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Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.15 16:56:04 -
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Complaint mode on. Step away if you have an aversion to whining.
I think exploration still needs tweaking. Years ago when I played before, scanning and probing was so tedious, I stopped doing it. Since then CCP simplified it and made it more fun to do.
BUT, it still needs a few more tweaks. It is mainly with data and relic sites. I have spent too many times probing down a site to a high percentage, sometimes a high at 94%, only to move my scan are ever so slightly and the darn thing changes to a very low percentage scan, like 5%. This is unacceptable. The scan results are too inconsistent and unpredictable.
Also the controls are terrible still. When you get close to your target, the rotation control stops working altogether and many times when you use the shift control, it manipulates the probe positions instead. This is not good. It needs work.
AND. Us explorers spend a decent amount of effort, the rewards should be better more often. I work in 5 sec systems and to spend the amount of time on tracking down relic sites due to the problems already mentioned, only to get garbage booty makes exploration a waste of time. If you are going to make the process of probing so unreliable, at least make the efforts worth the prize. We won't mind some work if you get rewarded in kind.
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Trevor Dalech
We pooped on your lawn Resonance.
125
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Posted - 2015.08.15 17:00:10 -
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Learn to scan...
Personally, I think they've made scanning too easy and wish they would turn back the last year or changes. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
22751
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Posted - 2015.08.15 17:05:11 -
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Exploration: working as intended.
OP: entitled as expected.
Your stuff: to me it should be contracted.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
1027
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Posted - 2015.08.15 17:07:28 -
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Kennedy Lincoln wrote:I work in 5 sec systems and to spend the amount of time on tracking down relic sites due to the problems already mentioned, only to get garbage booty makes exploration a waste of time. What do you mean by "5 sec systems"?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25649
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Posted - 2015.08.15 17:11:39 -
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Just bump your skills a bit and you quickly lose that (intentional) unreliability in the scans.
I'm assuming that by GÇ£5 securityGÇ¥, you mean 0.5, which means nothing you will find will ever really strain a good setup. Now, granted, my perspective is a bit skewed since I have the entire skill group to V so I can readily skip 2GÇô3 steps in the narrowing-down process without losing track of the signal, but that just means you should be able to do it fairly easily if you take it one careful step at a time. In the meantime, you could compensate a bit by using better equipment.
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Divine Entervention
Warriors Gaming Corporation Imperium Galactic Empire
555
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Posted - 2015.08.15 17:26:19 -
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I explore with a heron.
I don't even have any of those exploration skills at level 4 and I haven't found a site I can't scan down.
It's just one of those things you have to be smarter than to be good at.
I'd recommend youtube tutorials and trying to think "if I were this cosmic signature, where would I be?"
It'll help alot. One day you too can be an expert explorer. The Christopher Magellan of Space. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1460
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Posted - 2015.08.15 17:39:38 -
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Tbh, the current scanning system feels fine for me. Can locate sites & stuff fairly easy. Also, a harder to scan sig is usually good news: harder to find: good stuff to loot.
The easier something can be scanned down, the less worth it is (there's alot of explorers out there!)
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9097
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Posted - 2015.08.15 17:49:08 -
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When scanning for good threads, I keep ending up in places like this. I guess I need to hone my exploration skills.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
279
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Posted - 2015.08.15 18:19:43 -
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I'm not rubbing it in or anything..
But today, 1 combat site, .9 system, 72.1m.
:) |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
131
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Posted - 2015.08.15 18:24:35 -
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Sig scanning is a walk in the park now. The only sig that is moderately hard to locate is the superior sleeper cache, and even that isn't much of a challenge with the right skills and equipment. |
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
371
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Posted - 2015.08.15 18:27:02 -
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Kennedy Lincoln wrote:I have spent too many times probing down a site to a high percentage, sometimes a high at 94%, only to move my scan are ever so slightly and the darn thing changes to a very low percentage scan, like 5%. This is unacceptable. The scan results are too inconsistent and unpredictable. You're doing something wrong as I'm not having this problem even on a lightly trained character.
What are your scanning skills, are you using a scanning bonused ship, and Sisters probes? Are you zooming in to be better able to adjust position? Do you rotate your view so you can adjust horizontally, and then vertically? Are you grabbing an arrow so you only move in one direction at a time to make adjustments? Are you using the pinpoint icon?
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Panthe3 Black
The Branded Few Test Alliance Please Ignore
18
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Posted - 2015.08.15 19:15:51 -
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tl;dr inb4l |
Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
4
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Posted - 2015.08.15 20:43:10 -
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What kind of sites are we talking about here? My probing skills are quite incomplete, Astrometric IV, Astrometric Rangefinding II, Astrometric Pinpointing II, and Gallente Frigate III, but I have yet to find a non-sleeper-cache site that I could not pin down with t1 equipment. If you need to get a final 5% or so, just hold the alt key and drag your probes in a little tighter manually. That's worked for me thus far anyway. I will grant you I am new to the game, but I have been exploring wormholes since my first week or so. If you want any more advice feel free to stop by our corp's public channel "EvE-Scout". Aside from being a recruitment channel it is also a place to talk shop about exploring and wormholes generally. |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2091
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:03:09 -
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psst - Hey OP, wanna buy some RSS probes? *opens coat* Or some Sisters probes? *opens other side of coat*
and go to lowsec then nullsec...free extra for ya
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Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
67
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:10:32 -
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The problem isn't that CCP made scanning hard;compared to a while back it's almost "drunk-enabled" at the moment. The main problem I have is that during EVE busiest time, I usually have one to three people showing up at a scan site when I do and it turns into an Oklahoman landrush ( as intended by CCP). Either that or all the sigs get run so much they all eventually congregate in some far off backwater of the region. The most I've seen is 24+ anomalies and 8 scannable sigs in one system. Sure, I always tend to return to that system and check, but other players have caught on and usually only the dregs are left.
But, too hard?............
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
307
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:46:15 -
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Not sure what the OP is doing wrong, i suspect bad skills, crap equipment and a lack of understanding on how probing works. probing is very easy to do these days. |
Hengle Teron
Explosions Delivered with Love
56520
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:58:25 -
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Probing is too easy. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.08.15 23:42:56 -
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Kennedy Lincoln wrote:... I have spent too many times probing down a site to a high percentage, sometimes a high at 94%, .... Are you a newbie in a Heron? My ship is weak, skills pretty low and I only hit 90%+ when scanning sleeper caches, other than that everywhere, I leap from 50% or so to 100%.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12538
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Posted - 2015.08.16 00:12:58 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:Probing is too easy. They took the challenge out of exploration years ago. Now exploration discussions have come to be mostly loot entitlement rather than building the better pew-pew exploration ships to do sites. It's a no brainer now, cookie-cutter ships you load up with mini-game modules.
I'm in it for the money
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
578
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Posted - 2015.08.16 08:39:52 -
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I have never had an issue with scanning a site down. You are either insufficiently skilled, using the wrong ships or modules or a combination of both. |
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Remiel Pollard
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
6880
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Posted - 2015.08.16 09:06:17 -
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Kennedy Lincoln wrote:Us explorers spend a decent amount of effort, the rewards should be better more often.
Effort has nothing to do with reward, risk does. And exploration is virtually risk free, especially with the Astero. The rewards are appropriate.
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Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
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Starbuck05
Scope Works
284
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Posted - 2015.08.16 09:23:52 -
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Upgrade your skills bro .. and use a better ship / mods
IF you think scanning stuff in high sec is hard ... w8 till u get to null or wh space ( where also the good "boooty "is ) but for those who can scan .. even null or wh's are easy ..
So again ... time for an upgrade
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Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2015.08.16 13:37:51 -
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Thanks for all the replies, except for the dumb comments. I have decent scanning skills and an Imicus but I suppose I need to be more patient when the relic sites are hard to scan down. Some good advice here that I will heed. |
Max Fubarticus
The Scope Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.08.16 14:08:58 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:I'm not rubbing it in or anything..
But today, 1 combat site, .9 system, 72.1m.
:)
Not bad at all. Some of you may remember the change to "scatter can" mechanic at relic / data sites ( does it still do that? been a while since I did sites). A group of us went out to try the new mechanics, one hacking, others blobbed together waiting for the can to pop, drinking heavily, small ships bumping into each other trying to get all the loot before it magically evaporated. A skill book here, piece of carbon there, a silly game mechanic that drove grown men ( notice I refrained from using mature adults as copious amounts of alcohol was involved ) to yellow boxing each other and eventually trying (some succeeded) to kill one another. A good time had by all. Moral... we took a bad game mechanic and created our own content with it. Just thought I would share that |
Starbuck05
Scope Works
285
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Posted - 2015.08.16 17:53:35 -
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Kennedy Lincoln wrote:Thanks for all the replies, except for the dumb comments. I have decent scanning skills and an Imicus but I suppose I need to be more patient when the relic sites are hard to scan down. Some good advice here that I will heed.
You just need to train more mate .. and train for a cov ops .. really worth it ... also get out of high sec else you'll never make a profit .
And speaking of profit .. aren't you in gal FW ? .im assuming you're trying to do these for fun no ? if so .. again , get out of high sec ..
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1746
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Posted - 2015.08.16 18:42:14 -
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Just popping in here to say that yeah, extra skill points makes scanning things easier, but like most things in game learning the mechanics as a player. We try to teach our newbies things like manually moving probes, how to use the different scan results (I.e why two red dots are better than one), trying to sniff out low traffic areas on the map that might be more likely to have more sites, etc. As for those skill points, make sure you put them in the right places (tip: save acquisition for last).
On the subject of loot, high sec sites are generally terrible. Time to dip your toes into some more dangerous space. Good luck
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation Holy Arumbian Empire
1915
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Posted - 2015.08.16 19:54:01 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:When scanning for good threads, I keep ending up in places like this. I guess I need to hone my exploration skills. Mr Epeen Well done sir.
As for the OP, is this a rant or a F&I post? Either way it probably doesn't belong here. I personally never have issues probing, but all level V's and virtue implants help.
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Harrison Tato
Immortalis Fratres Vacui Legio immortales CXCI
474
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Posted - 2015.08.16 22:36:52 -
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I move my probes individually sometimes to get that last 5% - skills are a bit lacking. |
ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2015.08.16 22:45:46 -
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Topic Moved to FANDI
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
445
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Posted - 2015.08.16 23:05:32 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:When scanning for good threads, I keep ending up in places like this. I guess I need to hone my exploration skills. Mr Epeen But what do you so when you have forum scanning trained to level 5. Maybe they need to give us an advanced forum scanning skill we can work on.
OP go into the esc menu and turn on the old style map that will help.
Other than that I tend to agree with the higher skills and better equipment theory.
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