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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.12.29 21:48:50 -
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Guttripper wrote:Would you continue to play Eve if CCP stopped all production with the current game and left the players with the tools that are currently within the sandbox? Yes I would continue to play because the other players in the sandbox create the challenge I enjoy the game for.
Continued development is ideal, but in the adsence of that, continued player interaction would still be enough for me.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9731
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Posted - 2015.12.29 21:50:38 -
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Guttripper wrote:Would you continue to play Eve if CCP stopped all production with the current game and left the players with the tools that are currently within the sandbox? Sure.
Even if I didn't log in very often, I still have years worth of gametime stacked up in my hangars without needing to spend real cash.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13236
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Posted - 2015.12.29 23:04:53 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Guttripper wrote:Would you continue to play Eve if CCP stopped all production with the current game and left the players with the tools that are currently within the sandbox? Yes I would continue to play because the other players in the sandbox create the challenge I enjoy the game for. Continued development is ideal, but in the adsence of that, continued player interaction would still be enough for me.
Obviously yes. Been playing for 8 years and sometimes I feel I haven't scratched the surface. I have yet to live in a wormhole full time, play the market, do industry, experience the 'dark side' of EVE (ganking, scamming, invading missions to steal stuff etc) and that's just the stuff I know I haven't done.
When you know how to make your own fun, you don't NEED developers to constantly add content. I play paintball, soccer, poker and have dabbled in a few other sports, no one adds 'content' to them and yet I've played them for years (decades in most cases), and EVE would be the same, only WAY deeper.
Most gamers, on the other hand, could be poster children for ADD awareness, and 'need' new stuff constantly. That's why they are never happy for long, and most game companies have learned to profit from this personality trait. That's probably the main reason I will always oppose ideas that revolve around catering to average gamers (the kinds of people the 'need more subs' crowd would love to see more of infesting New Eden). |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
4456
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Posted - 2015.12.29 23:23:22 -
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Guttripper wrote:Question for the masses -
Would you continue to play Eve if CCP stopped all production with the current game and left the players with the tools that are currently within the sandbox? No more additions, no more expanded space, no more ships, no more skills - no more anything except let the game ebb and flow based upon the players' interactions with what is currently available.
A sandbox without the continuing expanding walls to allow more sand.
I would campaign against such abandonment, but probably would keep playing EVE. The game has changed little from my point of view and yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
I am a game cactus and have been living on little water for years since Incarnageddon. Certainly could keep doing for a few years more. El que resiste, gana.
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2015.12.29 23:32:26 -
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You got to admit that you will need more monkeys to pedal , so to generate more energies for the server to keep running. |
Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
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Posted - 2015.12.30 01:15:13 -
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Guttripper wrote:Question for the masses -
Would you continue to play Eve if CCP stopped all production with the current game and left the players with the tools that are currently within the sandbox? No more additions, no more expanded space, no more ships, no more skills - no more anything except let the game ebb and flow based upon the players' interactions with what is currently available.
A sandbox without the continuing expanding walls to allow more sand.
Nope.
I've been here going on 12 years. I keep coming back for the updates. With no updates, the game grows stale. Players alone are not enough to keep me coming back. This is because players are ignorant, ill-informed, chaotic and hard to please. We need developers to sift through all the madness, decide what's best for everyone and update the game.
You remove that, we die.
Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate
Former The Pirate Syndicate Member
Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member
Former Burn Eden member
Former BioMass Cartel member
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
29191
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Posted - 2015.12.30 01:25:30 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
Hahahahahahaha xD
Alex Grison > If there was a bipartisan bill supporting cannabis use for arthritic pain, it would be Joint support for Joint support for joint support
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33139
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Posted - 2015.12.30 05:11:02 -
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and this one
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
265
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Posted - 2015.12.30 05:17:03 -
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That's nothing to be proud of.
I'm on page 1 of this thread too. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33140
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Posted - 2015.12.30 05:23:38 -
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yuh-huh.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs
123
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Posted - 2015.12.30 05:24:55 -
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Avvy wrote:That's nothing to be proud of. I'm on page 1 of this thread too. I guess I'll just be the guy dropping in occasionally in sitcom fashion to cry "You're all still here?!"
I mean, it was really obvious from CCP Seagull announcing the return of bi-annual expansions that CCP realized the lack of big-ticket releases was a major factor in losing the attention of some of the playerbase and in new players not being attracted.
That would seem to indicate they realize one of the core issues and are working on it.
That's not to say I expect this thread to ever die though. This thread will probably be around right up until some distant time in the future when EVE finally closes down. I guess it'd be kind of funny if on that day 10+ years down the road the OP came back and ended the thread with "I told you so!".
_#portDust514
Don't let interactions like this become only a memory.
(EVE alt> Sarayu Wyvern. Dust 514 alt> Mobius Wyvern.)
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
4458
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Posted - 2015.12.30 07:38:20 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
Hahahahahahaha xD
I hope you appreciate the irony that I am a better customer for CCP by playing the game "wrong" than you are by playing it "right"...
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7242
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Posted - 2015.12.30 08:02:44 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
Hahahahahahaha xD I hope you appreciate the irony that I am a better customer for CCP by playing the game "wrong" than you are by playing it "right"...
I hope you appreciate the irony of that massive assumption that Sol doesn't have twice as many accounts as you.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
29255
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Posted - 2015.12.30 09:52:57 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
Hahahahahahaha xD I hope you appreciate the irony that I am a better customer for CCP by playing the game "wrong" than you are by playing it "right"... I don't waste my time playing easy stuff like you do. I don't play isolated, crap missions or hauling, like you do.
You are just an unknown carebear who may throw his cash at CCP. I create more content for a dozen people in a night, compared to you in a month!
The fact that you have three accounts ... hahahaha ... ... does not change that I am the better player, because I don't isolate myself from others!
Seriously, has it finally dawned onto you wtf is going on in your brain? Will you allow reality to finally settle into your perception? Or will you just keep forever twisting words and facts YOUR OWN ACTIONS DON'T EVEN SUPPORT?
You are *just* a carebear! Start accepting it and go back into your cave. You are done!
Have a nice day. :)
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2015.12.30 10:06:21 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
Hahahahahahaha xD I hope you appreciate the irony that I am a better customer for CCP by playing the game "wrong" than you are by playing it "right"... I don't waste my time playing easy stuff like you do. I don't play isolated, crap missions or hauling, like you do. You are just an unknown carebear who may throw his cash at CCP. I create more content for a dozen people in a night, compared to you in a month! The fact that you have three accounts ... hahahaha ... ... does not change that I am the better player, because I don't isolate myself from others! Seriously, has it finally dawned onto you wtf is going on in your brain? Will you allow reality to finally settle into your perception? Or will you just keep forever twisting words and facts YOUR OWN ACTIONS DON'T EVEN SUPPORT? You are *just* a carebear! Start accepting it and go back into your cave. You are done! Have a nice day. :)
And no one likes an overblown ego, overestimating its own worth . Even if one does not agree with another poster one should try to remain polite. |
Kagura Nikon
Bon Jovian Drifters Did he say Jump
2131
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Posted - 2015.12.30 11:07:28 -
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Buzz Orti wrote:Malcanis wrote:... CCP have been trying to create other games than EVE since at least 2008, when the Dust project started. No company wants to be reliant on selling a single product, and CCP are going to keep trying to create new games for as long as they're able to. + The CCP card game ... 2007
I miss that one :(
"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
29258
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Posted - 2015.12.30 11:11:45 -
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sero Hita wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
Hahahahahahaha xD I hope you appreciate the irony that I am a better customer for CCP by playing the game "wrong" than you are by playing it "right"... I don't waste my time playing easy stuff like you do. I don't play isolated, crap missions or hauling, like you do. You are just an unknown carebear who may throw his cash at CCP. I create more content for a dozen people in a night, compared to you in a month! The fact that you have three accounts ... hahahaha ... ... does not change that I am the better player, because I don't isolate myself from others! Seriously, has it finally dawned onto you wtf is going on in your brain? Will you allow reality to finally settle into your perception? Or will you just keep forever twisting words and facts YOUR OWN ACTIONS DON'T EVEN SUPPORT? You are *just* a carebear! Start accepting it and go back into your cave. You are done! Have a nice day. :) And no one likes an overblown ego, overestimating its own worth . Even if one does not agree with another poster one should try to remain polite. Yeah I let myself get carried away by this hilarious plot twist regarding her. ^_^
Nonetheless is being polite worth nothing when it comes to people who hide behind words.
She deserves every smack she can get for her behaviour ... ... especially because I could as well go after her chars ingame.
Which I don't do, even if that makes no sense to anyone but myself.
Just look at her posts. You call me out for my ego? Even after her self defeat she attempts to make herself look better than she is, just because she can't take the obvious truth that's right in front of her face.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2015.12.30 12:10:23 -
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Solecist Project wrote: Just look at her posts. You call me out for my ego? Even after her self defeat she attempts to make herself look better than she is, just because she can't take the obvious truth that's right in front of her face.
It is easy to get carried away on the internet :D especially because there is a lot of technically bad discussion techniques going on. That is frustrating.
The ego thing, was mostly due to your claim of why you are more worth than her for the game. (I confess your one meta post about how you see yourself also did not help on this impression ).
I also object to the notion that people should be treated according to their "worth" in EVE. I object to that you can estimate the worth of a person in EVE and I think diversity is good for EVE, be it PVP'ers/PVE'ers or strict PVE'ers.
I know she kinda tricked your response out of you (by first claiming she has more worth), hoping you would make a unsympathetic post, letting you bury your own grave. Which you did a little bit. People stop listening to people who make too extreme statements. So just think about that.
What I personally don't appreciate is when people make a lot of statements on faulty data (Which Indah is guilty of IMO by extrapolating data from a subpopulation to count for the whole population). I have told her earlier on in this thread, and hope it will sink in at some point.
If she can't take the "obvious truth in front of her face,"(let's such a thing exist) the polite thing would be to let her get there at her own speed. Or keep calm with persuasive arguments. Forcing revelations(true or not, objectively speaking) on people will just get them in the defense where they stop thinking, and not process the information at hand. |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
29260
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Posted - 2015.12.30 12:21:50 -
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You don't know her. One talk with her, mentioning gankers, seeing her insane, hatefull reaction, is enough to realize she won't get anywhere. Her posts, full of delusions, show further that she is incapable of realizing herself.
You didn't like my thread? Ot barely got posts, even though it's actually current. And all I did was wanting to know what people would do. How and what they would want.
Instead, though, people will forever be slaves to those who troll them into responses ... ... and keep pushing some useless agenda.
I strongly doubt her post was about getting me to post what I did.
It's more likely, based on her general behaviour, that she wrote it to feel better about herself. You're absolutely free to go through her posting history to verify that for yourself. It's there. Funny bits, some subtle, some more obvious.
Being polite is useless when people twist reality with words and use passive aggressiveness ... ... which I admit I only observed once from her in recent times.
Anyhow... let's give her some time to catch herself again.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
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Blueprint Buyer
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.12.30 12:35:35 -
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Solecist Project wrote:You don't know her. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuking, wut wut
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Commander Spurty
Moosearmy I N G L O R I O U S
1606
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Posted - 2015.12.30 12:52:36 -
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This thread no longer even about the rapid demise of eve online.
Perhaps it died several weeks ago.
Golf clap to the mods. All the new accounts coming here seeing this as the headline to general discussion.
Open a new one or "stay on target red leader"
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Spurty
Moosearmy I N G L O R I O U S
1607
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Posted - 2015.12.30 12:52:36 -
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This thread no longer even about the rapid demise of eve online.
Perhaps it died several weeks ago.
Golf clap to the mods. All the new accounts coming here seeing this as the headline to general discussion.
Open a new one or "stay on target red leader"
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
4458
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Posted - 2015.12.30 14:02:09 -
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Commander Spurty wrote:This thread no longer even about the rapid demise of eve online.
Perhaps it died several weeks ago.
Golf clap to the mods. All the new accounts coming here seeing this as the headline to general discussion.
Open a new one or "stay on target red leader"
Don't worry, I am waiting to the end of year to make the last message about yearly averages 2004-(soon)2015.
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
4458
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Posted - 2015.12.30 14:28:20 -
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sero Hita wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
Hahahahahahaha xD I hope you appreciate the irony that I am a better customer for CCP by playing the game "wrong" than you are by playing it "right"... I don't waste my time playing easy stuff like you do. I don't play isolated, crap missions or hauling, like you do. You are just an unknown carebear who may throw his cash at CCP. I create more content for a dozen people in a night, compared to you in a month! The fact that you have three accounts ... hahahaha ... ... does not change that I am the better player, because I don't isolate myself from others! Seriously, has it finally dawned onto you wtf is going on in your brain? Will you allow reality to finally settle into your perception? Or will you just keep forever twisting words and facts YOUR OWN ACTIONS DON'T EVEN SUPPORT? You are *just* a carebear! Start accepting it and go back into your cave. You are done! Have a nice day. :) And no one likes an overblown ego, overestimating its own worth . Even if one does not agree with another poster one should try to remain polite.
The funniest thing with Sol is that he doesn't understands what's going on each time he chases me around the forums. The very idea that other people see the world with different eyes is completely alien to him. v-¦v
"According to my EVE-o-meter, you are not as worthy as me!" "I don't measure people's worth based on how do the play games" "That's because you're not worthy!"
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
29268
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Posted - 2015.12.30 14:49:10 -
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1. I don't chase you. One more delusion, carebear?
2. Your or my own opinion about the world are irrelevant. What matters is actual reality. Facts. Data. Not some twisted, biased view of that data. Nope.
Using "i see the world differently" to justify your delusions doesn't really change anything about your delusions.
Oh btw... thanks for running three accounts. :) I'm sure it helps getting your point across. (:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2015.12.30 14:54:13 -
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Commander Spurty wrote:This thread no longer even about the rapid demise of eve online.
Perhaps it died several weeks ago.
Golf clap to the mods. All the new accounts coming here seeing this as the headline to general discussion.
Open a new one or "stay on target red leader"
If you go a couple of pages back, I already mentioned that it is not rapid anymore when looking at ACU (for the last 6 months), so this thread ought to be closed. I was then jumped by people who proclaimed I really ment there had never been a decline in numbers. meh.. but yes the circle arguments are strong in this thread.
The only reasonable reason this thread is still around, I suspect, is due to the reason Solecist Project speculated in another thread: - lightning rod, to keep all the crazies(my self included ) in one place. Combined with the fear of people screaming censorship.
And as such it is working fine. I also don't think this thread scares people off. If you go through there are actually good arguments hiding in between all the crazy, going in both directions. All the EVE critical statements are being adressed by people being more positive towards EVE. The amount of EVE positive people in this thread outweight the ones negative towards EVE. So I am sure that ISD sees it as no threat. it is pretty balanced. Had it been 163 pages of negativity it would have been closed for " post constructively".
What CCP has here is 163 pages, because there are people defending them. This is the best advertisment you can get
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
29271
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Posted - 2015.12.30 15:12:39 -
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You're smart. (: Don't let the forum's addictive negativity ever infect you. :)
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7252
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Posted - 2015.12.30 15:57:20 -
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Solecist Project wrote:You're smart. (: Don't let the forum's addictive negativity ever infect you. :)
When you're right, you're right.
It's easy to let a few of the negative nancies around here get you down. It doesn't help that they're wrong on the internet, either. Conventional wisdom is to ignore them, but internet wisdom demands we defend to the death our point of view, regardless of its accuracy. We're all guilty of it, and we're all guilty of perpetuating the negativity by giving it a breeding ground when we reply to it, but this whole threads been going around in circles for days now because "DOOM" "no u" "DOOM" "uh, you're not listening, i said no u" and etc and etc. It's time to let it die in the grave it was destined for.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7039
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Posted - 2015.12.30 16:53:25 -
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sero Hita wrote:If you go a couple of pages back, I already mentioned that it is not rapid anymore when looking at ACU (for the last 6 months), so this thread ought to be closed. I was then jumped by people who proclaimed I really ment there had never been a decline in numbers. meh.. but yes the circle arguments are strong in this thread. If it were to be closed, someone would just start up a new similar thread and the same would happen. At least by having this one open they can divert anyone trying to open a new one here. If they kept closing too many of them the risk is that people would go off somewhere much more public
sero Hita wrote:All the EVE critical statements are being adressed by people being more positive towards EVE. The amount of EVE positive people in this thread outweight the ones negative towards EVE. So I am sure that ISD sees it as no threat. it is pretty balanced. Had it been 163 pages of negativity it would have been closed for " post constructively". I wouldn't say all of them are being addressed. Sure, they have "positive" people arguing against them but it's not like someone shows up and says "ACU has halved" then someone goes "NOPE I LOVE EVE" and that's that.
The way I see it, both extremes are as bad as each other. Overly negative people are acting like the game is already over, while the overly positive people are pretending that there are zero issues. There obviously are some issues with player retention and server population, and I just wish CCP would be a bit more open with their plans and overall direction. And over all if EVE sticks around for ages, great! If not, it's not the end of the world.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17295
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Posted - 2015.12.30 20:50:45 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
Hahahahahahaha xD I hope you appreciate the irony that I am a better customer for CCP by playing the game "wrong" than you are by playing it "right"...
Out of interest, just how many times is it that you've unsubscribed now? I counted 3 from a quick search but I feel like I've probably missed at least 1, maybe 2.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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