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Red Khalmer
Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan
48
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Posted - 2015.08.22 00:05:28 -
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Today the Ushra'Khan fleet with miltia allies went forth to intervene the flagship handover. After our Tornado fleet was setup we began our operation. 2 jumps away our spies confirmed that Drifters had landed on station and was engaging the Amarrian fleet and their primary target was the Empress. Tension increased in communications until it was verified that Jamyl was infact dead. The Minmatar communications was overjoyed we could not believe that such a glorious event would ever take place at a time like this.
After the death of Jamyl the Amarrian vanguard quickly left the Safizon system to go to Amarr. On the way our brothers and sisters caught a number of Amarrian loyalists on the way to Amarr as the chaos ensued.
This was a great day for the Minmatar people and marks a new dawn for new eden. The Amarr navy lost their foothold, overconfidient and disillusioned they thought they could do what they wished unopposed. The drifters saw through that it will not happen again.
Ushra'Khan will continue our efforts on attacking vital Amarrian infrastructure in both highsec and lowsec, we encourage anyone loyal to the matari to engage the Amarrian navy and their Capsuleer allies. Elimating CVA and PIE leadership is of great importance during this timeperiod to come. Taking out these targets will be rewarded by the Minmatar Secret Service (Contact me for further information).
Long live The Matari people! Long live Ushra'Khan! |
Louella Dougans
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
180
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Posted - 2015.08.22 00:13:24 -
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Red Khalmer wrote:This was a great day for the Minmatar people and marks a new dawn for new eden.
Empress Jamyl released more slaves than the Elder Fleet or the Republic ever managed to.
Empress Jamyl said that the Age of Slavery was coming to an end.
Empress Jamyl punished those slave holders who did not release their slaves when commanded.
New dawn ?
Hardly.
New day of darkness, is more probable.
You think that those reformations are likely to continue ?
Be a Space Nun, it is fun. \o/
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1377
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Posted - 2015.08.22 00:13:54 -
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So ... respectfully, triumphalism right now might be a little ill-advised?
The Empress seemed to be moving the empire towards the elimination of slavery, even if it wasn't happening fast enough to suit you. The next in line might have other ideas.
Also, we have no idea what the Drifters are going to do next.
I wouldn't assume "join the TLF" is on their agenda. "See what happens when all four empires undergo major changes of leadership simultaneously" seems like a possibility, though. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1026
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Posted - 2015.08.22 00:23:07 -
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After a cursory glance at metrics: So what you mean is you lost 700m worth of battlecruisers and support to destroy sub 5m of 'loyalists'. What a great day for your people. But whatever, carpe diem, my friend, carpe diem.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
399
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Posted - 2015.08.22 00:24:10 -
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The Empress was moving the Empire towards the final subjugation and breaking of our imprisoned people. She released the indoctrinated and broken as a weapon against the Tribes, a masterful PR stunt and attack on her enemies' resources, but an attack nonetheless.
She had no intention of seeing our people freed, and the Empire will never release their hold on them willingly.
We are left with one option. Taking them back, one by one, a hundred by a hundred. It may not happen in our lifetimes, but abandoning even one is not an option. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1028
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Posted - 2015.08.22 00:28:35 -
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Try not to shoot yourselves in the foot too hard while doing this. There's comic relief and then there's just tragedy.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1390
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Posted - 2015.08.22 00:37:53 -
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Desiderya wrote:Try not to shoot yourselves in the foot too hard while doing this. There's comic relief and then there's just tragedy. Well-- tragedy can be cathartic....
Somehow I think if this goes really badly we'll be too busy trying not to lose all our civilizations to appreciate it, though. |
Kairelle
Raven.Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2015.08.22 01:40:28 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Desiderya wrote:Try not to shoot yourselves in the foot too hard while doing this. There's comic relief and then there's just tragedy. Well-- tragedy can be cathartic.... Somehow I think if this goes really badly we'll be too busy trying not to lose all our civilizations to appreciate it, though.
You can always appreciate a good laugh.....even if it is on your deathbed.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
235
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Posted - 2015.08.22 08:08:28 -
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Amarr super weapon now confirmed useless...Elder Fleet 2.0 confirmed under construction.
When the ancient Minmatar faced a time of darkness and cataclysm the Amarr Empire responded with an opportunistic invasion leading to centuries of slavery and oppression. Payback has been a long time in the making, expect nothing less than the same from the tribes. (Minus the slavery...we will just decorate our hulls with captured holy memorabilia so you have to commit heresy every time you shoot us)
Incidentally if someone knows a diplo contact for the Drifters The Republic are keen to chat with them. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1912
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Posted - 2015.08.22 08:14:32 -
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Louella Dougans wrote:Red Khalmer wrote:This was a great day for the Minmatar people and marks a new dawn for new eden. Empress Jamyl released more slaves than the Elder Fleet or the Republic ever managed to. Empress Jamyl said that the Age of Slavery was coming to an end. Empress Jamyl punished those slave holders who did not release their slaves when commanded. New dawn ? Hardly. New day of darkness, is more probable. You think that those reformations are likely to continue ? Ms. Dougans, you now can witness infamous Minmatar gratitude to release of their slaves. Nobody else in the history of New Eden didn't free more slaves than Her Majesty.
Maybe Minmatars simply need their slaves in the Empire to show them as "evil" just to attack it. Kindness of deceased Her Majesty was definitely ruining Minmatar plans. |
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Kairelle
Raven.Syndicate
6
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Posted - 2015.08.22 08:24:41 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:Amarr super weapon now confirmed useless...Elder Fleet 2.0 confirmed under construction.
When the ancient Minmatar faced a time of darkness and cataclysm the Amarr Empire responded with an opportunistic invasion leading to centuries of slavery and oppression. Payback has been a long time in the making, expect nothing less than the same from the tribes. (Minus the slavery...we will just decorate our hulls with captured holy memorabilia so you have to commit heresy every time you shoot us)
Incidentally if someone knows a diplo contact for the Drifters The Republic are keen to chat with them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't payback usually mean being actively involved?
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
970
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Posted - 2015.08.22 08:31:12 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote: Incidentally if someone knows a diplo contact for the Drifters The Republic are keen to chat with them.
Are you Nefantar by any chance ?
Cos that whole "we'll help if you promise to kill us last" thing you've got going there, looks very much like the Nefantar who helped the Amarr invasion of Pator, after receiving assurances that they would be enslaved last.
Hurr.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1479
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Posted - 2015.08.22 08:36:10 -
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While I can somewhat understand Ushra'Khan's joy at the recent turn of events, I feel this celebratory message is in bad taste, especially as we do not know the stance of the Drifters regadring the republic & slavery. So far they have shown no qualms in using the corpses of the dead for their nefarious purposes, not a good sign towards their moral standards.
As a closing note: 'Sometimes the Enemy of your Enemy is just that, an Enemy'
Empress Jamyl Sarum I assassinated by Drifter taskforce!
13th Alliance Tournament first weekend results
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
235
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Posted - 2015.08.22 08:39:04 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote: Incidentally if someone knows a diplo contact for the Drifters The Republic are keen to chat with them.
Are you Nefantar by any chance ? Cos that whole "we'll help if you promise to kill us last" thing you've got going there, looks very much like the Nefantar who helped the Amarr invasion of Pator, after receiving assurances that they would be enslaved last. Hurr.
Minmatar Civilisation is the most likely to survive a Drifter invasion. Socially adaptable people who maintain a shared history and culture.
Ammatar The Republic Pirates (whether Angel Cartel or otherwise) Nomads (Thukker Tribe etc) Gallente and Caldari Citizens
All are Minmatar and Minni tech is the least high tech and most flexible. If any ethnicity/culture will survive a Drifter apocalypse my money is on the Tribes. Last faction standing FTW. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1912
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Posted - 2015.08.22 08:51:49 -
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I forgot to add. Ushra'Khan fleet was using the same tactics as drifter while attacking Imperial vessels after the tragedy. Luckily for us, they weren't as efficient and several tribal ships went down.
I myself helped to kill three of these nasty tribals, and wish I could have assisted more.
And yes, I'll repeat. Celebrating death of the Empress, who have freed way more slaves than whole Ushra'Khan themselves ever did throughout their whole history of existence, is very disgusting sight. |
Trii Seo
Executive Outcomes
853
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Posted - 2015.08.22 09:44:15 -
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I will suspend my joy until it is certain she doesn't clone back and return. The Drifters don't appear to have an envoy but in terms of contacting them... well, I might just know someone who can help with that particular bit.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name!
Proud pilot of the Imperium
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Quattras Peione
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
116
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Posted - 2015.08.22 10:08:44 -
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My personal feelings regarding the late Empress and her regime aside, I find these celebratory displays of chest-thumping bravado distasteful at best. This is a time for reflection.
Given the prospect of further attacks against heads of state, I am glad the Caldari power structure is as decentralized as it is; I dare say we are particularly suited to be resilient in the face of such a threat.
Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione
No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
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chaosjj
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2015.08.22 10:19:55 -
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For once, i have to agree with miss Kim, the passing of Empress Jamyl will not help the the situation of all Matari that are still enslaved, further more, losing one of the most powerfull induviduals in the cluster brings the risk political trouble, remember Court Chamberlain Karsoth?
And how certain are we that Jamyl Sarum will not re-emerge? She was a Capsuleer, and while there is ofcourse that pesky holy flesh law that prevents Amarr royalty from being cloned, don't forget that she escaped death before. And given the fact that i am a complete atheist and think that all notions of "devine ressurection" are nonsense, i am convinced that she cloned once before. |
Kyoko Sakoda
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
248
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Posted - 2015.08.22 10:48:16 -
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Even though I sympathize with the Matari people, this is in pretty poor taste.
But, whatever. I'm mature enough to know that Ushra'Khan is a fringe group that doesn't speak for the Republic. And killing Ushra'Khan will never stop being satisfying and/or hilarious. |
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1343
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Posted - 2015.08.22 11:02:56 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote: Incidentally if someone knows a diplo contact for the Drifters The Republic are keen to chat with them.
Are you Nefantar by any chance ? Cos that whole "we'll help if you promise to kill us last" thing you've got going there, looks very much like the Nefantar who helped the Amarr invasion of Pator, after receiving assurances that they would be enslaved last. Hurr.
Are we seriously going for clich+¬s now... ? |
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Nakito Kobara
Yamagata Syndicate Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
35
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Posted - 2015.08.22 11:04:51 -
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Red Khalmer wrote:
This was a great day for the Minmatar people and marks a new dawn for new eden.
!
Be careful what you wish for. This new dawn may be far worse than you could imagine.
Yamagata Syndicate - Caldari State FW, PvE, PvP. Join today!
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
486
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Posted - 2015.08.22 13:06:47 -
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There will be a response to this outrageous post my myself, Divine Commodore and Prophet of God. That response will involve the torture, mutilation, and sacrifice of Minmatar slaves. Lots of them. Amen. Amarr Victor. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
403
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Posted - 2015.08.22 13:42:54 -
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Nakito Kobara wrote:Red Khalmer wrote:
This was a great day for the Minmatar people and marks a new dawn for new eden.
!
Be careful what you wish for. This new dawn may be far worse than you could imagine.
Perhaps, but things getting worse before they get better is often the case. The facts remain. The Empire were never going to release our people willingly, other than broken and indoctrinated little weapons against the Tribes. The recently cloned Empress (feel free to chase down her clone by the way, agents last reported her in Chaven) attacked the Tribes in that very fashion and no one can tell me she wasn't a quite vocal proponent of militaristic reclaiming.
The Empire has suffered a blow, and those of us the Empire has sought to destroy, enslave and indoctrinate for centuries cheer. Should anyone be surprised? Let's face it, if Shakor got his teeth kicked in, the smug and arrogant IGS posting by the Amarr loyalists would blot out several front pages across every thread.
It is the way of things. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
974
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Posted - 2015.08.22 13:43:27 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote: Incidentally if someone knows a diplo contact for the Drifters The Republic are keen to chat with them.
Are you Nefantar by any chance ? Cos that whole "we'll help if you promise to kill us last" thing you've got going there, looks very much like the Nefantar who helped the Amarr invasion of Pator, after receiving assurances that they would be enslaved last. Hurr. Are we seriously going for clich+¬s now... ?
If clich+¬s are the only thing that can save the Minmatar from themselves, then So Be It.
Nauplius wrote:There will be a response to this outrageous post my myself, Divine Commodore and Prophet of God. That response will involve the torture, mutilation, and sacrifice of Minmatar slaves. Lots of them. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Now look what you've done. You've made Nauplius perturbed.
And when Nauplius is perturbed, millions of Minmatar die.
Good job, Ushra'Khan. Now Nauplius is going to kill more slaves than the Elder Fleet managed to rescue.
Or maybe that's what you want, hmm ?
Because it would sure be very convenient for your crafting of your mythos.
You want people like Nauplius to kill all the remaining enslaved Minmatar, so that you can wail and gnash your teeth, and write cruddy poetry about the cruelty of the Amarr, and the suffering of your people.
Because it suits your narrative.
So Be It.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
676
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Posted - 2015.08.22 13:49:17 -
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Very disgraceful, pilot Khalmer.
I thought Ushra'Khan is one of the oldest capsuleers alliances, with honor and respectful reputation across the New Eden. To hurry up and create a thread where you publicly celebrate the death of your enemy just hours after she died, is barbaric, primitive, not graceful. As a Gallentean, I respected the Empress in many ways, I recognize she was one of the most powerful individuals in New Eden. A death is always a tragedy, a death of a ruler of trillions of people is truly a wide-cluster shock.
I understand your people were in disagreement with the Empress, I understand the Amarr Empire has no place in the Ushra'Khan world. But to show respect, to show the 'high grounds' is the way how honor works, how Freedom and justice is served and the thing that makes us different from those who we fight, or disagree with.
I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite juice in the Citadel.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
404
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Posted - 2015.08.22 13:56:54 -
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Caroline Grace wrote:Very disgraceful, pilot Khalmer.
I thought Ushra'Khan is one of the oldest capsuleers alliances, with honor and respectful reputation across the New Eden. To hurry up and create a thread where you publicly celebrate the death of your enemy just hours after she died, is barbaric, primitive, not graceful. As a Gallentean, I respected the Empress in many ways, I recognize she was one of the most powerful individuals in New Eden. A death is always a tragedy, a death of a ruler of trillions of people is truly a wide-cluster shock.
I understand your people were in disagreement with the Empress, I understand the Amarr Empire has no place in the Ushra'Khan world. But to show respect, to show the 'high grounds' is the way how honor works, how Freedom and justice is served and the thing that makes us different from those who we fight, or disagree with.
Want to bet how long it'd take for the Amarr loyalists to flood the IGS if Shakor was the target? |
Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
412
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Posted - 2015.08.22 14:25:40 -
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I remember when the Ray of Matar died and for the most part we Amarrians were very respectful of that fact.
Glad to see the favor returned in kind.
Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.
If you are brave, join me in the dark.
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Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
357
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Posted - 2015.08.22 14:27:22 -
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Ushra'Khan does not speak for Matar or all Matari even if at one point they may have.
The passing of the Empress is a tragedy as Louella and others have pointed out, not just in the Empire but for the Republic as well. Even Shakor could see with his blind eyes that gloating over the death of a head of state who did so much for the Republic will do no favors.
The Drifter threat is no longer etherial and no longer something to be ignored.
I wish there was something I could say about the passing of Empress Jayml that would not sound hollow. ..I hope that the next leader of the Empire will be able to live up to her example.
-áFear The Tribes
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Jili Tonari
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
133
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Posted - 2015.08.22 15:09:27 -
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Wait a second,
The Amarr spent the last several centuries enslaving, raping and killing our people and some of you get down on this message because it's crass and disrespectful?
F*ck that! What respect do we owe these people? How is it they get to slaughter our people and our culture but have to play nice because their leader got ganked?
Screw it. I'm glad she's dead! She was no friend to the Matari. She was, at best, a living PR stunt.
Hey, I heard a new one. How many Amarr does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Answer: Doesn't matter, the Drifters will just come along and pop it anyways.
First rule for a baby pilot is that you're not safe the second you undock and never fly something you can't afford to lose. The Empress was too stupid to understand that and got her slaving ass blown up for it.
Yeah, the Drifters are a severe threat for everyone. I get that. We got lots of them in our skies. But I'm not gonna cry because they happened to kill the ***** that destroyed the Elder Fleet.
Boo hoo Amarr, you lost your leader. Maybe getting your ***** murdered will give you some perspective for when you murder my people.
Zero regrets. Zero respect.
No abolition, no peace.
GÇ£Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.GÇ¥
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Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
416
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Posted - 2015.08.22 15:17:43 -
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Jili Tonari wrote:Wait a second,
No abolition, no peace.
And the one person who was making that possible just died. Thank you for your kind respect little one.
Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.
If you are brave, join me in the dark.
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1048
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Posted - 2015.08.22 15:18:46 -
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Oh, the proper mouthbreathers have finally arrived.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
358
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Posted - 2015.08.22 15:23:14 -
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Jili Tonari wrote: Screw it. I'm glad she's dead! She was no friend to the Matari. She was, at best, a living PR stunt.
No abolition, no peace.
She was in fact the best Friend to the Matari that ever ruled the Empire. It was her words that were moving toward ending the age of slavery. Toward that abolition.
I was ashamed I could not do anything to prevent her death, but not as ashamed as at the actions and words of my fellow Matari.
She did more to end slavery in the Empire than any one person of any race since the rebellion. This knee-jerk blindness from the Republic is exactly why the other nations look down on us as a people. You are so caught up in your hatred of all things Amarrian that you have been blinded to the fact you are celebrating a dark day for the Republic, the Slaves still in the Empire, and everyone in New Eden as well.
Shakor is actually blind and even he can see the truth of this. Look to your San Matar as an example!
CONCORD sees it, the rest of new Eden sees it.
I say again, these blind and loud few DO NOT speak for all Matari
-áFear The Tribes
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Deitra Vess
Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel
582
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Posted - 2015.08.22 15:28:52 -
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Jili Tonari wrote:Wait a second,
The Amarr spent the last several centuries enslaving, raping and killing our people and some of you get down on this message because it's crass and disrespectful?
F*ck that! What respect do we owe these people? How is it they get to slaughter our people and our culture but have to play nice because their leader got ganked?
Screw it. I'm glad she's dead! She was no friend to the Matari. She was, at best, a living PR stunt.
Hey, I heard a new one. How many Amarr does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Answer: Doesn't matter, the Drifters will just come along and pop it anyways.
First rule for a baby pilot is that you're not safe the second you undock and never fly something you can't afford to lose. The Empress was too stupid to understand that and got her slaving ass blown up for it.
Yeah, the Drifters are a severe threat for everyone. I get that. We got lots of them in our skies. But I'm not gonna cry because they happened to kill the ***** that destroyed the Elder Fleet.
Boo hoo Amarr, you lost your leader. Maybe getting your ***** murdered will give you some perspective for when you murder my people.
Zero regrets. Zero respect.
No abolition, no peace.
We don't owe them a thing. We owe to ourselves to conduct ourselves with some form of dignity. If we are to better ourselves in any meaningful way, maybe we should learn to walk upright first. Did our kin kill her? No an alien force did who may I remind you has a presence in our home as well. It's hardly a victory, we didn't do a thing. Gloating about this doesn't really suit us, why people seem to think it does is beyond my comprehension. I'm not saying I'm sad about her death, really I don't know what to make of it because I'm looking beyond the sheet of glass instead of focusing on the smudge on the window pane.
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Jili Tonari
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
137
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Posted - 2015.08.22 15:59:41 -
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Kithrus wrote:Jili Tonari wrote:Wait a second,
No abolition, no peace. And the one person who was making that possible just died. Thank you for your kind respect little one.
Oh please.
Your Emperor/Empress is the totalitarian leader of your government and your religion. If Jamyl had any real interest in abolition she would have done it and you would have had to follow along.
She could have, she didn't. I'm not going to whine about what could have been because in the end she did nothing. In fact, she just recently called us a, "lesser race who remain unwilling to accept their true place as servants of His will."
And for my Brothers and Sisters, stop being apologists. Stop with the slave mentality of fearing to make these people angry or upset. They do not deserve our respect. They do not deserve our honor. They do not deserve our compassion. They are evil. Calling them what they are and reveling in their tears does not make you a lesser person because of who they are, what they are and what they do to us on a daily basis. We Matari have a right to be proud.
The Amarr culture is a culture of bullies. A new, bigger bully just came into the schoolyard and gave the first one a bloody nose. But we should feel sorry for them? No. We protect our own from the Drifters and we remember that we still have our people enslaved over there.
No abolition, no peace.
They are a dying race. Let them die.
GÇ£Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.GÇ¥
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5434
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Posted - 2015.08.22 16:37:25 -
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Jili Tonari wrote:
The Amarr culture is a culture of bullies. A new, bigger bully just came into the schoolyard and gave the first one a bloody nose. But we should feel sorry for them? No. We protect our own from the Drifters and we remember that we still have our people enslaved over there.
No abolition, no peace.
They are a dying race. Let them die.
The Drifters are NOT the Jove, Tonari, they have displayed no love, sympathy or even empathy for anything that is human and they have just alpha'd the Head of the largest state in New Eden whilst she was piloting the largest vessel in New Eden and being protected by the largest fleet in New Eden.
Politics aside, if this does anything other than concern you then you're a moron.
Instead of mouthing tired clliche, why don't you give some thought to what would happen if the Drifters "came for your people"?
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Jili Tonari
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
140
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Posted - 2015.08.22 16:54:03 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Jili Tonari wrote:
The Amarr culture is a culture of bullies. A new, bigger bully just came into the schoolyard and gave the first one a bloody nose. But we should feel sorry for them? No. We protect our own from the Drifters and we remember that we still have our people enslaved over there.
No abolition, no peace.
They are a dying race. Let them die.
The Drifters are NOT the Jove, Tonari, they have displayed no love, sympathy or even empathy for anything that is human and they have just alpha'd the Head of the largest state in New Eden whilst she was piloting the largest vessel in New Eden and being protected by the largest fleet in New Eden. Politics aside, if this does anything other than concern you then you're a moron. Instead of mouthing tired clliche, why don't you give some thought to what would happen if the Drifters "came for your people"?
Heya pal,
We recognize the threat, and we're not blind to their capabilities. But like Shakor said, we don't really see them as a threat to us right now. We're more concerned for our people in Amarr.
Having the biggest ship and the biggest fleet ain't gonna be how these Drifters are beat. So yeah, it's a concern, but our immediate enemy just got donkey punched in the nuts, so I'm going to enjoy that for what it is.
I said before, in another thread. They come for us, we find a way to survive. We do for our own and we resist. We got lots of experience prevailing against superior tech, numbers and firepower. It's not how many time we get knocked down, it's how many times we get back up right? Your ship go boom, you get in another ship, undock and keep fighting.
(Just lost my first the other day. Poor lil Rifter. But I reshipped and got back out there.)
Hey, who's signing your paychecks now? Better cash 'em before the banks get closed.
GÇ£Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.GÇ¥
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2161
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Posted - 2015.08.22 16:58:33 -
[37] - Quote
And people wonder why we call them animals...
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
410
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Posted - 2015.08.22 16:59:29 -
[38] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Jili Tonari wrote:
The Amarr culture is a culture of bullies. A new, bigger bully just came into the schoolyard and gave the first one a bloody nose. But we should feel sorry for them? No. We protect our own from the Drifters and we remember that we still have our people enslaved over there.
No abolition, no peace.
They are a dying race. Let them die.
The Drifters are NOT the Jove, Tonari, they have displayed no love, sympathy or even empathy for anything that is human and they have just alpha'd the Head of the largest state in New Eden whilst she was piloting the largest vessel in New Eden and being protected by the largest fleet in New Eden. Politics aside, if this does anything other than concern you then you're a moron. Instead of mouthing tired clliche, why don't you give some thought to what would happen if the Drifters "came for your people"?
We're already dealing with one Empire trying to eradicate our culture and our people. Adding another doesn't change what we have, what we can do or what we have to do. The Empress or Empire does not have our people's interests in mind, Drifters or not. Surrendering to the Empire won't protect our people against the Drifters or Empire, so our priorities remain unchanged.
This really shouldn't come as such a surprise. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1154
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Posted - 2015.08.22 17:05:44 -
[39] - Quote
Valerie Valate wrote:Now look what you've done. You've made Nauplius perturbed.
And when Nauplius is perturbed, millions of Minmatar die.
You really need to stop buying into the idea that he's at all competent. The last tower he put up, he claimed there were tens of thousands of slaves - there were five thousand. He can't even math.
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Sinti Vailatti
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
26
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Posted - 2015.08.22 17:24:50 -
[40] - Quote
Just sayin,
But if you don't want us to be called a "lesser race who remain unwilling to accept their true place as servants of His will," maybe you should stop acting like one?
Jamyl gave us a chance to be better as a people, whether we live in Amarr or outside it, she was willing to free Matari who had grown, was willing and determined to help all of us, all people everywhere. Her life was cut short before she could complete that work.
Dancing on her grave doesn't make you a proud Matari, it makes you a willful, spoiled little child. |
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2452
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Posted - 2015.08.22 17:25:57 -
[41] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:You really need to stop buying into the idea that he's at all competent. The last tower he put up, he claimed there were tens of thousands of slaves - there were five thousand. He can't even math.
There were five thousand left. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
982
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Posted - 2015.08.22 17:26:56 -
[42] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Now look what you've done. You've made Nauplius perturbed.
And when Nauplius is perturbed, millions of Minmatar die. You really need to stop buying into the idea that he's at all competent. The last tower he put up, he claimed there were tens of thousands of slaves - there were five thousand. He can't even math.
Competency seems to come in waves.
A while ago he was exploding freighters stuffed full of unfortunate slaves. He might take that up again.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1160
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Posted - 2015.08.22 17:37:08 -
[43] - Quote
Ayallah wrote:I was ashamed I could not do anything to prevent her death
Don't be. That was ninety-five simultaneous doomsdays, possibly more (going frame-by-frame through the footage, 95 is the minimum I come up with). The Seraph, passive-fit as it likely was, probably wouldn't have survived ten. Absolutely none of the logistics pilots present - including the Aeon crews - should feel themselves responsible in the slightest.
But remember: we've never seen a Lux fire twice. Even when engaged for hours. These Drifters shoot their load, and they're done. If the Empires would be willing to lower their jamming arrays during prolonged incursions by these Drifters, any of the nullsec blocs could easily provide enough firepower to remove them in very short order. If the Empire wants help, then it should allow that help to reach it.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:The Drifters are NOT the Jove, Tonari, they have displayed no love, sympathy or even empathy for anything that is human and they have just alpha'd the Head of the largest state in New Eden whilst she was piloting the largest vessel in New Eden and being protected by the largest fleet in New Eden.
Politics aside, if this does anything other than concern you then you're a moron.
Instead of mouthing tired clliche, why don't you give some thought to what would happen if the Drifters "came for your people"?
No.
No, she was piloting what appears to have been a normal Promethean titan, not the Empire's Iapetan titan. In addition, she was protected by, as near as I could tell, fewer than a dozen Aeon-class supercarriers. Not even close to 'the largest fleet in New Eden'. Maybe if the entire Navy had been there, you could say that... but these days?
There are places where what the Amarr Navy brought in would be considered a gate camp.
The Drifters' tactics are supposedly evolving and adapting, but in the last series of engagements, we've consistently seen them focus fire with their doomsdays - even when using them far in excess of any reasonable need.
If they come for us, they'll kill some ships, yes. But I have no doubt they'll find they've bitten off far more than they're used to. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1160
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Posted - 2015.08.22 17:38:57 -
[44] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:Arrendis wrote:You really need to stop buying into the idea that he's at all competent. The last tower he put up, he claimed there were tens of thousands of slaves - there were five thousand. He can't even math. There were five thousand left.
Too clean a number, Doc. Unless the survivors say otherwise, I've got no confidence in his claims. |
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2452
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Posted - 2015.08.22 17:47:29 -
[45] - Quote
They're saying otherwise. Given the numbers I've seen from him in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if the original number was much, much higher. This group may have survived just because they were being held in a holding cell that was somewhat isolated from the others. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1160
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Posted - 2015.08.22 18:19:29 -
[46] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:They're saying otherwise. Given the numbers I've seen from him in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if the original number was much, much higher. This group may have survived just because they were being held in a holding cell that was somewhat isolated from the others.
Then he's got still more to answer for.
And you will answer for it, blooder. Just as soon as I can track down your home medbay. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1597
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Posted - 2015.08.22 19:08:49 -
[47] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:... The Drifters' tactics are supposedly evolving and adapting, but in the last series of engagements, we've consistently seen them focus fire with their doomsdays - even when using them far in excess of any reasonable need.
If they come for us, they'll kill some ships, yes. But I have no doubt they'll find they've bitten off far more than they're used to.
I still believe this is a directed personal attack rather than simply the drifters disliking the Amarr. The use of force was purely to make a very very obvious point.
I'd say their tactics have evolved greatly, that was the purest example of a surgical strike that probably anyone has ever seen. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
490
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Posted - 2015.08.22 19:36:02 -
[48] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:They're saying otherwise. Given the numbers I've seen from him in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if the original number was much, much higher. This group may have survived just because they were being held in a holding cell that was somewhat isolated from the others.
There were ten thousand slaves stored in two groups of five thousand slaves each. When the Imperium destroyed the Ritual Space hanger, one of the groups of five thousand was destroyed, but the other survived in the wreckage. There is nothing surprising about this GÇö when a hanger is destroyed, each "thing" (or in this case, each group of five thousand slaves) has an approximately 50% chance of surviving in the wreckage. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1162
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Posted - 2015.08.22 21:11:10 -
[49] - Quote
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:I'd say their tactics have evolved greatly, that was the purest example of a surgical strike that probably anyone has ever seen.
A precision strike, yes. Typically, when conducting a 'surgical strike', you use precisely the assets needed to accomplish the objective, and no more. The released fitting for the Seraph, including the Slave implants the Empress is acknowledged to have been using, would have meant it could survive a maximum of eight conventional Doomsdays - which, as we've seen, the Lux is roughly equivalent to. Ten ships, for certain results.
Not ten times that number.
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Kairelle
Raven.Syndicate
12
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Posted - 2015.08.22 22:07:27 -
[50] - Quote
Jili Tonari wrote:Wait a second,
The Amarr spent the last several centuries enslaving, raping and killing our people and some of you get down on this message because it's crass and disrespectful?
F*ck that! What respect do we owe these people? How is it they get to slaughter our people and our culture but have to play nice because their leader got ganked?
Screw it. I'm glad she's dead! She was no friend to the Matari. She was, at best, a living PR stunt.
Hey, I heard a new one. How many Amarr does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Answer: Doesn't matter, the Drifters will just come along and pop it anyways.
First rule for a baby pilot is that you're not safe the second you undock and never fly something you can't afford to lose. The Empress was too stupid to understand that and got her slaving ass blown up for it.
Yeah, the Drifters are a severe threat for everyone. I get that. We got lots of them in our skies. But I'm not gonna cry because they happened to kill the ***** that destroyed the Elder Fleet.
Boo hoo Amarr, you lost your leader. Maybe getting your ***** murdered will give you some perspective for when you murder my people.
Zero regrets. Zero respect.
No abolition, no peace.
You really are an idiot eh? Keep barking little one...just hope its not up the wrong tree.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
51
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Posted - 2015.08.23 01:20:21 -
[51] - Quote
Hm.
While some celebrate, I have to say, this wasn't the glorious day some would make it out to be.
Still, odds are actually decent she has a clone. What with coming back from the dead previously, and all.
"The spirits are not the wise elders many are led to believe. The spirits are not the almighty. The spirits are not our gods, nor our inferiors; they are our companions. And with them, the will of the Minmatar is unbreakable." -The Shaman's Way
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1414
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Posted - 2015.08.23 05:02:58 -
[52] - Quote
Markus Error wrote:Still, odds are actually decent she has a clone. What with coming back from the dead previously, and all. Respectfully, people keep saying this as though it means Amarr hasn't necessarily lost its Empress. That's not at all the case.
Think of the title as an implant that precludes clone jumping and which nobody gets more than once in a career. That's pretty much the situation here.
Jamyl Sarum might possibly live, though it seems a unlikely to me. If any capsule in the world was unequipped with cloning systems, it would have been that one.
Regardless, Empress Jamyl I is dead. |
Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
179
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Posted - 2015.08.23 05:21:48 -
[53] - Quote
She had to kill to create the intrigue of the struggle for the throne. Standard course, nothing new in this, I have not seen. Writers too carried away with the Game of Thrones. It was the most interesting character in the universe, a bad move. Sorry for my English
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NeoShocker
Oppose Militancy and Neutralize Invasion. Exodus.
214
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Posted - 2015.08.23 05:30:47 -
[54] - Quote
I am very sure there are suicidal terrorists in the Titan. The damage reported on the Titan is conflicting. Likely Empress is murdered within the ship while under the pretense of Drifter attacks. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1933
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Posted - 2015.08.23 08:45:29 -
[55] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Perhaps, but things getting worse before they get better is often the case. The facts remain. The Empire were never going to release our people willingly,other than broken and indoctrinated little weapons against the Tribes.
Typical tribal ignorance and iyammarok grade of stupidity. Her Majesty has released slaves based on their generation, not "indoctrination" or being "a weapon", like primitive savages claim. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1933
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Posted - 2015.08.23 08:48:04 -
[56] - Quote
Kithrus wrote:I remember when the Ray of Matar died and for the most part we Amarrians were very respectful of that fact.
Glad to see the favor returned in kind. That's why you don't cast pearls before swine, Lord Crases. |
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1356
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Posted - 2015.08.23 09:33:06 -
[57] - Quote
Arrendis wrote: No.
No, she was piloting what appears to have been a normal Promethean titan, not the Empire's Iapetan titan. In addition, she was protected by, as near as I could tell, fewer than a dozen Aeon-class supercarriers. Not even close to 'the largest fleet in New Eden'. Maybe if the entire Navy had been there, you could say that... but these days?
There are places where what the Amarr Navy brought in would be considered a gate camp.
The Drifters' tactics are supposedly evolving and adapting, but in the last series of engagements, we've consistently seen them focus fire with their doomsdays - even when using them far in excess of any reasonable need.
If they come for us, they'll kill some ships, yes. But I have no doubt they'll find they've bitten off far more than they're used to.
Considering their ability to make an easy job out of a single Avatar class titan, and that what we have now seen of their ships are mere battlecruiser sized weapons, I would not bet on trying one of the Imud-Hubraus next time... It seems highly hazardous as it is. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1183
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Posted - 2015.08.23 09:41:01 -
[58] - Quote
Lyn Farel wrote:Considering their ability to make an easy job out of a single Avatar class titan, and that what we have now seen of their ships are mere battlecruiser sized weapons, I would not bet on trying one of the Imud-Hubraus next time... It seems highly hazardous as it is.
Battleship. Large hull classes, not Medium. And beyond the Lux, their weapons are... anemic. Useless beyond 150km, and they don't hit for any power past 100km. The ships are fast, yes, but that's nothing that can't be dealt with - and they've demonstrated that they'll use the Lux on drones. Use a number of sniper drone-boats to draw out the Lux volley, then... bring in the blapdreads, and moonwalk out. |
Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
52
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Posted - 2015.08.23 13:05:47 -
[59] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:Markus Error wrote:Still, odds are actually decent she has a clone. What with coming back from the dead previously, and all. Respectfully, people keep saying this as though it means Amarr hasn't necessarily lost its Empress. That's not at all the case. Think of the title as an implant that precludes clone jumping and which nobody gets more than once in a career. That's pretty much the situation here. Jamyl Sarum might possibly live, though it seems a unlikely to me. If any capsule in the world was unequipped with cloning systems, it would have been that one. Regardless, Empress Jamyl I is dead. Wasn't my intention to imply the Empress survived; just that it's possible Jamyl Sarum did. Or her (presumed?) infomorph, anyhow.
"The spirits are not the wise elders many are led to believe. The spirits are not the almighty. The spirits are not our gods, nor our inferiors; they are our companions. And with them, the will of the Minmatar is unbreakable." -The Shaman's Way
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1416
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Posted - 2015.08.23 14:51:12 -
[60] - Quote
Markus Error wrote:Wasn't my intention to imply the Empress survived; just that it's possible Jamyl Sarum did. Or her (presumed?) infomorph, anyhow. Okay. There just seemed to be some ... uh, confused discussion, earlier. I apologize for mistaking your remarks for something of that sort.
And ... yeah, it's possible. It'd be interesting, if so, and maybe a little awkward.
I don't think the Amarr are accustomed to having ex-empresses wandering around. |
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Deitra Vess
Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel
587
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Posted - 2015.08.23 15:23:52 -
[61] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Perhaps, but things getting worse before they get better is often the case. The facts remain. The Empire were never going to release our people willingly,other than broken and indoctrinated little weapons against the Tribes.
Typical tribal ignorance and iyammarok grade of stupidity. Her Majesty has released slaves based on their generation, not "indoctrination" or being "a weapon", like primitive savages claim. What she did would be in many ways the same as the Gallante stripping Caldari Prime of every natural resource, deterraforming the planet and giving it back to you. Her giving them back still was an attack, an attack veiled in kind gesture. In the end we got many of our people back, but long after the damage was already done. They were free to come back, yes but if given the option to go to what has become an alien lifestyle versus what you and your more recent ancestors have lived their whole lives. They were given a choice between what they know and were always told to be and what they don't know at the drop of a hat. Whether inadvertantly or not it was a pretty twisted attack for as much the freed as those fighting for their freedom. |
Marus Sulla
Anam Matar
43
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Posted - 2015.08.23 20:47:16 -
[62] - Quote
U'K ... In the Fight Forever.
Salutations Former Comrades.
I'll be raising a few glasses in memory of the Witch.
Ding Dong.
Anam Matar.
The Soul of Matar.
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Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
186
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Posted - 2015.08.23 21:11:02 -
[63] - Quote
It was once she issued a decree freeing the slaves. The only ruler who did it. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Jamyl_I Emancipation |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
244
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Posted - 2015.08.24 08:45:21 -
[64] - Quote
30% of all Minmatar are still Amarr Slaves. Releasing a tiny minority is hardly a cause for celebration.
Besides they would only release the most indoctrinated slaves, hardly freedom, they simply wear chains around their brain rather than their body and to add insult to injury aid in perpetrating crimes against humanity to their brethren.
If the Empire was so wonderful for the Minmatar under Jamyl why do millions of slaves still smuggle their newborns out of the Empire back to Tribal space? Why is vitox still in use? Why is the Republic becoming less conciliatory to the Empire rather than more?
Let the Empire burn with its Empress they are the real monsters; the Drifters are humane in comparison. |
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