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Gouglash
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.08 01:43:00 -
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Let me start by saying this is not a thread about moderation, though I think the moderation in this matter was deplorable.
This is not a thread about GTC sales, though I think they create a lot of problems.
This thread is about what has happened to a very valuable member of our corporation, assumingly by someone who doesn't like him a very great deal.
This member runs 6 accounts. On 4 of those accounts, someone sent him ISK, then petitioned CCP that this ISK was for a GTC, and that he scammed this 'buyer'.
CCP has now banned those 4 accounts, and refuses to rescind the ban.
I know this is not absolute proof, but I have no doubt that this person wasn't involved in a GTC violation. I don't even think he sells GTCs.
So, is this the ultimate way to grief someone in Eve?
As fallout, the member has now decided to terminate his remaining two accounts. Others are fearing that, as there seems to be no way to rescind these bans, and that the attacks can be launched against anyone, that CCP is allowing anonymous-to-the-accused people decide who can and cannot continue to play Eve.
I fear that one day, I will kill someone NPCing, and this will happen to me. CCP will ban my accounts, and I'll have to quit the game.
And no, there were no mails sent to or from this 'buyer' before the incident. All that happened, was ISK sent, petition filed, accounts banned.
Want to grief someone? Send them 150m ISK.
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codepic
Mithril Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.08 01:52:00 -
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I doubt it can be possible. Just sending someone 150mil doesn't prove anything.
This is why CCP requires both the buyer and the seller of the GTC to send evemail about their intentions for the transaction to each other. Say, you send "I'm buying 1*90-day GTC @ 380mil" and the seller sends you "I'm selling 1*90-day GTC @ 380mil" BEFORE the transaction. This leaves a log on the server about the intentions to the trade and enables CCP to act upon scam suspects and even still, I doubt they will be too hasty on banning paying customers.
So what I think happened here, you'r pal just don't want to admit he was really banned for a reason.
Just sending someone ISK and then petitioning won't work. CCP isn't stupid.
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G'Kar Nomad
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Posted - 2006.12.08 01:58:00 -
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EVE-Online is really Grief-Online, so don't be surprised if CCP folks do nothing to stop it. Frankly, I strongly suspect EVE Dev Team members enjoy the griefing of other players, and that's why they encourage griefing in the game.
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2006.12.08 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: Big Al on 08/12/2006 02:01:21 tbh it sounds like your friend got banned for something else and fed you a line, if there is no proof of a buy/sell of a gtc there is no justification for a ban.
If there wasn't an evemail between the parties the GM acted inappropriately (probably wanted to get back to playing foosball).
However, I'd be all for banning GTC sales to fix this problem!
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Horst Schlemmer
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Posted - 2006.12.08 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: codepic CCP isn't stupid.
have a look over the new scanprobe gank / grief problems and tell that again
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Gabrielle Atrocity
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Posted - 2006.12.08 02:03:00 -
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Its tough luck gouglash... but if evemails were sent, then ccp can read them. CCP wont ban paying accounts unless they have solid proof they did something wrong. |
codepic
Mithril Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.08 02:04:00 -
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Edited by: codepic on 08/12/2006 02:04:22
Originally by: Horst Schlemmer
Originally by: codepic CCP isn't stupid.
have a look over the new scanprobe gank / grief problems and tell that again
LOL, CCP isn't stupid...
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Daddy's Belt
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.08 02:08:00 -
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Yeah, it sounds like your friend is a big liar.
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Vidar Kentoran
Minmatar Provenance.
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Posted - 2006.12.08 02:15:00 -
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Edited by: Vidar Kentoran on 08/12/2006 02:15:09 As others have noted, officially compliant GTC sales require that BOTH PARTIES send eachother an evemail detailing the terms of the transaction.
I find it extremely, extremely doubtful that GMs would ban anyone just for receiving ISK. That doesn't make sense. The evemail policy is there for a reason, to provide verifiability.
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Gonada
Gallente Cross Roads Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.08 02:21:00 -
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very simple really.
your friend is a big fat lier.
or there is no friend at all and your a troll
or... there is no friend, and it was you, and are posting this in a vain attempt to raise support for your doomed cause?
/wonders
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Jesters Knight
Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.08 02:21:00 -
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while i dont think they would ban over a GTC scam, i think that he may have given isk and said that he sold isk for RL money, there would be no way to prove or disprove that.
I dont think the GTC is a viable reason, however a RL money claim is.
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Redpants
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.08 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: G'Kar Nomad EVE-Online is really Grief-Online, so don't be surprised if CCP folks do nothing to stop it. Frankly, I strongly suspect EVE Dev Team members enjoy the griefing of other players, and that's why they encourage griefing in the game.
You do know that a great many of the DEV's are pirates in their spare time don't you? By day they code and assist in help channels and work along side the ISD, but when it's time to release some frustration, bring on the pegleg. _____________________________________________________________________ "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red." |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.08 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Redpants
Originally by: G'Kar Nomad EVE-Online is really Grief-Online, so don't be surprised if CCP folks do nothing to stop it. Frankly, I strongly suspect EVE Dev Team members enjoy the griefing of other players, and that's why they encourage griefing in the game.
You do know that a great many of the DEV's are pirates in their spare time don't you? By day they code and assist in help channels and work along side the ISD, but when it's time to release some frustration, bring on the pegleg.
Ginger Magician has got to be a dev- no one else can afford to sit infront of EVE for so long. My Money is on it being Ginger
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente Spectral Armada Eternal Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.08 02:51:00 -
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Not that we can talk about what the GMs do.. if you get a warning and such you cant tell people of it... but if i was to say that I am aware of 3 people who have had action taken against them very recently for buying isk online.... 1 was guilty but not from my alliance, another innocent in another alliance was hit... and i wasnt sure who to believe... i mean the GMs wouldnt just freak out without proof right?? maybe he was lying to everyone...
Then perhaps a member of my alliance had his wallet set to -8,000,000,000 after he was sent isk from our alliances CEO... the ammount was in return for a loan to buy a carrier... its been petitioned but... well... as with the petition i have to get my evemail fixed (cant send anything.. at all...) its still on the ignore pile.
So, being a small alliance... we're nerfed.
I use drones.. so maybe CCP have decided not to target me yet? i'd have to agree its causing me enough pain already.
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codepic
Mithril Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jesters Knight while i dont think they would ban over a GTC scam, i think that he may have given isk and said that he sold isk for RL money, there would be no way to prove or disprove that.
I dont think the GTC is a viable reason, however a RL money claim is.
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DropZone 187
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:14:00 -
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Or everyone has missed the somewhat devious apsect - the op is starting up a scam.
Seed the possibility, go tick someone off, get free iskies. Might work well tbh.
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Quick'Trader
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Quick''Trader on 08/12/2006 16:24:17
Originally by: codepic I doubt it can be possible. Just sending someone 150mil doesn't prove anything.
This is why CCP requires both the buyer and the seller of the GTC to send evemail about their intentions for the transaction to each other. Say, you send "I'm buying 1*90-day GTC @ 380mil" and the seller sends you "I'm selling 1*90-day GTC @ 380mil" BEFORE the transaction. This leaves a log on the server about the intentions to the trade and enables CCP to act upon scam suspects and even still, I doubt they will be too hasty on banning paying customers.
So what I think happened here, you'r pal just don't want to admit he was really banned for a reason.
Just sending someone ISK and then petitioning won't work. CCP isn't stupid.
I'm with codepic on this one Haveing sold a few GTC in my time i cannot think of any concievable reason a GM would ban an account just for receiving a few millions iskies. Remeber its OK to scam people thats why the GMs ask for emails or a forum thread to avoid situations just like this.
Wranglers guidelines on the matter can be found Here
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D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:23:00 -
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i can think of a way you could get someone banned but im not about to post it here.
anyone with above average IQ can figure it out ------------------------- I am a nobody of IMP my views are my own. |
Ciphero
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Ciphero on 08/12/2006 16:27:59 Sorry, I don't think I understand. How would 4 wallets receiving isk indicate a scam in any way? CCP has a clearly laid out process for GTC sales, and states that someone might not be reimbursed if they don't follow them - let alone have the scammer banned ..
I call bs, personally. |
Del369
Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:30:00 -
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Can i have his stuff ?
sorry had to, hope your mate gets sorted, sounds a bit strange mind, but heyi'm not gonna throw rocks in this glasshouse when i don't know the full story (lesson there for the rest of you testosterone dribbling little brats to)
Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!
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Rina Shanu
Computer-Aided General Exploitation
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Rina Shanu on 08/12/2006 16:33:13 I am selling you cheap GGTCS. Only 200mil for 60 and 100mil for 30. Oh I have a cheap offer of 10mil for a sample GGTCS of 5. Here is an example: GGTCS (row count 1) GGTCS (row count 2) GGTCS (row count 3) Send isk to me to receive your GGTCS.
To the OP: me knows CCP aint perfect but still.... your friend is full.
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D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ciphero Edited by: Ciphero on 08/12/2006 16:27:59 Sorry, I don't think I understand. How would 4 wallets receiving isk indicate a scam in any way? CCP has a clearly laid out process for GTC sales, and states that someone might not be reimbursed if they don't follow them - let alone have the scammer banned ..
I call bs, personally.
when you get banned CCP check for all acounts registred to you and ban them all not just the account that commited the offence ------------------------- I am a nobody of IMP my views are my own. |
Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:35:00 -
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"This member runs 6 accounts."
At least now he can clear up that issue with vitamin-D deficiency.
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:36:00 -
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If he his telling porky pies and I was CCP I would ban the other two. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig |
Verus Potestas
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:36:00 -
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I've noticed something, I know of several people who got banned for GTC scanning. And in every case, it wasn't their fault.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |
Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
when you get banned CCP check for all acounts registred to you and ban them all not just the account that commited the offence
You obviously have no clue. Thats whats supposed to happen. Remember that we dont live in your fantasy world though.
As for the topic: you are spot on, a variation of this was used against people in the past.
Wether this happened in your case i do not know.
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Too Kind
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:48:00 -
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I really hope that CCP finally make a website for those transactions that allow you to give gametime to another player for isk without exchanging the key in it's original form.
CCP should decide, if they want these trades or not and if yes, they should provide a reliable system for it. It shouldn't be that hard. The whole insecurity of those trades are the reason, why two my accounts are mostly inactive. I've lost trust in the system. Seems like a lottery. -------------------------- Post with your main !!!111 |
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Xorus
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:52:00 -
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While its sad to see a member of the community go for any reason the public forums are not the place to discuss ban's, if your friend has an issue with the ban then the best he can do is petition against it and ask to speak to a senior GM. ---
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