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Crimson Draufgange
Extreme Overkill Inc. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.08.25 20:35:18 -
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What if EVE had T2 shuttles?
I propose that T2 shuttles be bubble immune and have a warp speed of 6.0 AU. This makes them considerably better than T1 shuttles and would improve the quality of life for many players. To balance them out, I also propose that the align time of these T2 shuttles be, in best case scenario, 3-4 seconds. This still makes them catch-able by fast locking frigates. Also, the 6.0 AU warp speed makes them considerably faster than T1 frigates and shuttles, but still a bit slower than interceptors. This gives interceptors a better chance at catching said shuttles.
I'm also thinking that the material requirements for making T2 shuttles could be very low. I think a good market price for T2 shuttles would be 800k - 1 mill. Great entry level item for beginning industrialists and traders alike.
What do you guys think?
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Malen Nenokal
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2015.08.25 20:44:37 -
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I like it, but it sounds like interceptors would still do the same job more effectively. Cost is rarely a deterrent for something so safe. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
423
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Posted - 2015.08.25 20:45:20 -
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Crimson Draufgange wrote:What if EVE had T2 shuttles?
I propose that T2 shuttles be bubble immune and have a warp speed of 6.0 AU. This makes them considerably better than T1 shuttles and would improve the quality of life for many players. To balance them out, I also propose that the align time of these T2 shuttles be, in best case scenario, 3-4 seconds. This still makes them catch-able by fast locking frigates. Also, the 6.0 AU warp speed makes them considerably faster than T1 frigates and shuttles, but still a bit slower than interceptors. This gives interceptors a better chance at catching said shuttles.
I'm also thinking that the material requirements for making T2 shuttles could be very low. I think a good market price for T2 shuttles would be 800k - 1 mill. Great entry level item for beginning industrialists and traders alike.
What do you guys think?
Is that somehow related to GSF?
If not, -1. |
Crimson Draufgange
Extreme Overkill Inc. Mordus Angels
683
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Posted - 2015.08.25 20:49:05 -
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Malen Nenokal wrote:I like it, but it sounds like interceptors would still do the same job more effectively. Cost is rarely a deterrent for something so safe.
Yes, interceptors would still be more effective. However, if you're a newbro, you're probably not trained into interceptors yet, much less can afford one.
The SP req for these shuttles would be much lower compared to interceptors. Like I said before, they would also be much cheaper, making them a more viable option for New Eden's newbros.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2274
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Posted - 2015.08.25 21:23:39 -
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I could support T2 shuttles with faster warp speeds and slightly more tank, cargo space, speed, and/or agility (1-2 of them, not all of them), but a big fat "no" to bubble immunity. Bubble immunity is meant to be something relatively rare amongst ships and is quite a powerful attribute.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2589
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Posted - 2015.08.25 21:27:54 -
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I'm not sure how I feel about that align time. I know I personally would rarely if ever use one of those because fast-locking warp disruptors are far more common in my experience than warp disrupt bubbles, but I mostly shuttle through lowsec anyway, and use an interceptor for nullsec.
I made this a while back: New Tech III ship: Strategic Shuttle Some people told me it should be tech 2 or faction instead.
Here's an idea: the tech 2 shuttle could have fittings. It could have align similar to an interceptor, bubble immunity, 4-5 total slots, very low fitting room and cargohold, and a skill cost lower than an interceptor. Its purpose would be a cheaper and lower skill interceptor for those who only wish to move around in it, might be slightly faster aligning than an interceptor, but without stepping on interceptor toes because it doesn't perform many of the other functions and has slower warp speed (6 AU/s instead of 8).
Bronson Hughes wrote:I could support T2 shuttles with faster warp speeds and slightly more tank, cargo space, speed, and/or agility (1-2 of them, not all of them), but a big fat "no" to bubble immunity. Bubble immunity is meant to be something relatively rare amongst ships and is quite a powerful attribute. I think CCP should do away with bubble immunity and give bubbles a specific warp disrupt strength, something low. Warp stabbed ships shouldn't be caught in bubbles, the trick to catching them should be using multiple insta-locking ships. Interceptors could be given -1 bubble disrupt strength, making +1 disrupt bubbles useless against them. Bubbles should be for capturing fleets, not for capturing mega-stabbed bigships because you're too lazy to get enough points on it. Also there should be large warp disruptors/scramblers for fitting on cruisers or battleships for more disrupt strength at the cost of longer locking time.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11428
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Posted - 2015.08.25 21:36:23 -
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This immediately poped into my head upon reading the title.
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Crimson Draufgange
Extreme Overkill Inc. Mordus Angels
687
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Posted - 2015.08.25 21:41:20 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:I could support T2 shuttles with faster warp speeds and slightly more tank, cargo space, speed, and/or agility (1-2 of them, not all of them), but a big fat "no" to bubble immunity. Bubble immunity is meant to be something relatively rare amongst ships and is quite a powerful attribute.
Yes, bubble immune, which is why align time would be their weakness. If they align as fast as a regular shuttle, that makes them far to overpowered.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
423
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Posted - 2015.08.25 22:04:53 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:This immediately poped into my head upon reading the title.
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Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two
104
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Posted - 2015.08.26 07:55:52 -
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Crimson Draufgange wrote:What if EVE had T2 shuttles?
I propose that T2 shuttles be bubble immune and have a warp speed of 6.0 AU. This makes them considerably better than T1 shuttles and would improve the quality of life for many players. To balance them out, I also propose that the align time of these T2 shuttles be, in best case scenario, 3-4 seconds. This still makes them catch-able by fast locking frigates. Also, the 6.0 AU warp speed makes them considerably faster than T1 frigates and shuttles, but still a bit slower than interceptors. This gives interceptors a better chance at catching said shuttles.
I'm also thinking that the material requirements for making T2 shuttles could be very low. I think a good market price for T2 shuttles would be 800k - 1 mill. Great entry level item for beginning industrialists and traders alike.
What do you guys think?
Implemented as ceptors, and they are much faster in warp.
No need seen.
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
411
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Posted - 2015.08.26 09:10:56 -
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Crimson Draufgange wrote:
I propose that T2 shuttles be bubble immune
Crimson Draufgange wrote: I think a good market price for T2 shuttles would be 800k - 1 mill.
How about atleast 50-100 million atleast. Also the regular t1 shuttle already have an insane aligntime, if you want bubble immunity, then get a Intercept.
Crimson Draufgange wrote: Great entry level item for beginning industrialists and traders alike.
That's what the t1 transport ships are for. Also this ship wouldn't be used as such.
so... no. |
Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
37
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Posted - 2015.08.26 09:40:56 -
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I like the idea of fast T2 shuttles with extra bonuses. The price point should be significant to not make T1 shuttles even more irrelevant.
But I assume this is a pretext to nerf bubble immunity of interceptors and that is something I do not support. The only problem is the combination of entosis links and bubble immunity at a very low price point and low skill requirements. I think bubble immunity is somehow required to fulfill the interceptor role. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
1104
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Posted - 2015.08.26 10:23:41 -
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We need t2 shuttles with extra bonus to capsules installed and cargo bay for living creatures capacity.
Do it a space bus.
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
930
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Posted - 2015.08.26 10:37:25 -
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I honestly don't see a convincing argument for T2 shuttles.
Not supported.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
812
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Posted - 2015.08.26 10:39:42 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:This immediately poped into my head upon reading the title. same
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Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
37
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Posted - 2015.08.26 10:54:24 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:This immediately poped into my head upon reading the title.
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Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
37
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Posted - 2015.08.26 10:57:41 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:We need t2 shuttles with extra bonus to capsules installed and cargo bay for living creatures capacity.
Do it a space bus.
Yes! Allow corp CEOs to move corp members around in them. And only a slight extension to kill mails is needed! Is this asking too much?
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
1040
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Posted - 2015.08.26 11:45:13 -
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Crimson Draufgange wrote:bubble immune Get out, please. Take inty's bubble immunity with you, while you are at it.
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
764
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:10:13 -
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Or maybe get a yacht and align fit it so you get below 2 sec align.
Bubble immune check Fast warp speed check Can warp cloaked check Can align faster than decloak on gate lets you lock check Can tank 6 smartbombing battleships check Costs more than you are willing to spend check
Deal with it.
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Jhora Kinaff
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:10:43 -
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Immunity to bubbles seems a bit extreme, I'd rather go with something like this:
T2 Shuttle (2,000,000 ISK base value)
100m3 Cargo +50% armour, shields & hull +20% warp speed +40% signature radius +50% inertia modifier 1 high slot for cloaking device (cannot use covert-ops) - no turret/launcher hardpoints 1 low slot for something like a WCS/Expander |
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