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Xsag
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.08 08:17:00 -
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ok so assault launchers - nice use standard missiles decent flight time not bad damage decent rate of fire, heavy missiles twice the flight time - slower rate of fire, heavy assault missiles.......(without special missile skills) 6km range (wtf????) damage is about 50% higher than standard missiles ok launch rate is nice but if im honest does anyone else think they should either change the stats OR just change their name to heavy rockets - cos i really dont think these are upto the name of heavy assault missiles (specially with that blast radius - they are even less effective against smaller ships than heavies (which with that sort of range your gonna have to get real close to those cruisers and up)
just think they are a bit rubbish any changes likely to be made to them?
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Marine HK4861
Caldari Seoltachd
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Posted - 2006.12.08 08:24:00 -
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I was wondering when the first post like this would turn up.
This sort of confusion was why I hoped CCP would rename Heavy Assault Missiles to Heavy Rockets before Revelations was released.
Heavy Assault missiles are larger versions of rockets and should be treated as such - ie close range, higher damage versions of their missile counterpart.
If you were in a battleship, you wouldn't use torpedos to hit smaller ships, you'd use cruise missiles. Likewise, don't use heavy assault missiles to hit smaller ships, use heavy missiles.
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Halleck Gurney
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Posted - 2006.12.08 08:45:00 -
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The only problem I have with the heavy assualt missiles is the explosion radius. It should be in line with the other missile combo's and have better stats than it's heavy missile brother.
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Robke
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Posted - 2006.12.08 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: Robke on 08/12/2006 08:47:04
Originally by: Marine HK4861
This sort of confusion was why I hoped CCP would rename Heavy Assault Missiles to Heavy Rockets before Revelations was released. If you were in a battleship, you wouldn't use torpedos to hit smaller ships, you'd use cruise missiles. Likewise, don't use heavy assault missiles to hit smaller ships, use heavy missiles.
Rockets have smaller signature radius than missiles. Renaming them to heavy rockets would be inconsistent.
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Xsag
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.08 08:47:00 -
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well yes but to be honest to hit smaller ships im always going to use standard missiles in assault launchers (being the most effective), i thought the heavy assault launchers would be a happy medium between standard missile and heavy missile but i was sadly mistaken - PLEASE RENAME TO HEAVY ROCKETS - the name is v misleading.
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Haffrage
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.08 08:53:00 -
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Rockets, like torps, aren't considered missiles despite being in the same skill tree and all that. I dunno the right word, some people say they're not guided missiles because the warhead is the front half of the missile or something. Either way, do we really want another missile class that has no modifications to its explosion radius? -----
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.12.08 08:56:00 -
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Yes.
Short-range, High-DPS missiles are "unguided" and have no modification to explo radius.
If you want to pwn smaller targets, fit heavy missiles.
They are, in fact, rather well balanced, with the stunning exception of Javelins, and I hope all the whiners crawl back under their rock. ----------------
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Xsag
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.08 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru Yes.
Short-range, High-DPS missiles are "unguided" and have no modification to explo radius.
If you want to pwn smaller targets, fit heavy missiles.
They are, in fact, rather well balanced, with the stunning exception of Javelins, and I hope all the whiners crawl back under their rock.
define smaller targets pls - granted im a relatively new player but i frequently find that 3 assault launchers with standard missiles do far more damage to fr class than 2 heavy missile launchers......and i do have skills in target prediction bombardment and projection..
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Derrys
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.12.08 09:05:00 -
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With the addition of Heavy Assault Missiles, there are now two parallel skill tracks for missiles:
1. Guided Missiles: Light Missiles -> Heavy Missiles -> Cruise Missiles
2. Unguided Missiles: Rockets -> Heavy Assault Missiles -> Torpedoes
I would've liked Heavy Assault Missiles to have an explosion radius on par with Heavy Missiles; after all, Rockets are more precise than their guided counterpart, and Torpedoes are less precise than theirs, so it would stand to reason that the one in the middle would fall in between those extremes.
Anyway, it's helpful to think of Heavy Assault Missiles as the missile version of medium blasters.
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Jennai
Ghosts of the Revolution The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2006.12.08 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Xsag
define smaller targets pls - granted im a relatively new player but i frequently find that 3 assault launchers with standard missiles do far more damage to fr class than 2 heavy missile launchers......and i do have skills in target prediction bombardment and projection..
hams have the same explosion radius/velocity as normal heavy missiles so they do crap damage to frigates.
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Nardon
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.08 09:47:00 -
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I might be missing something here but there is no unguided missile system in EvE afaik.
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Jennai
Ghosts of the Revolution The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2006.12.08 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Nardon I might be missing something here but there is no unguided missile system in EvE afaik.
rockets, torps, and hams are defined as unguided because they don't benefit from the guided missile precision skill. there are no actual dumbfire missiles that can completely miss a target, the only difference is with that skill.
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Xsag
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.08 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jennai
Originally by: Xsag
define smaller targets pls - granted im a relatively new player but i frequently find that 3 assault launchers with standard missiles do far more damage to fr class than 2 heavy missile launchers......and i do have skills in target prediction bombardment and projection..
hams have the same explosion radius/velocity as normal heavy missiles so they do crap damage to frigates.
yup which makes u ask the question what use are they unless ur gonna fit a specialised ship with afterburners (so u can get in close) which also has a good tank on it.... which is built just for targetting cr and up, which considering that heavy assault launchers use more grid than heavy missile launchers seems a bit wrong really
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Jobby
Minmatar Forty Two
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Posted - 2006.12.08 11:35:00 -
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"peh"...that's a new one
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Xsag
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.08 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jobby "peh"...that's a new one
yeah well it gets the message across dont it
:P
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.12.08 14:11:00 -
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HAML is bull***. Too short range for sluggish Caldari ships render them unusable in PvP dogfight. Look Deimos, why it is not so good as Vaga? Deimos is sluggish. But CCP do not understand this. Usual heavy missiles are better. --------------------------------- Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS. R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
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Xsag
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.08 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa HAML is bull***. Too short range for sluggish Caldari ships render them unusable in PvP dogfight. Look Deimos, why it is not so good as Vaga? Deimos is sluggish. But CCP do not understand this. Usual heavy missiles are better.
yer the big ships tend to stay at range while the fr tend to get inclose the heavy assault are useless against small ships and dont fire far enough to be useful against cr and above :<
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.08 14:17:00 -
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HAMs are the equivalent of a short range weapoon- the equivalent of blasters, for example.
What are the problems with blasters? Well for a start they have very short range- just like HAMs. They also have rubbish tracking- kinda like HAMs. Blaster ships need to fit AB / MWD- just like HAM ships.
If you don't like / can't fit for close range weapoons, the HAM isn't the missile for you. If you do decide to fit a caldari ship for speed (yes they're the slowest, but not cripplingly so- an MWD caldari ship is still faster than a non MWD anything else) thn HAMs are perfect. Minnys should like them, I bet. -----------------------------------------------
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Xsag
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.08 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 HAMs are the equivalent of a short range weapoon- the equivalent of blasters, for example.
What are the problems with blasters? Well for a start they have very short range- just like HAMs. They also have rubbish tracking- kinda like HAMs. Blaster ships need to fit AB / MWD- just like HAM ships.
If you don't like / can't fit for close range weapoons, the HAM isn't the missile for you. If you do decide to fit a caldari ship for speed (yes they're the slowest, but not cripplingly so- an MWD caldari ship is still faster than a non MWD anything else) thn HAMs are perfect. Minnys should like them, I bet.
to be honest i dont have a problem with the range its the blast radius (same as a heavy missile - rendering them effectively useless against fr)
(boo)
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.08 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Xsag
Originally by: Patch86 HAMs are the equivalent of a short range weapoon- the equivalent of blasters, for example.
What are the problems with blasters? Well for a start they have very short range- just like HAMs. They also have rubbish tracking- kinda like HAMs. Blaster ships need to fit AB / MWD- just like HAM ships.
If you don't like / can't fit for close range weapoons, the HAM isn't the missile for you. If you do decide to fit a caldari ship for speed (yes they're the slowest, but not cripplingly so- an MWD caldari ship is still faster than a non MWD anything else) thn HAMs are perfect. Minnys should like them, I bet.
to be honest i dont have a problem with the range its the blast radius (same as a heavy missile - rendering them effectively useless against fr)
(boo)
Theyre a cruiser sized short range weapon, they're meant to be rubbish against frigates. Cruiser sized blasters are rubbish against frigates too, you know. Blasters have absolutely appaling tracking considering their range, and trackking is the equivalent stat to blast-radius (roughly speaking). As is life with short range weapons. -----------------------------------------------
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Kamazani
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.12.08 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kamazani on 08/12/2006 14:31:47 i know this is gonna sound stupid, I'm not much into missiles as I am into projectiles. my question is, what makes rockets "unguided?" they fire just like cruise missiles. only difference between them is that rockets have a shorter range than cruise missiles do, but the rockets go whooosh eeeeeee <little dramatic curve then hang in the air> then BOOM! just like cruise but the "eeee" is much longer. --------------------------- by: GinoShin on 21/11/2006 11:41:44 whats evemon is it like a jamican wiseman? |
Xsag
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.08 14:43:00 -
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i think someone already posted an explanation for that in this thread dude
~n00b of all trades~ ~~Airkio~~ / ~~Muvolailen~~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ |
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