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DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:53:00 -
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HELL YEAH I'M MAD. WHY IS THE MYRMIDON MISSING A SLOT?
DRAKE: 21 HARBINGER: 21 HURRICANE: 21 MYRMIDON: 20
WTF
WHY? WHY CAN'T GALLENTE GET NICE THINGS?
/END AAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL CCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPSSSSSSS RRAAAAAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEEE |
Mimiru Minahiro
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:55:00 -
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I lol'd so hard I farted.
True story. |
Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
106
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:56:00 -
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Myrmidon is missing a slot because it's the only battlecruiser that can field 5 heavi... Oh wait lol. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1984
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Posted - 2011.12.09 01:15:00 -
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Because more mid/lowslots would make it tank too well, and more highslots would make it do too much damageGǪ
GÖÑ Myrm. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Aamrr
HnL Enterprise
175
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Posted - 2011.12.09 01:24:00 -
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The cyclone stole it. |
Teh Frog
University of Caille Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2011.12.09 01:28:00 -
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Aamrr wrote:The cyclone stole it.
Damn Minmatar. |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2011.12.09 01:31:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Because more mid/lowslots would make it tank too well, and more highslots would make it do too much damageGǪ GÖÑ Myrm.
Four years ago...
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
444
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Posted - 2011.12.09 01:53:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:HELL YEAH I'M MAD. WHY IS THE MYRMIDON MISSING A SLOT?
DRAKE: 21 HARBINGER: 21 HURRICANE: 21 MYRMIDON: 20
WTF
WHY? WHY CAN'T GALLENTE GET NICE THINGS?
/END AAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL CCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPSSSSSSS RRAAAAAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEEE
Because just like every wallente ship is made to die in a fireball with class.
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The Snowman
Aliastra Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2011.12.09 11:56:00 -
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it didnt want that slot anyway |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
3
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Posted - 2011.12.09 12:47:00 -
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Damn, man. You scared me; when I read the title I thought for a second CCP had removed a mid or something.
Anyways, I don't think the Myrm is hurting any because it has one less slot than the other BCs. The tank and damage output are pretty good depending on the fit, and it is one of the most versatile ships in EvE due to the slot layout and lack a gun bonus making lasers and projectiles viable armaments. |
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Acoustio
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.12.09 14:48:00 -
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It took an arrow to the knee. |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
347
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Posted - 2011.12.09 14:54:00 -
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Doesn't need it anyway. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ Get Out, Nasty Face ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Signature edited. Navigator. |
Dorian Tormak
P0ON
1
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Posted - 2011.12.09 15:27:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Doesn't need it anyway.
True story _____________________________
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Khrage
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 15:31:00 -
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Xindi Kraid wrote:...and it is one of the most versatile ships in EvE due to the slot layout and lack a gun bonus making lasers and projectiles viable armaments.
lasers on any non-amarr ship is full of win and beauty. i would give up a slot on any ship to be able to fit lasers and not be laughed at... |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
304
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Posted - 2011.12.09 15:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Because more mid/lowslots would make it tank too well, and more highslots would make it do too much damageGǪ GÖÑ Myrm.
Wait, unbonused gun does too much dmg? Oh, you mean after adding in the 3 drones...
Khrage wrote:Xindi Kraid wrote:...and it is one of the most versatile ships in EvE due to the slot layout and lack a gun bonus making lasers and projectiles viable armaments. lasers on any non-amarr ship is full of win and beauty. i would give up a slot on any ship to be able to fit lasers and not be laughed at...
Or put in AC. You know, the Winmatar weapon, to win. AC Ferox ftw. Not so much beauty though. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
148
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:22:00 -
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I'd really love to see a 7th low slot on the Myrm..... :)
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1991
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:31:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Wait, unbonused gun does too much dmg? They do enough damage, and a seventh one would add 17% moreGǪ
Oh, and it can field 5 drones, by the way. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
3
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:37:00 -
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Fun fact. One of my corp mates lamented the Myrm doesn't have 100 bandwidth. I was like, "O_o" |
Boris Ginnungagap
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:40:00 -
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Xindi Kraid wrote:Fun fact. One of my corp mates lamented the Myrm doesn't have 100 bandwidth. I was like, "O_o" It had 125. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
148
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Goose99 wrote:Wait, unbonused gun does too much dmg? They do enough damage, and a seventh one would add 17% moreGǪ Oh, and it can field 5 drones, by the way.
Myrmidon: 6 Highs [ 6 Turrets ] 5 Mids 7 Lows
125m^3 bandwidth
And it would still be the worst BC in the game by 50000 miles. CCP, please make this so.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Klown Walk
0nslaught.
10
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:54:00 -
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Because it doesn-¦t need more. |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:45:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote: Myrmidon: 6 Highs [ 6 Turrets ] 5 Mids 7 Lows
125mbs bandwidth 175m^3 dronebay
And it would still be the most versatile BC in the game without being OP by 50000 miles. CCP, please make this so.
-Liang
Fixed that for you... |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
148
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:52:00 -
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Wylee Coyote wrote:Liang Nuren wrote: Myrmidon: 6 Highs [ 6 Turrets ] 5 Mids 7 Lows
125mbs bandwidth 175m^3 dronebay
And it would still be the most versatile BC in the game without being OP by 50000 miles. CCP, please make this so.
-Liang
Fixed that for you...
But it'd be so cccooooooollll... I wants it! :(
(It might also be OP - I don't know)
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:56:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:Liang Nuren wrote: Myrmidon: 6 Highs [ 6 Turrets ] 5 Mids 7 Lows
125mbs bandwidth 175m^3 dronebay
And it would still be the most versatile BC in the game without being OP by 50000 miles. CCP, please make this so.
-Liang
Fixed that for you... But it'd be so cccooooooollll... I wants it! :( (It might also be OP - I don't know) -Liang
Agreed, CCP, make it so! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1994
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:06:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Myrmidon: 6 Highs [ 6 Turrets ] 5 Mids 7 Lows
125mbs bandwidth 175m^3 dronebay
And it would still be the most versatile BC in the game without being OP by 50000 miles. CCP, please make this so.
-Liang Fixed that for you... But it'd be so cccooooooollll... I wants it! :( (It might also be OP - I don't know) WeeeellGǪ 49999 < 50000, so you're safeGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Khrage
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:07:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Or put in AC. You know, the Winmatar weapon, to win. AC Ferox ftw. Not so much beauty though.
all you do is say winmatar wins wins wins no matter what you've got duct tape on your mind you can never get enough and everytime you say anything about eve everybody just says yeah yeah yeah winmatar wins sure whatever winmater wins everything else sucks cause you don't contribute at all at all at all and if anything but rust undocks...
... i think you get my point. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
148
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:09:00 -
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Khrage wrote:Goose99 wrote:Or put in AC. You know, the Winmatar weapon, to win. AC Ferox ftw. Not so much beauty though. all you do is say winmatar wins wins wins no matter what you've got duct tape on your mind you can never get enough and everytime you say anything about eve everybody just says yeah yeah yeah winmatar wins sure whatever winmater wins everything else sucks cause you don't contribute at all at all at all and if anything but rust undocks... ... i think you get my point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
121
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:24:00 -
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The myrm indeed needs to be able to actually use 5 heavies again to even be useful. Medium drones don't cut it. Give it 125 bandwidth and 150 or 175 drone bay and it will be feared in the same way as the hurricane, harbinger, and drake without being overpowered. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1995
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:33:00 -
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Shivus Tao wrote:The myrm indeed needs to be able to actually use 5 heavies again to even be useful. Medium drones don't cut it. Give it 125 bandwidth and 150 or 175 drone bay and it will be feared in the same way as the hurricane, harbinger, and drake without being overpowered. YeahGǪ Drake-level tank + 750 DPS isn't over the top at all and actually puts it on par with the DrakeGǪ
Humour. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
121
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Shivus Tao wrote:The myrm indeed needs to be able to actually use 5 heavies again to even be useful. Medium drones don't cut it. Give it 125 bandwidth and 150 or 175 drone bay and it will be feared in the same way as the hurricane, harbinger, and drake without being overpowered. YeahGǪ Drake-level tank + 750 DPS isn't over the top at all and actually puts it on par with the DrakeGǪ Humour.
Shhhh
We gotta sell it in a way ccp understands. |
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
149
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Shivus Tao wrote:The myrm indeed needs to be able to actually use 5 heavies again to even be useful. Medium drones don't cut it. Give it 125 bandwidth and 150 or 175 drone bay and it will be feared in the same way as the hurricane, harbinger, and drake without being overpowered. YeahGǪ Drake-level tank + 750 DPS isn't over the top at all and actually puts it on par with the DrakeGǪ Humour.
Who does more DPS at 70km? :P
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1996
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:40:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Who does more DPS at 70km? :P That would still be the ++bermyrm, but with a slightly different fit.
Still, at that point, Naga. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Aamrr
HnL Enterprise
177
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:42:00 -
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I believe an Oracle would out-damage a Naga at that distance. |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:42:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Tippia wrote:Shivus Tao wrote:The myrm indeed needs to be able to actually use 5 heavies again to even be useful. Medium drones don't cut it. Give it 125 bandwidth and 150 or 175 drone bay and it will be feared in the same way as the hurricane, harbinger, and drake without being overpowered. YeahGǪ Drake-level tank + 750 DPS isn't over the top at all and actually puts it on par with the DrakeGǪ Humour. Who does more DPS at 70km? :P -Liang
To be a bit more fair, how much dps is any myrm (current or proposed unnerfed) doing out to or even past warp disruptor range... |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Who does more DPS at 70km? :P That would still be the ++bermyrm, but with a slightly different fit. Still, at that point, Naga.
Never seen sentries used in pvp, i guess it's possible, unless you're talking about pve, in which case what the hell are we talking about pve for? |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
308
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Posted - 2011.12.09 23:56:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Tippia wrote:Shivus Tao wrote:The myrm indeed needs to be able to actually use 5 heavies again to even be useful. Medium drones don't cut it. Give it 125 bandwidth and 150 or 175 drone bay and it will be feared in the same way as the hurricane, harbinger, and drake without being overpowered. YeahGǪ Drake-level tank + 750 DPS isn't over the top at all and actually puts it on par with the DrakeGǪ Humour. Who does more DPS at 70km? :P -Liang
The "drake lvl tank" is niche active rep that's extremely vulnerable to neut and increasing worthless as blob size grows.
The "750 dps" is at short range with unbonused guns with most of it being drones that get killed, that is, if you remove dual/trip rep tank to fit dmg mods to buff those unbonused gun dps.
Even with 75mbit bandwidth increased to 125, Myrm is still crap outside of very specialized niche, under specialized situations. |
Manar Detri
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.12.10 00:07:00 -
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I really don't see anything wrong with giving taht 125mb and seventh lowslot, would actually make it rather fun. But i do say there ought to be no extra pg/cpu for the slot. And tbh, a triple repper would only rep 800 dps without implants and nor boosters and put out a measly 600 dps, which isn't all that much ;)
Or if you prefer passive, you could slap a 105k ehp tank on it ;P |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2011.12.10 00:31:00 -
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Surely the Myrm's missing slot would be better off being given to the Brutix instead? |
Rawls Canardly
Phoenix Confederation
7
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Posted - 2011.12.10 15:47:00 -
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a utility high would be nice on the myrmidon, outside of that I can't see a reason to add more to it. edit- or take one slot from the other boats. and add a mid or low to the t1 bc's... |
Emily Poast
The Whipping Post
42
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Posted - 2011.12.10 18:15:00 -
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Buzzmong wrote:Surely the Myrm's missing slot would be better off being given to the Brutix instead?
This! One extra low please. |
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Jesus Rambo
Friendship is Magic The Laughing Men
6
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Posted - 2011.12.10 21:37:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Khrage wrote:Goose99 wrote:Or put in AC. You know, the Winmatar weapon, to win. AC Ferox ftw. Not so much beauty though. all you do is say winmatar wins wins wins no matter what you've got duct tape on your mind you can never get enough and everytime you say anything about eve everybody just says yeah yeah yeah winmatar wins sure whatever winmater wins everything else sucks cause you don't contribute at all at all at all and if anything but rust undocks... ... i think you get my point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion-Liang
Jesus Christ Liang I love to hate you. You're my favorite person on the forums because of how much of a proper **** you can be. <3 |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2011.12.10 21:38:00 -
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How about a compromise? The myrmidon gets it's missing fitting slot (anything but a high slot preferably) along with a little extra pg and cpu, and only 5mbs extra bandwidth and 10m3 extra dronebay storage. Perhaps if i said "Pretty please?" |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
153
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Posted - 2011.12.10 21:41:00 -
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Jesus Rambo wrote: Jesus Christ Liang I love to hate you. You're my favorite person on the forums because of how much of a proper **** you can be. <3
Its only until I get drunk. Then I'm "the life of the party". Too bad I never remember my antics the next day...
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Jesus Rambo
Friendship is Magic The Laughing Men
6
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Posted - 2011.12.10 21:57:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Jesus Rambo wrote: Jesus Christ Liang I love to hate you. You're my favorite person on the forums because of how much of a proper **** you can be. <3
Its only until I get drunk. Then I'm "the life of the party". Too bad I never remember my antics the next day... -Liang
Those are the best nights. I want to know you :P |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
52
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Posted - 2011.12.10 22:08:00 -
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5 meds + 6 lows = 11
Drake: 6 meds + 4 lows = 10 Harbinger: 4 meds + 6 lows = 10 Hurricane: 4 meds + 6 lows = 10
If anything, Myrmydon has already got 1 extra slot for no particular reason.
Drones are there to do damage. Large drone bay means the ship has to give up some highs in exchange. Just like it currenly is. By why give it an extra (11th) slot in mid/low? A mistery...
I guess you guys don't remember how OP myrms were back in the days of powerful RSD's and their 5 sentries... 2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys. |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2011.12.10 22:28:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:5 meds + 6 lows = 11
Drake: 6 meds + 4 lows = 10 Harbinger: 4 meds + 6 lows = 10 Hurricane: 4 meds + 6 lows = 10
If anything, Myrmydon has already got 1 extra slot for no particular reason.
Drones are there to do damage. Large drone bay means the ship has to give up some highs in exchange. Just like it currenly is. By why give it an extra (11th) slot in mid/low? A mistery...
I guess you guys don't remember how OP myrms were back in the days of powerful RSD's and their 5 sentries...
I too, would like to arbitraily ignore an entire set of fitting slots to prove a faulty point.
Myrm: 6 high slots (based of off using 5 heavy drones which it cannot dp anymore...) Harbi: 8 highs / 7 turrets Drake: 8 highs / 7 launchers Cane: 8 highs / 6 turrets AND 2 launchers
Based off of the above alone (lol), the myrm is now missing TWO fitting slots...
Also, I flew myrmidons when they first came out, they were terrors...
Since then, the bandwidth nerf came along as well as the drone shield regen nerf (no more insta-docking/undocking your drones to full shields).
Sensor dampener nerf has nothing to do with myrms so I have no idea why you would bring them up unless you're using them as an 'I've been playing for who gives a crap how long and therefore my point is somehow more valid because of it' referrence. |
Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
128
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Posted - 2011.12.10 22:37:00 -
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It's true that myrms were OP back in the day, but a great deal has changed since then. Certain balancing issues at the time were necessary, but should be re-evaluated when certain other aspects of the game change. Otherwise you get previously powerful ships locked into a role of total uselessness after other ships get improved in some way independent of the initial rebalancing. |
Nor Tzestu
Assero Argentum
28
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Posted - 2011.12.10 22:41:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Tippia wrote:Shivus Tao wrote:The myrm indeed needs to be able to actually use 5 heavies again to even be useful. Medium drones don't cut it. Give it 125 bandwidth and 150 or 175 drone bay and it will be feared in the same way as the hurricane, harbinger, and drake without being overpowered. YeahGǪ Drake-level tank + 750 DPS isn't over the top at all and actually puts it on par with the DrakeGǪ Humour. Who does more DPS at 70km? :P -Liang The "drake lvl tank" is niche active rep that's extremely vulnerable to neut and increasing worthless as blob size grows. The "750 dps" is at short range with unbonused guns with most of it being drones that get killed, that is, if you remove dual/trip rep tank to fit dmg mods to buff those unbonused gun dps. Even with 75mbit bandwidth increased to 125, Myrm is still crap outside of very specialized niche, under specialized situations.
Or you could do what most people do when they say drake level tank. And you know...shield tank it. I realize it's your schtick to be deliberately obtuse in almost all things, but if you could refrain from sounding so clueless at times it would go a long way. How about you go eft warrior up a passive shield tanked Myrm then come back once you semi understand what your talking about.
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Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
382
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Posted - 2011.12.10 22:43:00 -
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I want my high agility, nos damp 5 heavy myrmidon back thanks. Not that I think it was in any way balanced. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ Get Out, Nasty Face ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Signature edited. Navigator. |
Emoclew
BAMF's
0
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Posted - 2011.12.10 23:23:00 -
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Nor Tzestu wrote:[quote=Goose99][quote=Liang Nuren] Or you could do what most people do when they say drake level tank. And you know...shield tank it. I realize it's your schtick to be deliberately obtuse in almost all things, but if you could refrain from sounding so clueless at times it would go a long way. How about you go eft warrior up a passive shield tanked Myrm then come back once you semi understand what your talking about.
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Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2011.12.10 23:25:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:I want my high agility, nos damp 5 heavy myrmidon back thanks. Not that I think it was in any way balanced.
Excellent point. Everything that made the myrmidon OP has been nerfed.
Agility? Nope, standardized, and not included in the hybrid buffs. Nos? Nope, better use a cap booster or two (bye bye meds) and neuts. Five heavy drones? Nope, so sayeth the bandwidth. Sensor damps? Nerfed to uselessness, get a tracking disruptor? Oh wait, you've either got cap boosters or shield mods there, nevermind. Instant drone shield recharge? Nope, hope you brought sparez. Nanos? Kiss multiple low slots goodbye to be close to 'lithe and agile'.
So now that we've seen all the things that when combined made the myrmidon of old OP nerfed, why the hell are we not trying to un-nerf it? |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
52
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Posted - 2011.12.11 00:07:00 -
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Wylee Coyote wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:5 meds + 6 lows = 11
Drake: 6 meds + 4 lows = 10 Harbinger: 4 meds + 6 lows = 10 Hurricane: 4 meds + 6 lows = 10
If anything, Myrmydon has already got 1 extra slot for no particular reason.
Drones are there to do damage. Large drone bay means the ship has to give up some highs in exchange. Just like it currenly is. By why give it an extra (11th) slot in mid/low? A mistery...
I guess you guys don't remember how OP myrms were back in the days of powerful RSD's and their 5 sentries... I too, would like to arbitraily ignore an entire set of fitting slots to prove a faulty point. Myrm: 6 high slots / 6 turrets (based of off using 5 heavy drones which it cannot dp anymore...) Harbi: 8 highs / 7 turrets Drake: 8 highs / 7 launchers Cane: 8 highs / 6 turrets AND 2 launchers Based off of the above alone (lol), the myrm is now missing TWO fitting slots...
Ok, as to drone bays:
Cane - 40 m3 Binger - 50 m3 Drake - 25 m3
Myrm - 150 m3
It swaps 2 highs for 1 med and 100 m3. That's a very decent exchange, I'd say. 2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys. |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2011.12.11 00:22:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:5 meds + 6 lows = 11
Drake: 6 meds + 4 lows = 10 Harbinger: 4 meds + 6 lows = 10 Hurricane: 4 meds + 6 lows = 10
If anything, Myrmydon has already got 1 extra slot for no particular reason.
Drones are there to do damage. Large drone bay means the ship has to give up some highs in exchange. Just like it currenly is. By why give it an extra (11th) slot in mid/low? A mistery...
I guess you guys don't remember how OP myrms were back in the days of powerful RSD's and their 5 sentries... I too, would like to arbitraily ignore an entire set of fitting slots to prove a faulty point. Myrm: 6 high slots / 6 turrets (based of off using 5 heavy drones which it cannot dp anymore...) Harbi: 8 highs / 7 turrets Drake: 8 highs / 7 launchers Cane: 8 highs / 6 turrets AND 2 launchers Based off of the above alone (lol), the myrm is now missing TWO fitting slots... Ok, as to drone bays: Cane - 40 m3 Binger - 50 m3 Drake - 25 m3 Myrm - 150 m3 It swaps 2 highs for 1 med and 100 m3. That's a very decent exchange, I'd say.
I too, would like to arbitrarily ignore both bandwidth and ship bonuses to come to a faulty conclusion.
Cane: 30 Mbs / 30m^3 bonuses to projectiles. Harbi: 50 Mbs / 50 m^3 bonuses to lasers. Drake: 25 Mbs / 25 m^3 bonuses to missiles and shields.
Myrm: 75 Mbs / 150 m^3 bonuses to drones and active armor repairing.
Myrm can't use all of it's available bonused weapon systems at the same time, while the other BCs can use all of their bonused weapon systems AND all their available drones at the same time.
That seems fishy to me... |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
53
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Posted - 2011.12.11 00:28:00 -
[54] - Quote
So what? Domies can't utilize their 375m3 bays at once, too.
Your posts are of great corelation your killboard presence. Both are meaningless. 2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys. |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2011.12.11 00:32:00 -
[55] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:So what? Domies can't utilize their 375m3 bays at once, too.
Your posts are of great corelation your killboard presence. Both are meaningless.
Thank you for showing everyone exactly why you have no business posting here. Run along now, the adults are conversing. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
53
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Posted - 2011.12.11 06:47:00 -
[56] - Quote
Domi just happens to have hybrid bonus instead of repping one. That's like Prophecy vs Brutix comparison, where Prophecy receives a tanking bonus while Brutix gets a damage one.
Now it might be worth discussing whether myrm needs or doesn't need 125m3 bandwidth, but stating it lacks slots is plain dumb. So, by the very same dumb logic, domi lacks slots, too? 2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys. |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
520
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Posted - 2011.12.11 09:01:00 -
[57] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Domi just happens to have hybrid bonus instead of repping one. That's like Prophecy vs Brutix comparison, where Prophecy receives a tanking bonus while Brutix gets a damage one.
Now it might be worth discussing whether myrm needs or doesn't need 125m3 bandwidth, but stating it lacks slots is plain dumb. So, by the very same dumb logic, domi lacks slots, too? SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF HOW WRONG YOU ARE.
I'M STILL MAD. I'VE BEEN HEADBUTTING A BRICK WALL FOR 4 HOURS BUT THE MYRM DOESN'T HAVE THE SLOT IS REQUIRES YET. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
153
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Posted - 2011.12.11 09:17:00 -
[58] - Quote
since when the myrm underpowered? |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2011.12.11 12:33:00 -
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Look at it from another point of view:
What if the Myrm has the correct number of slots, but the other three have one too many? |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
390
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Posted - 2011.12.11 13:23:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:Domi just happens to have hybrid bonus instead of repping one. That's like Prophecy vs Brutix comparison, where Prophecy receives a tanking bonus while Brutix gets a damage one.
Now it might be worth discussing whether myrm needs or doesn't need 125m3 bandwidth, but stating it lacks slots is plain dumb. So, by the very same dumb logic, domi lacks slots, too? It's not worth wasting your time with these idiots. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ Get Out, Nasty Face ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Signature edited. Navigator. |
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
154
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Posted - 2011.12.11 18:01:00 -
[61] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Domi just happens to have hybrid bonus instead of repping one. That's like Prophecy vs Brutix comparison, where Prophecy receives a tanking bonus while Brutix gets a damage one.
Now it might be worth discussing whether myrm needs or doesn't need 125m3 bandwidth, but stating it lacks slots is plain dumb. So, by the very same dumb logic, domi lacks slots, too?
The Brutix gets a tanking bonus too you know. Its actually a bit like a little Hyperion.
-Liang
Ed: Also, dude, we're talking about a 7 low Myrmidon with 125m^3 bandwidth! Do you know how ******* awesome that would be?!?!?!? Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Lili Lu
52
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Posted - 2011.12.11 18:14:00 -
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Wow. Haven't bothered to read the op or the responses.
The Myrm's total slots are fine. Actually, it could stand to lose a turret hardpoint (or maybe even two) as long as gains another 25m3 of drone bandwidth and dronebay. |
Fade Azura
Chemikals Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
0
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Posted - 2011.12.12 08:49:00 -
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here some stats for this month so far after the nice hybrid buff .... if the myrmidon didnt suck it would have a small presence as BC are by far most popular flown ship in the game according to statistics.
top 20 kills this month so far by ship.
1 Drake 79211
2 Hurricane 45044
3 Abaddon 31686
4 Tengu 21995
5 Maelstrom 18242
6 Tornado 16038
7 Armageddon 14837
8 Scimitar 11446
9 Tempest 10246
10 Sabre 9583
11 Cynabal 8989
12 Huginn 8537
13 Thrasher 8044
14 Rokh 7129
15 Lachesis 7108
16 Zealot 7076
17 Loki 7064
18 Rapier 7036
19 Rifter 7029
20 Vagabond 7024
look the minmatar t1 frigs and destroyers easily get more kills then the myrmidon =)
also looks like gallente still suck the big one as they have 0 blasters boats in top 20 even after the buff. (lachesis doesnt count rofl)
besides the drake notice how minmatar ships dominate the killboards rofl .... yeah its not even close to being balanced. the numbers dont lie ...
Buff the Myrm by giving its 125 bandwidth back ... even then it still wouldnt have a presence on killboards because heavy drones suck in pvp for the most part they cant even catch an armor tanked BC with mwd and are like 2 shotted by a cane even with max drone skills and gall bc/bs 5
for the myrm to compete with drake/cane it needs the 7th highslot and 125m3 bandwidth even then i bet it wont have a presence on killboards. unless someone creates a good projectile fit =)
but hey it looks good in your hanger and does lvl 3 missions like noone's business!
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Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2011.12.12 10:47:00 -
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Khrage wrote:Xindi Kraid wrote:...and it is one of the most versatile ships in EvE due to the slot layout and lack a gun bonus making lasers and projectiles viable armaments. lasers on any non-amarr ship is full of win and beauty. i would give up a slot on any ship to be able to fit lasers and not be laughed at...
You know, you are being laughed at when you fit lasers on Amarr ship too. I don't feed the trolls. |
Roime
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
58
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Posted - 2011.12.12 10:57:00 -
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Myrm does not need 125 Mbs, it needs 100 Mbs to separate it from Vexor, but not to make it op.
It could also well have the same slot count as other tier 3 BCs, just make the 7th high an utility slot- place for a NOS.
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Norris Packard
Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance
8
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Posted - 2011.12.12 11:58:00 -
[66] - Quote
Roime wrote:Myrm does not need 125 Mbs, it needs 100 Mbs to separate it from Vexor, but not to make it op.
It could also well have the same slot count as other tier 3 BCs, just make the 7th high an utility slot- place for a NOS.
Or a place for a gang link... Always nice to help friends. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
464
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:30:00 -
[67] - Quote
Wylee Coyote wrote:Lady Spank wrote:I want my high agility, nos damp 5 heavy myrmidon back thanks. Not that I think it was in any way balanced. Excellent point. Everything that made the myrmidon OP has been nerfed. Agility? Nope, standardized, and not included in the hybrid buffs. Nos? Nope, better use a cap booster or two (bye bye meds) and neuts. Five heavy drones? Nope, so sayeth the bandwidth. Sensor damps? Nerfed to uselessness, get a tracking disruptor? Oh wait, you've either got cap boosters or shield mods there, nevermind. Instant drone shield recharge? Nope, hope you brought sparez. Nanos? Kiss multiple low slots goodbye to be close to 'lithe and agile'. So now that we've seen all the things that when combined made the myrmidon of old OP nerfed, why the hell are we not trying to un-nerf it?
You can still shield tank it, use lows for dmg mods and use auto canons+drones. Hybrid ship is hybrid |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
51
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Posted - 2011.12.12 16:35:00 -
[68] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:Lady Spank wrote:I want my high agility, nos damp 5 heavy myrmidon back thanks. Not that I think it was in any way balanced. Excellent point. Everything that made the myrmidon OP has been nerfed. Agility? Nope, standardized, and not included in the hybrid buffs. Nos? Nope, better use a cap booster or two (bye bye meds) and neuts. Five heavy drones? Nope, so sayeth the bandwidth. Sensor damps? Nerfed to uselessness, get a tracking disruptor? Oh wait, you've either got cap boosters or shield mods there, nevermind. Instant drone shield recharge? Nope, hope you brought sparez. Nanos? Kiss multiple low slots goodbye to be close to 'lithe and agile'. So now that we've seen all the things that when combined made the myrmidon of old OP nerfed, why the hell are we not trying to un-nerf it? You can still shield tank it, use lows for dmg mods and use auto canons+drones. Hybrid ship is hybrid
I do.
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2011.12.12 18:36:00 -
[69] - Quote
I wouldn't mind seeing a utility high added...with no extra fitting even |
Viggen
2
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Posted - 2011.12.12 18:55:00 -
[70] - Quote
While restoring the Myrm's dronebay to its former glory, don't forget to do the same to the Eos (another Gallente ship that was nerfed to oblivion and hardly ever seen again). |
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SoapyTits
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.12 21:19:00 -
[71] - Quote
DarkAegix wrote:HELL YEAH I'M MAD. WHY IS THE MYRMIDON MISSING A SLOT?
DRAKE: 21 HARBINGER: 21 HURRICANE: 21 MYRMIDON: 20
WTF
WHY? WHY CAN'T GALLENTE GET NICE THINGS?
/END AAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL CCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPSSSSSSS RRAAAAAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEEE
Now that someone mentions it... Cruisers got the same issue. All the same tier:
Maller: 15 Rupture: 14 Thorax: 13 Moa: 14
^^ |
Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University Amarr Empire
117
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Posted - 2011.12.12 21:39:00 -
[72] - Quote
100mb drone bandwith would be nice and reasonably balanced. As it is heavys are pretty niche in small gang PvP and the lack of sentry mobility is punishment enough for the increased damage with them - I'd even be fine with giving the myrm 125mb back but don't think CCP would go for that.
An extra low would make the rep Myrm absolutely ridiculous, and as hilarious as that would be I don't think it'd be good for the game. |
Fade Azura
Chemikals Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1
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Posted - 2011.12.12 21:42:00 -
[73] - Quote
SoapyTits wrote:DarkAegix wrote:HELL YEAH I'M MAD. WHY IS THE MYRMIDON MISSING A SLOT?
DRAKE: 21 HARBINGER: 21 HURRICANE: 21 MYRMIDON: 20
WTF
WHY? WHY CAN'T GALLENTE GET NICE THINGS?
/END AAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL CCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPSSSSSSS RRAAAAAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEEE Now that someone mentions it... Cruisers got the same issue. All the same tier: Maller: 15 Rupture: 14 Thorax: 13 Moa: 14 ^^
OMG lol .... no wonder gallente have sucked for so long ... all their ships are down a full SLOT ... and even then they cant fit same size guns as minmatar ... and their guns are worse ... and slower ships ... lol wtf how did this get so out of hand CCP?
WAKE UP TIME!!!!!! |
Fade Azura
Chemikals Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1
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Posted - 2011.12.12 21:56:00 -
[74] - Quote
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:100mb drone bandwith would be nice and reasonably balanced. As it is heavys are pretty niche in small gang PvP and the lack of sentry mobility is punishment enough for the increased damage with them - I'd even be fine with giving the myrm 125mb back but don't think CCP would go for that.
An extra low would make the rep Myrm absolutely ridiculous, and as hilarious as that would be I don't think it'd be good for the game.
why not? its not like ogre II's or berserkers II are anything special now even on droneboats .. they cant even catch a cane or drake with mwd and are pretty much useless at any medium or large gang warfare.
its needs its full 125m3 dronebay BACK as it had before and a 7th utility highslot to be more balanced even then .... show me a scenario where this would fit in or be better then a drake gang or cane gang .... it still wouldnt. sentries? please ... if that was the case you would see domi sentries blobs in pvp more ... but you wont .... you will see tons of drake and cane gangs i can guarentee you that. only time i see sentries in pvp are very rarely and at pos bashes =)
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Kodama Ikari
GOOD FELLAS Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.12.14 21:19:00 -
[75] - Quote
utility high + 125m3 bandwidth. Just to bring it in line with other BCs |
vorneus
Hub2
10
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Posted - 2011.12.14 21:40:00 -
[76] - Quote
SoapyTits wrote:
Now that someone mentions it... Cruisers got the same issue. All the same tier:
Maller: 15 Rupture: 14 Thorax: 13 Moa: 14
^^
Lol. Didn't notice that.
Thorax does have the most sizeable dronebay though, but yeah. Would be interesting to analyse the rationale behind that one too.
Also sad times that there's only one Gallente ship in the top20 list, and it's extremely specialised. Still, the hybrid buff has rekindled my interest in them for solo work.
-Ed |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
163
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:27:00 -
[77] - Quote
"Give the Myrm another Utility high!"
It already has too many. -_- Low slots are where its at.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
315
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:33:00 -
[78] - Quote
What Myrm needs is 2 more drones. Gallante is the only race where tier 2 HAC(Ishtar) outdps tier 2 BC (Myrm), given the convention that HAC isn't supposed to outdps BC, only outrun it. |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2011.12.15 05:59:00 -
[79] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Domi just happens to have hybrid bonus instead of repping one. That's like Prophecy vs Brutix comparison, where Prophecy receives a tanking bonus while Brutix gets a damage one.
Now it might be worth discussing whether myrm needs or doesn't need 125m3 bandwidth, but stating it lacks slots is plain dumb. So, by the very same dumb logic, domi lacks slots, too?
Walter Sobchak wrote:So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know... |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2011.12.15 06:04:00 -
[80] - Quote
DarkAegix wrote: I'VE BEEN HEADBUTTING A BRICK WALL FOR 4 <[YEARS]> BUT THE MYRM DOESN'T HAVE THE SLOT IS REQUIRES YET.
FYP
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Jeremy Ironforge
White syndicate BattleStar Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.03.11 12:44:00 -
[81] - Quote
Why 7th low?
better give it 7th high as an utility slot. It's so damn stupid that if you fit DCU you have to lose a gun and then you have an empty hardpoint for it on the model. Plain wrong design wise. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5414
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Posted - 2012.03.11 15:27:00 -
[82] - Quote
Since this thread was dredged out of the abyss of time, I suppose I should respond to thisGǪGoose99 wrote:The "drake lvl tank" is niche active rep that's extremely vulnerable to neut and increasing worthless as blob size grows. No, the Gǣdrake lvl tankGǥ is, just as with the drake, a shield tank, with the same issues and benefits the Drake has. Incidentally, this leaves a fair amount of lowslots to bring up the usefulness of those unbonused guns without sacrificing tanking for it.
If you go completely nuts and go for an all-out passive shield tank, the Myrm can even outtank the classic PST Drake, but then we're back into niche (or just L3/L4 mission) territory again. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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