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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1564
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Posted - 2015.09.17 23:20:01 -
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I've recently plopped money on sword coast ledgends and the kids want to level their never winter chars, so although I'm subbed for 6months the majority of my play times here for the next month or so. I'll be back where the new to me stuff is tired and old.
That and the odd moose house open fleet roam
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1566
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Posted - 2015.09.17 23:20:01 -
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I've recently plopped money on sword coast ledgends and the kids want to level their never winter chars, so although I'm subbed for 6months the majority of my play times here for the next month or so. I'll be back where the new to me stuff is tired and old.
That and the odd moose house open fleet roam
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Salvos Rhoska
1460
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Posted - 2015.09.17 23:23:00 -
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PLEX is not liquid cash. Its a complex commodity.
Its difficult to figure a IRL equivalent. So ill try a bullshit sci-fi one. Cos Ive had a few drinks and this thread needs content.
If youve seen Outland (if you havent, do so!) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082869/), Im using that as a frame of reference.
In order to live and work on CCPs space holdings, you need a license to be there + oxygen/food/water to survive.
-You can buy this from CCPs Earth office, with Earth money. (Sub) Thereafter you are free to make your own fortune (in CCP spacebucks), as you wish, for one month.
-You can buy the right to sell one license to others, at a higher Earth rate, from CCPs or Affiliated Retailers Earth Offices, for sale onsite for spacebucks, at local rates. (PLEX). This will provide the spacebucks you need to fund your space activities, ontop of your own existing license.
-You can buy a license (PLEX) from those importing them, if youve earned enough spacebucks to meet the market price, in order to live and work there for another month.
In every case of the above, the CCP Earth Home Office is making bank.
Their business is not concerned with your spacebucks, (which only they issue, and which you can only use at their stations anyways, not back on Earth, and from which they sink various transaction costs). They are concerned with the Earth currency investment you make to them, so that you can make your future yourself in space, with their space bucks.
Weirdly, I wonder if this model might actually constitute a very real example of how space exploitation might eventually take shape.
PvE v PvP
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
929
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Posted - 2015.09.18 02:05:54 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:You can expect a major dip in folks online for the following reasons:
Fallout 4
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Mad Max (is now live)
Yeah I'll definitely be picking up those two games. Though, before I play Fallout 4 I need to get around to playing Fallout 3 and NV. hah. I also need to get around to playing Oblivion, Skyrim, Stalker, Bioshock, Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect 1 & 3, and whatever other games I've bought on Steam and never played and forgotten about. Time to take a loooooong break from EVE I think. It's been grabbing up all my game time for a bit too long.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3347
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Posted - 2015.09.18 03:27:34 -
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Luckytania wrote:Ignorance explains many things. Look at the five year chart. Eve OfflineNo doubt there can be many explanations. "Seasonality" is not one of them.
Dude...that was horrible.
Go re-read the OP. The OP made an egregious error by noting a seasonal low, and assuming it was close to the (4-5 month moving average). That 14,793 or whatever it was the OP sited was a daily low point or close too it.
Even the OPs claim of 16,000 players online in August is Bravo Sierra and likely to conflating the number on the client as the monthly average.
For example, through most of June the average number of logged in players: 21,000 For August: 21,000.
I'm going to guess that August was 21,000 as well.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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lord xavier
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
86
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Posted - 2015.09.18 03:36:08 -
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I have gone down to 6 accounts. If plex prices keep moving as quickly as they are, I will continue to drop accounts. I suspect many other players are as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the active accounts number dropping is related to this, and continues to be. |
Salvos Rhoska
1463
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Posted - 2015.09.18 04:34:36 -
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lord xavier wrote:I have gone down to 6 accounts. If plex prices keep moving as quickly as they are, I will continue to drop accounts. I suspect many other players are as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the active accounts number dropping is related to this, and continues to be. Yep.
And yet with players with far less resilience than you dropping more accounts in ever larger numbers:
Why is the price perpetually rising?
PvE v PvP
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lord xavier
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
86
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Posted - 2015.09.18 05:48:26 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:lord xavier wrote:I have gone down to 6 accounts. If plex prices keep moving as quickly as they are, I will continue to drop accounts. I suspect many other players are as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the active accounts number dropping is related to this, and continues to be. Yep. And yet with players with far less resilience than you dropping more accounts in ever larger numbers: Why is the price perpetually rising?
People are taking stock in large amounts of plex. With them rising, its a good stock to hold. The issue is when a single player is holding onto 2000+ of them, and alot of traders are doing this for a long term investment. You're seeing less turn around plex, which just means its 1 more off the market every time one is bought by one of these people holding them.
Question is: how long do you hold the investment before you start to actually detract away from it? Lets say there is 200,000 plex being held up in stock. That is 10 months of game time for the current active accounts that are online at peak and most likely its 3-4 months of sub time for all the active accounts in Eve currently. That is alot of plex being removed from the market, but how long before the price just effects how many people stop logging on all together?
I currently attend school full time and do not work. So, paying for multiple accounts for me is out of the question. My style of gameplay generally involves a minimum of 3 active accounts. for me to make isk, i ideally need a 4th and 5th for the income I make with mission running. So when I am having a minimum of 5 accounts active, and plex is 1.3b. You are talking 6.5b a month for me to play. It is not fun as the price goes up. The more it goes up, the less accounts I have active. It will just get to a point that will all go inactive due to my lack of care to PVE for 10 of 30 days. Which I already am on maybe 15-20 days in a month. So 50-75% of my game time is done paying for 5-10 days of care free playing? bah. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2477
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Posted - 2015.09.18 05:49:39 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: Yep.
And yet with players with far less resilience than you dropping more accounts in ever larger numbers:
Why is the price perpetually rising?
Because the Plex market is being used as an investment market by resellers, a fact confirmed by CCP themselves a while back when they said the average number of intermediate steps on a plex is 2.5. So the average plex goes through 2 or 3 investors before reaching an actual user on the 3rd or 4th sale. Note that counting the initial person who sold the plex that actually makes it the 4th or 5th player who actually uses the plex themselves. Assuming I understood and remember the presentation correctly anyway.
Meaning it's actually irrelevant now how many end users are buying plex, because the entire hype on plex price rising is fueling speculative trades on plex purely for the sake of profit.
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Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
96
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Posted - 2015.09.18 07:02:28 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Buy PLEX with all the isk you can spare. Good advice, but it's spelled "Sell".
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
62
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Posted - 2015.09.18 07:52:33 -
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lord xavier wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:lord xavier wrote:I have gone down to 6 accounts. If plex prices keep moving as quickly as they are, I will continue to drop accounts. I suspect many other players are as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the active accounts number dropping is related to this, and continues to be. Yep. And yet with players with far less resilience than you dropping more accounts in ever larger numbers: Why is the price perpetually rising? People are taking stock in large amounts of plex. With them rising, its a good stock to hold. The issue is when a single player is holding onto 2000+ of them, and alot of traders are doing this for a long term investment. You're seeing less turn around plex, which just means its 1 more off the market every time one is bought by one of these people holding them. Question is: how long do you hold the investment before you start to actually detract away from it? Lets say there is 200,000 plex being held up in stock. That is 10 months of game time for the current active accounts that are online at peak and most likely its 3-4 months of sub time for all the active accounts in Eve currently. That is alot of plex being removed from the market, but how long before the price just effects how many people stop logging on all together? I currently attend school full time and do not work. So, paying for multiple accounts for me is out of the question. My style of gameplay generally involves a minimum of 3 active accounts. for me to make isk, i ideally need a 4th and 5th for the income I make with mission running. So when I am having a minimum of 5 accounts active, and plex is 1.3b. You are talking 6.5b a month for me to play. It is not fun as the price goes up. The more it goes up, the less accounts I have active. It will just get to a point that will all go inactive due to my lack of care to PVE for 10 of 30 days. Which I already am on maybe 15-20 days in a month. So 50-75% of my game time is done paying for 5-10 days of care free playing? bah. Im in a similar situation. Full time student in our captial with high living cost, which means i can only afford 1 acc with RL cash. In the past it was pretty easy to pay for my 3 alts with PLEX, but with the current prices EVE is turning into a job (The PvE in EVE is just dead boring). If the prices dont go down (and there is no sign they will), i will let my accounts lapse. Probably even my main, because playing EVE without alts is simply too tedious and time-consuming.
I don't understand why CCP isnt putting more restrictions on PLEX. It isnt a normal item, its an item wich can increase active player numbers and active players is THE most important asset CCP has. The more players, the better the sandbox, the better the game.
Its not only vets who use PLEX to pay for their alts, but also a lot of new players. One of the most asked question of new players is "How hard is it to pay for the subscription with ingame money?". We are in the age of Free2Play. Many modern F2P games are decent, the times in which F2P meant Pay2Win and mind numbing grind are (mostly) over. In EVE you still have to do a lot of mind numbing grind if you want to play for free so many of the potential new players are turning away from the game.
The traders and rich players who hoard hundreds or even thousands of PLEX as investment or gold reserve are really hurting the game. It should be CCPs main goal to increase active player numbers, not to make a few rich players happy with an unrestricted gold standard item. The situation is critical. The decline of active players is turning into a big problem, we went from 36k average active players to 18k in just 1 year ... High PLEX prices are not the only cause for the decline, but they definitely add to it. |
widgetman
Widgetland
1
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Posted - 2015.09.18 08:35:20 -
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I will quote from the Steam Eve Online page where people can buy the game:
About This Game.
Explore. Build. Conquer. EVE Online immerses you in a sci-fi experience where your every action can have rippling effects across a massive online universe. Team with and compete against over 500,000 players in epic starship battles or wage economic warfare on the galactic player-controlled market.
CCP state there are over 500,000 players to play against, so the where are people getting such low figures from?
Honestly i believe the price is simply too high when you look at many other free games.
People will go to free games like World of Warships, World of Tanks, Armored Warfare, or one off payment games like Battlefront, Elite etc.....
Plex is an issue , but really if they made the game -ú5 a month people would not mind, it is a fine line to manage with the fact there is no real injection of content etc.......
Eve was great in 2004-2006 and when i first started playing and had 2-3k players on......
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1517
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Posted - 2015.09.18 09:31:51 -
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widgetman wrote:Honestly i believe the price is simply too high when you look at many other free games.
People will go to free games like World of Warships, World of Tanks, Armored Warfare, or one off payment games like Battlefront, Elite etc.....
Plex is an issue , but really if they made the game -ú5 a month people would not mind, it is a fine line to manage with the fact there is no real injection of content etc.......
Eve was great in 2004-2006 and when i first started playing and had 2-3k players on......
its 9.99 a month stop being cheap considering the support and the size of the game and the fact you can do anything you want, world of tanks is a totally different game, its a matchmaking arena game. no injection of content, are you actually being serious?
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1517
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Posted - 2015.09.18 09:37:50 -
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stop moaning about plex price and start working harder scrubs
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Salvos Rhoska
1467
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Posted - 2015.09.18 09:52:30 -
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Lan Wang wrote:start working harder scrubs Coming from a logo and branding designer, thats pretty funny.
Want to pay my sub?
PvE v PvP
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1517
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Posted - 2015.09.18 09:53:44 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lan Wang wrote:start working harder scrubs Coming from a logo and branding designer, thats pretty funny. Want to pay my sub?
what does my job have to do with plex price?
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Sarayu Wyvern
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2015.09.18 11:46:35 -
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So...is it just Standard Operating Procedure for there to always be at least one of these threads on Page 1 of GD?
Alt of MidnightWyvern. (Mobius Wyvern in Dust 514)
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widgetman
Widgetland
4
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Posted - 2015.09.18 12:05:17 -
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Everyone can have opinions, and maybe other games are not like Eve, however i was just giving an example of why people are not playing Eve as much, and maybe play other games.
As for content i really find it hard to see how spending time making skins etc really help the game that much. My opinion is they should have spent time looking into what they did add to the game such as FW, and maybe overhaul some areas of the game that need it rather than wasting time with aesthetics......
I have played Eve on and off for a long time, it is hard to fully please all players all of the time as we all look for different things in a game. Eve will not die a death it just needs to give the whole game a massive overhaul. |
Flitz Farseeker
Mass HaVoK KAOS Unlimited
4
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Posted - 2015.09.18 12:07:00 -
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Sarayu Wyvern wrote:So...is it just Standard Operating Procedure for there to always be at least one of these threads on Page 1 of GD? Pretty much. I think CCP even start one if there isn't. I do know that EvE has been dying since I started playing.
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
245
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Posted - 2015.09.18 12:26:06 -
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Sarayu Wyvern wrote:So...is it just Standard Operating Procedure for there to always be at least one of these threads on Page 1 of GD?
EVE is dying, PLEX is too expensive, Grr CODE, Grr Goons, Grr AFK cloakers |
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1279
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Posted - 2015.09.18 12:35:09 -
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Lan Wang wrote: why would i want to pay your sub? but if you really need your sub paying i suppose i can find some tedious job you can do for me :)
I think you are on to something here... if we assume an isk-farmer rate of 100mil an hour, I'll happily pay a minions sub for 6-8 hours of menial slave-work a month (my house gets in a real mess, and the garden could do with some work) - at a current rate of 1.2k isk per Plex, thats 1/2 - 2/3rds the time. Bargain!
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1520
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Posted - 2015.09.18 12:36:00 -
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widgetman wrote:Everyone can have opinions, and maybe other games are not like Eve, however i was just giving an example of why people are not playing Eve as much, and maybe play other games.
As for content i really find it hard to see how spending time making skins etc really help the game that much. My opinion is they should have spent time looking into what they did add to the game such as FW, and maybe overhaul some areas of the game that need it rather than wasting time with aesthetics......
I have played Eve on and off for a long time, it is hard to fully please all players all of the time as we all look for different things in a game. Eve will not die a death it just needs to give the whole game a massive overhaul.
i think people play other games not because of the sub cost but because they dont want to dedicate so much time to a game like this and just want instant action games which they can pick up and put down whenever, eve has a niche market, as ccp said most of the playerbase are professionals in rl, designers, developers etc, these are people who thrive to do technical things which other games just dont offer.
skins is not the only content they have added to the game, they have added a lot, you only notice what is relevant to your gameplay and not the wider picture of whats been done.
Graphics are constantly improving ship models skins new ships new missions sov overhaul drifters thera incursions upcoming new structures
im sure ive missed tons of stuff they have added but really i think they are putting alot of effort into the game
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widgetman
Widgetland
5
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Posted - 2015.09.18 12:53:52 -
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They can add toys into a sandbox, but they must be toys people want to play with.
At some point they need to look at the sandbox they put those toys into.
I may be blinkered in what i see added to the game, but i do see areas they could do so much with. like i said you may enjoy looking at different skins on a ship etc, but i dont, we are all different. The new ships they added, they should look at ships we already have that are just not used. These are all my opinions of course, and this is a thread about numbers in Eve, maybe we all have reasons why Eve cannot continue to grow but it will always grab new players it just needs to keep them for a while.
In reality Eve does not need players like me, who have played when the game was different to what it is now and expect the game to be the same as it was. I have introduced many people to Eve and some have stayed playing in those years....i just bum around when i get time to come online after my Daughter is in bed, and the Wife has no need for social interaction :) |
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2015.09.18 13:44:29 -
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to do list over next 5 years
Graphics are constantly improving ship models skins new ships new missions sov overhaul drifters thera incursions upcoming new structures Graphics are constantly improving ship models skins new ships new missions sov overhaul drifters thera incursions upcoming new structures Graphics are constantly improving ship models skins new ships new missions sov overhaul drifters thera incursions upcoming new structures Graphics are constantly improving ship models skins new ships new missions sov overhaul drifters thera incursions upcoming new structures Graphics are constantly improving ship models skins new ships new missions sov overhaul drifters thera incursions upcoming new structures Graphics are constantly improving ship models skins new ships new missions sov overhaul drifters thera incursions upcoming new structures
did I forget something? |
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
587
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:38:45 -
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The call about game pulling players away. Is true, but always happening. If a better MMO comes out, of course people will get onto it. I think the dip will be less, but two major blockbuster games start of next year is pretty :D
I for one will be gone for a few weeks as i X-com it up.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
88
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:06:15 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Lan Wang wrote: why would i want to pay your sub? but if you really need your sub paying i suppose i can find some tedious job you can do for me :)
I think you are on to something here... if we assume an isk-farmer rate of 100mil an hour, I'll happily pay a minions sub for 6-8 hours of menial slave-work a month (my house gets in a real mess, and the garden could do with some work) - at a current rate of 1.2k isk per Plex, thats 1/2 - 2/3rds the time. Bargain!
I too, would like to hire a neckbeard for pennies an hour. Where can I find this service? |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2218
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:50:58 -
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Zihao wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Lan Wang wrote: why would i want to pay your sub? but if you really need your sub paying i suppose i can find some tedious job you can do for me :)
I think you are on to something here... if we assume an isk-farmer rate of 100mil an hour, I'll happily pay a minions sub for 6-8 hours of menial slave-work a month (my house gets in a real mess, and the garden could do with some work) - at a current rate of 1.2k isk per Plex, thats 1/2 - 2/3rds the time. Bargain! I too, would like to hire a neckbeard for pennies an hour. Where can I find this service?
Find people who play EVE around where you live and see if you can link them to PLEX price whine thread. If yes, make your offer.
Chance are it will fail because doing your chores will require effort... |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9666
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Posted - 2015.09.18 18:07:44 -
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Markus Reese wrote:The call about game pulling players away. Is true, but always happening. If a better MMO comes out, of course people will get onto it. I think the dip will be less, but two major blockbuster games start of next year is pretty :D
I for one will be gone for a few weeks as i X-com it up. Its inevitable people will move. I invested in Lotro more time and money than in EVE.
There are few other Free to play games I played while my EVE account was running, its PLEXed for few years ahead. There were weeks when I did nothing in EVE. Even lost a track few times of when my skillqueue is empty.
But I moved back to EVE eventually. MAybe because it was so easy with PLEXed account.
Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
588
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:04:10 -
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Zihao wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
I think you are on to something here... if we assume an isk-farmer rate of 100mil an hour, I'll happily pay a minions sub for 6-8 hours of menial slave-work a month (my house gets in a real mess, and the garden could do with some work) - at a current rate of 1.2k isk per Plex, thats 1/2 - 2/3rds the time. Bargain!
I too, would like to hire a neckbeard for pennies an hour. Where can I find this service?
And that is why I never plexed. Even at their cheapest, time to isk is way more than time to sub putting a dollar value on my time.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
589
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:46:16 -
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Lan Wang wrote:widgetman wrote:Everyone can have opinions, and maybe other games are not like Eve, however i was just giving an example of why people are not playing Eve as much, and maybe play other games.
As for content i really find it hard to see how spending time making skins etc really help the game that much. My opinion is they should have spent time looking into what they did add to the game such as FW, and maybe overhaul some areas of the game that need it rather than wasting time with aesthetics......
I have played Eve on and off for a long time, it is hard to fully please all players all of the time as we all look for different things in a game. Eve will not die a death it just needs to give the whole game a massive overhaul. i think people play other games not because of the sub cost but because they dont want to dedicate so much time to a game like this and just want instant action games which they can pick up and put down whenever, eve has a niche market, as ccp said most of the playerbase are professionals in rl, designers, developers etc, these are people who thrive to do technical things which other games just dont offer. skins is not the only content they have added to the game, they have added a lot, you only notice what is relevant to your gameplay and not the wider picture of whats been done. Graphics are constantly improving ship models skins new ships new missions sov overhaul drifters thera incursions upcoming new structures im sure ive missed tons of stuff they have added but really i think they are putting alot of effort into the game
Graphics had to improve, we were starting to get to the point the old engine would not work well on new hardware. Ships is not really content, more like toys for the sand. Skins... really?! does anyone even play zoomed in enough to see their own ship? New missions are the burners, not everyone does them, while a good start they really need to give missions some attention. Sov is the problem. Overhauled twice in 6 years and tweaked a dozen times. Not new content, just changing the rules of existing. Drifters they are pulling back on Thera is 0.0 without local Incursions were added for the elite of the PVE and only a few hundred can participate at a time. Arguably most broken thing in the game. New Structures are being slowly diminished to be like the old ones. See recent dev blog about them being Dread meat again.
You have to understand, when we say new content we mean WORMHOLES was NEW CONTENT. FW was NEW CONTENT. lvl 5 missions (they need 100 more agents in low sec) was NEW CONTENT
They have all this Jove space, all this Jove backstory.... add some Content
They have this lovely story about Jamyl of Amarr being murdered, start a civil war in Amarr and allow us to participate. NEW CONTENT.
There should have been comet mining, ring mining, content involving old earth, anything... but we get paint on ships and two massive changes to Sov.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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