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Salpun
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Posted - 2011.12.09 14:41:00 -
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As a wh dweller who got a bpo into the wh and started makeing blocks in an anticipated switch over in 2 weeks from blue print release your pushing it back for a month just put a big kink in my plans. Will now have to pull in more fuel to carry us over to the new date. Would have been nice to have this news even 24 hours ago
Could time left be changed to must be refilled on in anticipation of the change |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.12.09 16:19:00 -
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Aareya wrote:It gives CCP more time to find bugs in the system. We wouldn't want fuel block go-live to do something like uncheck an alliance's autopay setting. Only way to test it is live Everyone knows that |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:04:00 -
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Updates are updates. Anyone that is on sisi deals with them.
An additional hour of down time to save a weeks worth of fuel that would have messed up the markets even more is just fine with me. Everyone that will be ready for the change is already and pushing it off just means that some of those ready now will forget to do it when the actual change his in Jan.
If its ready to go on the 14th do it. WH pilots will thank you.
Thanks for the explanation but common this is EVE. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.12.10 07:10:00 -
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Icarus Helia wrote:disasteur wrote:LethalGeek wrote:disasteur wrote: some words written in a blog from the devs....... CLARIFICATION: Fuel switchover will happen with a scheduled patch approximately two weeks after Crucible, details of which will be announced closer to the time. Towers will continue to use the original fuel types right up until this patch happens. After this patch is applied, they will use fuel blocks exclusively for fuel.
so whats with the couple of weeks??????
I believe you left out a part about "this is left vague since we don't want to do this until all the side effects of the expansion are addressed first so we don't cause a lot of towers to offline due to bugs or other unforeseen problems." no i didnt left out a part this is the blog i got the info http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3143the txt you referring to says... i quote We recommend ensuring that you keep enough old-style fuel in your tower to last three days past the scheduled switchover patch - so that, in the unlikely event that the patch runs into a technical glitch that prevents deployment, your towers won't go offline - and fill the rest up with fuel blocks. This should ensure a smooth switch-over. @ Pasha Cracken, you do have made a good point @ Icarus Helia its not about me or anyone else failing, its about information feed by ccp that fails, pasha cracken made a good comment on that, i quote a part.. Im saying that people rushed into this, and they speculated and over worked themselves. I do believe that CCP is at fault because they should have given the turnover date when the BPOs where introduced, however they did tell everyone that they would give them plently of time to make the switch. we already agree that CCP needs to clean up communications - but the point is that people took vague guesstimates as the word in stone, which I think places them far more at fault, especially if they converted their entire stocks to fuel blocks, and therefore makes them exactly the kind of people you don't want in charge of important stuff like keeping your isk farming moon goo bubbles, or jump bridge structures, or multibillion isk construction and research projects alive.
As the person that raised the issue on the first page The people that converted blocks are the proactive ones. The players that you want in charge of stuff like that becouse you know that they will keep there eyes on the goal and do what ever work is neccessary to make it work.
I'll do the work neccessary but any changes we can get out of CCP like doubling the fuel hanger is a nice plus and shows the devs are listening. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.12.10 07:25:00 -
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Icarus Helia wrote:Salpun wrote:As the person that raised the issue on the first page The people that converted blocks are the proactive ones. The players that you want in charge of stuff like that becouse you know that they will keep there eyes on the goal and do what ever work is neccessary to make it work. I'll do the work neccessary but any changes we can get out of CCP like doubling the fuel hanger is a nice plus and shows the devs are listening. the kind of people who make all of their vital supplies semi-worthless based on a guesstimate date that hasn't been confirmed in any way are NOT the kind of people you want to be in charge of fuelling any important pos. Proactive is not synonymous with competent or good. Plenty of incompetent boobs are very proactive people.
In WH's you are proactive or you die. CCP did not communicate well, they will make some changes and all will be well. I just feel bad for the guys in null with lots of posses.
Everyone took the info given and make a choice. As with CCP; they are eaither happy or mad about their choice.
Lets ease the pain a little if possible and carry one. o7 |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.12.12 04:56:00 -
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Deriah Book wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote: On a slightly related note, here is a quick piece of wildlife advice...blah...blah...blah
We are a small corp that makes our own fuel in the WH. So, same complaints as everyone else. Not only are you making fueling the pos more complicated and then trying to sell it like it's sex, but you throw this 6 week wrench in? Douche bag much? But that's not my issue. You are trying to be cute with your insipid snake bite story when my windows still don't pin, open where ever they like, and my bookmarks autofolder? Get real man. Douche...
Its true its a mess hopefully of tuesday with the patch windows will pin(works on Sisi), Bookmark fix will be tested and implemented not yet on Sisi but in work per a Dev, and POS fuel bays will be doubled in size to ease the pain. Entered into the development code but not yet on Sisi has to be QAed first. So things are looking up. Maybe |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:01:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Flamehaired Death wrote:Two BIG questions about double fuel bay sizes.
First can we wait until its confirmed that all POS are eating their fuel blocks correctly before turning that off? Day or two after.
Second what happens when double size is turned off?
I am just thinking that old fuel will be in bays until everyone sees fuel blocks are working. And many of us will be tempted to have a full load of fuel blocks onboard. In total more than a full normal fuel bay can hold.
Most of us do not want stuff lost or jetcanned when you turn off double size -- especially randomly or last placed inside. Nor do we want to worry about old fuel getting stuck nor fuel blocks in excess volume becoming inaccessible for POS consumption.
Ideally the "reduced to normal" fuel bay only balks at adding anything more until volume excess is removed. Hopefully every other fuel bay operation continues as normal until everyone is able to unload old fuel to reach normal fuel bay volumes. I tested it on Friday by filling a test starbase to capacity, halving the fuel bay size, and restarting the test server. This left it in a state where there was twice as much fuel in the bay as should be possible to add. It kept consuming fuel without any problems, it just didn't let me add any more stuff (on account of being full+).
Could fuel be removed in this over filled state?
Thanks for spending the time and doing what you could to help us pos users out. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:24:00 -
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Its more an issue of taking the other pos fuel components out that are no longer required. While pos users are going to top off the double hanger before down time on the 24th if possible to get the added run time, those that are short on isk will want to use the fuel in the bay as soon as possible to make blocks. Thanks again for a workable solution. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.12.14 11:26:00 -
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Deriah Book wrote:Salpun wrote:Its true its a mess hopefully by Tuesday with the patch windows will pin(works on Sisi), Bookmark fix will be tested and implemented not yet on Sisi but in work per a Dev, and POS fuel bays will be doubled in size to ease the pain.( entered into the development code but not yet on Sisi) has to be QAed first. So things are looking up. Maybe OK, how did/do you know this stuff? I've never really given the forums any thought until crucible came out. I'd rather spend my time playing Eve. But in the last two weeks I've been reading quite a bit here. From the patch notes for today and from the complete lack of information regarding said issues that I have been able to find on my own I would believe that CCP is perfectly happy with postage stamp windows spawning arbitrarily all over my desktop. I have found no mention of the bookmark feature either. I ask because I really, really love Eve. But this patch coming up in a few minutes may be my last...
While pinning worked again for one build it must have broke more fixes then it fixed so it got pulled again.
For where i find this info I read all dev posts and stay logged in to Sisi way to much. Devs answer questions some times.
What client are you using? With all problem reports if you do not include client everyone is trying to reproduce it blind. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.12.24 10:25:00 -
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Vaako Horizon wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Starbase structures begin consuming fuel blocks exclusively on January 24th. Hopefully this timeline will allow you to build up a sizable stock of blocks, without ruining your Christmas. IGÇÖm sure your family will appreciate you not bringing your laptop to the Christmas dinner to start production jobs. Please keep in mind that on the day of the switch, POSs will ONLY consume fuel blocks and all the old items will no longer keep the starbase going.
On a slightly related note, here is a quick piece of wildlife advice that could save you or a loved one: If bitten by a snake, avoid attempting to suck out the poison from the wound, like seen in movies. YouGÇÖll remove insignificant quantities of poison, while transferring bacteria to the wound and subjecting yourself to the risk of getting poisoned. Instead, call for help and arrange transport to the nearest hospital emergency room. Like with bears, the safest bet is staying away from poisonous snakes in the first place.
We might be able to sneak a few more changes in, but for now, this is the timeframe for fuel blocks. Enjoy.
Update from CCP Greyscale:
We got the TEMPORARY fuel bay size boost through all the relevant hoops and it's going out in the patch tomorrow.
This means that, until January 24th, your fuel bay sizes will be doubled, which should allow you to compensate for the unfortunate postponement of the fuel block switchover by just dumping another month's worth of fuel into your bay, without having to take out any blocks that you've already added. We are at this time planning to revert these changes and reduce bay sizes back to their current (ie, post-Crucible-boost, pre-tomorrow-boost) sizes on the 24th. "exclusively"... Am I to understand that blocks can be used by POS'es at the current date? ( as in can they run on both atm? ) They can be placed in but not consumed |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.01.19 03:55:00 -
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themaker1971 wrote:Perhaps I was not clear. Say the enlarged bay is 100m3 PRE the 24th and that bay will revert back to 50m3 on the 24th at DT. If I have lets say, 80m3 of fuel in it and the 24th DT rolls over, do I suddenly loose the 30m3 difference? No if you have it full you have double the ammount of days of fuel to use. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.01.19 04:19:00 -
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themaker1971 wrote:Salpun wrote:themaker1971 wrote:Perhaps I was not clear. Say the enlarged bay is 100m3 PRE the 24th and that bay will revert back to 50m3 on the 24th at DT. If I have lets say, 80m3 of fuel in it and the 24th DT rolls over, do I suddenly loose the 30m3 difference? No if you have it full you have double the ammount of days of fuel to use. Mmm, how can 80m3 of fuel fit into 50m3? magic |
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