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Kel'xun Shi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.10 05:54:00 -
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*The tranmission begins and the sillouhette of a middle-aged khanid male appears.*
Greetings, I am Kel'xun Shi, a Khanid Amarrian. I have recently finished training and have been released as a full-fledged pod-pilot. But this is not all that I have to say.
I am a man of God. I follow his righteous words and scriptures. I fight for them. Live them. My family members find my zealotry and rabid following of the scriptures almost fanatical and scary. I call it faithful. But I want more.
I am looking for any Amarrian that is very well versed, very wise, and very knowledgeable of the scriptures and God. I am looking to be tutored. I wish to rise up and help spread the wonderous faith and belief in God. To help those lesser find true enlightenment and save their wretched souls from sin.
I am willing to enter under ones service, free of charge or otherwise, so long as I am tutored and grow in God. So any Amarrian of God, please contact me if you are willing to help me help the Empire.
I am Kel'xun Shi, Crusader of God.
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Ottom Ephesianos
Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.10 06:47:00 -
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whoa there little fella. Torture? I mean really...
--------------------------------- "Trust me I've done this before." Elite R. Ephesianos ---------------------------------
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Kel'xun Shi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.10 06:49:00 -
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Tutored. Taught. Schooled.
Pay more attention, please.
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Silas Vitalia
Royal Knights of Khanid Order of the Khanid Crown
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Posted - 2006.12.10 08:42:00 -
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Feel free to contact me when we are both at our comms; we might have a great deal to discuss, Kel'Xun. Khanid crusaders loyal to the King and full of zeal to do great things are just the sort we are looking for.
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Kel'xun Shi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.10 10:05:00 -
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*nods* That I shall. You shall be hearing from me soon. Thank you.
I am a Man of God. I am a Crusader. I speak the Scriptures through fire. |
Merdaneth
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Posted - 2006.12.10 11:26:00 -
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Greetings Kel'Xun,
If you are looking for a tutor, especially one that help you yo grow in God, there is one important advice I can give you:
Examine everything you are taught closely, and reflect how it affects your relationship with God.
For we only know the Word of God through the actions of men. And while God is perfect, men and the tools they use (like the scriptures) to spread the Word of God are not. Men cannot help (even with the best intentions) to distort, misinterpret or misrepresent the Word of God, because mere words cannot encompass God.
You primary guide to the Word of God must be your own bond with God. All other means are imperfect and therefore suspect.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.10 12:08:00 -
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Do everyone a favour and fly into the nearest O-class star you can find.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2006.12.10 17:52:00 -
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It is a pleasure to see a man of strong faith and pure intent. I wish you every success in your endeavours to serve our Lord.
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Tharrn
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.12.10 20:54:00 -
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My advice to you would be to get into contact with PIE Inc. I suspect you could learn a lot from people like Archbishop or Grand Inquisitor Gaius Kador.
Now recruiting!
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Sepherim
Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2006.12.11 00:32:00 -
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Another two pious members you may seek are Lord Khan Rodak, and Lord Arderich. They know much about religion, and Lord Rodak even is the head of the Manu Dei, a religious organization who tutors those who seek it.
I'll be happy to aid you in whatever I can if you whant to seek me, but I'm no scholar I'm afraid. ---------------------
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.11 01:27:00 -
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I have a set of Vulcan cannons that have proven excellent at bringing slavers face to face with their god. I will try to be of assistance.
>> RECRUITING << |
Kel'xun Shi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.11 02:06:00 -
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Thank you, brothers and sisters for the generous help you have given.
To you dissenters, please, do not speak without knowing a man you talk of. I am no slaver. I am a man of God.
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Vanzer
Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.11 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kel'xun Shi I am no slaver. I am a man of God.
To most Amarr, the two are the same, so you can forgive our disstrust.
My advice would be to think for yourself, but again, most Amarr lack that capacity.
I'm a wanderer by trade, a**hole by choice |
Sepherim
Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2006.12.11 03:01:00 -
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To be able to think by yourself, you first must know what others have said and thought. The more you know, the more complex and deep your thoughts can be, and so, you can think better. Hearing the wiseman doesn't mean following their precepts blindly.
But of course, this is just another proof of the Republic's educational sistem. ---------------------
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sepherim To be able to think by yourself, you first must know what others have said and thought. The more you know, the more complex and deep your thoughts can be, and so, you can think better. Hearing the wiseman doesn't mean following their precepts blindly.
But of course, this is just another proof of the Republic's educational sistem.
Thinking for yourself does not require knowledge of the thoughts of others. Not knowing what you know does not mean I cannot think for myself. That is just a lie they teach you in your religious schools and temples. You cannot follow the Amarrian god any way other than blindly since your faith requires blind obedience to be a part of it. No rational being ever joins it. Either they are forced to it as slaves or have it beaten into them from birth.
The Republic Education system is vastly superior to the Amarrian. After all we have more than just the Pax Amarria for reference. The line of young Amarrians at the Hulm University is testament to this.
How a coward like you can be so consistently wrong and yet so arrogant is beyond me.
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Sepherim
Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2006.12.11 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Thinking for yourself does not require knowledge of the thoughts of others. Not knowing what you know does not mean I cannot think for myself.
Then you will be limited in your thoughts. +Have you never studied theology or philosophy? You'll easily see there how more and more complex thoughts are built by different authors over the base of what others said. Even those who disagree know really why they disagree and can argue reasons and points. Knowledge never blinds, it is ignorance who does. If you have not enough criticism in you to understand the difference between know/learn and accept, then I'm quite dissapointed.
In fact, check history and you'll see that each time knowledge has been lost, the next authors simply re-invent what already was known. Afterall, as Thadius Emericus, a good scholar, once said, "we are on the shoulders of giants"*.
Quote: That is just a lie they teach you in your religious schools and temples. You cannot follow the Amarrian god any way other than blindly since your faith requires blind obedience to be a part of it. No rational being ever joins it.
Most people agree that I'm quite a rationale man, and I'm religious too. Many scientists are so too, and still no one can deny their rationale. Faith doesn't need you to be stupid, just needs you to seek some answers to some questions. We only teach that, simply.
Quote: Either they are forced to it as slaves or have it beaten into them from birth.
I was none of those, and am quite a religious man. Religion isn't a matter of white or black, Mr Thrace, it's a more complex and subtle thing. You can even reach it through the logical reasoning you so much defend.
Quote: The Republic Education system is vastly superior to the Amarrian. After all we have more than just the Pax Amarria for reference.
I doubt many religious schools study Pax Amarria. It is not a religious book, but one of philosophy. It has gained much acceptance, yes, but is not part of the Scriptures. And, anyway, your words show a great lack of knowledge. Do I have to remind you that we were the first race to build stargates, even before the Jove? Or that our administrative system is vastly complex and advanced so it can govern over thousands of planets at a time? Or that our biology studies have permited us to control the slaver hounds and turn them into a usefull and docile pet? Those are not achievements you can obtain with blind Faith, but with knowledge and scientific commitment.
Can you tell me what have the Minmatarr achieved? In the time we discovered you, you hadn't even left your planet!
Quote: The line of young Amarrians at the Hulm University is testament to this.
One University among many others. Each with its own program, it's own studies and professors. For each one you point out, I can point the opposite. It's just a collection of cases, not a description of the big picture.
Quote: How a coward like you can be so consistently wrong and yet so arrogant is beyond me.
I won't bother with your insult. As for my arrogance, I am most humble with those who deserve it. You don't.
*OOC: +Is it possible/valid/accepted to use real citations this way? ---------------------
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Vanzer
Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.11 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sepherim Can you tell me what have the Minmatar achieved? In the time we discovered you, you hadn't even left your planet!
Actually, the Minmatar race devoloped its first starship in the year 21413 AD, and started to colonize new planets soon after this, while the Amarr never begain it campain of enslavement until 22480 AD, a full thousand years after.
So, what had the Minmatar achieved? Lots. But you probably don't learn that in Amarr schools. It's okay, I forgive you.
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Lanus Toram
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Posted - 2006.12.11 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: Lanus Toram on 11/12/2006 17:03:53 Double Post, please delete.
TY
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Lanus Toram
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Posted - 2006.12.11 15:50:00 -
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Greetings faithfull one.
My strongest advise would be, magister Khan Rodak. Brothr Rodak as been my magister for the last 6 months and, i dont think you will find any better than him.
I would advise you to join EXEDRA channel, whenever you are flying, and to register at Manudeist external office to fasten the contact.
I can only say, you will find the time you spend with Magister Rodak as the best time spent in your life.
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Vlad Chagur
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Posted - 2006.12.11 15:51:00 -
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I do not understand why there are so many examples of the Amarr and other civilized races who spout hatred towards the races who have not yet benefitted from receiving the word of God. True righteousness seems rare even among the faithful. Even if they are our enemies on the field of battle, it is not right to hate them and they deserve our respect. If there would not be a spark of divinity in them which we could cultivate, God would never have given His word to the Amarr to be spread to the inhabitants of New Eden. Even if they continue to live in ignorance, we should respect that potential which resides in them. A respectful attitude, even if we are crusading for the Reclaiming, will serve the faithful far better.
So, maybe the Minmatar had achieved much even before the Amarr civiliation came to them, but ultimately all things are worthless without the grace of God.
In hoc signo vinces |
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Sepherim
Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2006.12.11 18:10:00 -
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I stand corrected and recognize my error. Indeed, we don't have Minmatarr History lessons to study. In any case, let me re-build that concept. You hadn't done enough, at least in many senses. And in anyway, what was being discussed is the rational capacity of the Amarr.
I recognize my error, but your words don't invalidate my point. ---------------------
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.12 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Vanzer
Originally by: Sepherim Can you tell me what have the Minmatar achieved? In the time we discovered you, you hadn't even left your planet!
Actually, the Minmatar race devoloped its first starship in the year 21413 AD, and started to colonize new planets soon after this, while the Amarr never begain it campain of enslavement until 22480 AD, a full thousand years after.
So, what had the Minmatar achieved? Lots. But you probably don't learn that in Amarr schools. It's okay, I forgive you.
Quite correct. We could of course travelled further but we had no need to. Our abilities to live as part of our environment, to conserve natural resources not to mention our use of nano-tech meant our world was a paradise that gave us everything we needed.
Until the primitive Amarr came and bombarded our world into a wasteland and enslaved our people to do the work they are too weak to do.
The Amarr are a wasteful people, they strip mined their own world and have forever been seeking conquest to keep pace with their appetites.
As to philisophical matters. Freedom of thought and deed do not require philosopy, knowledge or external assistance. A man can live his entire life never hearing of the philosophers you speak of yet he is still able to think for himself. Thought and knowledge are not the same. You may think he is hindered in his thoughts by not having your knowledge but you are quite wrong.
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Vlad Chagur
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Posted - 2006.12.12 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Your kind have always tried to portray us a primitves. That is a lie.
Our tribal system keeps us strong, allows us to celebrate our differences and keep our skills sharp through rivalry. We do not concern ourselves with wasteful ornaments, only funtionality of form. Why scar the landscape with monstrous golden structures when with work and ingenuity it is possible to live as one with your world. Why invest so much to create a population of weak old men when honest competition and toil can create a youthful, vibrant and strong people like the Matari?
Socially, technologically and philisophically we are superior to the Amarr. You can use lies and sophistry to try and paint another picture for the cheap seats but you know the truth. Slavery will be ended, the Empire will adapt to this or it will fall, and you you little Saph will not be able to cower behind it forever.
You cling to a social system that is historically backward. Consequently I am not surprised to see many call you primitives. Of course, this is not entirely true. You have adopted to a Gallentean model of leadership, much to your own chagrin. Their system is one that promotes lives of unfulfillment.
In any case, I do recognize the Minmatar as worthy in their own right. Though your rebellion would never have been succesful without outside help, you have still proven to be troublesome to the Empire which is no small feat. Unfortunately your stubborness is hardly to your own benefit. You should look how the other races have prospered under the Amarr system, just like my own Khanid people.
Though as a race you may have potential, even if it is largerly (the Nefantar aside) wasted on youthful rebellion, it would be very difficult for anyone to agree that you are "socially, technologically and philisophically" superior. There is ample evidence in the creaking structure of your Republic and the dissent among your own tribes. You could counter this by pointing at various issues in the Amarr Empire or the Khanid Kingdom. Of course, nothing is perfect except God's grace, but we at least have that.
Given our history, I cannot blame you for hating us, but I truly wish for a day when all that can be set aside.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.12 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Vlad Chagur
You cling to a social system that is historically backward. Consequently I am not surprised to see many call you primitives. Of course, this is not entirely true. You have adopted to a Gallentean model of leadership, much to your own chagrin. Their system is one that promotes lives of unfulfillment.
The tribal system has served us well for thousands of years. As far as we know it pre-dates your Religion.
The Ushra'Khan does not use a Gallente leadership model. Our command structure is not unlike the Council of Elders our ancestors knew.
Originally by: Vlad Chagur You should look how the other races have prospered under the Amarr system, just like my own Khanid people.
The same system that called upon your King to suicide himself at which point he ran away and formed a rogue state? Well if that's your idea of a working system good luck.
Originally by: Vlad Chagur it would be very difficult for anyone to agree that you are "socially, technologically and philisophically" superior. There is ample evidence in the creaking structure of your Republic and the dissent among your own tribes.
I am not a member of the Republic. Many Matari are not.
Dissent and debate amongst the tribes is what makes us vibrant and strong. Our society is always evolving and adapting. The Amarr are stagnant, stagnation is death. Socially we are superior to you.
You believe in a mythical being that commands you to enslave the rest of the universe. Sounds like a fairy story cooked up by a failed leadership to urge an uneducated populace on the road to conquest. We concern ourselves with the realities of family, clan and tribe. We seek to live and prosper. We were a peaceful people until the Amarr destroyed our lives. I, and many like me, seek a return to those days. Philisophically we are thousands of years ahead of you.
Technologically, well I'll let the pile of golden salvage in my hangar and the Amarrian ships I see fleeing before my fleet to speak to that.
Originally by: Vlad Chagur Given our history, I cannot blame you for hating us, but I truly wish for a day when all that can be set aside.
That day can be tomorrow. Release those you have enslaved, return our planets that you still occupy, renounce slavery. Then we can work on a peaceful future for our children.
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Khan Rodak
Amarr Manu Dei
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Posted - 2006.12.12 11:58:00 -
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Hail Amarr, brother Kel'xun Shi
To bad that a single ask for instruction, info and schoolar help had derrailed into such a poor tasted discussion, and all due to the interference of heathens that cannot help you in what you seek. If anything else, it shows the lack of education most foreigners show these days.
Back to what you seek, I would refrase what Lanus already said, join our external office and register at forums there and join our in-flight comm link ½EXEDRA+. You will find but friends there and interested people that can guide you while you fly around.
Hope to see you soon, so I can get to know you a litle better.
Have faith, keep strong.
Yours
New Seminarium open
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.12 12:01:00 -
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Though I do not belong to them, I have great respect for the wisdom of the Ushra'Khan. Although it's not a massive accomplishment, they can always beat an Amarrian loyalist in a debate.
I raise my glass to you, Thrace. You're indeed a hero and a wise man.
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Vlad Chagur
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Posted - 2006.12.12 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: Vlad Chagur Given our history, I cannot blame you for hating us, but I truly wish for a day when all that can be set aside.
That day can be tomorrow. Release those you have enslaved, return our planets that you still occupy, renounce slavery. Then we can work on a peaceful future for our children.
Our holy duty does not allow that for us. The day will only come when you learn to live in peace with others, obediant under God.
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Sepherim
Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2006.12.12 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Khan Rodak Hail Amarr, brother Kel'xun Shi
To bad that a single ask for instruction, info and schoolar help had derrailed into such a poor tasted discussion, and all due to the interference of heathens that cannot help you in what you seek. If anything else, it shows the lack of education most foreigners show these days. Back to what you seek, I would refrase what Lanus already said, join our external office and register at forums there and join our in-flight comm link ½EXEDRA+. You will find but friends there and interested people that can guide you while you fly around. Hope to see you soon, so I can get to know you a litle better.
You are right, Lord Khan, and I apologize for my share of guilt on this issue. I'm sorry Mr Shi, truly am. ---------------------
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Kel'xun Shi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.12 20:23:00 -
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Tis quite alright, really. Thank you for the apology.
I am a Man of God. I am a Crusader. I speak the Scriptures through fire. |
Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:48:00 -
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I'd like that, Thrace. Good alcohol, stuff that one can truly appreciate the bouquet and vintage of, is so hard to find these days - nowadays it all seems to be the usual mass-produced sewage runoff that clogs our markets. I tell you, I wish the Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate would actually live up to their name and start producing some drink.
But yes, I may just come and visit you sometime. Perhaps we can shoot the breeze together - or some errant golden-hulled ships, eh?
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