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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
5
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Posted - 2015.08.16 21:15:37 -
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I too would prefer fewer high security systems... more low and nullsec relic sites please! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25679
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Posted - 2015.08.16 21:19:28 -
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Rayne Jupiter wrote:Nope, all veteran players are completely biased in regards to removing high-sec. Better? Only in the sense that the necessary words and the right forms are there GÇö you're no longer confusing a noun (or possibly a verb) for an adjective. The message is still as silly and bad as ever.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
14163
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Posted - 2015.08.16 21:19:45 -
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Rayne Jupiter wrote:Tippia wrote:Rayne Jupiter wrote:Nope, all veteran players completely bias! Would you like some verb-and-adjective dressing for your word salad? Nope, all veteran players are completely biased in regards to removing high-sec. Better? I still feel something is missing. English composition was never my forte, I had to take it twice D: Would you like some advice on losing your virginity?
Oh, this ought to be good. Popcorn time for the second time today.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Rayne Jupiter
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.08.16 21:27:17 -
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Tippia wrote:Rayne Jupiter wrote:Nope, all veteran players are completely biased in regards to removing high-sec. Better? Only in the sense that the necessary words and the right forms are there GÇö you're no longer confusing a noun (or possibly a verb) for an adjective. The message is still as silly and bad as ever.
Oh man, how is my sentence silly/bad? How would you right the sentence? /faceplam You never going to get laid if you continue to act so condescending! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25679
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Posted - 2015.08.16 21:29:49 -
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Rayne Jupiter wrote:Oh man, how is my sentence silly/bad? It contains an unspecified, faulty, and ultimately pointless generalisation.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Rayne Jupiter
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.08.16 21:39:14 -
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Tippia wrote:Rayne Jupiter wrote:Oh man, how is my sentence silly/bad? It contains an unspecified, faulty, and ultimately pointless generalisation.
I can see how the sentence could be a misinterpretation, but I take issue with your claim of it being unspecified and pointless. The sentence is relevant to this topic and specificity is given to the sentence by the words "high-sec" and "veteran".
Have you seen the movie 40 Year Old Virgin? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25680
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Posted - 2015.08.16 21:47:53 -
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Rayne Jupiter wrote:I can see how the sentence could be a misinterpretation, but I take issue with your claim of it being unspecified and pointless. It's unspecified because you've not specified the nature of the supposed bias, and it is pointless because of its sweeping nature. There is no such thing as a coherent GÇ£veteran sentimentGÇ¥, so accusing that heterogenous group of being biased is the same as saying that everyone is biased, which in turn means it no longer says anything worthwhile about anything.
GǪand that's before we even get into the issue with actually demonstrating whatever bias you wish to assign to this group.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Rayne Jupiter
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.08.16 22:14:34 -
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Tippia wrote:Rayne Jupiter wrote:I can see how the sentence could be a misinterpretation, but I take issue with your claim of it being unspecified and pointless. It's unspecified because you've not specified the nature of the supposed bias, and it is pointless because of its sweeping nature. There is no such thing as a coherent Gǣveteran sentimentGǥ, so accusing that heterogenous group of being biased is the same as saying that everyone is biased, which in turn means it no longer says anything worthwhile about anything. GǪand that's before we even get into the issue with actually demonstrating whatever bias you wish to assign to this group.
Jesus! Thank goodness for google. I think your rebuttal is tad bit convoluted. I don't know if your are trying to appear cool and witty by using such big words, but its not going to help you get laid. Saying "veteran player" is not the same as saying "everyone" as both have completely different definitions. While there is no solid division that determines when someone can be considered to be a veteran; the term does encompass a group of individuals that have a long experience with the game. Before you say long is a generalization just know its the time period after short, I guess.
I think you have two problems; you lack the ability to think in abstract; and you possess a lot of sexual tension.
PS: I have to meet someone for lunch. I will have to postpone this grammar lesson. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25683
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Posted - 2015.08.16 22:21:55 -
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Rayne Jupiter wrote:Saying "veteran player" is not the same as saying "everyone" as both have completely different definitions. It is when you make such a sweeping generalisation about an inherently heterogenous group. The only way for your assertion to have any meaning is if you're saying that everyone has some kind of bias, which rather makes it a pointless observation. It tells us nothing.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
479
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Posted - 2015.08.16 23:01:15 -
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Tippia wrote:Kinete Jenius wrote:So even when I take the number you provide you still call it dead wrong just because I"m the one that said it. No. When you take the number I provide GÇö the correct one GÇö and then try to make it sound as if is the same as the one you initially said GÇö the wrong one GÇö I'm going to keep saying that you are wrong. Only now I do it both because you initial number was laughably wrong, and because you are trying to cover up that bit of ignorance in such a laughably incorrect way. I'm not calling it dead wrong GÇ£because [you're] the one that said itGÇ¥; I'm calling it wrong because what you said was wrong, and because you're now trying to obfuscate what you actually said because you realised how wrong you were. Only when you take the number I provide and say GÇ£oh, I was wrongGÇ¥ will I stop calling you wrong. Oh, and when you do that, could you please also cough up the 1k+ DPS T1 cruiser fit?
Not to be a jerk, wouldn't want to step on your toes in that department.
[Thorax, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Drone Damage Amplifier II
[empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
Polarized Heavy Neutron Blaster, Void M Polarized Heavy Neutron Blaster, Void M Polarized Heavy Neutron Blaster, Void M Polarized Heavy Neutron Blaster, Void M Polarized Heavy Neutron Blaster, Void M
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Hammerhead II x5
And if you meant T1 modules, the best named weapons upgrades, two T1 rigs and T1 drones gets you to 960dps before implants.
So yes, technically it is relatively easy to get to 1000dps on a T1 cruiser.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
14164
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Posted - 2015.08.16 23:13:15 -
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Gotta say, I don't think "viable fit" when I hear "polarized guns and no mid slots".
That absolutely does not count as "relatively easy".
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25688
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Posted - 2015.08.16 23:20:02 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Gotta say, I don't think "viable fit" when I hear "polarized guns and no mid slots".
That absolutely does not count as "relatively easy". GǪnor is it a PvE fit using T1-weapons.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2015.08.16 23:55:15 -
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High sec must go, make all of New Eden low/null. Perhaps keep a small newbie area for characters 30days and younger. And by small I mean 3-10 systems. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
479
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Posted - 2015.08.17 00:06:49 -
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Tippia wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Gotta say, I don't think "viable fit" when I hear "polarized guns and no mid slots".
That absolutely does not count as "relatively easy". GǪnor is it a PvE fit using T1-weapons.
I was under the impression you were asking him for a 1000dps T1 cruiser gank fit.
If that wasn't the case, my apologies
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25693
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Posted - 2015.08.17 00:14:32 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:I was under the impression you were asking him for a 1000dps T1 cruiser gank fit.
If that wasn't the case, my apologies Nah, it all started with the claim along the lines of GÇ£gank dessies do about the same damage as a newbie-fit PvE cruiserGÇ¥, in response to a claim that they did BS-level damage, which spawned the counter-claim that such a cruiser would also do BS-level (1k+) damage.
Also, even if it were for ganking, one of the design goals of polarized weapons is that they aren't really viable in ganking due to the drawbacks and costs. If that thing was used anywhere near sentry guns, for instance, it would almost insta-pop and would have to rely on alpha damage GÇö not a strong suit for blasters, even in their polarized form.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
479
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Posted - 2015.08.17 01:10:10 -
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Tippia wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:I was under the impression you were asking him for a 1000dps T1 cruiser gank fit.
If that wasn't the case, my apologies Nah, it all started with the claim along the lines of GÇ£gank dessies do about the same damage as a newbie-fit PvE cruiserGÇ¥, in response to a claim that they did BS-level damage, which spawned the counter-claim that such a cruiser would also do BS-level (1k+) damage. Also, even if it were for ganking, one of the design goals of polarized weapons is that they aren't really viable in ganking due to the drawbacks and costs. If that thing was used anywhere near sentry guns, for instance, it would almost insta-pop and would have to rely on alpha damage GÇö not a strong suit for blasters, even in their polarized form.
Ah I see. I didn't follow the quote chain far enough back.
Yeah, I didn't say it was a good fit, just was saying it hit 1000dps with ease.
I disagree with his premise that ganking is "easier", it isn't, there are more tools available now than before but the mechanics were necessarily made harder in the same time. So somewhat easier, somewhat harder.
But anyways, no idea where this thread is going anymore, so I am going to bow out. See ya in the next one Tipp
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24795
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Posted - 2015.08.17 01:30:30 -
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Tippia wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:I was under the impression you were asking him for a 1000dps T1 cruiser gank fit.
If that wasn't the case, my apologies Nah, it all started with the claim along the lines of GÇ£gank dessies do about the same damage as a newbie-fit PvE cruiserGÇ¥, in response to a claim that they did BS-level damage, which spawned the counter-claim that such a cruiser would also do BS-level (1k+) damage. Also, even if it were for ganking, one of the design goals of polarized weapons is that they aren't really viable in ganking due to the drawbacks and costs. If that thing was used anywhere near sentry guns, for instance, it would almost insta-pop and would have to rely on alpha damage GÇö not a strong suit for blasters, even in their polarized form. The PvE cruiser fit in question by the way, used regularly to run anoms and escalations; I never said newbie-fit or especially cheap though.
[Vexor] 600 (unheated and paper) DPS with my alts skills, CN antimatter and the Gecko+2x Hammers
Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Medium Armor Repairer II Rat Specific Hardener II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link I, Tracking Speed Script Drone Navigation Computer I 10MN Afterburner II / 50MN Microwarpdrive II
200mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon 200mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon 200mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon 200mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hobgoblin II x4 Hammerhead II x2 Gecko x1 Hobgoblin II x1 Hammerhead II x3
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
1125
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Posted - 2015.08.17 01:33:53 -
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Christ man, the Gecko costs more than twice as much as the rest of the fit combined. ;) |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24795
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Posted - 2015.08.17 01:41:36 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Christ man, the Gecko costs more than twice as much as the rest of the fit combined. ;) I bought a shedload of them when they were new, I've doubled what they cost and still have around 20 left.
The Gecko only comes out if I'm taking down BC and BS NPCs, the Hobs are often more than enough for everything else.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2015.08.17 01:41:53 -
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Tippia wrote:*irrelevant nonsense*.
[Vigilant, DPS] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Tracking Computer II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hammerhead II x5
IT's a variation of a shield based fit for Vanguards. It's a t1 cruiser and it does +1000 dps without heat.
So since I answered your question how about you answer one of mine?
When was the time period where you were able to buy platinum insurance that would then pay out enough to cover the cost of the insurance, BS hull, and modules?
I really would like to know as the only thing I remember is the hull and part of the modules being covered. I know if ganking had been completely free through insurance that we would of ganked every day all day as isk was the only limiter for us. |
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
1126
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Posted - 2015.08.17 01:49:30 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Christ man, the Gecko costs more than twice as much as the rest of the fit combined. ;) I bought a shedload of them when they were new, I've made my money back a couple of times over and still have around 20 left. The Gecko only comes out if I'm taking down BC and BS NPCs, the Hobs are often more than enough for everything else. Good man. Wish I'd have had the foresight to get in on those things when they were like 12-15m each. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25694
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Posted - 2015.08.17 02:10:34 -
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Kinete Jenius wrote:[Vigilant, DPS] So not actually a T1-weapon T1 cruiser, then. It also seems to have a six-slot tank, rather than the promised one.
Quote:When was the time period where you were able to buy platinum insurance that would then pay out enough to cover the cost of the insurance, BS hull, and modules? Roughly between Quantum Rise and Tyrannis, but with the trend starting at the release of Revelations and really taking off around the release of Dominion.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2015.08.17 02:14:50 -
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Tippia wrote:Kinete Jenius wrote:[Vigilant, DPS] So not actually a T1-weapon T1 cruiser, then. It also seems to have a six-slot tank, rather than the promised one. Quote:When was the time period where you were able to buy platinum insurance that would then pay out enough to cover the cost of the insurance, BS hull, and modules? Roughly between Quantum Rise and Tyrannis, but with the trend starting at the release of Revelations. So your response is to move the goal posts. So when you're proven wrong you just keep come back changing the parameters of the discussion or distorting what was stated. I really figured that you could at least be intellectually honest about this one thing...
That is a wide spread of time that included the time when I was ganking on my original characters. I was not getting my insurance, hull and modules covered by insurance then.
Specific dates would be more helpful. As something like that would be severely broken and exploited heavily quickly. |
Painkill3r
Perkone Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2015.08.17 02:18:56 -
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Kinete Jenius wrote:As something like that would be severely broken and exploited heavily quickly.
Yes, it was profitable and widely exploited. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25694
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Posted - 2015.08.17 02:24:38 -
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Kinete Jenius wrote:So your response is to move the goal posts. You're confusing me with you. It was a T1 cruiser with T1 weapons from the very start, you knowGǪ hence why I suggested that you should look up the price limitation that you had missed. Maybe now you understand why your claim was dismissed as ridiculous?
Quote:That is a wide spread of time that included the time when I was ganking on my original characters. I was not getting my insurance, hull and modules covered by insurance then. Yes you were, unless you were overpaying for your ships.
Quote:Specific dates would be more helpful. As something like that would be severely broken and exploited heavily quickly. It was. First hit on google was this, before the mineral prices had dropped even further GÇö at that point, the profit was in an empty ship. Tyrannis put an end to it by making insurance based on market prices rather than mineral basket rarity.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2015.08.17 02:27:53 -
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Tippia wrote:Kinete Jenius wrote:So your response is to move the goal posts. You're confusing me with you. It was a T1 cruiser with T1 weapons from the very start, you knowGǪ hence why I suggested that you should look up the price limitation that you had missed. Maybe now you understand why your claim was dismissed as ridiculous? It was t1 cruiser with no mention of anything else module or implants.
[Vigilant, DPS copy 1] Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Imperial Navy Medium Armor Repairer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
[empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
Federation Navy Heavy Neutron Blaster, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Federation Navy Heavy Neutron Blaster, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Federation Navy Heavy Neutron Blaster, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Federation Navy Heavy Neutron Blaster, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Federation Navy Heavy Neutron Blaster, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
'Augmented' Hammerhead x5
Here toss some implants and that's +1000 dps without heat all t1 with one tank module. Can do 2s easily and could do most 3s if you actually used the mid slots for a prop mod and stuff.
EDIT : Hell the example provided by the person that made the original t1 cruiser comment has... t2 modules... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25694
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Posted - 2015.08.17 02:30:48 -
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Kinete Jenius wrote:t was t1 cruiser with no mention of anything else module or implants. GǪother than the T1 weapons.
So GǪ
Quote:[Vigilant, DPS copy 1] Federation Navy Heavy Neutron Blaster, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M GǪdisqualified on two counts.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2015.08.17 02:33:48 -
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Tippia wrote:Kinete Jenius wrote:t was t1 cruiser with no mention of anything else module or implants. GǪother than the T1 weapons. So GǪ Quote:[Vigilant, DPS copy 1] Federation Navy Heavy Neutron Blaster, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M GǪdisqualified on two counts. Thanks for confirming that you have no interest in a real conversation on this subject. Your only intent is to play stupid long enough to get me to give up.
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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2015.08.17 02:36:22 -
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Yeah but that post is an empty hull without rigs or modules. I already said I recalled the empty hull being covered and some of my modules.
I don't recall that fraud being allowed to last for long. Especially after people started posting on the subject.
So that means for a brief moment in the history of eve ganking was cheaper thanks to CCP. Now ganking is free thanks to CODE's supporters. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25694
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Posted - 2015.08.17 02:41:46 -
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Kinete Jenius wrote:Thanks for confirming that you have no interest in a real conversation on this subject. Your only intent is to play stupid long enough to get me to give up. No. My intent now is for you to deliver what you promised or, more likely, just admit you were vastly inflating this as well.
Fyi, Meta-8 is not T1 GÇö we'll just add that one to the list of things you're not familiar with.
Quote:So that means for a brief moment in the history of eve ganking was cheaper thanks to CCP. Now ganking is free thanks to CODE's supporters. It's still not free GÇö it's being paid for. We've been through this.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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