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Nakito Kobara
Yamagata Syndicate Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2015.08.26 11:44:36 -
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Has there been any news on the States stance on the drifters yet? All my contacts are coming up with nothing at the moment.
This is such a huge threat to the State and humanity that I feel we must act quickly in this instance.
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Kairelle
Raven.Syndicate Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
27
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Posted - 2015.08.26 11:50:08 -
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While I can't speak in an official capacity for the State.....I would imagine something along the lines of 'kill it' sounds about right.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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Foley Aberas Jones
Huogikku Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
403
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:08:40 -
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Damn drifters...
Why won't they come planet side so i can shove my Caldari steel boot a mile up their ass? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5456
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:00:50 -
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I would imagine that data is currently being gathered. Until that is completed, I should imagine that the State government has a party line of "The problems of others are not our concern."
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Sinjin Mokk
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
608
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:16:10 -
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It was reported that, "The Caldari Navy has been placed on alert along State borders and Megacorporation security forces have been mobilized for "purposes of maintaining the internal security of state and corporate assets given the clear danger from the Drifter entities.""
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5460
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Posted - 2015.08.26 16:40:10 -
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So, that would be a "Kill it if it comes in our territory." response, then.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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unidenify
Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium
120
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Posted - 2015.08.26 17:42:19 -
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Given threat of Drifter, is it will be necessary to form alliance with Gallente, Amarr and Minimatar? |
Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1485
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Posted - 2015.08.26 17:44:50 -
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Have the Amarr called at all for outside military aid, aside from capsuleers?
It might be sensible if they did, at least from the State. A joint task force or something?
Maybe they can't afford to look weak right now, though.... |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5463
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:15:27 -
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unidenify wrote:Given threat of Drifter, is it will be necessary to form alliance with Gallente, Amarr and Minimatar?
It could well come to that - I've already indicated my willingness to fly with Capsuleers with any loyalty, from State through Federation all the way to Goon if it comes to that - with no stupid political strings attached except cease-fire and reciprocity.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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unidenify
Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium
120
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Posted - 2015.08.26 19:00:24 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:unidenify wrote:Given threat of Drifter, is it will be necessary to form alliance with Gallente, Amarr and Minimatar? It could well come to that - I've already indicated my willingness to fly with Capsuleers with any loyalty, from State through Federation all the way to Goon if it comes to that - with no stupid political strings attached except cease-fire and reciprocity.
Suppose Drifter demonstrate that they are only aggressive toward Amarr, Should Caldari State get involved and risk a possible retribution from Drifter, or stay out of the war and hope that Drifter will not be aggressive toward other 3 empire? |
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5468
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Posted - 2015.08.26 20:46:27 -
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unidenify wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:unidenify wrote:Given threat of Drifter, is it will be necessary to form alliance with Gallente, Amarr and Minimatar? It could well come to that - I've already indicated my willingness to fly with Capsuleers with any loyalty, from State through Federation all the way to Goon if it comes to that - with no stupid political strings attached except cease-fire and reciprocity. Suppose Drifter demonstrate that they are only aggressive toward Amarr, Should Caldari State get involved and risk a possible retribution from Drifter, or stay out of the war and hope that Drifter will not be aggressive toward other 3 empire?
That decision is well above my pay-grade! If the CEP decides that the State is at war with the Drifters then we are at war. There are compelling reasons to go in both directions.
On the one hand, the Empire certainly didn't confer with the State before declaring war on the Drifters, so I believe that the State is not bound to match that declaration with one of their own (and I can infer this because the State has NOT declared war). This war is likely to be expensive and put many lives at risk - why should the State bear the burden without cause?
On the other hand, if the Empire requests aid and we refuse - even if contractually permitted to do so - it may well cause sufficient bad feeling to end the Alliance, which is arguably the only thing standing between the State and immediate open war with the Republic and the Federation. It might also lead to the de facto destruction of the Empire, which would have much the same effect - although with a countervailing possibility of taking the Republic out of the alliance once the Empire is no longer a threat
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1979
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Posted - 2015.08.26 21:43:57 -
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Nakito Kobara wrote:Has there been any news on the States stance on the drifters yet? All my contacts are coming up with nothing at the moment.
This is such a huge threat to the State and humanity that I feel we must act quickly in this instance. I don't think you should need any confirmation at the moment. Unless the officials will say otherwise, they are direct enemies of the State, as they have openly attacked ally of the State - the Amarr Empire. |
unidenify
Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium
122
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Posted - 2015.08.26 23:03:53 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Nakito Kobara wrote:Has there been any news on the States stance on the drifters yet? All my contacts are coming up with nothing at the moment.
This is such a huge threat to the State and humanity that I feel we must act quickly in this instance. I don't think you should need any confirmation at the moment. Unless the officials will say otherwise, they are direct enemies of the State, as they have openly attacked ally of the State - the Amarr Empire. But we have yet to hear aid request from Amarr. |
Vikarion
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
866
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Posted - 2015.08.26 23:52:52 -
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I would put my sentiments as such:
I against my brother. My brother and I against our cousins in our corporate division. Our department against other divisions in our corporation. Our corporation against the other corporations in our Mega. Our Mega against the other Megas in the State. The State against other humans. And other humans against that which is not.
Neither Sansha or the Drifters share this final division. |
Math'ra Hiede
Khanid Interstellar Survey and Security
54
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Posted - 2015.08.27 00:01:02 -
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Vikarion wrote:I would put my sentiments as such:
I against my brother. My brother and I against our cousins in our corporate division. Our department against other divisions in our corporation. Our corporation against the other corporations in our Mega. Our Mega against the other Megas in the State. The State against other humans. And other humans against that which is not.
Neither Sansha or the Drifters share this final division.
How Typically Caldari. This is really why I like your people, so entirely logical.
I only hope that with the State's unfailing logic they come to the same agreement in time to do some good. |
Ginia Itonula
State Protectorate Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2015.08.27 02:32:48 -
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Math'ra Hiede wrote:Vikarion wrote:I would put my sentiments as such:
I against my brother. My brother and I against our cousins in our corporate division. Our department against other divisions in our corporation. Our corporation against the other corporations in our Mega. Our Mega against the other Megas in the State. The State against other humans. And other humans against that which is not.
Neither Sansha or the Drifters share this final division. How Typically Caldari. This is really why I like your people, so entirely logical. I only hope that with the State's unfailing logic they come to the same agreement in time to do some good.
You can likely count on it. Having a reaving force of uncommunicative aliens capable of popping out of nowhere and alpha striking a Titan off the field, along with the pilots pod before anyone can even dent their shields and then running off?
That's what's called 'bad for business'. Even if they have no stated or visibly hostile intent, their existence is a threat to the State. And the Caldari State prides itself on having the pinnacle of technology. So, I want those guns for my own ship. |
Varus Sakura
The Desolate Order Brave Collective
11
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Posted - 2015.08.28 00:11:00 -
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At this point, each individual Empire's "stance" on the Drifters is somewhat irrelevant. They have invaded Amarr space, but they have killed capsuleers of every race and affiliation, and will no doubt continue to do so. The speed and reach of their expansion is yet to be determined, but at this point they constitute a grave threat to the entire cluster; either we all band together, learn more about them, and fight, or it appears they will wipe us all away. |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1180
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Posted - 2015.08.28 00:16:52 -
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Varus Sakura wrote:At this point, each individual Empire's "stance" on the Drifters is somewhat irrelevant. They have invaded Amarr space, but they have killed capsuleers of every race and affiliation, and will no doubt continue to do so. The speed and reach of their expansion is yet to be determined, but at this point they constitute a grave threat to the entire cluster; either we all band together, learn more about them, and fight, or it appears they will wipe us all away.
They fire on people based on aggression or trespassing. Same as any other Navy. Past that the only entities they seem to be actively aggressing against have been the Amarr. The former Empress specifically and those who carry out her will in general. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1640
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Posted - 2015.08.28 08:48:26 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Varus Sakura wrote:At this point, each individual Empire's "stance" on the Drifters is somewhat irrelevant. They have invaded Amarr space, but they have killed capsuleers of every race and affiliation, and will no doubt continue to do so. The speed and reach of their expansion is yet to be determined, but at this point they constitute a grave threat to the entire cluster; either we all band together, learn more about them, and fight, or it appears they will wipe us all away. They fire on people based on aggression or trespassing. Same as any other Navy. Past that the only entities they seem to be actively aggressing against have been the Amarr. The former Empress specifically and those who carry out her will in general.
Agreed, this is no more a threat to the entire cluster than the Amarr themselves until proven otherwise by the Drifters actions. Hell for all we know the ancestral Amarr destroyed the Drifters ancestors when they gained control of their first planets and the Drifters really know how to hold a grudge.
I'm leaning more towards them being somewhat aggravated Sleepers though. |
Enso Nibbana
Brahman
4
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Posted - 2015.09.01 11:57:48 -
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So the divided fall. |
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1646
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Posted - 2015.09.01 12:16:09 -
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Enso Nibbana wrote:So the divided fall.
Nah, worst case is a lot of the Amarr navy fall and then everyone else help the remainder to tackle the Drifters should they turn out to be a cluster wide threat. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9182
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Posted - 2015.09.01 15:59:34 -
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I would say Caldari State stance should be opposite to Gallente stance.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5510
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Posted - 2015.09.01 17:00:31 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:I would say Caldari State stance should be opposite to Gallente stance.
I would say that the Caldari don't define themselves as merely being the opposite of the Gallente. The State will act according to it's interests, as usual - we're a conglomerate of Corporate States and not a Saturday morning cartoon villain.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1380
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:49:09 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:we're a conglomerate of Corporate States and not a Saturday morning cartoon villain.
But if Tibermel can capture those Nelks, he can eat some, and turn the others to gold! |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5514
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:53:32 -
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Arrendis wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:we're a conglomerate of Corporate States and not a Saturday morning cartoon villain. But if Tibermel can capture those Nelks, he can eat some, and turn the others to gold!
If I had been issued a sense of humour, that would have made me laugh out loud.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
5810
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Posted - 2015.09.01 19:01:58 -
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It occurs to me that expecting the Caldari State to have a unified stance on... well, anything, really, rather misses the point of the Caldari State.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Enso Nibbana
Brahman
5
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Posted - 2015.09.01 20:41:31 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Enso Nibbana wrote:So the divided fall. Nah, worst case is a lot of the Amarr navy fall and then everyone else help the remainder to tackle the Drifters should they turn out to be a cluster wide threat.
So the Divided fall. |
Jax Kazen
Prometheus Deep Space Mining and Salvage
35
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Posted - 2015.09.01 20:44:51 -
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My understanding from my contacts in the Caldari Navy is that the State is more concerned about the possibility of Gallente incursions.
The State's top military strategists feel that the Minmatar Republic will attack a weakened Amarr Empire forcing them to fight a war on two fronts. Calls will come for the State's assistance.
Should the State decide to provide support, it will weaken the defenses of the Caldari core. Troops / Fleets will have to be pulled from the border systems to protect the megacorporations' core locations.
With the weakened position, the cowardly Gallente will look to annex border systems anticipating little resistance. As such, the Caldari State is considering it's options and responses.
That's the high-level that I got from my contacts. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5519
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Posted - 2015.09.01 21:11:41 -
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Well, that's always the problem, isn't it? Do we fear the magical space-wizards nobody had heard of six months ago or do we guard against our ages old foe who constantly and inevitably seeks to take advantage of our every weakness.
The Caldari State only has the ONE confirmed existential threat.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
5812
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Posted - 2015.09.01 21:57:23 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Well, that's always the problem, isn't it? Do we fear the magical space-wizards nobody had heard of six months ago or do we guard against our ages old foe who constantly and inevitably seeks to take advantage of our every weakness. Actually, as I seem to remember it, the last time one of us showed weakness and the other exploited it, it wasn't us doing the exploiting.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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