?
This is either a form of psychological warfare where you are trying to publicaly discredit/demoralise the Minis or try and stem their recruitment efforts or you are actually trying to help them with advice...but making them look bad in public as a side effect?
Here is some advice from an ex-mini commander for Amarr Militia if you genuinely want to help ensure you maintain a viable adversary:
Drop some of the meta that frustrates Mini Mils organisation efforts. Spies on coms are not necessary if Mini Mil are performing as bad as you claim. Stupid moves like spies shouting instructions over the FC in the middle of a fight hardly encourages future content! (I know some new recruits do that anyway...but I know for certain some in Amarr Mil find it funny to do)
The spies that are all over the place could be used to subtlety try and help the Minis up their game, if you are genuinely interested in helping them.
The pendulum is potentially about to swing as you say. You should be thinking about why should Mini Mil fight instead of going on holiday?
If Mini Mil want advice then I am happy to chat...in private...to pilots I know. Free of charge of course. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2122
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Posted - 2015.08.09 10:49:23 -
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You are aware that the mail was mainly referencing something that had nothing to do with faction warfare, right? Which is why CTRLV/-HB- etc weren't named.
"The word of the Empress is the word of God, the will of the Empress is the will of God. Let no man seek to shirk his obligations before God and His chosen representative in this world."
-- Datna Jesebel, Principal Clerk of the Theology Council
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Svetlana Laknaya
Khushakor Clan
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Posted - 2015.08.09 11:01:27 -
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I don't rrally know all of the people you talk about (who is angus Ritchie?) but, as someone who has recently started to FC I can assure you not all people who FC are really old guard players. Also lots of people in unity know how to fit thie ships.
There are a lack of doctrines but, we are getting more organized and certainly plan on getting our medal. If you want to help min mil send new recruits my way and I will personally FC them to glory kicking Amarr's teeth in. |
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Milo Caman
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
148
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Posted - 2015.08.09 11:13:33 -
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Svetlana Laknaya wrote: Also lots of people in unity know how to fit thie ships.
snrrk
If this is the case then you lot need to start enforcing fitting discipline, because I've seen no evidence that the people who know how to fit ships are sharing this information effectively with the fleets they run, especially in UNITY. |
Aslon Seridith
Calibrated Chaos Habitual Chaos
386
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Posted - 2015.08.09 12:21:21 -
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Who are U'K?
pïí it's ASLON SERIDTH? | Minmatar Most Loved #1 | Gave Amarr a Medal | Orchestrator of BurnHuola'14 |
Author of: How to win FW in 3 months | Nullsec Bittervet | www.winmatar.com
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Varrinox
Last Whisper Habitual Chaos
124
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Posted - 2015.08.09 14:29:37 -
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We will see |
Otsdarva IV
Dirt 'n' Glitter Local Is Primary
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Posted - 2015.08.09 15:05:54 -
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Aslon Seridith wrote:Who are U'K?
this is the best post you've ever made. Asslong that isn't saying much |
Otsdarva IV
Dirt 'n' Glitter Local Is Primary
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Posted - 2015.08.09 15:22:11 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:I'm not actually sure what you are trying to accomplish with this thread...it doesn't look like a blatant troll...this is some elaborate trick! Maybe TEST has had a deep and disturbing psychological impact on DnG?
This is either a form of psychological warfare where you are trying to publicaly discredit/demoralise the Minis or try and stem their recruitment efforts or you are actually trying to help them with advice...but making them look bad in public as a side effect?
Here is some advice from an ex-mini commander for Amarr Militia if you genuinely want to help ensure you maintain a viable adversary:
Drop some of the meta that frustrates Mini Mils organisation efforts. Spies on coms are not necessary if Mini Mil are performing as bad as you claim. Stupid moves like spies shouting instructions over the FC in the middle of a fight hardly encourages future content! (I know some new recruits do that anyway...but I know for certain some in Amarr Mil find it funny to do)
The spies that are all over the place could be used to subtlety try and help the Minis up their game, if you are genuinely interested in helping them.
The pendulum is potentially about to swing as you say. You should be thinking about why should Mini Mil fight instead of going on holiday?
If Mini Mil want advice then I am happy to chat...in private...to pilots I know. Free of charge of course.
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' if you genuinely want to help ensure you maintain a viable adversary'
This isn't a thing. We fly what we want, it has nothing to do with individual fleet efforts but rather our goals in the long term. Farming fights has been our main objective for the past 6 months, and we've been pretty successful in that regard. Spilling the beans early either prolongs this or we get t5. Either way is a win and I'm happy both ways.
I think you're really overestimating the number of spies we have. I'll leave it up to you to work out what I mean by that, but there's only so much you can accomplish with a few line members and a director. You get to that point and any extras get redundant.
How's periphery? |
Shiva Makoto
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
121
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Posted - 2015.08.09 16:01:15 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
Drop some of the meta that frustrates Mini Mils organisation efforts. Spies on coms are not necessary if Mini Mil are performing as bad as you claim. Stupid moves like spies shouting instructions over the FC in the middle of a fight hardly encourages future content! (I know some new recruits do that anyway...but I know for certain some in Amarr Mil find it funny to do)
You clearly overestimate the effort we put into our elite spai network that may or may not exist. |
Aslon Seridith
Calibrated Chaos Habitual Chaos
386
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Posted - 2015.08.09 16:58:04 -
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Otsdarva IV wrote:Aslon Seridith wrote:Who are U'K? this is the best post you've ever made. Asslong that isn't saying much
And this is the best thread u ever made
pïí it's ASLON SERIDTH? | Minmatar Most Loved #1 | Gave Amarr a Medal | Orchestrator of BurnHuola'14 |
Author of: How to win FW in 3 months | Nullsec Bittervet | www.winmatar.com
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ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2015.08.10 00:01:52 -
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Topic Locked, pending investigation. |
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