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Neph
Operation Meatshield
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Posted - 2015.08.25 14:36:19 -
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Wonder how that will work out for them... kinda hard to defend your borders when your enemy jumps through wormholes.
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Slobodan Hawkwood
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
32
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Posted - 2015.08.25 14:45:18 -
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"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
It has started...purge those soulless abominations and cast them back into the void from where they came. Deus vult! Amarr victor!
"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Paladin's Creed
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1473
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Posted - 2015.08.25 14:47:21 -
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Everybody's got that problem these days, though. Even "natural" wormholes are problem for security.
This sort of statement was probably inevitable, though it seems likely to boil down to just destroying them whenever they appear within reach. Or trying to, anyway.
It'll be a costly fight, win or lose. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5445
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Posted - 2015.08.25 15:17:09 -
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Neph wrote:Wonder how that will work out for them... kinda hard to defend your borders when your enemy jumps through wormholes. [source]
I wonder how lacking the 'sac' to declare war on an enemy that assassinates your head of state would have been perceived. This is the only response that makes sense.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2180
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Posted - 2015.08.25 16:08:12 -
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Let nobody be under the illusion that this war is simply between Amarr and the Drifters.
No. It is between humanity and the Drifters.
And in this war, there can be no middle ground. You are either with us and the rest of humanity, or you are with the Drifters.
Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
245
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Posted - 2015.08.25 16:20:59 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Let nobody be under the illusion that this war is simply between Amarr and the Drifters.
No. It is between humanity and the Drifters.
And in this war, there can be no middle ground. You are either with us and the rest of humanity, or you are with the Drifters.
It is worth noting that myself and some other Minmatar pirate forces do not regard citizens of the Amarr Empire a qualifying human.
Two Empires of monsters have gone to war. Win/Win for the Tribes in my opinion. |
Lucas Raholan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
198
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Posted - 2015.08.25 16:39:26 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Let nobody be under the illusion that this war is simply between Amarr and the Drifters.
No. It is between humanity and the Drifters.
And in this war, there can be no middle ground. You are either with us and the rest of humanity, or you are with the Drifters. It is worth noting that myself and some other Minmatar pirate forces do not regard citizens of the Amarr Empire a qualifying human. Two Empires of monsters have gone to war. Win/Win for the Tribes in my opinion.
I doubt you will be saying this when the Matari trade lanes are infested with these things or when they murder your precious tribal chiefs, The war against the Drifters should be a concern for the entire cluster and it seems like always only the Amarr are prepared to take a stand while the rest hide behind their mothers skirts out of fear and cowardice
Shitposts so bad CONCORD gave me a 50 billion ISK bounty
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5446
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Posted - 2015.08.25 16:57:03 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Let nobody be under the illusion that this war is simply between Amarr and the Drifters.
No. It is between humanity and the Drifters.
And in this war, there can be no middle ground. You are either with us and the rest of humanity, or you are with the Drifters. It is worth noting that myself and some other Minmatar pirate forces do not regard citizens of the Amarr Empire a qualifying human. Two Empires of monsters have gone to war. Win/Win for the Tribes in my opinion.
Well, if you decide that the Drifters attacked the Empire because they perceived them differently than the rest of Humanity then I can understand that.
If, on the other hand, you believe that the Drifters think they'll get to wipe out ONE Human faction before attacking the next tips their hand and unites us against them, then you might think that letting them wipe out the faction in New Eden with the most people and the largest military makes a different sort of sense and you should be nothing but concerned.
I am completely ready to cooperate with the Gallente and the Matari against the Drifters, should it become necessary to do so - without any political strings or conditions. Them or us, tribeswoman.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Sinjin Mokk
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
604
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Posted - 2015.08.25 17:06:34 -
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This is where I get to say, again, "I told you so."
And yes, this is not just an Amarr war, this is surely a war for humanity, a war for our civilization as we know it. Republic, State, Federation, Cartel, NullSec, we are all in danger.
The OP is right in that we face an enemy that can appear anywhere. But we've faced enemies like that before. The enemy has a high degree of technology, they have strength. We have faced that before. We will prevail because we have no choice. We either win this war or everything Humanity has built was all for nothing.
Khanid Victor! Amarr Victor!
"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil" - The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Skyweir Kinnison
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
35
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Posted - 2015.08.25 17:14:06 -
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Lucas Raholan wrote: I doubt you will be saying this when the Matari trade lanes are infested with these things or when they murder your precious tribal chiefs, The war against the Drifters should be a concern for the entire cluster and it seems like always only the Amarr are prepared to take a stand while the rest hide behind their mothers skirts out of fear and cowardice
Word of friendly advice. If you want allies in this, you really ought to work on those diplomatic skills.
On the wider matter, I'm in agreement with Captain Tuulinen. Despite our local issues, I'm ready to c-operate with the Empire and the State to combat this threat. However, I'd like to understand more of what's going on, as there remains a suspicion that Amarr has been targeted (exclusively so far) because of some transgression or technology they have hidden from the rest of the cluster. Less arrogance, more transparency, would go a long way to building alliances.
Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1282
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Posted - 2015.08.25 17:26:34 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Well, if you decide that the Drifters attacked the Empire because they perceived them differently than the rest of Humanity then I can understand that.
If, on the other hand, you believe that the Drifters think they'll get to wipe out ONE Human faction before attacking the next tips their hand and unites us against them, then you might think that letting them wipe out the faction in New Eden with the most people and the largest military makes a different sort of sense and you should be nothing but concerned.
If, on a third hand, you believe that the Drifters had some specific reason to target Jamyl Sarum, and their latest reprisal comes after the declaration of war by Amarr, then why in New Eden would you want to give them a reason to view your high-sec Empire as provoking them?
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1505
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Posted - 2015.08.25 17:32:09 -
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Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
On the wider matter, I'm in agreement with Captain Tuulinen. Despite our local issues, I'm ready to co-operate with the Empire and the State to combat this threat. However, I'd like to understand more of what's going on, as there remains a suspicion that Amarr has been targeted (exclusively so far) because of some transgression or technology they have hidden from the rest of the cluster.
Less arrogance, more transparency, would go a long way to building alliances.
They're not exclusively targeting Amarr. It's a misconception because Amarr faced the brunt of Drifter aggression, eclipsing the smaller engagements. For reasons unknown, the Drifters have been skirmishing with gate patrols in the Gallente Federation. Sometimes, when the Drifter battleships arrive at a gate, they begin trading shots with the Police, navy or Concord ships at the gate, then warp out. The reason for this odd behaviour is not understood, but as some pointed out to me, it could be a way to determine the strength & readyness of the Gallente Federation ships for unknown reasons.
So far, no confirmed reports have reached me of this behaviour outside the Federation.
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Empress Jamyl Sarum I assassinated by Drifter taskforce!
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1282
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Posted - 2015.08.25 17:34:08 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:For reasons unknown, the Drifters have been skirmishing with gate patrols in the Gallente Federation. Sometimes, when the Drifter battleships arrive at a gate, they begin trading shots with the Police, navy or Concord ships at the gate, then warp out. The reason for this odd behaviour is not understood, but as some pointed out to me, it could be a way to determine the strength & readyness of the Gallente Federation ships for unknown reasons.
As I've heard it, this generally happens when a capsuleer involves themselves with an observatory, or the seekers. Drifters arrive, the capsuleer flees, and they pursue to a gate, where defense forces react. The Drifters trade a few shots, then leave. |
Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
549
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Posted - 2015.08.25 18:10:23 -
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Lucas Raholan wrote:
I doubt you will be saying this when the Matari trade lanes are infested with these things or when they murder your precious tribal chiefs.
When they become as bad as the Amarr, you mean?
And now that that's out of my system.... Lucas Raholan wrote: war against the Drifters should be a concern for the entire cluster and it seems like always only the Amarr are prepared to take a stand while the rest hide behind their mothers skirts out of fear and cowardice Not true, we just don't like the way you Amarrians went about demanding our help like you were entitled to it. Ask nicely, and with a little humility, and we might be willing to work something out.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5449
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Posted - 2015.08.25 18:12:59 -
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Arrendis wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Well, if you decide that the Drifters attacked the Empire because they perceived them differently than the rest of Humanity then I can understand that.
If, on the other hand, you believe that the Drifters think they'll get to wipe out ONE Human faction before attacking the next tips their hand and unites us against them, then you might think that letting them wipe out the faction in New Eden with the most people and the largest military makes a different sort of sense and you should be nothing but concerned. If, on a third hand, you believe that the Drifters had some specific reason to target Jamyl Sarum, and their latest reprisal comes after the declaration of war by Amarr, then why in New Eden would you want to give them a reason to view your high-sec Empire as provoking them?
I suppose it depends on whether losing a third of humanity is an acceptable outcome. The fact is that all of our opinions on Drifter Intentions are suppositions. I'd really like to hear from the Drifters themselves and, thus far, they have wholly avoided communication with us. Even Sansha communicated his intentions and his reasons for war.
The only faction that doesn't are the Rogue Drones - who are dedicated to the annihilation of our species and their replacement of us in our space as the dominant species. In fact there's some justification for believing that the Drones don't even see us as sapient and assume that we are a biological infestation inside our ships - which they tend to cannibalise or take over themselves.
We would be very remiss in just assuming they're angry with a single person or faction with no strong evidence.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1384
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Posted - 2015.08.25 18:47:33 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote: Not true, we just don't like the way you Amarrians went about demanding our help like you were entitled to it.
They did... ? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7051
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Posted - 2015.08.25 19:01:19 -
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I think it would be prudent for all of the empires to declare war.
Though Roden has not said much more beyond the usual political obligatory stuff regarding the tragedy that has befallen the Amarr. That sneaky old man could be letting the Drifters join the Federation for all we know.
Humor aside, of all the empires, the Federation is probably the most vulnerable to attack. This is a downside of course, but on the upside this would be a new opportunity for the Intaki to get out of the Federation if it collapses.
I have a feeling things won't go well for Amarr. They have a weakness that is born of comeuppance. If the Drifters were to boost and ally with the Matar it would be the breakdown of the Amarr Empire.
So far the Drifters have demonstrated little more than brute force. Fear the day they discover that exploiting human weaknesses of intrigue and revenge is so much easier. They could burn the empires down without firing a shot.
It makes me wonder if the Drifters, so lacking in such evils, have motivations that we are yet to fully understand. They certainly are more honest: they shoot you with both hands instead of shaking your hand with one and stabbing you in the back with the other.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
263
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Posted - 2015.08.25 19:19:26 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Lucas Raholan wrote:
I doubt you will be saying this when the Matari trade lanes are infested with these things or when they murder your precious tribal chiefs.
When they become as bad as the Amarr, you mean? And now that that's out of my system.... Lucas Raholan wrote: war against the Drifters should be a concern for the entire cluster and it seems like always only the Amarr are prepared to take a stand while the rest hide behind their mothers skirts out of fear and cowardice Not true, we just don't like the way you Amarrians went about demanding our help like you were entitled to it. Ask nicely, and with a little humility, and we might be willing to work something out. I like how both of you are right.
So we need to find our halfway house here. Amarr could turn off the smugness switch and others could start helping. What I mean is, so far I've seen burning Navy wrecks and idiots in covops ships sitting there and doing nothing. I understand why, because it is a lowsec.
So, now it is a question to our Glorious Space Security CONCORD Forces of the New Eden Cluster, would they lift their asses off the tables and go and at least secure the system, offer some intel to us, who constantly clean up the mess after them, on how to get this menace contained.
Because, frankly, if Amarr Empire is going down, we are next.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7053
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Posted - 2015.08.25 19:32:57 -
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I'll fight for Amarr if I can get free cases of that Amarr Victor beer. That's some good brew.
Stupid hippies running the Federation won't allow imports. Might hurt some feelings they say.
("Hippie" is an old slang word probably going back to ancient Sol. Best I can figure from scant information gathered from archeological sites is that they were a cult of sorts that eschewed logic and prayed every day at 4:20 PM, for some reason)
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Haria Haritimado
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
90
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Posted - 2015.08.25 19:46:16 -
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Fellow Capsuleers,
The declaration of war against the Drifter forces by the Amarr Empire appears as a logical and necessary step to IKAME. I remember that we talked about exactly this scenario at the Pakhshi Peace Conference. Sadly, it has become bitter reality now. For now, we don't know how this declaration of war will influence the political relations between the five empires. It can be assumed that the events will contribute to instability.
I agree with my comrade Jaret Vicorian above, system security - that is: protection against opportunistic and criminal regular capsuleer forces - is crucial. It is us, we capsuleers, who are asked to throw in our abilities and resources in an effort to secure stability at our borders, within our core systems, and between the major stellar nations.
I would like to encourage to team up early and coordinate meaningful efforts as a reaction against the Drifter attacks. IKAME and several allied parties support the channel "Consortium COORD". We are inviting capsuleers and mercenaries from all nations to join us there. We try to feed the latest news and coordinate fleets whenever possible. Initiative is welcome.
Respectfully yours,
Haria Haritimado Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Character blog: Horizons and Reflections
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Lucas Raholan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
203
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Posted - 2015.08.26 02:09:41 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Lucas Raholan wrote:
I doubt you will be saying this when the Matari trade lanes are infested with these things or when they murder your precious tribal chiefs.
When they become as bad as the Amarr, you mean? And now that that's out of my system.... Lucas Raholan wrote: war against the Drifters should be a concern for the entire cluster and it seems like always only the Amarr are prepared to take a stand while the rest hide behind their mothers skirts out of fear and cowardice Not true, we just don't like the way you Amarrians went about demanding our help like you were entitled to it. Ask nicely, and with a little humility, and we might be willing to work something out. I like how both of you are right. So we need to find our halfway house here. Amarr could turn off the smugness switch and others could start helping. What I mean is, so far I've seen burning Navy wrecks and idiots in covops ships sitting there and doing nothing. I understand why, because it is a lowsec. So, now it is a question to our Glorious Space Security CONCORD Forces of the New Eden Cluster, would they lift their asses off the tables and go and at least secure the system, offer some intel to us, who constantly clean up the mess after them, on how to get this menace contained. Because, frankly, if Amarr Empire is going down, we are next.
You expect CONCORD to do anything about these attacks, they did nothing to protect a head of state, do you really think their going suddenly become competent and responding now following multiple attacks against the Cluster, They even laid siege to the DED own headquarters and they showed they'd rather attack passing capsuleers then deal with the immediate threat .
CONCORD are a corrupt institution that has outlived it's purpose and meaning, we must look to the empires and ourselves to fend of this new terror before it consumes all of New Eden for CONCORD will not save us
Shitposts so bad CONCORD gave me a 50 billion ISK bounty
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Math'ra Hiede
Trinity's Vanguard
47
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Posted - 2015.08.26 02:38:00 -
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This is exactly what I have warned of.
A state of war now exists between the Empire and the threat of the Drifters. We alone have called their bluff and begun to move to a state of readiness to forever deal with this abomination.
They have all ready appeared in my Kingdom, while people use this as an excuse to murder each other and ignore the true problem staring them in the face.
It is at times like this we remind the other races and powers. This is the Empire, standing for Humanity when those who cannot or will not stand.
We will fight this terror with all our might.
Khanid Victor! Amarr Victor! |
Teinyhr
Ourumur
477
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Posted - 2015.08.26 05:35:51 -
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Rodj Blake wrote: And in this war, there can be no middle ground. You are either with us and the rest of humanity, or you are with the Drifters.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I've read nothing of the sort that the Empire has even asked any help aside from the capsuleer loyalists. In their hubris they think themselves able to fend off the threat alone, or so it would seem from where I'm standing. And I'm under the impression that if Republic, Federation or State fleets would start entering the Empire's borders without permission that would be considered an act of war, or at least provocation of the highest order, regardless of good intention. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7572
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Posted - 2015.08.26 05:38:01 -
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ALERT
Drifter incursion has expanded to the neighboring system of Chitiamem!
We do not as yet know whether this is because the Drifters are expanding a bridgehead, or because the Amarr have improved their ability to detect Drifter penetrations. Amarr border control was reported to be able to identify Drifter movements during the Safizon raid 14th August, and so it may be the latter.
More information as we acquire it.
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1385
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Posted - 2015.08.26 08:01:50 -
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Lucas Raholan wrote: You expect CONCORD to do anything about these attacks, they did nothing to protect a head of state
Isn't this the job of the navy, sir... ? |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
587
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Posted - 2015.08.26 08:24:53 -
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Big news; it's expected as standard protocols and procedures?
Why does this even warrant a discussion?
I suppose we'll have to endure a few more days of this amarrian golden robe prancing, or mourning, whichever you prefer.
Lyn Farel wrote:Lucas Raholan wrote: You expect CONCORD to do anything about these attacks, they did nothing to protect a head of state
Isn't this the job of the navy, sir... ?
Technically. If you want to allow CONCORD to just idly sit and watch for the sake of bureaucracy, that's on your conscience. Don't expect the rest of your compatriots to be equally thrilled about it however.
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim
Angels are never far...
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1511
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Posted - 2015.08.26 09:32:35 -
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So far, most capsuleers are still in the stage of poking the Drifters, no full scale engagements yet, except for the sake of finding ways to beat them on a regular basis.
The Drifters did pick their initial attack well, a lowsec system in Khanid space. Remote from any supplies & bereft of most normal security, making it an easy target to reinforce themselves & exert control over the area. Meanwhile we constantly have to watch our backs, not only from Drifters attacking us, but also our own kind salivating at the idea of shooting fellow capsuleers.
My latest publication summarizes the War Declaration & the initial hours at the Khanid conflict zone: 'The Amarr Empire marches to war!'
The criticism about Concord's silence is a good point however. During the Sansha attacks, they at least provided some intel regarding Nation, once the spy was rooted out. But now they've been completely silent ever since the Drifters attacked Yulai... Wonder what's up with that.
The Amarr Empire marches to war!
Empress Jamyl Sarum I assassinated by Drifter taskforce!
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1624
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Posted - 2015.08.26 11:25:23 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:So far, most capsuleers are still in the stage of poking the Drifters, no full scale engagements yet, except for the sake of finding ways to beat them on a regular basis. The Drifters did pick their initial attack well, a lowsec system in Khanid space. Remote from any supplies & bereft of most normal security, making it an easy target to reinforce themselves & exert control over the area. Meanwhile we constantly have to watch our backs, not only from Drifters attacking us, but also our own kind salivating at the idea of shooting fellow capsuleers. My latest publication summarizes the War Declaration & the initial hours at the Khanid conflict zone: 'The Amarr Empire marches to war!'The criticism about Concord's silence is a good point however. During the Sansha attacks, they at least provided some intel regarding Nation, once the spy was rooted out. But now they've been completely silent ever since the Drifters attacked Yulai... Wonder what's up with that.
My guess is that CONCORD don't know if this is purely between the Drifters and Amarr or the start of a larger conflict. If the former they'll stay out of it. If the latter then they will step in. Of course there is always the possibility that CONCORD know it is the former... |
Anslo
Scope Works
32098
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Posted - 2015.08.26 11:33:42 -
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Meh.
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Michael Pawlicki
Aliastra Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2015.08.26 20:33:42 -
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Quote:You expect CONCORD to do anything about these attacks, they did nothing to protect a head of state, do you really think their going suddenly become competent and responding now following multiple attacks against the Cluster, They even laid siege to the DED own headquarters and they showed they'd rather attack passing capsuleers then deal with the immediate threat .
CONCORD are a corrupt institution that has outlived it's purpose and meaning, we must look to the empires and ourselves to fend of this new terror before it consumes all of New Eden for CONCORD will not save us
CONCORD has what little help they can offer tied up with the Sansha abduction campaigns, and given their previous dealings I would expect no support. We need to get the other Empires off their asses and move forces out to deal with this, preferably commanded by capsuleers. While the CFC burns Providence, the Drifters are annihilating Amarr Navy vessels, and my contacts in the Navy say that this is a battle they have little chance to win. We need to unite or die alone.
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