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solrac lara
The Soul Society DeepSpace.
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Posted - 2015.08.13 22:30:15 -
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I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.
Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious |
Paranoid Loyd
6641
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Posted - 2015.08.13 22:32:10 -
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In a nutshell, you can't possibly make everyone happy in a game designed to create conflict.
Solving one groups complaints only makes the opposing group whine moar. It's a vicious circle.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
14117
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Posted - 2015.08.13 22:32:34 -
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The TL;DR is "I don't know what would be better, but I hate what we have right now."
This applies to both the previous and current sov systems.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Takoma Panala
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.08.13 22:55:40 -
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Not arguing about the pros and cons of the new sov, but this fits every patch:
https://xkcd.com/1172/ |
Brian Harrelstein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2015.08.13 23:01:02 -
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Quote:FOZZIE KILLED EVE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Panthe3 Black
The Branded Few Test Alliance Please Ignore
14
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Posted - 2015.08.13 23:17:16 -
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funny to read posted from dudes who dont even sov. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2180
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Posted - 2015.08.14 00:24:32 -
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solrac lara wrote:I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.
Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious
- Wand waving is more boring than shooting structures.
- Wands take longer
- Ships can't be fitted to make wand damage or wand repairs faster
- There is no knock on effect from fitting a fleet for wand waving
- 40 supers are now free to be 40 interceptors in 13-40 systems
- Whack-a-mole SOV
- AFK cloakers can pop up, wave a wand then an ECM buddy can turn them off when defenders come.
It boils down to who is willing to grief the longest and that is if the attackers even want the SOV or just want to spawn nodes and waste peoples' time for the "lulz"
Called it from the first dev post. Fozzie's team are incredibly blind.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Janeos
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2015.08.14 00:27:27 -
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They made holding sov more annoying than before without making defending it any more engaging or living in it more rewarding.
Sov went from being capital ships roving the galaxy to a Benny Hill finale chase scene. It's funny, the first time. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6779
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Posted - 2015.08.14 00:41:44 -
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This is obviously honeypot/tearpot thread. It's always the case when "newbies" just happen to ask about the biggest thing that has had massive threads on it
Also, moa endorses the sov system.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2109
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Posted - 2015.08.14 03:37:14 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The TL;DR is "I don't know what would be better, but I hate what we have right now."
This applies to both the previous and current sov systems.
It applies to EVERYTHING in EVE. |
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Scalding Holland
Arcadia Group
1
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Posted - 2015.08.14 03:43:43 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:In a nutshell, you can't possibly make everyone happy in a game designed to create conflict.
Solving one groups complaints only makes the opposing group whine moar. It's a vicious circle.
Please show me a sov holding group that likes the new changes.
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Scalding Holland
Arcadia Group
1
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Posted - 2015.08.14 03:44:31 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The TL;DR is "I don't know what would be better, but I hate what we have right now."
This applies to both the previous and current sov systems.
POS sov wars are far better than what we have now. Majority of 0.0 would return to a simplified pos sov system. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1411
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Posted - 2015.08.14 04:52:51 -
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I got bored of orbiting a beacon for points in about 2 nights of FW, and I didn't even have to fit a loltosis mod. how that mechanic became the sov mechanic o.O
@ChainsawPlankto
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2015.08.14 14:38:42 -
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Lazy fat vets unwilling to do what they are suppose to do in the sandbox, create their own content.
They have put so many walls in place to protect their stuff and now they blame CCP for no one wanting to try and take it. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2187
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Posted - 2015.08.14 16:42:49 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Lazy fat vets ... have put so many walls in place ... You contradict yourself.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
22733
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Posted - 2015.08.14 17:16:41 -
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>>>Sov thread detection system has found active sov thread<<<
>>>Narwhal education protocols activated<<<
>>>Executing Narwhal educational materials search..... done<<<
>>>Deploying link<<<
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/narwhal/
>>>Link deployment successful<<<
>>>Returning to active forum scan<<<
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Paranoid Loyd
6645
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Posted - 2015.08.14 17:20:10 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Sov thread detection system Congratulations on your recently acquired STDs.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
22733
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Posted - 2015.08.14 17:22:48 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Sov thread detection system So.... you have STDs?
Technically the forum has STDS. I am simply the one who deployed it here.
...wait.. that sounded.... nah. It's a good acronym and we stand by our product.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Divine Entervention
Warriors Gaming Corporation Imperium Galactic Empire
552
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Posted - 2015.08.14 17:51:21 -
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Think about it like this:
Most people are below average intelligence already, so those of us with any clue of what's going on are outnumbered. Now this is a video game online, it's a game on the internet. The internet is a refuge for failures who couldn't make it IRL so they turn to the isolation from consequence of the internet to try and establish themselves.
These below average intelligence aren't very good at thinking, hence their label. They can't figure out how to play the game, so they just baahhhhh bahhhhh bahhhh whatever it was the sheep before them bawwweed.
Hating on Sov is essentially a giant neon sign above your wooly head that states: "I'm a stupid sheep unable to figure things out on my own".
This game is awesome. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12116
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Posted - 2015.08.14 18:12:17 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:solrac lara wrote:I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.
Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious
- Wand waving is more boring than shooting structures.
- Wands take longer
- Ships can't be fitted to make wand damage or wand repairs faster
- There is no knock on effect from fitting a fleet for wand waving
- 40 supers are now free to be 40 interceptors in 13-40 systems
- Whack-a-mole SOV
- AFK cloakers can pop up, wave a wand then an ECM buddy can turn them off when defenders come.
It boils down to who is willing to grief the longest and that is if the attackers even want the SOV or just want to spawn nodes and waste peoples' time for the "lulz" Called it from the first dev post. Fozzie's team are incredibly blind.
Pretty much all of this, especially the part about not being able to affect the process via fitting changes. In the old system you could lessen the time it took to reinforce something or repair your own something.. With this new system, the ONLY thing you can do is make it more mind-numbingly painful for the other guy.
My very 1st post in the announcement thread about this new sov system warned that CCP has a history of "throwing the baby out with the bath water" ie over-reacting to perceived ill by over-engineering the "fixes". They did this with jump changes (jump fatigue PLUS crippling jump range when one or the other would have worked fine without being suffocating) and with many other things over the course of EVE's life.
Well, it's happened again, CCP didn't look at any of the GOOD features of the previous systems , they just wiped it all clean and replaced it with a convoluted system that basically gets ignored except that FCs bring one or 2 entosis guys to 'tickle' the enemy into a fight, which generally doesn't even work.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1364
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Posted - 2015.08.14 18:12:53 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Most people are below average intelligence already, so those of us with any clue of what's going on are outnumbered. Umm. How can "most" people be below average when by definition that category is always 50%?
But as to sov, it does appear to be a little troll-y right now but that may solve itself. I think the main consequences of these changes have not been seen yet. Some sov entities are still too big, or have too much space. When they fail, a new set of smaller players might rise from the ashes and usher in to new era of conflict, but I can see how painful and unfun this sort of contraction could be on players.
That or sov will just grind to a halt. More changes have been promised, as well as iterations on the new system so I still hope CCP will get things right in the end. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
969
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Posted - 2015.08.14 18:15:17 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: Pretty much all of this, especially the part about not being able to affect the process via fitting changes. In the old system you could lessen the time it took to reinforce something or repair your own something.. With this new system, the ONLY thing you can do is make it more mind-numbingly painful for the other guy.
My very 1st post in the announcement thread about this new sov system warned that CCP has a history of "throwing the baby out with the bath water" ie over-reacting to perceived ill by over-engineering the "fixes". They did this with jump changes (jump fatigue PLUS crippling jump range when one or the other would have worked fine without being suffocating) and with many other things over the course of EVE's life.
Well, it's happened again, CCP didn't look at any of the GOOD features of the previous systems , they just wiped it all clean and replaced it with a convoluted system that basically gets ignored except that FCs bring one or 2 entosis guys to 'tickle' the enemy into a fight, which generally doesn't even work.
I find most of your posts to annoy me.
This one is not so.
Not today spaghetti.
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Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
71
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Posted - 2015.08.14 19:40:20 -
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solrac lara wrote:I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.
Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious
I think that some people might feel that the new sov mechanics are artificial, implemented with a focus on game design for the sake of game design, and not so much based on what would make sense if the EVE world was real.. (yes, yes, I know it's real, but you know what I mean) |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16509
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:51:20 -
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We did warn CCP about troll cepters. The jesus laser should never have been allowed on anything smaller than a cruiser.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9077
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Posted - 2015.08.14 21:31:30 -
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Quote:Why all the hate on sov ?
Thirty six forum regulars having the same fight over and over, thread after thread is not really indicative of the player base as a whole.
Most people really don't give a rat's ass one way or the other. Sov simply doesn't affect the majority of players.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2015.08.14 21:59:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Lazy fat vets ... have put so many walls in place ... You contradict yourself.
Build wall, sit back and get lazy and fat.
No contradiction. Just you not thinking it through.
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Snowmann
Arrow Industries
36
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Posted - 2015.08.14 22:08:55 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Lazy fat vets ... have put so many walls in place ... You contradict yourself. Build wall, sit back and get lazy and fat. No contradiction. Just you not thinking it through.
Or those who fear a loosening grip of their imagined power. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
14131
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Posted - 2015.08.14 22:23:07 -
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baltec1 wrote:We did warn CCP about troll cepters. The jesus laser should never have been allowed on anything smaller than a cruiser.
Personally, I would still say battlecruiser, functionally anyway. It should be cripplingly hard to fit on a cruiser, and a battlecruiser should have it's role bonus applied to fitting it.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Max Fubarticus
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.08.14 22:57:39 -
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solrac lara wrote:I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.
Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious
If you are indeed a new player in Eve, then it is certainly a valid question. The "you broke MY game" mantra is as old as Eve itself. Ask anyone who has played for any length of time, and you will get just as many reasons why the game is failing, broke, doomed, or any other form of quality analysis ( quality is very subjective ). Example: I feel that the entosis link mechanic is a goof ball approach to challenging Sov. But that is just my opinion. There may be better ways or worse ways to challenge Sov. You simply can't make everyone happy all the time. Sooo... I just accept it for what it is, move on and adapt. I like the challenge of trying to make something out of nothing.
Welcome to the Eve Community!
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2338
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Posted - 2015.08.14 22:58:38 -
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Basically they turned boring structure shooting into something more boring, which is quite impressive honestly.
Not having to reload/cycle/retarget is nice though. You can watch TV with far fewer interruptions. |
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rofflesausage
State War Academy Caldari State
207
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Posted - 2015.08.14 23:01:43 -
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solrac lara wrote:and how do you think it should work ?.
It's never worked. It should just be removed and brand new game mechanics introduced that doesn't involve 'owning' space.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2190
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Posted - 2015.08.14 23:31:03 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Lazy fat vets ... have put so many walls in place ... You contradict yourself. Build wall, sit back and get lazy and fat. No contradiction. Just you not thinking it through. Putting many walls in place is not lazy. Maintaining many walls is not lazy.
Blame the people for building great sand castles... ... or blame the beach for not having enough places to gather the sand and have more people building sand castles to rival those.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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OldWolf69
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
187
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Posted - 2015.08.15 00:00:23 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Lazy fat vets unwilling to do what they are suppose to do in the sandbox, create their own content.
They have put so many walls in place to protect their stuff and now they blame CCP for no one wanting to try and take it. ...actually, they do create their own content. What does **** off dumb people like you is the fact they refuse to create YOUR content too. Be butthurt about this someplace else. HTFU.
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
462
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Posted - 2015.08.15 00:13:34 -
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baltec1 wrote:We did warn CCP about troll cepters. The jesus laser should never have been allowed on anything smaller than a cruiser. I heard trollceptors were dying in droves (check the ones costing more than 50m) to people that actively use their space and the only real headache were the 100mn recons...like we warned you, they can and will die to anyone using their brain to find a counter instead of crying grrrceptors on the forums over and over.
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2339
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Posted - 2015.08.15 00:16:57 -
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Killing trollceptors is not the problem. |
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2015.08.15 00:27:35 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Lazy fat vets ... have put so many walls in place ... You contradict yourself. Build wall, sit back and get lazy and fat. No contradiction. Just you not thinking it through. Putting many walls in place is not lazy. Maintaining many walls is not lazy. Blame the people for building great sand castles... ... or blame the beach for not having enough places to gather the sand and have more people building sand castles to rival those.
I don't go to the beach to rival others. I go to enjoy myself by doing things that I enjoy. |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2339
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Posted - 2015.08.15 00:34:49 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Lazy fat vets ... have put so many walls in place ... You contradict yourself. Build wall, sit back and get lazy and fat. No contradiction. Just you not thinking it through. Putting many walls in place is not lazy. Maintaining many walls is not lazy. Blame the people for building great sand castles... ... or blame the beach for not having enough places to gather the sand and have more people building sand castles to rival those. I don't go to the beach to rival others. I go to enjoy myself by doing things that I enjoy.
Not when you're 5 years old! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6783
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Posted - 2015.08.15 01:36:56 -
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Kiandoshia wrote:Basically they turned boring structure shooting into something more boring, which is quite impressive honestly.
Not having to reload/cycle/retarget is nice though. You can watch TV with far fewer interruptions. Well I guess that's true, though remember that structureshooting does like using drones or lasers
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
306
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Posted - 2015.08.15 07:50:51 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Quote:Why all the hate on sov ? Thirty six forum regulars having the same fight over and over, thread after thread is not really indicative of the player base as a whole. Most people really don't give a rat's ass one way or the other. Sov simply doesn't affect the majority of players. Mr Epeen
so it's all really you posting lol
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16514
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Posted - 2015.08.15 10:34:50 -
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Eli Apol wrote:baltec1 wrote:We did warn CCP about troll cepters. The jesus laser should never have been allowed on anything smaller than a cruiser. I heard trollceptors were dying in droves ( check the ones costing more than 50m) to people that actively use their space and the only real headache were the 100mn recons...like we warned you, they can and will die to anyone using their brain to find a counter instead of crying grrrceptors on the forums over and over.
Correction, idiots are getting killed. The bulk are flitting around in cepters because they are nullified, fast and very hard to pin down because the simply refuse to engage. t3 destroyers are also doing much the same thing while people in cruisers is somewhat rare these days.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
1027
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Posted - 2015.08.15 11:04:30 -
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rofflesausage wrote:It should just be removed and brand new game mechanics introduced... Which is..?
Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2192
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Posted - 2015.08.15 13:44:44 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:rofflesausage wrote:It should just be removed and brand new game mechanics introduced... Which is..? While everyone is coming up with that:
- Go back to Dominion SOV
- Drop carrier and dread damage by 10%
- Heavily nerf super and titan damage
- Cut the structure HP so they are less boring to grind.
Result? 500 sub-caps or 50 supers? Do you want 50 supers sitting there when they can hardly hit sub-caps because they aren't regular carriers?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1252
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Posted - 2015.08.15 14:17:34 -
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solrac lara wrote:I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.
Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious
sov is now a minigame
SpaceJunkys on YouTube - Harry Forever on the Forums
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Reiisha
Repracor Industries
752
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Posted - 2015.08.15 14:41:08 -
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CCP focused so much on taking and defending sov when someone comes in and contests it by using the pre-determined interface.
The focus is so tight, so tiny that they forgot everything else about it. And even on that point, they took the original system (structure grind) and changed it, rather than actually changing it up and improving it.
And it's again something i've been saying for a while: It's a focus on passive systems, rather than active systems. Base sov on system activity instead of a passive structure grind and then you'll get proper gains and gameplay from it.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6788
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Posted - 2015.08.15 16:35:07 -
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don't hate the sov, troll the sov
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Divine Entervention
Warriors Gaming Corporation Imperium Galactic Empire
555
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Posted - 2015.08.15 17:57:51 -
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People tend to hate what they can't understand. |
Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1547
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Posted - 2015.08.16 01:43:19 -
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New sov system allows those without any sov to claim some.
No need to already hold 49 moons and have an armada of super caps and Titans to convert a "pvp opportunity" into a 30 second dunk hp grind and everyone logs off before combat happens.
Now combat always takes some time, and you don't need those super caps to get it, there are tears about "second jobs" and no fighting.
Reality is : previous sov had one fight per 600 opportunities because so many super caps, you can't win, why bother? Current sov : has one fight per 600 opportunities because people in super caps can't move about quickly enough, so they don't want it
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1548
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Posted - 2015.08.16 01:43:19 -
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New sov system allows those without any sov to claim some.
No need to already hold 49 moons and have an armada of super caps and Titans to convert a "pvp opportunity" into a 30 second dunk hp grind and everyone logs off before combat happens.
Now combat always takes some time, and you don't need those super caps to get it, there are tears about "second jobs" and no fighting.
Reality is : previous sov had one fight per 600 opportunities because so many super caps, you can't win, why bother? Current sov : has one fight per 600 opportunities because people in super caps can't move about quickly enough, so they don't want it
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Martin Corwin
Emergente Struktur
35
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Posted - 2015.08.16 03:15:02 -
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solrac lara wrote:I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.
Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious
First, nearly everyone and their preferred type of pet wanted a SOV system that rewarded actually living in your own space.
And they got that.
Now they're starting to realize that this means somebody has to stay at home while everyone else is out roaming. And they think that sucks. Of course they don't take that precaution and get frequent reinforcments from pilots in "cheap" 50m ISK interceptors. Which they whine about as they percieve it as griefing.
But griefing freighter pilots in highsec with only a bunch of cheapo catalysts or a CONCORD-protected Machariel is still OK.
No, I don't get it either. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6788
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Posted - 2015.08.16 04:27:32 -
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the trollsov continues even to the forums, where you troll about sov mechanics
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
908
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Posted - 2015.08.16 08:38:02 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Most people are below average intelligence already, so those of us with any clue of what's going on are outnumbered. Umm. How can "most" people be below average when by definition that category is always 50%? That would be the median, not the average. If you have the values 1, 2, 3, and 10, the average of these values is 4, with most of the values being below the average.
IQ is a bell curve though, so the median and the average are the same. |
Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2015.08.16 12:11:28 -
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Isn't one of Eves motto's "adapt or die"?
I have never been involved in sov before, but it is something I am looking at doing in the near future, and I am reading what people are saying and seeing who seems to be adapting the best.
To me it appears that Imperium have dealt with it all the best so far, they have left every other alliance in their dust in terms of making changes before the release became active, consolidating their space and actually trying to respond to the new sov in the best way possible. Some other alliances should take note.
I listened to a lot of the round table. I feel many are being unfair on CCP, they constantly pointed out what the purpose of the round table was yet many failed to understand it and carried on raging like nobs. The game has changed- you need to get with it. yes there are a few issues that CCP acknowledge but throwing a tantrum like a five year old is not the way to get things sorted. Sending titan/ super cap/ cap fleets across the universe in 5 minutes is never going to happen again- get used to this new reality.
If your idea of dropping cap fleets on every single ship that gets within range of your sov, leads to noone coming near your sov space, you cant complain about lack of gudfites, when you have caused the problem yourself. Allow people to get in to nullspace and settle and build up so that they think they might have a decent chance of not getting entirely obliterated by you within the first 2 seconds of any fight.
There are more tweaks to come and further changes to come in the future, i think a lot of people need to calm down and revaluate what they are doing and how they need to change to get an active nullsec going again. I saw a map recently of how null has changed so far- i think its great and is exactly what is/was required to get people excited about moving to null.
I am one of those that never wanted to be in null space- it looked crap tbh. but now i excited about joining. and it looks like Imperium is the way forward
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John Wolfcastle
Galactic Cargo Inc. Crying Clowns Foundation
2
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Posted - 2015.08.16 21:28:58 -
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It's easy, defend your used space. Use your space to defend it properly (longer attack time, lesser vulnerbility). It should be possible to drive away trollceptors until that time window is over. It's not bad, it just needs some smaller adjustments to the system, but imo, it's better then the old system. Defend and Attack... defend and attack.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6796
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Posted - 2015.08.17 03:48:49 -
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While people used to advocate ratting as a way to train for structureshooting, now we will support mining.
Not only does it raise an important index but also... yep, teaches you about lasering things that don't move
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap, lasersov)) tears.
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. If only there was another coalition that existed to destroy them, or more legions to be paid off, or more ceptors.
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
1126
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Posted - 2015.08.17 03:50:25 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:While people used to advocate ratting as a way to train for structureshooting, now we will support mining.
Not only does it raise an important index but also... yep, teaches you about lasering things that don't move And then we will use all of those minerals mined in sov practice to build more supers.
Oh god, CCP, what have you done? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6796
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Posted - 2015.08.17 06:21:12 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:While people used to advocate ratting as a way to train for structureshooting, now we will support mining.
Not only does it raise an important index but also... yep, teaches you about lasering things that don't move And then we will use all of those minerals mined in sov practice to build more supers. Oh god, CCP, what have you done? "Create content"
EDIT: People wanted supers to be cheaper, well if you mine it yourself...
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap, lasersov)) tears.
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. If only there was another coalition that existed to destroy them, or more legions to be paid off, or more ceptors.
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Salvos Rhoska
1244
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Posted - 2015.08.17 09:06:19 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:the trollsov continues even to the forums, where you troll about sov mechanics The irony is strong in this one.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2201
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Posted - 2015.08.17 13:40:31 -
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I did get one thing wrong about my predictions. I think both myself and CCP didn't expect it.
No one wants Null Sec enough to abuse these mechanics and take the space.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Salvos Rhoska
1246
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Posted - 2015.08.17 15:39:34 -
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Sov is populated by four kinds of players:
1) Members of the established and deserved elite, with years of experience, a stable full of developed characters, and personal connection to others of the same. All things considered, these are the implacable and most hardcore and deserving players of EVE. Theyve seen and played through **** most of us only read about. Be afraid, because these guys know this game in and out, have the means and the connections to do anything and everything EVE has to offer.
Included here also are players whom are very good at what they do, such as FCs (and their finest most capable associated pilots), magnate industrialists, market gurus, logistics/organisation experts and general EVE wizards in all fields across the board.
These guys are few, but run the game. o7
2) F1 monkeys, and pilots who enjoy the WoW-like mentality of being ordered around in a fleet by an FC, because they feel strong in numbers, want victory and "gudfights" but lack the incentive and capacity to do so for themselves. They join the winner, and feel like a loser if they cant. Altogether a massive cancer full of hacks that the above cant stand but have to deal with. These wannabe assholes are why fleets have voice comm restrictions. They ride on the coat-tails of giants, and quick to anger/discontent when things dont go their way. Some inspired and persistent few among them will rise to 1), but the most are just trash, peons and meat.
3) Smaller entities with idealistic pursuits, including recently (and admirably) various corps designed specifically for new player content. Leadership typically involves a few of 1), and in my opinion at least, they are the future of EVE in terms of providing sandbox content. Again, like em or not, they are building castles in the sand for established powers to kick over, at their own expense. May we all wish them well and success in their endevours!
4) Independant pilots with balls who end up either destroyed in their efforts or joining one of the above. Eventually graduate to 1-3), or return to HS till invariably they try again, or forget the game (WH, FW and LS also options).If you know your ****, anything is possible, eventually.
Conclusion?
Make your choice, but ultimately and most importantly, keep playing. The universe is yours, mine and theirs equally for the taking.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6803
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Posted - 2015.08.17 16:01:16 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I did get one thing wrong about my predictions. I think both myself and CCP didn't expect it.
No one wants Null Sec enough to abuse these mechanics and take the space. But... they are willing to do it to troll the space (specifically the people holding space I guess)
Op success
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap, lasersov)) tears.
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. If only there was another coalition that existed to destroy them, or more legions to be paid off, or more ceptors.
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Salvos Rhoska
1246
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Posted - 2015.08.17 16:33:24 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I did get one thing wrong about my predictions. I think both myself and CCP didn't expect it.
No one wants Null Sec enough to abuse these mechanics and take the space. But... they are willing to do it to troll the space (specifically the people holding space I guess) Op success This is getting very boring, very fast.
If you have solutions, post em. If not, you aint offering much except uninspired trolling that doesnt even antagonize, rather just bores.
Trolling 101, always use some real bait. You are fishing with nothing on your hook...
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6804
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Posted - 2015.08.17 16:41:04 -
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This is GD not F&I, I'm not falling for it.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap, lasersov)) tears.
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. If only there was another coalition that existed to destroy them, or more legions to be paid off, or more ceptors.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16515
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Posted - 2015.08.17 16:48:51 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I did get one thing wrong about my predictions. I think both myself and CCP didn't expect it.
No one wants Null Sec enough to abuse these mechanics and take the space. But... they are willing to do it to troll the space (specifically the people holding space I guess) Op success This is getting very boring, very fast. If you have solutions, post em. If not, you aint offering much except uninspired trolling that doesnt even antagonize, rather just bores. Trolling 101, always use some real bait. You are fishing with nothing on your hook...
One of the answers is to force the attacker to commit to attacking, remove entosis links from anything smaller than a cruiser.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6804
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Posted - 2015.08.17 16:50:48 -
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VV ((goon tears about moa interceptors))
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap, lasersov)) tears.
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. If only there was another coalition that existed to destroy them, or more legions to be paid off, or more ceptors.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2203
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Posted - 2015.08.17 16:54:26 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:... If you have solutions, post em. If not, you aint offering much except uninspired trolling that doesnt even antagonize, rather just bores. .... Top of the previous page. We also deserve some, "I told you so," because we saw this system was useless before it was implemented.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
464
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Posted - 2015.08.17 16:55:22 -
[66] - Quote
Is this another grrrceptors forum CTA? Did goons already finish the mining and ratting CTAs they had for raising their indices?
Tune in next month for more of the same from those that can't adapt.
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Salvos Rhoska
1246
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Posted - 2015.08.17 17:18:40 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Top of the previous page. We also deserve some, "I told you so," because we saw this system was useless before it was implemented.
Acknowledged and granted. Almost as good as tears
baltec1 wrote:
One of the answers is to force the attacker to commit to attacking, remove entosis links from anything smaller than a cruiser.
I agree. Context of your response here is odd, but nonetheless, as I spent some time delineating in another thread, which I submit here for your consideration: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5973034#post5973034
Quote:Ive come around to agreeing the Entosis module needs changing. Simplest solution is hard ship class restrictions, second are PG/ CPU/skill restrictions, third and most complicated is a new Entosis specific range of ships, fourth an aggregate of all the above where the efficacy of the link is dependant with all the above.
Parallel changes would be requiring more (numerous and/or efficient) links as a threshold to surpass equivalence to the defence index.
I dont think the interceptor ship class was ever designed or intended for this purpose, with its specific peculiarities. Its arguable whether this is now as intended, because its expected CCP was readily informed by the community beforehand this would happen, but went ahead with it anyways.
One of the stated goals, was making it possible for just about anyone to conflict sov. Inline with this, it means a single player can now challenge sov. Though the intent is interesting, in practice I think its a bit unfair and lowers the bar too far in terms of commitment. It enables any single independant player too far considering how many people that disables in the system in question. The "trolling" aspect comes into effect here, when one player can disrupt the equilibrium of a larger group, with little to no risk to himself. (Which concretely represents what trolling is in any community).
I dont think 1 ship should be enough to do this, unless as in option 3, its a specific Entosis ship class, or as in options 1-2 the ship class is reasonably vulnerable in its invasion attempt. Especially not in a single class of ship which really already has other design specific functions (interceptor) and is effectively immune to reprisal.
The core irony here being that its exactly the interceptor class itself which should be ideal for engaging an Entosing aggressor, rather than vice versa as is now the case. Enganging and tackling an aggressor is what an interceptor does. Its a paradox that an interceptor is in and of itself now effectively un-interceptable as an entosis link.
Ideally, Id like to see a range of Entosis specific class ships, which then form the foothold and "flag carriers" of an invasion attempt, with all the peculiar, diverse and specific ship traits for each race alongside that. This ofc is time consuming, expensive and rife with balance issues. So CCP, expediently, instead went with a generalisation of the module. But this has resulted, as I tried to outline above, in a perversion and abberation of the interceptor classes existing capacity and function (whether intended or not).
See what I mean?
Opinions, bias, enlightened self-interest aside, it just doesnt make sense on an objective level, that a ship class designed for intercepting can now utilise those same capacities to be uninterceptable (except as to force it off), while doing something (Entosing) that has nothing to do with its intercepting impetus."
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2204
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Posted - 2015.08.17 17:20:20 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Tune in next month for more of the same from those that can't adapt. We adapted.
Fozzie SOV is tedious.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
464
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Posted - 2015.08.17 17:23:08 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Tune in next month for more of the same from those that can't adapt. We adapted. Fozzie SOV is tedious. More or less tedious than a supercapital cold war with only 2 battles/year?
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
1132
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Posted - 2015.08.17 17:26:30 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Tune in next month for more of the same from those that can't adapt. We adapted. Fozzie SOV is tedious. More or less tedious than a supercapital cold war with only 2 battles/year? About the same so far, which kinda defeats the purpose of the revamp, eh? |
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2204
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Posted - 2015.08.17 17:35:00 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Tune in next month for more of the same from those that can't adapt. We adapted. Fozzie SOV is tedious. More or less tedious than a supercapital cold war with only 2 battles/year? More in Provi at least. Less real gangs, more troll-ceptors.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2259
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Posted - 2015.08.17 17:49:33 -
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baltec1 wrote: One of the answers is to force the attacker to commit to attacking, remove entosis links from anything smaller than a cruiser.
How is this an answer? If pilots can't bypass gatecamps because their ship is too big you'll be able to protect hundreds of systems 99% of the time with one gatecamp.
He're another answer, stop trying to control everything and unblue some people.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2206
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Posted - 2015.08.17 23:55:30 -
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Sentamon wrote:baltec1 wrote:One of the answers is to force the attacker to commit to attacking, remove entosis links from anything smaller than a cruiser. How is this an answer? If pilots can't bypass gatecamps because their ship is too big you'll be able to protect hundreds of systems 99% of the time with one gatecamp. . Nullified, cloaked T3 cruisers. At least they would be putting 400M into attempting to get SOV then.
How about there actually be space where a group can grow large enough to challenge Goons?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
1132
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Posted - 2015.08.18 00:01:19 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Sentamon wrote:baltec1 wrote:One of the answers is to force the attacker to commit to attacking, remove entosis links from anything smaller than a cruiser. How is this an answer? If pilots can't bypass gatecamps because their ship is too big you'll be able to protect hundreds of systems 99% of the time with one gatecamp. . Nullified, cloaked T3 cruisers. At least they would be putting 400M into attempting to get SOV then. How about there actually be space where a group can grow large enough to challenge Goons? That's got nothing to do with the space. As examples: Delve and Fountain are two of the most wealthy regions in the game. What happens to everyone who lives there, even those who have plenty of time to grow up? They get too big for their panties, get fat off the sov riches, challenge The Imperium (CFC at that time) and get curbstomped back into irrelevance. Not to be a bit on the :smugdog: side, since I am relatively new to The Imperium, but goddamn, what's it going to take? That's a serious question. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2263
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Posted - 2015.08.18 00:02:15 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Sentamon wrote:baltec1 wrote:One of the answers is to force the attacker to commit to attacking, remove entosis links from anything smaller than a cruiser. How is this an answer? If pilots can't bypass gatecamps because their ship is too big you'll be able to protect hundreds of systems 99% of the time with one gatecamp. . Nullified, cloaked T3 cruisers. At least they would be putting 400M into attempting to get SOV then. How about there actually be space where a group can grow large enough to challenge Goons?
Oh come on now. If you want fights and more people in null, you don't make the entry point T3 cruisers that cause skill loss on death.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3uTVTBKb_E
Try doing something fun for a change.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16515
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Posted - 2015.08.18 04:14:20 -
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Sentamon wrote:baltec1 wrote: One of the answers is to force the attacker to commit to attacking, remove entosis links from anything smaller than a cruiser.
How is this an answer? If pilots can't bypass gatecamps because their ship is too big you'll be able to protect hundreds of systems 99% of the time with one gatecamp. He're another answer, stop trying to control everything and unblue some people.
You assume people are gatecamping at all. Frankly, even if we were what exactly is wrong about having to fight your way through small gangs of bad pilots to attack a system?
The whole point of this new sov is to get us fighting and trollcepters are the exact opposite of that goal.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6806
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Posted - 2015.08.18 04:23:07 -
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Gatecamps don't qualify as content.
Though they feature heavily in parts of lowsec and fw I think? Wait maybe we need gatecampsov!!
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap, lasersov)) tears.
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. If only there was another coalition that existed to destroy them, or more legions to be paid off, or more ceptors.
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Arthur Direction
I Accidentally Basilisks
6
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Posted - 2015.08.18 04:24:17 -
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baltec1 wrote:Sentamon wrote:baltec1 wrote: One of the answers is to force the attacker to commit to attacking, remove entosis links from anything smaller than a cruiser.
How is this an answer? If pilots can't bypass gatecamps because their ship is too big you'll be able to protect hundreds of systems 99% of the time with one gatecamp. He're another answer, stop trying to control everything and unblue some people. You assume people are gatecamping at all. Frankly, even if we were what exactly is wrong about having to fight your way through small gangs of bad pilots to attack a system? The whole point of this new sov is to get us fighting and trollcepters are the exact opposite of that goal.
Confirmed no one gatecamps in 0.0 ever...
Just the top kill systems in 0.0 happen to be null/empire gateway systems. But I am sure it is just massive capital fights happening over all that prime real estate... that of course is never camped.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6806
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Posted - 2015.08.18 04:26:44 -
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You should see the ec-/torrinos gate
Half the time the badguys camp it, it doesn't even matter whose bubbles they are (I think the pirates usually supply the anchored ones)
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap, lasersov)) tears.
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. If only there was another coalition that existed to destroy them, or more legions to be paid off, or more ceptors.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16515
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Posted - 2015.08.18 04:29:15 -
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Arthur Direction wrote:
Confirmed no one gatecamps in 0.0 ever...
Just the top kill systems in 0.0 happen to be null/empire gateway systems. But I am sure it is just massive capital fights happening over all that prime real estate... that of course is never camped.
You have had some interesting posts in your lifetime, but this one was pure comedic gold.
I'll let you in on a secret, Highsec organisations camp the ec- gate more than we do.
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Arthur Direction
I Accidentally Basilisks
6
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Posted - 2015.08.18 04:45:37 -
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baltec1 wrote:Arthur Direction wrote:
Confirmed no one gatecamps in 0.0 ever...
Just the top kill systems in 0.0 happen to be null/empire gateway systems. But I am sure it is just massive capital fights happening over all that prime real estate... that of course is never camped.
You have had some interesting posts in your lifetime, but this one was pure comedic gold.
I'll let you in on a secret, Highsec organisations camp the ec- gate more than we do.
Made no claims as to whom was camping said gates.
You simply made the claim that "people" weren't
And while most would agree that Goons don't quite qualify as "people", you overreached and generalized to make a completely indefensible claim. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6806
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Posted - 2015.08.18 04:48:04 -
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Gatecamp sov should require you to use some sort of laser on the gate...
Call it a gatelink.
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
784
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Posted - 2015.08.18 04:48:53 -
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Sentamon wrote:baltec1 wrote: One of the answers is to force the attacker to commit to attacking, remove entosis links from anything smaller than a cruiser.
How is this an answer? If pilots can't bypass gatecamps because their ship is too big you'll be able to protect hundreds of systems 99% of the time with one gatecamp. He're another answer, stop trying to control everything and unblue some people.
What's the answer to a gatecamp? FRIENDS! Preferably in BLOPS(Don't do it too often or else you might get counter-dropped). No friends? Too bad the other side wins because they commited more pilots and time than you!
No one ever said taking sov was easy from a group of organized people.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6806
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Posted - 2015.08.18 04:51:05 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:What's the answer to a gatecamp? FRIENDS! Preferably in BLOPS(Don't do it too often or else you might get counter-dropped). No friends? Too bad the other side wins because they commited more pilots and time than you!
No one ever said taking sov was easy from a group of organized people. It should be, if not we need more sov lasers and fast-aligning, fast-warpspeed, interdiction-nullified platforms for them
EDIT: Actually just go around, in your fast-aligning, fast-warpseed, interdiction-nullfied sovlaser platform it should be easy, though getting through ec- isn't that hard anyway as your platform should be a fast-aligning, fast-warpseed, interdiction-nullfied one
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16515
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Posted - 2015.08.18 04:54:22 -
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Arthur Direction wrote:
Made no claims as to whom was camping said gates.
You simply made the claim that "people" weren't
And while most would agree that Goons don't quite qualify as "people", you overreached and generalized to make a completely indefensible claim.
Did I?
Generally the only gatecamps to be found in our space are in ec- and even then its only around 2-5 ships flown by other people hostile to us. Saying you cant get cruisers into our space is an outright lie.
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Arthur Direction
I Accidentally Basilisks
6
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Posted - 2015.08.18 06:04:11 -
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baltec1 wrote:Arthur Direction wrote:
Made no claims as to whom was camping said gates.
You simply made the claim that "people" weren't
And while most would agree that Goons don't quite qualify as "people", you overreached and generalized to make a completely indefensible claim.
Did I? Generally the only gatecamps to be found in our space are in ec- and even then its only around 2-5 ships flown by other people hostile to us. Saying you cant get cruisers into our space is an outright lie.
Now you are going to fabricate a story that I claimed Cruisers couldn't get through your space?
The only thing I am doing here is pointing out how absolutely absurd your post was, and now I get to point out how you are a liar as well.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6806
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Posted - 2015.08.18 06:13:45 -
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How disingenuous of you, as expected of GD
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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Salvos Rhoska
1249
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Posted - 2015.08.18 10:10:18 -
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Sentamon wrote:Oh come on now. If you want fights and more people in null, you don't make the entry point T3 cruisers that cause skill loss on death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3uTVTBKb_E Try doing something fun for a change.
Great vid. I really enjoyed that.
Didnt completely understand a great deal of the commentary, due to being terrible at pvp, but it taught me a great deal about advanced pvp techniques and concerns I had never considered.
Its a bit dated, but isnt this quite a strong case for trollceptors actually having a place as they are now in EVE?
He's not using Entosis for sov per se, but rather to entice a fight from the occupants. Sure he picks his fights carefully, and there isnt much stopping him from running if necessary, but he seems to be having a ball and is creating content for himself and the defense occupants.
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Hemmo Paskiainen
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Posted - 2015.08.18 13:08:13 -
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Brian Harrelstein wrote:Quote:GREYSCALE & GOONS KILLED EVE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
I have been soo kind to fix it for you.
The correct answer to the OP's question should be: Emotional Attachment to your own perception in your own mind.
It has something to do with the old prehistoric food gathering & rewarding mechanism in our mind.
Monkeys in the Zoo respond on the same way if you stop their daily banana diet, and give them tomato's instead.
Just keeeep continuing to swallow the blue donut... wasn't all that Technetium a goood thing!
"Relativity equals time plus momentum: if it can be erased by a single click on a button, would it be worth spending your time?"
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.08.18 13:36:37 -
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Arthur Direction wrote:baltec1 wrote:Arthur Direction wrote:Confirmed no one gatecamps in 0.0 ever... Just the top kill systems in 0.0 happen to be null/empire gateway systems. But I am sure it is just massive capital fights happening over all that prime real estate... that of course is never camped. You have had some interesting posts in your lifetime, but this one was pure comedic gold. I'll let you in on a secret, Highsec organisations camp the ec- gate more than we do. Made no claims as to whom was camping said gates. You simply made the claim that "people" weren't And while most would agree that Goons don't quite qualify as "people", you overreached and generalized to make a completely indefensible claim. Y-MP is gate camped by Honourable Third Party about as much as Volt. Hostiles camping our gate. Sentamon wrote:Oh come on now. If you want fights and more people in null, you don't make the entry point T3 cruisers that cause skill loss on death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3uTVTBKb_E Try doing something fun for a change. I turned off notifications a long time ago. They are too annoying. I suspect eventually that most everyone will do the same and only respond to real threats and not time wasters like that guy.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.18 18:32:05 -
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Arthur Direction wrote:
Now you are going to fabricate a story that I claimed Cruisers couldn't get through your space?
The only thing I am doing here is pointing out how absolutely absurd your post was, and now I get to point out how you are a liar as well.
You jumped in the defend someone who said that.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:25:55 -
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To me, this says, "We will keep adding spices and shoving until you swallow it."
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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