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Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
31
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Posted - 2015.08.20 13:17:49 -
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Just listened to this here.
Sumup:
- day 1 : move in enough guys to all constelations/systems to overrun the locals
- day 2 : burn down all ihubs
- day 3 : burn down all ihubs
- day 3+n : brag in local and black mail defenders to admit defeat
- day 3+n+1 : jump clone home
Sounds like a real blitz. Strategic goal is not to actually take sov or anything though but to burn down the ihubs (their isk value and the logistic work) and most important the strategic index (100 days of work).
Wonder if that is actually going to work? What would be a good defence? This is going to be exciting anyways. |
X Gallentius
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2902
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Posted - 2015.08.20 15:37:03 -
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Step 6. Locals put up IHUBS one-two weeks later.
Overall impact: Not a big deal.
JUSTK is recruiting.
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
231
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Posted - 2015.08.20 16:56:41 -
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In my utterly inexpert opinion and to borrow an old adage:
The best defence is a good offence
Whilst the Imperium overkill burn Providence (plus all the third parties making your life hell) you set up a task force and supply them to assault Deklein at the same time as their attack. Split their attention and hope your blitz of Deklein distracts the Inperium from doing a proper job of their own invasion. Heck even hire mercenaries to help. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
803
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Posted - 2015.08.20 22:20:23 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:In my utterly inexpert opinion and to borrow an old adage:
The best defence is a good offence
Whilst the Imperium overkill burn Providence (plus all the third parties making your life hell) you set up a task force and supply them to assault Deklein at the same time as their attack. Split their attention and hope your blitz of Deklein distracts the Inperium from doing a proper job of their own invasion. Heck even hire mercenaries to help.
Highsec merc? They'll just camp jita and the routes to it. Unless you're talking about the big boys in lowsec you'd probably have to pay them billions of isk to even move and start risking their major assets(supers) in the inevitable imperium counter attack.
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X Gallentius
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2902
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Posted - 2015.08.20 22:48:20 -
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Lim Hiaret wrote:Just listened to this here. Sumup:
- day 1 : move in enough guys to all constelations/systems to overrun the locals
- day 2 : burn down all ihubs
- day 3 : burn down all ihubs
- day 3+n : brag in local and black mail defenders to admit defeat
- day 3+n+1 : jump clone home
Sounds like a real blitz. Strategic goal is not to actually take sov or anything though but to burn down the ihubs (their isk value and the logistic work) and most important the strategic index (100 days of work). Wonder if that is actually going to work? What would be a good defence? This is going to be exciting anyways. Alternate View: The US tried this in Iraq. Didn't work for them either.
JUSTK is recruiting.
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
375
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Posted - 2015.08.24 02:22:07 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Wonder if that is actually going to work? What would be a good defence? This is going to be exciting anyways. Alternate View: The US tried this in Iraq. Didn't work for them either.[/quote]
Oh Sh**! You mean the outcome of this will be a ruthless Provi group that attempts to install an Amarrian Caliphate in the rest of Eve??
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X Gallentius
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2908
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Posted - 2015.08.24 05:51:35 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Alternate View: The US tried this in Iraq. Didn't work for them either. Oh Sh**! You mean the outcome of this will be a ruthless Provi group that attempts to install an Amarrian Caliphate in the rest of Eve?? Yes that's exactly what I mean. Law of unintended consequences at its very worst.
JUSTK is recruiting.
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Les Routiers
Proudly Snoring
5
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Posted - 2015.08.24 16:15:04 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Edit: Locals simply need to have fun fighting when they can and blue ball when they can't. Either Imperium moves in or gets picked off over time. If Imperium has too many guys and puts in too much effort to defend the systems and keep indices up, then locals interested in Sov ought to move on. Otherwise, in a few weeks it will be easy to sov-troll Imperium into leaving.
You don't get it - please read the OP. The Imperium does not want to take the sov, it just wants to kill all the upgrades, reset the ADM (so anyone who later wants to troll Provi sov can do it easily enough), and grief.
So all this talk about sov guerrilla isn't going to work.
Possible counters: 1. Everybody invades Deklein and tries to bash the Imperium's USTZ (because that's when the vulnerabilty windows are). Obviously, the non-Imperium part of New Eden will be able to field an impromptu but coordinated offensive against the best-defended region of the game. Riiiiiight. 2. Everybody moves to Provi and successfully shoots Imperium, Provi alts are free to de-entosis all their stuff. Very unlikely to happen either.
More likely outcomes: - Various people move to Provi and shoot at everything that moves. - The Imperium burns Provi to the ground - People whine on forums and threaten to unsub, unless Somebody Else (tm) fixes their sandbox for them. |
d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
219
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:16:09 -
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Provi is burning... keep those JF moving out...
Been around since the beginning.
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X Gallentius
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2909
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Posted - 2015.08.24 22:19:26 -
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Les Routiers wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Edit: Locals simply need to have fun fighting when they can and blue ball when they can't. Either Imperium moves in or gets picked off over time. If Imperium has too many guys and puts in too much effort to defend the systems and keep indices up, then locals interested in Sov ought to move on. Otherwise, in a few weeks it will be easy to sov-troll Imperium into leaving. You don't get it - please read the OP. The Imperium does not want to take the sov, it just wants to kill all the upgrades, reset the ADM (so anyone who later wants to troll Provi sov can do it easily enough), and grief. So all this talk about sov guerrilla isn't going to work. Let's revisit this thread in 2-3 weeks.
JUSTK is recruiting.
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Kavoro Pel
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2015.08.25 00:30:36 -
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I see fire, lots of it.
Agent and knight of the New Order, I support James 315 and so should you.
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Thirdsin
The Red Island Foundation Shadow Cartel
28
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Posted - 2015.08.25 00:45:02 -
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Give me a strategy that WON'T work with 13,000 capsuleers behind it.... The northern conglomerate has more people than the next how many alliances combined?
That said, the strategy is great and points out just how silly the mechanics are at the moment.
A few days to grind. 100 days to recover on top of hundreds of man hours and billions and billions of isk. Seems about right.
Thank you grrrgoons for doing what needs doing to prove a point.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
813
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Posted - 2015.08.25 02:31:26 -
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Look at that burn https://timerboard.net/#
And not a single Deklein in sight.
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
851
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Posted - 2015.08.25 04:55:11 -
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Thirdsin wrote:Give me a strategy that WON'T work with 13,000 capsuleers behind it.... The northern conglomerate has more people than the next how many alliances combined?
That said, the strategy is great and points out just how silly the mechanics are at the moment.
A few days to grind. 100 days to recover on top of hundreds of man hours and billions and billions of isk. Seems about right.
Thank you grrrgoons for doing what needs doing to prove a point.
We told you so, and your welcome.
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves."
The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
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Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
22
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Posted - 2015.08.25 16:36:30 -
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Les Routiers wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Edit: Locals simply need to have fun fighting when they can and blue ball when they can't. Either Imperium moves in or gets picked off over time. If Imperium has too many guys and puts in too much effort to defend the systems and keep indices up, then locals interested in Sov ought to move on. Otherwise, in a few weeks it will be easy to sov-troll Imperium into leaving. You don't get it - please read the OP. The Imperium does not want to take the sov, it just wants to kill all the upgrades, reset the ADM (so anyone who later wants to troll Provi sov can do it easily enough), and grief. So all this talk about sov guerrilla isn't going to work. Possible counters: 1. Everybody invades Deklein and tries to bash the Imperium's USTZ (because that's when the vulnerabilty windows are). Obviously, the non-Imperium part of New Eden will be able to field an impromptu but coordinated offensive against the best-defended region of the game. Riiiiiight. 2. Everybody moves to Provi and successfully shoots Imperium, Provi alts are free to de-entosis all their stuff. Very unlikely to happen either. More likely outcomes: - Various people move to Provi and shoot at everything that moves. - The Imperium burns Provi to the ground - People whine on forums and threaten to unsub, unless Somebody Else (tm) fixes their sandbox for them.
Its not the best defended region anymore if all their bodies are on the other side of the galaxy. Just saying. Can they come back? Sure, but then they aren't in prov anymore. Right now their home is mostly honor tanked, and anything they do in prov others can counter troll with in their home.
Of course, nobody will do that cuz reasons. |
chosensister
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.08.25 21:30:46 -
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I would go for it.
We are back at the end of the week. |
Old IT Guy
Geriatric Capsuleers Inc
0
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Posted - 2015.08.26 00:31:31 -
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Quote:
The Imperiums new Sov war strategy
Who? |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
852
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Posted - 2015.08.26 01:35:23 -
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Legatus1982 wrote:Its not the best defended region anymore if all their bodies are on the other side of the galaxy. Just saying. Can they come back? Sure, but then they aren't in prov anymore. Right now their home is mostly honor tanked, and anything they do in prov others can counter troll with in their home.
Of course, nobody will do that cuz reasons. I'm sorry, If you think we would lose all our space. I must point out another quote.
And Jesus said unto them, "See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." -Matthew 24:2
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves."
The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
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Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
37
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Posted - 2015.08.26 10:14:46 -
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Falin Whalen wrote: And Jesus said unto them, "See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." -Matthew 24:2
What would Max have to say to that? You know, the Amarr religion might not be related to Christianity. So...
[IC] Grrr Heretics! [/IC]
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
816
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Posted - 2015.08.26 21:29:03 -
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Lim Hiaret wrote:Falin Whalen wrote: And Jesus said unto them, "See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." -Matthew 24:2
What would Max have to say to that? You know, the Amarr religion might not be related to Christianity. So... [IC] Grrr Heretics! [/IC]
Drifters Dindu Nuthin!
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Lucy Callagan
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Drama Sutra
28
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Posted - 2015.08.27 00:52:39 -
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https://zkillboard.com/br/50560/ Dunked
[17:34:53] LucyCallagan > Respectez mon Eliterie je vous prie !
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X Gallentius
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2910
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Posted - 2015.08.27 04:20:46 -
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Lucy Callagan wrote:https://zkillboard.com/br/50560/ Dunked I see morale is at an all time low in Providence. How will you guys survive this massacre?
JUSTK is recruiting.
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
852
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Posted - 2015.08.27 05:08:09 -
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Lucy Callagan wrote:https://zkillboard.com/br/50560/ Dunked Bob is appeased by our sacrifice. The "War" is as good as won.
By the end of the week, Providence will be a wasteland that will take 100 days, trillions of ISK, and a herculean effort by logicians to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
Providence timerboard. Also This.
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves."
The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
816
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Posted - 2015.08.27 05:21:50 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Lucy Callagan wrote:https://zkillboard.com/br/50560/ Dunked Bob is appeased by our sacrifice. The "War" is as good as won. By the end of the week, Providence will be a wasteland that will take 100 days, trillions of ISK, and a herculean effort by logicians to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Providence timerboard. Also This.
I don't understand how the timerboard works. What does each column mean especially the last three.
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
108
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Posted - 2015.08.27 07:10:37 -
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Thirdsin wrote:Give me a strategy that WON'T work with 13,000 capsuleers behind it.... The northern conglomerate has more people than the next how many alliances combined?
It's more like 30.000+ from what I counted (if not mistaken 6 out of 10 biggest alliances are in CFC), so once again, what does this prove in terms of poor mechanics? |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
816
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Posted - 2015.08.27 09:27:19 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:Thirdsin wrote:Give me a strategy that WON'T work with 13,000 capsuleers behind it.... The northern conglomerate has more people than the next how many alliances combined?
It's more like 30.000+ from what I counted (if not mistaken 6 out of 10 biggest alliances are in CFC), so once again, what does this prove in terms of poor mechanics?
Breaking news a numerically superior force with superior logistics, leadership and planning crushes a smaller force with inferior logistics, leadership and planning.
More at 11 as we interview Gevlon about how the Goons are dying by the billions in provi while they lose sov.
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Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
402
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Posted - 2015.08.27 10:10:13 -
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This. CFC could have done exactly the same with the old sov system and every other not completly ******** system.
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Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
39
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Posted - 2015.08.27 11:51:04 -
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Lucy Callagan wrote:https://zkillboard.com/br/50560/ Dunked
That counts as homeland defense |
Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
22
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Posted - 2015.08.27 11:52:28 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Legatus1982 wrote:Its not the best defended region anymore if all their bodies are on the other side of the galaxy. Just saying. Can they come back? Sure, but then they aren't in prov anymore. Right now their home is mostly honor tanked, and anything they do in prov others can counter troll with in their home.
Of course, nobody will do that cuz reasons. I'm sorry, If you think we would lose all our space. I must point out another quote. And Jesus said unto them, "See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." -Matthew 24:2
Nobody said anything about losing all your space. I said trolling. Or more accurately, counter trolling. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
714
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Posted - 2015.08.27 16:56:01 -
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13 dreads lost for the loss of 1 Super and 1 Titan.
Considering Goons can easily replace those losses (as is evidenced by B-5 fight), I wonder how long CVA can take this kind of punishment? |
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