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Col Callahan Caldari MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:05:00 - [1] OK I want the back ground on both alliances.....who in eve hates them, loves them or doesn't care about them. also, why did ASCN lose the war with Bob, or is there going to be some epic last stand that will save ASCN from total BOB annihilation. THIS IS WERE EVERY ONE GET'S THERE IMPUT Im lisening
DeadProphet Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:06:00 - [2] everybody hates us, and ASCN haven't lost the war (yet! :D)
darklegionca Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:08:00 - [3] ascn lost the war cuz they were not ready to take on a miltary style assault that bob dished out on to them making them lose there titan and there leader i am on the fence with both sides as i dont take sides so ya thats my imput ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
Himani Yeshua Caldari PezCo - Ice Services United Connection's	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:08:00 - [4] Yea, everyone pretty much hates BoB, but for reasons like, "OMG WE WENT TO WAR N THEY BLOBBED US NERF BOB!1!!" and other fun stuff like that. ---------------------------------------------- Disclaimers are stupid. Of Course your views represent those of your corporation.
Jason Marshall Infinite Innovations Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:09:00 - [5] Edited by: Jason Marshall on 14/12/2006 06:09:03 Originally by: DeadProphet everybody hates us, and ASCN haven't lost the war (yet! :D) Its not hate....its a distrust....loathing.....i dont have the word.... These views in no way represent my corp or alliance. Tacky lens flares in sigs 4tw!
BobFromMarketing Amarr The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:12:00 - [6] Most people hate BoB, as to why, most the reasons I see are just whiners. ASCN hasn't lost but our rigid command severely cripples us.
Zeknichov Amarr Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:14:00 - [7] I don't hate my alliance... >_> I mean.. I don't hate BoB.
Col Callahan Caldari MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:21:00 - [8] Right, that ansures one of my Q", what about were BoB came from?>> what make's them so powerfull. Is it capital might or just plan numbers?
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Jason Marshall Its not hate....its a distrust....loathing.....i dont have the word.... Let me supply you with the word since you seem unable bring yourself to utter it. Jealousy. [CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off.
Aramova Gallente Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:39:00 - [10] The history of how ASCN was formed is right Here -- Lag is kinda like CYVOK, it kills as many friendlies as hostiles...

MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:40:00 - [11] I think this battle still has along way to go, but in the end I see bob winning as they have the isk and the powerhouse behind them. -=====-
Frug Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:46:00 - [12] I think it's a lot of hate/jealousy/fear that people feel toward BoB. It's this one uber pvp alliance nobody can stop. From what I've seen nobody even comes close to stopping. So when you have that people are gonna have all kinda negative opinions. I like to root for the underdog, and BoB ain't no underdog, so it's hard to root for them. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - -
MoeStyles Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:09:00 - [13] Originally by: ProphetGuru Let me supply you with the word since you seem unable bring yourself to utter it. Jealousy. And probably a good deal of just plain old fear. --
Paladineguru Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:13:00 - [14] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Jason Marshall Its not hate....its a distrust....loathing.....i dont have the word.... Let me supply you with the word since you seem unable bring yourself to utter it. Jealousy. I dont hate BOB I love them They drop tech 2
Paladineguru Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:14:00 - [15] Edited by: Paladineguru on 14/12/2006 07:16:35 Edited by: Paladineguru on 14/12/2006 07:15:30 Originally by: Frug I think it's a lot of hate/jealousy/fear that people feel toward BoB. It's this one uber pvp alliance nobody can stop. From what I've seen nobody even comes close to stopping. So when you have that people are gonna have all kinda negative opinions. I like to root for the underdog, and BoB ain't no underdog, so it's hard to root for them. G one little letter one big history and dont forget Fix who also I believe held thier own and won bobs respect
Arlenik Emmanouelik	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:18:00 - [16] I dislike ASCN very much, eventhough in the beginning I wanted to join them. I believe in taxing, but ASCN taxes the crap out of its members just so the very few people at the top fulfill their own person enjoyment. They had a project to build a titan, but they were only risking to tell 3 of their members about the project. That tells me how much they trust one and other. And when its all said and done, they build the thing and name it CYVOK, the name of the CEO of the executor corporation. The very least you could do was to name it something that would relate to all the hard work your members put into the project, not your selfish head. I can't believe people still fall for that alliance and join them. Sad but true I guess. I only have one thing to say about BoB...RESPECT. I don't think people hate BoB, except those who lose their ships to them. Its just that they want to have what they have. Power, wealth, and alot of ASCN corpses.
Seran O'Car	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:19:00 - [17] Edited by: Seran O''Car on 14/12/2006 07:23:48 Can't sleep. Actually. It's more like this. BoB is so dominant in eve, their the groupe to beat. Everyone loves the underdog and hates the champion. But there you go. BoB have for two years now. Been very dominant, Ever since Blacklight, Molle and Galvajet hocked up in late 2004 they haven't looked back. And is quite rightly the groupe to beat. Ascn is more like the rich, large collective og diffrent sorts of carebears/hobbits who rather enjoy the finer things in life. Your regular art buff some might say. :D Their founded upon the ruins of xetic alliance. Very much like a the current ASCN alliance. Just whit more carebears. Ppl usually find their own reasons for hating each groupe. Personally I don't care either way. And many more should just quit this unconstructive I hate these ppl becus they presively do it in a way that I don't like. Just enjoy the game ppl. When you wake up tomorrow, all this will not matter at all once you start heading off to work. (I reserve the right to not include ppl who actually make a living off this game:p) Da-mn you lucky bastards. So stop taking events in here so personally. Now get into my bellie!!! I'm higher up the food-chain than you.!.
Raivi Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:20:00 - [18] This thread kinda seems like flame bait, but I'll be constructive. Most people with an interest in EVE care about ASCN and BOB, although many of us don't love or hate either one. It seems you hay be interested in the history of the alliances so you can get loads of info about BOB's history at RKK's Forum History Section and Blacklight's Blog
Kiyano	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:29:00 - [19] Most people hate BoB because they're ruthless and nastily efficent. They don't feel sympathy for you and will show you no quater. They will quite simply take what you have without thinking twice if you have something worth taking. Their communist structure and sheer momentum coupled with strong leaders and high levels of efficencly usually lets them take on forces when greatly outnumbered. See BoB (1700 members) vs ASCN (In excess of 5000 before the war, now 4000) People also hate BoB because so far nobody has been able to put them in their place... hence they're place is anywhere they want really.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:33:00 - [20] BoB isn't predictable and while the majority of what they do makes sense once you understand the mentality, sometimes you don't see it coming, and if you do...it's because they told you its coming. ASCN may yet try to pull out of this little ISK whirlpool, but they lost their leader right after their leader lost their Flagship, and that certainly won't be inspiring anyone to fight. It is my opinion that the reason ASCN and AXE were even invited to participate in the TRUST debacle was so BoB could get a close up look of the ASCN Capital Fleet. BoB didn't need ASCN or AXE help any more than ASCN needed BoB's help to put up outposts. BoB has no doubt been planning the invasion of ASCN for some time, and I'm sure they already have battle plans for every possible invasion scenario they might partake in. That is just good military strategy. Plan to conquer the world, even if you don't plan to. ~Thor Xian, Chief Administrator "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services

Beringe Caldari Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:46:00 - [21] I can honestly say that I don't like either entity very much. I'm fairly sure ASCN would be just as annoying as BOB if they were as powerful, too (they were showing very definite signs of this a few months back). And I never liked Evolution. Certain individuals, and individual corporations, in both alliances I respect, though. ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
James Pond	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Arlenik Emmanouelik I dislike ASCN very much, eventhough in the beginning I wanted to join them. I believe in taxing, but ASCN taxes the crap out of its members just so the very few people at the top fulfill their own person enjoyment. They had a project to build a titan, but they were only risking to tell 3 of their members about the project. That tells me how much they trust one and other. And when its all said and done, they build the thing and name it CYVOK, the name of the CEO of the executor corporation. The very least you could do was to name it something that would relate to all the hard work your members put into the project, not your selfish head. I can't believe people still fall for that alliance and join them. Sad but true I guess. I only have one thing to say about BoB...RESPECT. I don't think people hate BoB, except those who lose their ships to them. Its just that they want to have what they have. Power, wealth, and alot of ASCN corpses. i beleive ASCN taxes at stations is 10% how is that taxing the crap out of its members, other allainces have higher rates than that. The titan was kept secret so that the POS where it was being built would net get destroyed, its a well known fact that within ASCN there are alot of spies, the way the build of the titan was handled was probably the way most alliances would have done it, most of LV didnt know about there titan being built either. the titan was called steve actually, a name that was chosen by the members of the alliance. so in all fairness your post is a complete load of rubbish.
Seran O'Car	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Thor Xian BoB isn't predictable and while the majority of what they do makes sense once you understand the mentality, sometimes you don't see it coming, and if you do...it's because they told you its coming. WTH are you on about? You can read BoB as an open book. On the trust affair, trust clearly was making a bit to big of an impact on the capitol market, a market that clearly goes against BoB's own security. PA war, BoB hate them whit a passion. When they moved back up to Branch after the curse bit. You could just sence they where bored an was looking to settle old scores. (PA had been selfrightus on the forum some time before BoB took action) The entire Curse affair was drawing to a close. In the months before the ASCN bit they where severly bored. I personally thought they whould go after D2. But apparently they didn't bother the long haul. There where very few others around who could give them a challange. And that public Avatar didn't help things either. Every supricing action Molle have announced, you could have senced on the forum weeks prior. But then again. It's so much easier to be the general after the war isn't it? Ironically though. That once BoB went up against ASCN. Every alliance and corp in eve saw the timing just ripe and perfect to build their very own ms and titans. I forsee the beginning of the end of something great. You got to love BoB though. Molle and his posts on the forum just kicks that extra bit of life into the community. Keeps everyone just slightly on edge. :)
Carmizan	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:55:00 - [24] I do not hate BOB i have the upmost respect for them. They do not hide behind fancy words, they are what they say they are PVP'ers and they enjoy what they do. In my opinion they are the next M00 the only difference is moo took on ccp, BoB just do not care who they take on. And finaly about the war it was a for gone conculsion right from the start who was going to win the war and thats BoB as they will not stop until they win and theres the difference.
Wolfmoon	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:22:00 - [25] I actually like BoB. No, I'm not in any alliance with them, and I'm not even sure why I do, I just do. I hope they wipe the floor with all 0.0, hell, even lowsec alliances and completely win Eve. GO BoB!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:25:00 - [26] I think its very cool that the game has legend corps like BoB. You simply dont have that in other games, because in other games, your actions doesnt leave a mark in the universe. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:28:00 - [27] Originally by: Col Short Quote: See BoB (1700 members) vs ASCN (In excess of 5000 before the war, now 4000) OK, ASCN, If these F##King numbers are right, get every man woman and child into a ship with a gun and send them to bob in 100 ship waves.....take it to them wile you still can, some one stand up and see if your going to lose defending then take the fight to them. you have the numbers. come on, FIGHT This is what’s wrong with almost every other alliance in the game, many thousands of members, but no collective will to fight. I have much respect for BoB, because they are the model of what every other alliance should be, and wants to be, but can’t achieve... in fact they can’t even recognise how to take the first steps to achieve it. IMHO One reason for BoB’s success is in there name. Band Of Brothers says a lot about how they view themselves as a whole, take a look at the alliance page: Band of Brothers - BOB consists of 6 member corporations, 1710 pilots. Ascendant Frontier - ASCN consists of 25 member corporations, 4289 pilots. 1710 members over 6 corps > 4000+ over 25 corps. Unit Cohesion. In every alliance I’ve been in or had dealings with so far there is maybe 1 in 10 at best people who actually feel some allegiance and loyalty to the alliance, in BoB your corp IS the alliance as much as the corp next to you, extend that down to the individual pilots, add a thirst for PvP, good leadership and lots of SP, and excellent communication that a small number of corps naturally provides, and there you go – I highly doubt many alliances in Eve can say the same, and that’s why most of them suck. If you’ll excuse me now I have to go to the forum settings and switch off my alliance tag until this thread drops. -
Voodoosuicide	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:34:00 - [28] give bob the whole of 0.0. that'll be fun right?
Voodoosuicide	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:36:00 - [29] i bow to the 3 time tourney winners and all the cheese that goes with it.
Elgar Lightfoot Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:36:00 - [30] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Jason Marshall Its not hate....its a distrust....loathing.....i dont have the word.... Let me supply you with the word since you seem unable bring yourself to utter it. Jealousy. That there is a lot of why bob draws so much hate. It's the better than thou attitude of many posters :(. Sure bob may be a very powerfull and effective alliance. Rubbing peoples noses in it only draws hate.

Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:39:00 - [31] Originally by: Arlenik Emmanouelik And, the titan was indeed named CYVOK, here is the official player news. You are certainly wrong on this one. Or rather, the news are wrong. The default ship name is [<assemblers name>'s <ship name>]. So it was initially named CYVOK's Avatar only because CYVOK was the one who assembled it in the hangar. I it was renamed "Steve" shortly afterwards. Originally by: Diana Marc Notice that BoB is agreeing with RA's concern. That's like Elrond and Sauron agreeing to reduce carbon emissions.
Voodoosuicide	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:40:00 - [32] the drama is becoming of the standard populace, wwjd? HAHA
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:42:00 - [33] Just to set the record straight: ASCN has indeed 4000 characters, but certainly nowhere near 4000 members. Personally I have about 10 characters in ASCN, but the average will be 2-3 at least, so I'd say about 1500 members max. Maybe just 1000. Note that this goes for many alliances, so ASCN will probably still be the biggest alliance in game in terms of players, but most alliances are probably significantly smaller than their raw numbers indicate. Second, the Titans name is Steve. Not CYVOK. Maybe it was called CYVOK the first days, before the final name was decided, but it has been Steve for the majority of its lifespan.
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:46:00 - [34] Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Jason Marshall Its not hate....its a distrust....loathing.....i dont have the word.... Let me supply you with the word since you seem unable bring yourself to utter it. Jealousy. That there is a lot of why bob draws so much hate. It's the better than thou attitude of many posters :(. Sure bob may be a very powerfull and effective alliance. Rubbing peoples noses in it only draws hate. I agree that many BoB members end up with a "holier then thou" attitude on the forums. This is unfortunate, but it is a natural side effect of the ridiculous ** BoB member have to tolerate on the forums regularly. We are constantly accused of using lame tactics to outright cheating to achieve our goals, and this actually really bothers some of us. Part of the annoyance is the disagreement over tactics, such as the use of spies. But being accused of outright cheating is something that really grinds at you, especially when you spend alot of time and effort to achieve your victories legitimately. Really, BoB members get sick of hearing people talk ** about us because they don't understand our methods or are jealous that they can't replicate them. This creates a rather strong "them against us" mentality that ends up showing through in many posts. You will notice that BoB members tend to respond very well to respectful posts. We won't hesitate to recognize and compliment an opponent's efforts, especially if they win. But don't expect respect if all we hear in local is insults about "cs kiddies" and talk of petitions and accusations of cheatins or GM involvement or generaly lamery. Nemo me impune lacessit
Voodoosuicide	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:48:00 - [35] u mega corp kids keep it real
Elgar Lightfoot Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:50:00 - [36] I understand where it comes from. Much of it is the PVP attitudes. Smack talk does seem to be a big part of that culture (never been involved in it myself), but if bob were to focus on their image, then it should be an attempt at curbing the bob minions tounges on the forums. I think bob needs to hire an image consultant :).
Noriath	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:50:00 - [37] People who say that ASCN should be hated because they have high taxes are funny. From what I understand you're pretty much not even allowed to be in BoB unless you work for the alliance full time without doing anything just for yourself. ASCN is mostly a large number of people who work together to create infrastructure and secureity for themselves under the direction of a few top people, in order to be able to persue their own interestes in 0.0. ASCN is essentially a nation in 0.0, everyone does their own thing and is allowed to, but helps the alliance to make that possible by creating the nescesary infrastructure and helping out to defend the alliances territory. BoB just wants to take over the universe, and probaply will because nobody has the balls to fight them untill they come knocking...
Greylaw Amarr Ruined Inc. Amen Anera	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:54:00 - [38] Who do I like most. I need to think long and hard about that one. [bribes payable to Greylaw]
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:54:00 - [39] some BOB members pay 500m a month to be able to NPC and industry to support that alliacne the profits are potentially much much more These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Voodoosuicide	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:58:00 - [40] :..( virtually stfu about the drama my lil cuties

BurnHard	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:04:00 - [41] Definitely the hobbitses, although I'm sure they won't/can't win. Bob seem to be a bit too arrogant and I like to support the underdog.
Exogene	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:05:00 - [42] Originally by: Col Short Quote: See BoB (1700 members) vs ASCN (In excess of 5000 before the war, now 4000) OK, ASCN, If these F##King numbers are right, get every man woman and child into a ship with a gun and send them to bob in 100 ship waves.....take it to them wile you still can, some one stand up and see if your going to lose defending then take the fight to them. you have the numbers. come on, FIGHT You should note that you are telling this to a bunch of carebears/opportunists (well mostly)
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:09:00 - [43] BoB is very good at what they do, but people will never show proper respect for them. Guess its human nature to never admit someone is better than you are at your own game. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Greylaw Amarr Ruined Inc. Amen Anera	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:23:00 - [44] Originally by: Jim McGregor BoB is very good at what they do, but people will never show proper respect for them. Guess its human nature to never admit someone is better than you are at your own game. Well, lets be fair here. BoB are openly militant and 'want to take over the universe.' Anyone that likes a big freaking steamroller slowly heading towards their hand built house probably has something slightly wrong with the old cog wheels upstairs. The BoB State is something everyone should fight and playfuly hate simply beause sooner or later - it'll be your space next. As for hating BoB players or not respecting them - this is something very different. Personaly I respect the BoB State's achievements, and haven't spoken to a BoB I didn't like, but that doesn't mean I like BoB. BoB have a vision of a new universe, and in that Universe anything other than BoB will be target practice. BoB might even be helping your corp at the moment, but if they are - chances are it's in their current interests.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:24:00 - [45] Originally by: Exogene Originally by: Col Short Quote: See BoB (1700 members) vs ASCN (In excess of 5000 before the war, now 4000) OK, ASCN, If these F##King numbers are right, get every man woman and child into a ship with a gun and send them to bob in 100 ship waves.....take it to them wile you still can, some one stand up and see if your going to lose defending then take the fight to them. you have the numbers. come on, FIGHT You should note that you are telling this to a bunch of carebears/opportunists (well mostly) If you apply the same standards to BoB, I think the most BoB I've ever seen together is about 150, also less than 10% of the number of people in the alliance. Like I said before, all alliances are alt-heavy, add to that TZ issues and participation is not all that low. Probably lower for ASCN than for BoB, but still not that low.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:26:00 - [46] Originally by: Greylaw Originally by: Jim McGregor BoB is very good at what they do, but people will never show proper respect for them. Guess its human nature to never admit someone is better than you are at your own game. Well, lets be fair here. BoB are openly militant and 'want to take over the universe.' Anyone that likes a big freaking steamroller slowly heading towards their hand built house probably has something slightly wrong with the old cog wheels upstairs. The BoB State is something everyone should fight and playfuly hate simply beause sooner or later - it'll be your space next. As for hating BoB players or not respecting them - this is something very different. Personaly I respect the BoB State's achievements, and haven't spoken to a BoB I didn't like, but that doesn't mean I like BoB. BoB have a vision of a new universe, and in that Universe anything other than BoB will be target practice. BoB might even be helping your corp at the moment, but if they are - chances are it's in their current interests. I agree. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Nicholai Pestot Gallente Havoc Inc	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:48:00 - [47] Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 14/12/2006 09:49:42 I respect BOB, but to steal a most excellent phrase from a poster before me, i playfully hate them in-game . One of the proudest moments for my corp was when we executed a flawless attack using pre-kali probes and were accused of being BoB alts ASCN is just 'meh'. Don't like, dislike or care. ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete
Fubarski	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:50:00 - [48] Originally by: Sochin I agree that many BoB members end up with a "holier then thou" attitude on the forums. This is unfortunate, but it is a natural side effect of the ridiculous **** BoB member have to tolerate on the forums regularly. We are constantly accused of using lame tactics to outright cheating to achieve our goals, and this actually really bothers some of us. Here's a few steps to get yourself started if you want a flame retardant suit. It's straight out of the book for about half of the "end game" raiding guilds. (And yes, Eve is an MMO. You're effectively a raiding guild. Different, but the same.) 1. You have the chance to inspire, or disgust people. Realize this, and realize that your actions out of game are equally as important as in the game. For your motivations, and goals in game, all you have to worry about is in game. But if you're concerned with reactions out of game... (here) then it is important. 2. Stop metagaming. If you infiltrate a spy into another corp, draw a line in the sand between what you will, and will not use against your enemies. This goes for Teamspeak as well. I.E. if you so much as stated flat out your internal rules on metagaming, most people would accept it. Metagaming lends a stain on your accomplishments, which are many, and I'm sure many of those do not involve it. But things would look a lot different if you set the mark for things like this. 3. Don't debase your image by smacking, or warranting a response to retarded allegations. Don't claim you're better than people, your actions speak much louder than the words, and garner much more respect than being arrogant and claiming it. 4. Poking fun at others loss, when not in "RP" mode... stinks. While this is the internets, and peoples reactions may be a bit muted... honestly, do you think the public would be behind a figure who, after rolling through a population center with cluster bombs... got on the news and said "Stop whining... hahaha... pwnt!" I have a ton of respect for what Reikoku, and subsequently, what BoB has accomplished in the game. Your actions outside the game itself are, in my opinion, what causes you the most discomfort. If you want to squash the flames, nothing works better than other people leaping to your defense. So yeah, props to a great job, but boo, and hiss on how you act about it. Fubar ski
Lunadi Minmatar Solar Trade	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:52:00 - [49] With regards to Bob vs Ascn it's obviously 'teamplay' that wins over 'selfishness' (there is probably a lot of teamplay in Ascn too, but just not enough). However I wonder if Bob has the potential to expand further... -------- hate my spelling? go play SCRABBLE!
Xenofur Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:53:00 - [50] One of the reasons they are disliked is because they choose their targets like a bunch of jealous children. "Ooooh, capital shipyards... SMASH!!!" "Ooooh, mothership... SMASH!!!" "Ooooh, titan... SMASH!!!"

Queen Hades	Posted - 2006.12.14 10:03:00 - [51] I like the epic war between this big alliances, it is a great addition to the game. @BoB and ASCN Thanks.
Zeonos Amarr venus divine brotherhood Dark Forces Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 10:10:00 - [52] Originally by: Jim McGregor I think its very cool that the game has legend corps like BoB. You simply dont have that in other games, because in other games, your actions doesnt leave a mark in the universe. if i name "The Axemen" 95% of the wow "eu" players know who they are, even if they arent on their server.
Rina Shanu Computer-Aided General Exploitation	Posted - 2006.12.14 10:23:00 - [53] Originally by: DeadProphet everybody hates us, and ASCN haven't lost the war (yet! :D) People do not hate BoB, people hate BoB's mouth.***y sais anything ? Other than that, people respect BoB for what it is: a great milliatry power with thick supply lines. No, ASCN have not lost the war yet, they had a lot of power but used it in the wrong ways. And there is a catch to it, the BoB war machine used to a deal quick death encountered an army of bodies. Some of which turns out are refusing to die and keep coming back. Perhaps Virtuozzo, the new executor of ASCN will use that dedication wisely. This is good to be placed here btw, becasue the "proper" forum place for it does not allow imput from a lot of people, like new guys in the npc corps that are curious about the big event in their world also and people switching corps. I just hope alts and smacktards will stay away.... JOIN CAGE**
Col Callahan Caldari MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.14 10:25:00 - [54] Edited by: Col Callahan on 14/12/2006 10:27:33 Originally by: Xenofur One of the reasons they are disliked is because they choose their targets like a bunch of jealous children. "Ooooh, capital shipyards... SMASH!!!" "Ooooh, mothership... SMASH!!!" "Ooooh, titan... SMASH!!!" ROFL, its true Isn't it, I dono first hand, but funny. As for my last post, I am trying to say to all alliances, after bob is done playing with ASCN, whoÆs next?> I DON"T WANT TO SEE ONE MORE ALLINCE FALL TO BOB. bob can't attack every one in eve at the same time and hope to win. they are systematically picking off the ones they see as power players to make money and leavening lowers to become big so they can pick then off in due time, bob is playing at the art of farming alliances, and no one can stop them, but if together we stand we can wipe this pelage from eve, but united we must be if we want to do the Imposable I feel with 3 alliances to join tighter into a tri-alliance with the sole purpose to declare an end to BoB. If that were to happen, bob would fight to the death and there would be missive losses on both sides, but in the end BoB would be back in empire and no longer a constant threat to all 0.0. I speak strate from the heart, and I hope I can reach your's to rise up and FIGHT
Sovereign533 Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.14 10:49:00 - [55] =) hostile to BoB... but i <3 them... LOL (no seriously)... BoB always bring a good fight =)... fought them... won a few battles... and then pulled out because our goal was to ** up FIX... ah, how i love the 9CG days... back in SA ^_^ note : this is my personal view and doesn't reflect my corp or my alliance views... Originally by:** Sovereign533 Time will tell, sooner or later, time will tell... Second sig removed, only 1 signature graphic please - Xorus ^_^WOOHOO!!! my Sig finally got nerfed... And now its been sigjacked, yarrrr!!! - Petwraith
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 10:56:00 - [56] If we ever lost control we'd simply regroup, wait for a short bit, hatch some more evil plans and come hit whoever it was that attacked us in their own space, one by one, untill none of them were left. You can't win Eve wars with numbers, ships, materials or even with smack. You win them with persistence. And man, our persistance is WAY bigger then yours . Old blog
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.14 10:57:00 - [57] I see BoB as the Manchester United of EVE, people hate them because they are successful. When I first joined EVE I heard a lot about how BoB was EVE in easy mode and anyone aligned to BoB were just their stooges. Not being one to follow the herd I've nothing against BoB, they've obviously worked hard to achieve what they have and if no one can stand up to them then hows that their fault? Yes, my Corp is aligned to BoB but that's incidental to me as I joined D-F-C because 2 good friends from my SWG days were here (turns out D-F-C is a top Corp with quality people) and BoB were my enemies for some 5 months when I lived in Omist but I still didn't have an irrational hatred for them. I see ASCN as the Arsenal of EVE, a good side but man do they ***** and whinge when things don't go their way (ArsFne Wenger anyone?). Take, for example, the loss of their station system last week. So it looks like BoB used spies to take down some pos but that's one of the great things about EVE and CCP over any other mmo I've played. We're treated more like adults and what's considered griefing in others, is a valid tactic in EVE. Then there's the Titan loss. Nuff said me thinks. I don't support Man U but I admire them for what they've achieved. I hate Arsenal because they whinge and moan and it's never their fault but there's no denying they're a good side. regards _______________________________
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:06:00 - [58] Everyone hates something more powerful than themselves, except in the case of sycophants. It's the natural order of things, a power so great that it can and will act unilaterally without restraints cannot and should not be trusted. What cannot be trusted is feared, what is feared is also hated and in the end the path leads to the 'Darkness' Colonel Cyvok spoke of before he headed for the jungle. Ourselves Alone
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:08:00 - [59] I honestly don't care about either of them really... Only thing I can say is forum wise, many BOB members are smug, very arrogant... No ACSN members stick out in my mind as being that way, they seem pretty cool. However I don't use the corp & alliance forums, so maybe that's where the a'hole ACSN members are, who knows... In game, I could care less... Newest toy for my 63 acre sandbox Building the homestead
Exogene	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:10:00 - [60] Funny how some people interpret the forums as being out-of game.

Col Callahan Caldari MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:13:00 - [61] Look, Im not saying in any way, shape, or from that I hate BoB. What I am saying is I would not / do not want to live in an eve were I have to fear them, and I'm shure that no one in eve want's to live in constant fear from a bob attack, who would. This is why I post what I post.
Syrec Gallente Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:14:00 - [62] Originally by: Col Callahan what about were BoB came from? I heard BoB was forged in the volcanos of Mordor. I could be wrong but that info came from a pretty reliable source.
CallMe 8675309 Gallente Truth In Advertising	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:16:00 - [63] People don't hate BoB because they are jealous. People hate BoB because they are the quintessential elitist MMO nerds who think that they're the best and that everybody else in the game isn't fit to lick their boots. They're the high-end raiding guild from WoW that won't touch anybody who doesn't play for hours every day and likes to talk about how many purples they have all day long. They're internet nerds that are so full of their own pompous db preacher and sirmolle posts about PENDULUMS and THE IMPORTANT METAPHOR and OMNIPOTENCE ITSELF that everybody else wishes they'd fall into an open sewer just so they'd be taken down a notch. It's like they're a walking Napoleonic small-man complex manifested in an MMO guild that has to rub in everybody's face why they're so awesome and everybody else sucks or else they'd lose their identity in the world. So in summary, people dislike BoB not because they are jealous, but because BoB are essentially attention starved adolescents who annoy everybody else without realizing it and then proceed to blame that annoyance on everybody else being jealous.
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:17:00 - [64] Edited by: DarkMatter on 14/12/2006 11:18:56 Originally by: Exogene Funny how some people interpret the forums as being out-of game. I view General Discussion Forum as out of game yes... As it's mostly individual players discussing the game mechanics, etc. Not the political crap you get in the corp & alliance forums... To me, the forums & game are two different worlds... On the forums, all that matters are your words, in the game all that matters are your actions... Newest toy for my 63 acre sandbox Building the homestead
Al Haquis Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:19:00 - [65] Originally by: Miss Overlord some BOB members pay 500m a month to be able to NPC and industry to support that alliacne the profits are potentially much much more To the Good people out there, Every corp in Bob takes care of it¦s own logistics and fund raising ways. It differs from corp to corp , some are through and through commie corps , others depend on taxes and dues. So there is no model how the corps in BOB work and if some one tells you otherwise he is telling fiddles. With Love from Al Haquis.
B0rn2KiLL MicroFunks	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:20:00 - [66] i like BoB personally. ASCN got this goodie tag assigned to them, when they're clearly as "bad" as bob really. hypocrites. BoB are straight forward, despite thier scheming, plotting and forum propaganda i feel that bob gives a better sense, i'd call it, they fill agap that i feel neccesiry in eve's social strucutre, the availability of an 'evil entity', they dont kid around, they tell it to your face "we're dip***s, yeah, come and do something about it punk" and i appreciate that honesty. so, meh, go BoB! --- new sig, Hijack it and ill eat u. Imaran hands B0rn2KiLL a fork - Come get some!11
Syrec Gallente Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:22:00 - [67] Originally by: DarkMatter To me, the forums & game are two different worlds... what is it really when they're falling over, everything that you thought was denied i'm gonna be the one that's takin over, now this is what it's like when worlds collide
Al Haquis Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:30:00 - [68] Originally by: CallMe 8675309 People don't hate BoB because they are jealous. People hate BoB because they are the quintessential elitist MMO nerds who think that they're the best and that everybody else in the game isn't fit to lick their boots. They're the high-end raiding guild from WoW that won't touch anybody who doesn't play for hours every day and likes to talk about how many purples they have all day long. They're internet nerds that are so full of their own pompous db preacher and sirmolle posts about PENDULUMS and THE IMPORTANT METAPHOR and OMNIPOTENCE ITSELF that everybody else wishes they'd fall into an open sewer just so they'd be taken down a notch. It's like they're a walking Napoleonic small-man complex manifested in an MMO guild that has to rub in everybody's face why they're so awesome and everybody else sucks or else they'd lose their identity in the world. So in summary, people dislike BoB not because they are jealous, but because BoB are essentially attention starved adolescents who annoy everybody else without realizing it and then proceed to blame that annoyance on everybody else being jealous. Emote gives CallMe 86753089 a kiss and a hug. May god walk side by side with you Son. Btw bobbits dont flame this good sir, thats what he wants. To the other good people that are reading. Some one makes a silly post like this there is only one thing going to happen : "HERE COMES THE BOB FORUM BRIGADE" "SMAK SMAK SMAK". And honestly do you blame them? With love from Al Haquis
Sovereign533 Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:33:00 - [69] Edited by: Sovereign533 on 14/12/2006 11:34:32 Edited by: Sovereign533 on 14/12/2006 11:33:55 Originally by: CallMe 8675309 People don't hate BoB because they are jealous. People hate BoB because they are the quintessential elitist MMO nerds who think that they're the best and that everybody else in the game isn't fit to lick their boots. They're the high-end raiding guild from WoW that won't touch anybody who doesn't play for hours every day and likes to talk about how many purples they have all day long. They're internet nerds that are so full of their own pompous db preacher and sirmolle posts about PENDULUMS and THE IMPORTANT METAPHOR and OMNIPOTENCE ITSELF that everybody else wishes they'd fall into an open sewer just so they'd be taken down a notch. It's like they're a walking Napoleonic small-man complex manifested in an MMO guild that has to rub in everybody's face why they're so awesome and everybody else sucks or else they'd lose their identity in the world. So in summary, people dislike BoB not because they are jealous, but because BoB are essentially attention starved adolescents who annoy everybody else without realizing it and then proceed to blame that annoyance on everybody else being jealous. someone needs a cookie... EDIT : forgot the "this is my personal view and does not reclect my corp or alliance"-crap Originally by: Sovereign533 Time will tell, sooner or later, time will tell... Second sig removed, only 1 signature graphic please - Xorus ^_^WOOHOO!!! my Sig finally got nerfed... And now its been sigjacked, yarrrr!!! - Petwraith
franny Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:40:00 - [70] Originally by: CallMe 8675309 stuff hugs I can't speak towards all of them, but I know a few people in BoB who are actually funny as hell and nice people flown pvp and mining ops besides one or two before they converted to the dark side I was nice, can I rent a refining station in Feythwhatever cheap? CEO - PKKP Recruitment

CallMe 8675309 Gallente Truth In Advertising	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:48:00 - [71] Of course, even WoW guilds full of complete **ers sometimes had OK people in them. That doesn't make the guild any less of a complete **er guild however. Also countdown to a BoB person condescendingly telling me that I'm stupid or jealous and that's why I posted this, rather than arguing with the substance of the post!
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:52:00 - [72] It's interesting that this should pop up in the General Discussion section rather than CAOD, I think it'll probably get moved which will be a shame because it's nice to see people who don't normally comment in CAOD threads having their say about what is at the moment the epic alliance war in Eve. Good sources for information about BoB's beggining, background and history were already linked in the first page but I'll link them again for the curious.. RKK's History My Blog Fitz's Blog (he doesn't update it much but there's a couple of good entries about where Evolution came from which are good background and two funny blogs about RKK and BNC) The thing about alliance wars is that they're usually conducted on a few different levels and the associated amount of passion, emotion and vitriol that goes with them scales according to the level. If it's just roadtrips/skirmishing then things are generally relatively cordial with a bit of smack here and there. If it's a prolonged war with a lot of large battles but no real threat to territory then it gets a bit more heated but the fallout will die down quickly and there's often genuine respect If it's all out war for your alliances existance and territory then the associated emotions escalate to match the ferocity of the fighting and at least on the surface it can appear quite unpleasant. The ASCN and BoB war is, in my opinion, so polarising and has so much emotion attached to it because for the 6000 accounts (probably 1500-2000 real people) involved it's potentially an extinction level event for their alliance, real do or die stuff. I would expect it's very entertaining for the neutral observer, which is surely a good thing as it's player driven content at it's most intense and involving. With luck this war (and the fact that the south east of the map is generally a raging warzone at the moment) is having an effect in empire and across the map as well in terms of the availability of ships, modules, minerals, resources, tech II ship prices etc. Perhaps only a percent or two, perhaps more in certain areas and for specific items but none the less because Eve is such a complex beast with a dynamic player driven economy large scale wars like this can have an impact. Great stuff in an MMO to be honest! As for BoB and what we do, well you can read about that in lots of different places (including those I've listed) so I'm not going to go over it all again. I'm also not going to start telling you about all the fathers, mothers, nobel laureatte's, doctors etc. in the alliance and how we're not all 14 year old quake kiddies sat in our basements like our amusing friend posted above, you're a mature and sensible community that doesn't need that kind of stuff explaining to you (with one or two exceptions of course). I will agree with one fundamental point someone made a few posts back, in an environment where there is true player driven content in an MMO like this not everyone can be the Knight in Shining Armour, the Sir Galahad, because then there'd be no-one to compete with and competition is the source of content in Eve. So when we're all done flinging rocks at each other and calling each other motherless sons of witches in the CAOD forum, take a second to remember that Eve would be a lot duller place without it's proverbial dragon to go and fight P.S. We're better than you Hehe. Blog
Al Haquis Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:54:00 - [73] Originally by: CallMe 8675309 Of course, even WoW guilds full of complete **ers sometimes had OK people in them. That doesn't make the guild any less of a complete **er guild however. Also countdown to a BoB person condescendingly telling me that I'm stupid or jealous and that's why I posted this, rather than arguing with the substance of the post! So basicly your addmiting that you want some of my alliance brothers to come here and start the flaming. So you can point out how clever you are to your friends. "i managed to get a Bober to flame me , Look at me , look at me." Well im looking, so whats your point? With love from Al Haquis. And son i still bear love in my heart towards you.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:57:00 - [74] Originally by: Al Haquis Originally by: CallMe 8675309 Of course, even WoW guilds full of complete **ers sometimes had OK people in them. That doesn't make the guild any less of a complete **er guild however. Also countdown to a BoB person condescendingly telling me that I'm stupid or jealous and that's why I posted this, rather than arguing with the substance of the post! So basicly your addmiting that you want some of my alliance brothers to come here and start the flaming. So you can point out how clever you are to your friends. "i managed to get a Bober to flame me , Look at me , look at me." Well im looking, so whats your point? With love from Al Haquis. And son i still bear love in my heart towards you. Ignoring > Replying in this case I think Al. Blog
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 12:00:00 - [75] I don't think THAT many people actually hate BoB so much. The thing is, people are well aware of how powerful BoB are when it comes to PvP, and most people don't rate their chances when it comes to a war with them. So when wars like this one (ASCN v BoB) happen, its a good opportunity for people to vent their spleens and start rooting for the other guy. Other peeople go the other root of sucking up to them in the hope that this will get them friendship beans. In other words, its all politics. And that, when spread liberally over the forums, comes accross as so much vicious hateful whining. -----------------------------------------------
Gus Morgan	Posted - 2006.12.14 12:01:00 - [76] I saw the video of when BoB was killing off ASCNs titan and the current leader was yelling and swearing at its members like they were his B****es or slaves. I understand the need of control in such situations but listening to some idiotic kid with his head stuck up his ass over teamspeak everytime you log on doesn't seem like much fun to me. And I still believe EvE is about fun.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 12:07:00 - [77] Originally by: Gus Morgan I saw the video of when BoB was killing off ASCNs titan and the current leader was yelling and swearing at its members like they were his B****es or slaves. I understand the need of control in such situations but listening to some idiotic kid with his head stuck up his ass over teamspeak everytime you log on doesn't seem like much fun to me. And I still believe EvE is about fun. Hehe, that was a particularly funny soundbite and you're right it doesn't sound great. Take the time to chat to a BoB member some time though and I think you'd discover that they have a lot of fun and don't 'normally' get bawled out on TS for yattering on too much. lol, it's a good point to bring up though, because it did sound a bit like you described it Blog
El Torrent Gallente Paxton Industries	Posted - 2006.12.14 12:08:00 - [78] I love ASCN, they are doing what this game is about (Building an Empire) BoB... well, they destroy Empires, I can't really say I like them or hate them. They are good in what they do though. -- Paxton Industries Recruiting.
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2006.12.14 12:10:00 - [79] Edited by: DarkMatter on 14/12/2006 12:11:14 Quote: P.S. We're better than you Yep, there it is! The arrogance I spoke of... Kind of why eveyone hates the country I live in, same kind of deal... Newest toy for my 63 acre sandbox Building the homestead
Iva Soreass Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 12:12:00 - [80] blah blah blah fanboi this fanboi that, who gives a **** to be fukin honest.

Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 12:12:00 - [81] Originally by: El Torrent I love ASCN, they are doing what this game is about (Building an Empire) BoB... well, they destroy Empires, I can't really say I like them or hate them. They are good in what they do though. Obviously I'm getting drawn into this thread now, which means I should shut up and go do something other than whoruming but anyway.... This is a common misconception about ASCN being builders and BoB not, ASCN have built 14 outposts BoB have (so far but with 1/3 of ASCN's player numbers) built 9. We're building an empire just as much as ASCN ever were, we just have a slightly different approach to doing so and yes of course we expand by conquest. I think the differences are more than just semantics. Blog
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 12:18:00 - [82] Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 14/12/2006 12:11:14 Quote: P.S. We're better than you Yep, there it is! The arrogance I spoke of... Kind of why eveyone hates the country I live in, same kind of deal... That was an ironic joke in the context of this thread btw, humour and all that, being able to laugh at yourself etc. Blog
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.14 12:20:00 - [83] Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 14/12/2006 12:11:14 Quote: P.S. We're better than you Yep, there it is! The arrogance I spoke of... Kind of why eveyone hates the country I live in, same kind of deal... Talk about selective quoting. On my screen he has the after that which changes the meaning completely. You must be a journalist for The Sun or The Daily Mail. _______________________________
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2006.12.14 12:22:00 - [84] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 14/12/2006 12:11:14 Quote: P.S. We're better than you Yep, there it is! The arrogance I spoke of... Kind of why eveyone hates the country I live in, same kind of deal... That was an ironic joke in the context of this thread btw, humour and all that, being able to laugh at yourself etc. True, but you certainly know many ppl hate Bob for that exact reason... When you're the best at anything in life (best country, best team in a sport, best physicist, etc) many of those who are not the best harbor ill will, and usually the best develop a superiority complex that just fuels the hatred from others... Human nature at it's best? Or worst? Newest toy for my 63 acre sandbox Building the homestead
Sexy Schoolgirl	Posted - 2006.12.14 13:35:00 - [85] I knew a Bob once, and he was a jackass.
Cpt Sykes Caldari Rest in Pieces	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:08:00 - [86] Originally by: Elliot Reid I see BoB as the Manchester United of EVE, people hate them because they are successful. lmao you manc :P, Im a Liverpool supporter, and I admit, Liverpool had thier prime & are currently making a come back slowly but surely. Manchester United were in thier prime, until this whole deal with Chelsea... So as a Liverpool supporter, I have to admit BoB is the Chelsea of EVE. Originally by: mazzilliu i'll reprocess ten warp core stabilizers in your honor
Lucius Ventrue Minmatar Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:12:00 - [87] Originally by: Miss Overlord BOB will continue to go after ASCN until RAGOON get strong enough to swat again the big ? in all of this is D2 and friends and LV. The north could become an issue with bob if RONIN and d2 team up to take RISE out Thats an interesting prevarication 54Kills - 10Loss
Pan Lo	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:16:00 - [88] I love everyone who buys my stuff. Alliance affiliations are irrelevant. If SirMolle came into my sytem and bought heat sink for my exorbitant price and then called me an insignificant worm, I would say yes SirMolle, I love you.
Tasuric Orka Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:18:00 - [89] Edited by: Tasuric Orka on 14/12/2006 14:18:57 I dont hate BOB or ASCN, though i do think BOB has a sort of "cool and evil" aura surrounding them, kinda like "the empire" from star wars, unstoppable in a straight conflict. I'm not scared of them, as long as there are free alliances there is hope they can stop the BOB warmachine, might people be stupid enough to let BOB take all of 0.0, BOB will eventually break itself... and even if they dont, "rebel scum" alliances will remain. Originally by: Deja Thoris The dead horse has now been flogged into puree.
Bill Shankly	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:18:00 - [90] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Jason Marshall Its not hate....its a distrust....loathing.....i dont have the word.... Let me supply you with the word since you seem unable bring yourself to utter it. Jealousy. lol u wish more like homophobia.

Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:25:00 - [91] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Jason Marshall Its not hate....its a distrust....loathing.....i dont have the word.... Let me supply you with the word since you seem unable bring yourself to utter it. Jealousy. Or disgust, maybe ? ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Sonieli State War Academy	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:25:00 - [92] Originally by: Cpt Sykes Originally by: Elliot Reid I see BoB as the Manchester United of EVE, people hate them because they are successful. lmao you manc :P, Im a Liverpool supporter, and I admit, Liverpool had thier prime & are currently making a come back slowly but surely. Manchester United were in thier prime, until this whole deal with Chelsea... So as a Liverpool supporter, I have to admit BoB is the Chelsea of EVE. It all makes sense now, Sirmolle is really a former russian oil baron and bought off CCP devs & GMS to give BoB favouritism and use the mysterious and magical "Crash Node" button. He also used his mass wealth to sign many of the servers top pvpers to his cause. Perhaps the server needs a salary cap to keep Molle's spending in check and promote fairer alliance wars.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:26:00 - [93] Originally by: CallMe 8675309 People don't hate BoB because they are jealous. People hate BoB because they are the quintessential elitist MMO nerds who think that they're the best and that everybody else in the game isn't fit to lick their boots. They're the high-end raiding guild from WoW that won't touch anybody who doesn't play for hours every day and likes to talk about how many purples they have all day long. They're internet nerds that are so full of their own pompous db preacher and sirmolle posts about PENDULUMS and THE IMPORTANT METAPHOR and OMNIPOTENCE ITSELF that everybody else wishes they'd fall into an open sewer just so they'd be taken down a notch. It's like they're a walking Napoleonic small-man complex manifested in an MMO guild that has to rub in everybody's face why they're so awesome and everybody else sucks or else they'd lose their identity in the world. So in summary, people dislike BoB not because they are jealous, but because BoB are essentially attention starved adolescents who annoy everybody else without realizing it and then proceed to blame that annoyance on everybody else being jealous. Lol, extremely funny. Yes, BoB is acting just like every extremely arrogant WoW raiding guild, and I know it because I've been in just such a guild and I've seen enough of BoB to see the similarities. Main differences of course are that some guilds are smart enough not to talk too much to strangers about what they think. Being an arrogant bastard doesn't cause nearly as much uproar if you remember to keep your mouth shut. And it greatly helps with the image if you just ignore everyone and do your thing ingame instead of the forums, BoB hasn't learned that part yet or they really don't care (though I doubt the latter as they keep responding to every flame, which isn't smart). Secondly, your comment about adolescent kiddies is of course untrue. I know its been thrown around a lot, and I might have mentioned it myself a few times in jest/in propaganda. But if you know what kind of people play in these kinds of guilds/corps, you'd be surprised. From my personal experience, the most dedicated group players are actually often adults, who use these kinds of games to relieve stress from work etc. My own beef with BoB has nothing to do who they are really, just the way they play the game, but thats a whole different matter.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:30:00 - [94] This might be a good opportunity to ask a few questions, for interest's sake, on a subject very close to my heart i.e. player driven content and it's impact on the player base at large. I suppose these questions are directed at the following groups of people (not exclusively but as examples) relatively new players to Eve who haven't had the chance to move out to 0.0 space yet, players who prefer to play Eve solo and stay largely in empire, members of small corporations run independantly of alliances in 0.0 etc. 1. Are you at all interested in what goes on between the player factions/alliances in Eve? 2. Do you know what is currently going on between player factions/alliances in Eve (in the broadest sense e.g. who controls what space, who are friends/enemies etc.) 3. Do the actions of player factions/alliances have any real impact on your Eve experience? 4. Where do you get your information about player driven content from e.g. the Player News Centre, the Intergalactic Summit, CAOD forum etc? There's a few large scale wars on around the south and the east of the map at the moment, perhaps not as monumental as some conflicts we've had in the past but fairly large none the less, so it'd be very interesting to hear how or indeed if the average Eve player notices. Blog
Abye Caldari UNITED STARS ORGANISATION	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:36:00 - [95] Edited by: Abye on 14/12/2006 14:38:52 I think BoB is so succsessful because once the leadership set a goal, every member works hard to archieve it. In every MMO will be a such a group that try to be the best, BoB are that in EvE Online. I don't know why so much hate goes to BoB, live next to Red Alliance for a while, then you know what bad neighbours are And naming the Titan Steve ? With that shape i'd named it Ron Jeremy
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:37:00 - [96] Blacklight, I doubt you will get a decent sampling of the Eve-population here. My bet is that most of the people ingame never even read these forums. The population you're sampling from is already filtered towards more involved players.
Knight Templar	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:41:00 - [97] Edited by: Knight Templar on 14/12/2006 14:42:20 The reason why people dislike BOB is because they own any area they go. BOB has a strong leadership, active power pvp members which are motivated and they enjoy their game. To be quite honest, the only thing I am jealous about with regards to BOB, their members seem to be getting their monies worth. Kudos to BOB on their recent campaign. added: As for the arrogance, (people claim) that's what happens when you become the best in your field.
Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:46:00 - [98] Edited by: Buxaroo on 14/12/2006 14:47:11 Originally by: Miss Overlord BOB will continue to go after ASCN until RAGOON get strong enough to swat again the big ? in all of this is D2 and friends and LV. The north could become an issue with bob if RONIN and d2 team up to take RISE out. Why would D2 want to hook up with RONIN to take on RISE? If I remember correctly, RISE were the ones that helped D2 put the hurt on the Goonies. But then again D2 might backstab and I would not put that past them. Atleast with Bob you know where you stand. There isn't any 'telling you one thing while planning on doing another thing' with bob. Bob says something, they mean it. D2 are backroom dealers period.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:54:00 - [99] Originally by: Malachon Draco Blacklight, I doubt you will get a decent sampling of the Eve-population here. My bet is that most of the people ingame never even read these forums. The population you're sampling from is already filtered towards more involved players. Very true and it's buried in the original topic of this thread anyway, I might have a go at doing a proper bit of research into this at some point, I find it fascinating. Blog
Sonieli State War Academy	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:54:00 - [100] Originally by: Blacklight 1. Are you at all interested in what goes on between the player factions/alliances in Eve? 2. Do you know what is currently going on between player factions/alliances in Eve (in the broadest sense e.g. who controls what space, who are friends/enemies etc.) 3. Do the actions of player factions/alliances have any real impact on your Eve experience? 4. Where do you get your information about player driven content from e.g. the Player News Centre, the Intergalactic Summit, CAOD forum etc? 1. Interested in the sense that it's always amusing to read the latest smack. As I'm currently just training skills and doing my own thing in the npc corp, it's not really something I overly pay attention to. 2 Only really what I have read in the CAOD threads over the last month since i activated my trial account. eg BoB v ASCN, LV/V v RAGOONS, ISS v IAC, various merc group adventures. 3. Not a lot other than keeping me reading the boards rather than doing the next mission or even looting the latest wreck. 4. Mostly the CAOD forum. Also INNOMINATE NIGHTMARE's rather amusing adventure has been informative. Having played Everquest for 4 years (99 - 2004) and the majority of that time being spent in 2 "uber guilds" I have always been interested in following the various travails of other high end guilds. Having been in that high-end situation in the past does gives some insight into the various politics that I see in Eve.

Arbiter Lilitu	Posted - 2006.12.14 15:04:00 - [101] Originally by: Bill Shankly Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Jason Marshall Its not hate....its a distrust....loathing.....i dont have the word.... Let me supply you with the word since you seem unable bring yourself to utter it. Jealousy. lol u wish more like homophobia. This comment confuses me...
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots From Honour	Posted - 2006.12.14 15:04:00 - [102] Well I don't particularly like or dislike BoB, but I respect them a lot for what they achieve in EVE. I dislike ASCN, aka Xetic MkII. And I disliked Xetic before them (having formerly been part of Xetic). Why did ASCN lose to BoB? BoB had won from the moment the idea formed in Molle's mind, because ASCN are another Xetic. Incompetent and beaurocratic leadership with a largely carebear member base (or perhaps I should merely say not a big enough pvp member base) are a recipe for disaster when war comes along.
Twin blade Minmatar The Caldari Confederation	Posted - 2006.12.14 15:14:00 - [103] I like bob and ascn. BOB just go for it and seem to know what there doing. Ascn on the other hand have the number's but seem to lack any way to command the fleet. !
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2006.12.14 15:15:00 - [104] Originally by: Blacklight This might be a good opportunity to ask a few questions, for interest's sake, on a subject very close to my heart i.e. player driven content and it's impact on the player base at large. I suppose these questions are directed at the following groups of people (not exclusively but as examples) relatively new players to Eve who haven't had the chance to move out to 0.0 space yet, players who prefer to play Eve solo and stay largely in empire, members of small corporations run independantly of alliances in 0.0 etc. 1. Are you at all interested in what goes on between the player factions/alliances in Eve? 2. Do you know what is currently going on between player factions/alliances in Eve (in the broadest sense e.g. who controls what space, who are friends/enemies etc.) 3. Do the actions of player factions/alliances have any real impact on your Eve experience? 4. Where do you get your information about player driven content from e.g. the Player News Centre, the Intergalactic Summit, CAOD forum etc? There's a few large scale wars on around the south and the east of the map at the moment, perhaps not as monumental as some conflicts we've had in the past but fairly large none the less, so it'd be very interesting to hear how or indeed if the average Eve player notices. 1. Yes, especially the alliance my main character belongs to. (can't post with my main, this alt will have to suffice from now on) 2. I look at the alliance map once in a while, but in-game I really don't seek out this info, only care about my own alliance. 3. Not really. 4. Word of mouth in game, I don't seek out that information... I certainly do not go to the alliance forums, they are not a good source of info, just too much BS! Newest toy for my 63 acre sandbox Building the homestead
Keikko Aranata Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.12.14 15:15:00 - [105] Originally by: Blacklight I suppose these questions are directed at the following groups of people (not exclusively but as examples) relatively new players to Eve who haven't had the chance to move out to 0.0 space yet, players who prefer to play Eve solo and stay largely in empire, members of small corporations run independantly of alliances in 0.0 etc. To put my responses in proper scope, I probably fit all three of your example/target categories, though not necessarily all at the same time. I've played EVE since a day before Cold War opened, so figure around July 2005. This is my 2nd character that wasn't a complete f-up, and so I won't delete him, as I've deleted four of my other five characters. My other surviver is a 20m SP character that is all over the map in terms of skill assignments. She can do everything with an equal level of mediocrity. Keikko is now at 6m SP, and is intended to be more focused in terms of my in-game objectives. Quote: 1. Are you at all interested in what goes on between the player factions/alliances in Eve? Yes. As I reach my own in-game goals, I'll either be working with or against these factions. Quote: 2. Do you know what is currently going on between player factions/alliances in Eve (in the broadest sense e.g. who controls what space, who are friends/enemies etc.) Yes, at least in broad terms. The in-game starmap, Joshua Fourieraitaiian's OOG map, and the corp/alliance forums are my sources. I question the accuracy/validity/relevance of each of those sources, but it's the best I've got atm. 3. Do the actions of player factions/alliances have any real impact on your Eve experience? Yes. Day-to-day it impacts markets. Near-term, it impacts decisions about which corps Keikko should be part of and long-term it impacts whether or not I should bother planning for or getting involved in larger projects on my own or as part of another corp. Some of the influence from factions/alliances is direct (e.g., the marketplace) and some is more indirect (e.g., do I really want to get involved in an alliance that is about to get demolished - only to have to start from square one again?). Quote: 4. Where do you get your information about player driven content from e.g. the Player News Centre, the Intergalactic Summit, CAOD forum etc? Mentioned above, but yes. All those that you name, as well as some other OOG sites/blogs/wikis/etc. Quote: so it'd be very interesting to hear how or indeed if the average Eve player notices. I'm not the average player, so my input may skew your intended result.
BobFromMarketing Amarr The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:17:00 - [106] Originally by: Arlenik Emmanouelik Originally by: James Pond Originally by: Arlenik Emmanouelik I dislike ASCN very much, eventhough in the beginning I wanted to join them. I believe in taxing, but ASCN taxes the crap out of its members just so the very few people at the top fulfill their own person enjoyment. They had a project to build a titan, but they were only risking to tell 3 of their members about the project. That tells me how much they trust one and other. And when its all said and done, they build the thing and name it CYVOK, the name of the CEO of the executor corporation. The very least you could do was to name it something that would relate to all the hard work your members put into the project, not your selfish head. I can't believe people still fall for that alliance and join them. Sad but true I guess. I only have one thing to say about BoB...RESPECT. I don't think people hate BoB, except those who lose their ships to them. Its just that they want to have what they have. Power, wealth, and alot of ASCN corpses. i beleive ASCN taxes at stations is 10% how is that taxing the crap out of its members, other allainces have higher rates than that. The titan was kept secret so that the POS where it was being built would net get destroyed, its a well known fact that within ASCN there are alot of spies, the way the build of the titan was handled was probably the way most alliances would have done it, most of LV didnt know about there titan being built either. the titan was called steve actually, a name that was chosen by the members of the alliance. so in all fairness your post is a complete load of rubbish. The 10% is for the missions and bounties, which is fine. But some of the corps in ASCN have some 20% tax on miners. I know this cause way back I wanted to join some of their industrial corps. A friend of mine wanting to join ASCN found out that some of the corps go as far as checking your hangar to make sure you had paid your dues. Like I said, I have NO problem with taxing, and I think its important. But if you are going to tax your members just so one person can fly a titan with his name on it, thats just total bull crap. I'm not saying the construction of the titan shouldn't have been kept secret. Its just that, telling only 3 people in your entire alliance of some 4000 people tells alot about the alliance. I wouldn't want to be part of such a group, and I think you missed the point of my post. And, the titan was indeed named CYVOK, here is the official player news. Have you ever played Eve? Anytime you assemble a ship it has "Your name"s "ship here" The ship was named Steve, I know, I've sat next to it. It's also the reason most BoB ships were named Steve for a period of time. Please don't go spouting things off if you have no idea whats going on. Thanks
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:18:00 - [107] ItÆs really just about historical forces in the Eve political simulation really. Organisations like ASCN claim a large area of space and leverage their numbers to elect themselves lords of the manor and make the localised rules. Eventually their success against smaller organisations makes them bolder and more arrogant and elements of political philosophy (like the NBSI thing) continue to erode any positive experience neighbours might have with them. So eventually a conqueror power (BOB) comes to test these claims and territorial arrogance in battle, seeking the greatest challenge for its warrior ethos in conflict with the biggest prey in the cluster. To my mind its all pretty much consensual. An alliance consents to being attacked full tilt by going out into 0.0 and announcing it is at perpetual war against any strangers and it is powerful enough to tyrannise a region (or six). This is pretty much what ASCN did. Viewing the inevitable eventual attack by BOB as anything other than natural eve politics of action and consequence is wrong-headed in the extreme. There is a old quote on warfare that plays during MTW2 thatÆs particularly pertinent: (paraphrasing) "there is nothing special about the conflicts of kings and nations, those arguments are just the quarrels of neighbours writ large" Which in Eve terms means: that if I as an individual go and sit at a 0.0 gate in my Megathron and announce "this gate is mine all who come here will be attacked unless they seek diplomatic relations on MY terms and pay me tax!" Then maybe, a few scattered miners might pay me a tax to be allowed to go through. Maybe I might prevail in battle against other battleships and scattered combatants. Maybe I'll keep this up for a while and people will get to saying: "That Jasmine is bad ass; she has that gate nailed down but good" But eventually some person or group is going to come and take my "kingdom" away from me. They'll come with superior dedication, equipment, passion and they'll have analysed my tactics and positioning, maybe they'll have scanned my loadout or perhaps they'll just drop 20 BS on my head and call it a gank. But either which way my "kingdom" isn't going to last. By declaring "mine all mine" I isolate myself. I ensure my own eventual defeat. I've committed suicide if you like. And thatÆs how I see the ASCN vs BOB war. ASCN decided they didn't want to live any more the moment their arrogance led to hubris and they got to thinking about eternal empires and enduring fame though diplomatic belligerence and territorial exclusion. At the end of the day BOB is just the straight razor that CYVOK used to end himself. Eve is a harsh game. ItÆs not like your father's mmorg - itÆs much closer to real hardcore red in tooth and claw political dynamics with no safety rails or warning signs. Leaders of corps or alliances need to remember this or continue to see their works and ambitions blown away as dust on the virtual wind. Star Fraction is recruiting
Sir Drake	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:27:00 - [108] ASCN > BoB 1. because i favor the defenders over the aggressors 2. way too much arrogance and smacktalk on the forums coming from BoB members I would love to know what the age average of BoB and ASCN is. Im pretty certain that it will explain quite a lot of the behavior we see from both allies. ------------------------------------------------------- Sig was removed due to derogatory comments towards a group of people. -Karl Chroimcer I like that.
Soporo	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:31:00 - [109] Quote: everybody hates us, and ASCN haven't lost the war (yet! :D) Well, the only reason BoB "chaps my hide" so to speak is the level of arrogance/smack/unremitting forum hooring/etc. But I generally dislike excessive boasting and smack no matter who it is. Just seems a bit undignified and sophomoric. I have subsequently learned that there are a lot of good people with many fine qualities in BoB, yet the above reasons greatly mitigate my perception. I'm probably not alone in that.
Nige007 VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:35:00 - [110] Have to say ASCN. I'm ex member and would go back anyday if any of them would take me!!! (^^^ hint hint ^^^)

Becham	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:40:00 - [111] The only thing I don't like is the spying - I find that to be creepy. To effectively spy, you actually have to pretend to befriend people, and then you crap on them. You aren't befriending an NPC. There's a person behind the keyboard and at the other end of Teamspeak that you are talking to. Think about that. This is a game, not a real life war or police operation to ***** down on crime where the ends justify the means. Pretending to befriend people in a game to wreck the game experience of someone they have befriended in game is just sad. I can't see how anyone could be ok with that.
Zenpa Sin	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:44:00 - [112] I'm curious to see what BOB does next after they crush ASCN. I give them a few months to organize/reinforce the new space and then start work on crushing the smaller alliances in the south. By this time next year only 2 large alliances will stand in their way of dominating the entire southern 0.0 space. BOB has the infrastructure and leadership to take it all. BOB's pilots are getting resupplied fast and put back into action. ASCN seems to be a deer caught in the headlights. They thought they were tough but when the time came to walk the walk they are failing. Leader bailed, Titan lost and they are posting in the forums for help. This battle is being fought in ASCN space and ASCN is losing resources not BOB. The BOB infrastructure is perfectly intact and they can keep it up indefinately. ASCN loses access to more resources every week as BOB ships move around the ASCN space. My guess is a few weeks, possibly a month or two and ASCN will conceed.
Rehmes	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:44:00 - [113] Originally by: Blacklight This might be a good opportunity to ask a few questions, for interest's sake, on a subject very close to my heart i.e. player driven content and it's impact on the player base at large. I suppose these questions are directed at the following groups of people (not exclusively but as examples) relatively new players to Eve who haven't had the chance to move out to 0.0 space yet, players who prefer to play Eve solo and stay largely in empire, members of small corporations run independantly of alliances in 0.0 etc. 1. Are you at all interested in what goes on between the player factions/alliances in Eve? 2. Do you know what is currently going on between player factions/alliances in Eve (in the broadest sense e.g. who controls what space, who are friends/enemies etc.) 3. Do the actions of player factions/alliances have any real impact on your Eve experience? 4. Where do you get your information about player driven content from e.g. the Player News Centre, the Intergalactic Summit, CAOD forum etc? There's a few large scale wars on around the south and the east of the map at the moment, perhaps not as monumental as some conflicts we've had in the past but fairly large none the less, so it'd be very interesting to hear how or indeed if the average Eve player notices. 1. Yes i am interested because one day id like to be part of a major conflic myself. 2. Yes because very early on i learned that neutral means u die anyway. 3. Again yes, their actions affect certain supplies and also my abolity to enter certain areas of the game. 4. Mostly from forums while at work...like now (plz dont tell my boss ) BTW i personally dont know a single BoB or ASCN member so i wont comment on it but i do think its good for the game to have these massive conflics. when i joined EvE what truly drew me into it was the ability to build ur empire as well as the ability to take someone elses empire. The game would be rather boring of all there was to it was noob ganking in low sec. For each side: may the best win and hopefully ull give us more exiting fights to watch until one day i can be part of something like that.
Dal Thrax Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:44:00 - [114] Originally by: Blacklight This might be a good opportunity to ask a few questions, for interest's sake, on a subject very close to my heart i.e. player driven content and it's impact on the player base at large. I suppose these questions are directed at the following groups of people (not exclusively but as examples) relatively new players to Eve who haven't had the chance to move out to 0.0 space yet, players who prefer to play Eve solo and stay largely in empire, members of small corporations run independantly of alliances in 0.0 etc. 1. Are you at all interested in what goes on between the player factions/alliances in Eve? 2. Do you know what is currently going on between player factions/alliances in Eve (in the broadest sense e.g. who controls what space, who are friends/enemies etc.) 3. Do the actions of player factions/alliances have any real impact on your Eve experience? 4. Where do you get your information about player driven content from e.g. the Player News Centre, the Intergalactic Summit, CAOD forum etc? There's a few large scale wars on around the south and the east of the map at the moment, perhaps not as monumental as some conflicts we've had in the past but fairly large none the less, so it'd be very interesting to hear how or indeed if the average Eve player notices. [/quote 1. Yes, large fleet engagement seem well fun. 2. Only in the vagust terms. I've looked at the area's of control map a couple of times and know who controls the local 0.0 around where I'm ratting. 3. For the most part no. This comes with one huge caveat. Access to 0.0 resources seems to be required to generate the funds to advance my character after a certain point. If I can't advance my character because of the actions of player controlled groups o rhave to jump through to many hoops then well burning crusade is coming out next month and I'm under no obligation to play EvE. 4. Mainly CAOD forum. "This is the Free Trader Beowulf calling anyone . . . Mayday, Mayday . . . we are under attack. . . main drive is gone. . . turrent number one not responding. . . Mayday . . . losing cabin pressure fa
Soporo	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:47:00 - [115] I agree with Becham. Spies and corp thieves are the lowest of the low imo. Makes me think of sleezy lawyers and scummy politicians making backdoor insider deals at the expense of some hardworking small buisness.
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:56:00 - [116] Edited by: dantes inferno on 14/12/2006 16:56:11 I can respect what bob have achieve in game, it is not an easy thing to do and they deserve it. I can understand the flames and oog methods employed by bob. what i cant respect and what makes me unltimetley dislike bob is their hypocrisy. You rarley see a thread in the alliance forums without a bob member spewing some form of flame, with dianaboliqe, db and krystal been the most noteworthy...but the second some one says somethign about them they spew all this "show respect", "dont take the game seriously" garbige. its ultimatley that hypocrisy which makes me view the players of bob showing it with contempt. ASCN on the other hand...are oppurtunist, 2 faced back, stabbers and i have been enjoying the past 2 months seeing them reap what they have sown. now i hope that the mods dont move this from general to alliance or im going to get showted at a lot RAM is recruiting
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:56:00 - [117] Edited by: prsr on 14/12/2006 16:58:32 /me wonders whats up with all the nubs declaring that ASCN lost the war lately... Did some Bob "declare" this or something or is it just nubs drawing conclusions about stuff they don't understand? I'm not in ASCN or Bob nor do I have any stake in their conflict and although loosing a Titan and an outpost must suck, especially when both losses had little to do with real battles for power, there's like 20 more outposts (isk worth comparable to another 2 titans!!!) to go before ASCN has none left. How does that even come close to ASCN losing the war? If anything the territorial conquest part of the conflict with Bob has only barely begun, and ASCN wouldn't be ASCN if they didn't have another Titan in the cooker somewhere. -- .sig apathy ftw
Zenpa Sin	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:56:00 - [118] Originally by: BobFromMarketing Have you ever played Eve? Anytime you assemble a ship it has "Your name"s "ship here" The ship was named Steve, I know, I've sat next to it. It's also the reason most BoB ships were named Steve for a period of time. Please don't go spouting things off if you have no idea whats going on. Have you ever played EVE? You can rename your ship from the default. So how do you explain this line from the website: "The Titan is the majestic Avatar of Amarrian design now named CYVOK's Avatar* after its current pilot and one of the leading figures who made the production possible."* They may have named it Steve after everyone got ticked off but trust me, it was named Cyvoks Avatar for a period of time.
Vizgoth	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:59:00 - [119] I do not like BoB because they are greedy. They own almost half of 0.0 already why do they need more. They can have their fun flying into enemy territory and doing scirmishes (SP). Why have the need to own everything. It is the same reason why so many empires in history were hated and eventually fall. People say "its just a game," which is true, but some people carry their beliefs and morals into games also. Its the same reason why I don't like pirating. PvP is fine, fighting another combatant is great fun and you actually test your skills and learn. Ganking a miner is cowardly and easy, and shows no skill what-so-ever. Being an honorable person in real life I bring that with me into the game. But I digress.. It doesnt mean that I do not understand why they attacked ASCN its just that my morals tell me the aggressor is evil and the defendant is good. So being a good person I side with what my morals tell me is the good side /shrug, in the end "its just a game" BTW jealousy is being afraid of losing something you already have and Envy is wanting something someone else has. I think its usually envy not jealousy that people feel toward BoB.
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:59:00 - [120] Edited by: dantes inferno on 14/12/2006 17:00:25 Quote: So how do you explain this line from the website: "The Titan is the majestic Avatar of Amarrian design now named CYVOK's Avatar after its current pilot and one of the leading figures who made the production possible." now i dont know if it was named cyvok, steve or snow white and the 7 dwarfs..but i do know that the news items on the website have been wrong several times in the past. RAM is recruiting

Rodge Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:00:00 - [121] Originally by: Sir Drake I would love to know what the age average of BoB and ASCN is. Im pretty certain that it will explain quite a lot of the behavior we see from both allies. We, in BOB, actually wondered that a little while ago. So we put a little poll up on our forums to find out. The results were: Under 16 (ZOMG NEWB) 0% [ 1 ] 16-20 9% [ 27 ] 21-25 33% [ 95 ] 26-30 32% [ 93 ] 31-35 14% [ 42 ] (I'm in this group ) 36-40 7% [ 22 ] 40+ (ZOMG OLD) 2% [ 7 ] Total Votes : 287 Average age seems to be around 26 or 27. Sig inappropriate-not eve related -Abdalion [ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
Sir Drake	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:02:00 - [122] Originally by: Becham The only thing I don't like is the spying - I find that to be creepy. To effectively spy, you actually have to pretend to befriend people, and then you crap on them. You aren't befriending an NPC. There's a person behind the keyboard and at the other end of Teamspeak that you are talking to. Think about that. This is a game, not a real life war or police operation to ***** down on crime where the ends justify the means. Pretending to befriend people in a game to wreck the game experience of someone they have befriended in game is just sad. I can't see how anyone could be ok with that. /signed The copying of posts from the ASCN forum to the EVE-O forum by some "rats" is just disgusting. The activ use of traitors should tell ppl more than enough. ------------------------------------------------------- Sig was removed due to derogatory comments towards a group of people. -Karl Chroimcer I like that.
Sir Drake	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:05:00 - [123] Originally by: Rodge We, in BOB, actually wondered that a little while ago. So we put a little poll up on our forums to find out. The results were: Under 16 (ZOMG NEWB) 0% [ 1 ] 16-20 9% [ 27 ] 21-25 33% [ 95 ] 26-30 32% [ 93 ] 31-35 14% [ 42 ] (I'm in this group ) 36-40 7% [ 22 ] 40+ (ZOMG OLD) 2% [ 7 ] Total Votes : 287 Average age seems to be around 26 or 27. Tnx for the info! Hopefully ASCN can provide some infos too. ------------------------------------------------------- Sig was removed due to derogatory comments towards a group of people. -Karl Chroimcer I like that.
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:11:00 - [124] Those who hate BoB or ASCN do it mostly out of jealousy. BoB are hated as the nearly flawless military machine, ASCN are hated as the extremely rich 0.0 empire, actually built by players. Now, there's a lot of bad blood between BoB and ASCN atm, but it's understandable, as it's actually an all out war between us. All the hatred that is coming from empire-huggers is mostly coming from wannabees who think they could do better, but too lazy or cautious to try it themselves.
Admiral Pieg Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:18:00 - [125] Originally by: Becham The only thing I don't like is the spying - I find that to be creepy. To effectively spy, you actually have to pretend to befriend people, and then you crap on them. You aren't befriending an NPC. There's a person behind the keyboard and at the other end of Teamspeak that you are talking to. Think about that. This is a game, not a real life war or police operation to ***** down on crime where the ends justify the means. Pretending to befriend people in a game to wreck the game experience of someone they have befriended in game is just sad. I can't see how anyone could be ok with that. I strongly doubt that any bobbit befriended anyone to "wreck their game experience" as you so delicately put it. As long as it ends in an ingame event (corp theveing/betrayal/whatever) its a part of the game, no matter where the foreplay took place. ______________ Pod from above.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:21:00 - [126] I still dislike RA more than BoB. Although BoB does come in a close second these days because they're screwing with my plans to go poke RA. Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
Zenpa Sin	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:24:00 - [127] The BOB mealtime prayer BOB is good BOB is great Thank you for The ASCN ships they ate Amen BOB FTW!!!
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:24:00 - [128] Originally by: Moghydin Those who hate BoB or ASCN do it mostly out of jealousy. BoB are hated as the nearly flawless military machine, ASCN are hated as the extremely rich 0.0 empire, actually built by players. Now, there's a lot of bad blood between BoB and ASCN atm, but it's understandable, as it's actually an all out war between us. All the hatred that is coming from empire-huggers is mostly coming from wannabees who think they could do better, but too lazy or cautious to try it themselves. You still have a lot to learn.
NeoTech Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:28:00 - [129] Originally by: Zenpa Sin Originally by: BobFromMarketing Have you ever played Eve? Anytime you assemble a ship it has "Your name"s "ship here" The ship was named Steve, I know, I've sat next to it. It's also the reason most BoB ships were named Steve for a period of time. Please don't go spouting things off if you have no idea whats going on. Have you ever played EVE? You can rename your ship from the default. So how do you explain this line from the website: "The Titan is the majestic Avatar of Amarrian design now named CYVOK's Avatar* after its current pilot and one of the leading figures who made the production possible."* They may have named it Steve after everyone got ticked off but trust me, it was named Cyvoks Avatar for a period of time. Ohh please.. we discussed what to call it on the internal forums after its revealing. Seriously, naming a Titan is like naming a Baby, it takes ALOT of discussing. :) Dont think u know everything when u are not even involved. :) Thx
Becham	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:29:00 - [130] Edited by: Becham on 14/12/2006 17:30:31 Quote: I strongly doubt that any bobbit befriended anyone to "wreck their game experience" as you so delicately put it. As long as it ends in an ingame event (corp theveing/betrayal/whatever) its a part of the game, no matter where the foreplay took place. Justify it if you feel the need. I agree, it is just a game. If you think pretending to befriend people when your only intent is just to crap on them enhances your game experience, by all means, have at it and enjoy the experience! Personally I would not want to go into that low place because I don't see how it would be fun. Your mileage may differ. Incidentally, I didn't say BoB did this, I don't know the specifics of who has done what to whom. I was just commenting on in-game spying in general.

Dal Thrax Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:33:00 - [131] From what I've seen the war between BoB and ASCN so far boils down to leadership structures. BoB seems to have a general staff. This means that one person dosn't have to think of everything (in fact they likely have both a leadership staff and a fleet command staff at the least). Jobs are parceled out to specialists. Shrike, an experienced Dread pilot fly's the Titan, not Sir Molle. BoB realizes that eventually, someday, somebody is going to kill their Titan and is perpared for this fact. The leadership won't fall. Honestly the biggest danger they face with a Titan loss is that the circumstances will cause them to loose a valuable pilot. (As CYVOK has shown Titan losses are most likely to be caused by RL/Conection issues instead of a standup fight). ASCN on the other hand put all their eggs in once basket. CYVOK was very much the key man of the alliance, it's efficency directly relating to how much time he could spend on the game. CYVOK should have known better than to pilot the Titan himself, eventually it was going to get destroyed an event that would most likely cause his ouster as ASCN dictator. As for the current war, I think BoB is going to wish they hadn't killed that Titan in time. Currently the war has resulted in a handfull of system changing hands. At the rate of loss other powers in the game figured it could go on, for all practical purposes, indefinatly (especially with new space opening up for ASCN to expand in). All of a sudden it BoB has just said "we can stamp out all that you build and drive your leadership out of the game." Now it looks like, instead of maintaining a balance of power, BoB may win in the near term through some kind of capitulation by ASCN. Other powers in the game are noticing. I expect things may get interesting for BoB in the next couple of weeks.
Caedicus Minmatar Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:34:00 - [132] This might have already been said in the thread before, but I do not have time to read the whole thing: Why the hell would you name a titan "Steve"????? Such a monumental acheivement in the game and you give it a name that is stupid, boring, and most of all very non RPish. No wonder it got destroyed so easily. I wouldn't take very good care of a ship named "Steve" either. BoB should have named their titan "Bob". Then we would have epic battle between Bob and Steve!!! sheesh Evolution in Eve:
Dal Thrax Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:37:00 - [133] Edited by: Dal Thrax on 14/12/2006 17:41:19 Originally by: Admiral Pieg Originally by: Becham The only thing I don't like is the spying - I find that to be creepy. To effectively spy, you actually have to pretend to befriend people, and then you crap on them. You aren't befriending an NPC. There's a person behind the keyboard and at the other end of Teamspeak that you are talking to. Think about that. This is a game, not a real life war or police operation to ***** down on crime where the ends justify the means. Pretending to befriend people in a game to wreck the game experience of someone they have befriended in game is just sad. I can't see how anyone could be ok with that. I strongly doubt that any bobbit befriended anyone to "wreck their game experience" as you so delicately put it. As long as it ends in an ingame event (corp theveing/betrayal/whatever) its a part of the game, no matter where the foreplay took place. Um, people are going to hate me for pointing this out, but if you don't want spies you could always make folks sign a real life NDA. Most countries courts will honor an NDA for things like a team playbook or play calling.
gu o Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:40:00 - [134] As an ASCN member (fairly new only been part of it for oh say the better part of 4 months. I woul dhave to say that I do not Hate BoB. I am very impressed with their uncanny ability to summ up people who are willing to fight and fight hard. I was impressed with how few ASCN member truely got together to fight. It seems like the same hundred and some odd get together every time to fight. Where as BoB have a thousand people truely willing to fight. I will say that yes I am pretty much a carebear who previously had no intention of engaging anyone. But once the fight was brought to me I had to. That the real difference I HAD to, most of the BoB member Want to fight. You cannot judge these two alliances as whether you "like" them based on their actions towards one another. If you enjoy the Player killing then you are a fan of BoB "unless you are smewhat jelous of their uncanny ability to excell at the PvP aspect of EvE" ASCN, I don't think many can deny, excelled at the creation of outpost's. We through decent manners were trying to build an entity that would last throughout EvE span. It still might but that will simply have to wait untill the end of this war. I think if you ask the more informed BoB member that ASCN, had a massive number of capital ships. We infact had a significant amount more than BoB did at the beginning of the war. But through poor implementaion we seem to loose them at an impressive rate also. So baisically guys don't hate any alliance, Yes I will admit BoB has been taking me by storm. But I do not hate them they simply excell in a different part of EvE than I do. I have not yet seen Many Members of the BoB alliance who treat others with ill remarks. In fact I have seen what seem like very cool people "well maybe when not on the recieving end of some big guns" I would hope that this war does not bring an unending attempt to smash all the people who were part of ASCN and/or BoB. It would be silly to let this war endup as an uneding issue throughout EvE span. It would be silly, I have tried the best of my ability to show respect to all BoB members and in return have goten the same. I will say though that the EvE-O forum members of BoB do not show your better quality. They seem to reply with very harsh posts that are for the vast majority of the time un needed. Well Thanks for your Time, and Good luck to you BoB members who meet your match to me in the field. I just wish there was a way to dual people instead Of blob fighting, but then again that is my issue not yours. Most BoB member seem more than content in making sure they win, where as I enjoy a good fight with smaller more fair numbers. But oh well I shalln't complain GU O *Fix Lasers give them a bleed through to structure bonus! Bleed through only effects armour though, something like a 15% damage of the inflicted armour damage bleeds to structure.*
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:42:00 - [135] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine ItÆs really just about historical forces in the Eve political simulation really. Organisations like ASCN claim a large area of space and leverage their numbers to elect themselves lords of the manor and make the localised rules. Eventually their success against smaller organisations makes them bolder and more arrogant and elements of political philosophy (like the NBSI thing) continue to erode any positive experience neighbours might have with them. So eventually a conqueror power (BOB) comes to test these claims and territorial arrogance in battle, seeking the greatest challenge for its warrior ethos in conflict with the biggest prey in the cluster. To my mind its all pretty much consensual. An alliance consents to being attacked full tilt by going out into 0.0 and announcing it is at perpetual war against any strangers and it is powerful enough to tyrannise a region (or six). This is pretty much what ASCN did. Viewing the inevitable eventual attack by BOB as anything other than natural eve politics of action and consequence is wrong-headed in the extreme. There is a old quote on warfare that plays during MTW2 thatÆs particularly pertinent: (paraphrasing) "there is nothing special about the conflicts of kings and nations, those arguments are just the quarrels of neighbours writ large" Which in Eve terms means: that if I as an individual go and sit at a 0.0 gate in my Megathron and announce "this gate is mine all who come here will be attacked unless they seek diplomatic relations on MY terms and pay me tax!" Then maybe, a few scattered miners might pay me a tax to be allowed to go through. Maybe I might prevail in battle against other battleships and scattered combatants. Maybe I'll keep this up for a while and people will get to saying: "That Jasmine is bad ass; she has that gate nailed down but good" But eventually some person or group is going to come and take my "kingdom" away from me. They'll come with superior dedication, equipment, passion and they'll have analysed my tactics and positioning, maybe they'll have scanned my loadout or perhaps they'll just drop 20 BS on my head and call it a gank. But either which way my "kingdom" isn't going to last. By declaring "mine all mine" I isolate myself. I ensure my own eventual defeat. I've committed suicide if you like. And thatÆs how I see the ASCN vs BOB war. ASCN decided they didn't want to live any more the moment their arrogance led to hubris and they got to thinking about eternal empires and enduring fame though diplomatic belligerence and territorial exclusion. At the end of the day BOB is just the straight razor that CYVOK used to end himself. Eve is a harsh game. ItÆs not like your father's mmorg - itÆs much closer to real hardcore red in tooth and claw political dynamics with no safety rails or warning signs. Leaders of corps or alliances need to remember this or continue to see their works and ambitions blown away as dust on the virtual wind. Very good post, I enjoyed reading that.. and you are bang on the money.
Zenpa Sin	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:43:00 - [136] Originally by: NeoTech Ohh please.. we discussed what to call it on the internal forums after its revealing. Seriously, naming a Titan is like naming a Baby, it takes ALOT of discussing. :) You mean to tell me ASCN had ALOT of internal discussion on what to name it and STEVE is the best you could do? No wonder your getting your behinds handed to you... BOB FTW!!!!!
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:50:00 - [137] Yeah really... calling the Titan, Steve was just What kind of a ghey name is that for the biggest ship in the fleet. /emote shakes head
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:52:00 - [138] Originally by: Nez Perces Yeah really... calling the Titan, Steve was just What kind of a ghey name is that for the biggest ship in the fleet. /emote shakes head Rather similar to calling our alliance Bob actually, which was not initially meant to signify Band of Brothers, it was merely a case of "ok well if we're not allowed to call the alliance Cookies Cake & Pie then we'll call it something totally irreverant". So I'm not criticising ASCN for calling their Titan Steve Blog
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.14 18:01:00 - [139] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Nez Perces Yeah really... calling the Titan, Steve was just What kind of a ghey name is that for the biggest ship in the fleet. /emote shakes head Rather similar to calling our alliance Bob actually, which was not initially meant to signify Band of Brothers, it was merely a case of "ok well if we're not allowed to call the alliance Cookies Cake & Pie then we'll call it something totally irreverant". So I'm not criticising ASCN for calling their Titan Steve well... I guess you are lucky that later you were able to make it mean something vaguely "cool". I can't imagine you would be too happy having called your alliance Richard and then being stuck with it Anyways ships have historically been given female names... that would have made more sense, for a ship.
Jargo Stonecutter Gallente Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 18:17:00 - [140] Originally by: Caedicus This might have already been said in the thread before, but I do not have time to read the whole thing: Why the hell would you name a titan "Steve"????? Here a little insight: It was named "Steve" in rememberance of "Crocodile Hunter" Steve Irwin who died just a few days(?) befor the Titans completition. May you live in interresting times.

NetHawk Obliteration Unlimited R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.14 18:26:00 - [141] Originally by: Moghydin Those who hate BoB or ASCN do it mostly out of jealousy. BoB are hated as the nearly flawless military machine, ASCN are hated as the extremely rich 0.0 empire, actually built by players. I think this is about right. BoB is apparently the best military alliance in the game. ASCN was likely the best peace-time alliance in the game. BoB does have a lot of forum warriors, which I think maybe related to the age group that was displayed earlier in the thread. I do think some of the Forums folks, do have a lot to do with the BoB hate. On top of that they will receive the haters that dislike the fact that they're the bad mofo's on the block. With that being said, I think that it does come down to the fact that BoB has a good deal of the seasoned folks in game that do have their tactics down pretty well when it comes to what they do, and also have a real real serious revenue stream to continue to fund their war effort. Like all things, BoB will one day fall, if nothing else it would be a sheer numbers game when you're talking amount of live people vs live people. If let's say 4 large alliances where to get together and decide that they've had enough and simply pound BoB 23/7 in different locations at once some folks will lose some supplies, and BoB will fight like hell for a while, but in the end the sheer numbers would get them. Until something like that happens (unlikely RA, Goons, LV, D2, + whoever could agree long enough to do this i think), or some of the traditional internal alliance issues crop up, or game mechanics change to where they are not as effective(pretty unlikely), it is unlikely that they will be anything but top dog for a while. Is this good for the game? Someone has to be on top and in accordance with an earlier post they may be like the Empire in Star Wars, but even the Empire fell at some point. Until then, much respect to BoB for your pvp, boo to BoB for some of the forum stuff (not all of it), props to ASCN for establishing the largest 'Nation' in 0.0, now please stop the shooting and go mine some lows so mineral prices can go down! . This is my personal opinion, not the view of my corp or alliance. And folks, be brave enough to post with your mains. NetHawk
Altar Mei Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.12.14 18:26:00 - [142] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Nez Perces Yeah really... calling the Titan, Steve was just What kind of a ghey name is that for the biggest ship in the fleet. /emote shakes head Rather similar to calling our alliance Bob actually, which was not initially meant to signify Band of Brothers, it was merely a case of "ok well if we're not allowed to call the alliance Cookies Cake & Pie then we'll call it something totally irreverant". So I'm not criticising ASCN for calling their Titan Steve well... I guess you are lucky that later you were able to make it mean something vaguely "cool". I can't imagine you would be too happy having called your alliance Richard and then being stuck with it Anyways ships have historically been given female names... that would have made more sense, for a ship. Well when you get one I'm sure you can name it whatever u like.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.14 18:26:00 - [143] Originally by: Jargo Stonecutter Here a little insight: It was named "Steve" in rememberance of "Crocodile Hunter" Steve Irwin who died just a few days(?) befor the Titans completition. mm.. k.. why didnt you pull out all the stops and call it "Steve Irwin"? Steve is such a common name, with little to do with EVE, it could mean anything, how was anybody supposed to know outside of ASCN. Its a little morbid if you ask me.. but meh.
Zenpa Sin	Posted - 2006.12.14 18:41:00 - [144] Isnt it scary how a topic like BOB or ASCN can get totally off-track and now be about how silly ASCN is for naming their titan Steve? Now that I have more info I take back any ***** I made about the name Steve for your titan. However your still getting your behinds handed to ya.
Cedart Gallente Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2006.12.14 18:41:00 - [145] Edited by: Cedart on 14/12/2006 18:41:45 Well, to the original question. I didn't really have any strong opinion of either alliance before the war, exept that i generally like the PvP groups in MMOS. But after the war started, and ASCN stated to accuse BoB of cheating, hax, etc. i must say that i would be really disappointed to see ASCN win. Either you show undeniable proof of cheating, or you just acknowledge you lost. About the BoB smacking on forums.. well, it seems to be most often reactionary. You congratulate them of a good fight, you get nice talk about the fight, you accuse them of cheats, you get smack. Of course they could just tell their members to shut it, but i kinda see it as honesty, as in they are showing what they really think, not some diplomatic BS. Not that i like reading thought that bull any more than the next guy. Besides, as i see it, they dont really get anything from trying to appear all diplomatic. It's not like they would be hated much less. In WOW maybe a leading guild gets respect if they dont smack, but it doesn't work like that on competitive games where loser actually loses something. Even if no-one from BoB was saying anything to anyone in forums or in game, there would still be people telling every noob that BoB are the ultimate evil, that haxors the game and kills everyone that they see. Been there, done that. Our guild was still accused of everything under the sun. And finaly, they ARE a PvP alliance. They want people to fight them. They would probably quit the game in disgust if everyone was cheering and wouldn't want to fight them because they are liked so much. Originally by: Blacklight This might be a good opportunity to ask a few questions, for interest's sake, on a subject very close to my heart i.e. player driven content and it's impact on the player base at large. I suppose these questions are directed at the following groups of people (not exclusively but as examples) relatively new players to Eve who haven't had the chance to move out to 0.0 space yet, players who prefer to play Eve solo and stay largely in empire, members of small corporations run independantly of alliances in 0.0 etc. 1. Are you at all interested in what goes on between the player factions/alliances in Eve? 2. Do you know what is currently going on between player factions/alliances in Eve (in the broadest sense e.g. who controls what space, who are friends/enemies etc.) 3. Do the actions of player factions/alliances have any real impact on your Eve experience? 4. Where do you get your information about player driven content from e.g. the Player News Centre, the Intergalactic Summit, CAOD forum etc? I may not exactly be one of those you were asking the question from anymore, but i was some months back. So. 1. I like reading about the politics of player factions, i find that it creates depth for the game. 2. Generally yes. 3. Certainly they do now, but before i really started to go to 0.0, not that much. I think that the real empire dwellers dont see much of a impact, exept if they are manufacturing and/or selling things. 4. Forums in general.
Kaden Seer Gallente Research Associates Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2006.12.14 18:50:00 - [146] BoB pvp a lot, ASCN builds a lot. In this game, there is no real good vs. bad conflict, because everybody wants territory and everyone will do what they have to, in order to obtain it.
Gus Morgan	Posted - 2006.12.14 18:57:00 - [147] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Jargo Stonecutter Here a little insight: It was named "Steve" in rememberance of "Crocodile Hunter" Steve Irwin who died just a few days(?) befor the Titans completition. mm.. k.. why didnt you pull out all the stops and call it "Steve Irwin"? Steve is such a common name, with little to do with EVE, it could mean anything, how was anybody supposed to know outside of ASCN. Its a little morbid if you ask me.. but meh. buy your own titan and you can call it whatever you want. Stop being jealous.
Benco97 Gallente Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.14 19:01:00 - [148] BoB, I respect them, they've made some great moves with some good players. ASCN, Sorry, I couldn't care less, I don't like or dislike it's just.. "Meh" shrugs The above is not a view shared by my corp/anyone I know unless they say so themselves ;p "MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum
jarson Minmatar Cereal Killerz The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.12.14 19:01:00 - [149] Hate BoB like ASCN and BoB will you stay out of my back garden please you makeing a mess of my lawn :P ----------------------------------------------- MODS fill free to colour my sig :P Happy to oblige! - Cathath
Frug Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.14 19:02:00 - [150] Really interesting thread, this one. The BoB people posting are generally well spoken. Quote: Eve would be a lot duller place without it's proverbial dragon to go and fight And then of course there's some douches who are so busy insulting BoB over jokes (PS we're better than you - that was a joke, you douche) it's just sad. The only thing a BoB member has said so far that I disagree with, is that most of the people on these forums are mature and don't need everything explained to them. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - -

Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 19:07:00 - [151] Originally by: Frug The only thing a BoB member has said so far that I disagree with, is that most of the people on these forums are mature and don't need everything explained to them. I was playing to my audience, if I called out all the ****ers that post in here, the thread would get flamed to death Ok so that was a bit tongue in cheek as well but there's no point even acknowledging the idiots who post, ignore them, chat to the majority who might be passionate and express it badly sometimes but ultimately are a far more mature community than you'll find in a lot of other game's forums (in my opinion of course). Blog
Dirtball Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.14 19:10:00 - [152] They are both blobers kill em all. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2006.12.14 19:31:00 - [153] Edited by: Sinlare on 14/12/2006 19:32:20 Originally by: Dirtball They are both blobers kill em all. Worse then two big boring blob alliances are the single (or small group) elitist players, like Dirtball, that think they, and only they, are playing the game as it's supposed to be be played. And for some reason they think they have the right to constantly troll larger alliances or other groups, for exactly the same behaviour.
Frug Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.14 20:05:00 - [154] Yeah, ignoring them is probably the best way to deal. Alas, it is the sad truth that other mmorpgs have much worse audiences. Kingdom of Loathing makes you pass a basic mental test to gain access to their chat rooms. We need that. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - -
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.12.14 20:44:00 - [155] Why isn't this thread locked, or at the very least, in the Corps forum? Who gives a damn about either Alliance? Everyone looks the same to me, a nice, blue explosion waiting to happen. ---------------------------- Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY WTB: Friggin' portrait
Jane Spondogolo	Posted - 2006.12.14 21:17:00 - [156] Edited by: Jane Spondogolo on 14/12/2006 21:18:31 In both previous wars, the Band of Brothers seems to of spent an inordinate amount of time ad hominen attacking members of the other team on forums. I dunno. It just seems a bit jerk like to me. Now Im sure they are all swell blokes in real life, but the aparently anguished resignation of ASCN's chief suggests BOB would do well to take a pause and ask "Does this means justify this ends in the context of a real humans sadness at the other end of the network". Maybe folks just need to pick up the whole "dont be a jerk on the forums" thing a bit. I've seen racism towards chinese and russian players, name calling , stupid stupid stupid cheating allegations, oh god all sorts of nonsense, and at the end of the day folks have to take a step back and remember "Its just a game, but a game against real people". oh wow Im sermonising this thread into a derail! I guess I'm rooting for ASCN here. edit: I do realise much of it is just role playing , but a nasty roleplaying is still nasty.
Wrayth Osu Caldari Intergalactic House of Pi Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 21:25:00 - [157] Originally by: Nicocat Why isn't this thread locked, or at the very least, in the Corps forum? Who gives a damn about either Alliance? Everyone looks the same to me, a nice, blue explosion waiting to happen. Probably because peeps in NPC corps and the like can't post on the alliance board, as was mentioned in much earlier posts, but then based on the irrelevance of your comments I'd have to guess you didn't read any of this thread. ____________________________________________________________________ Wrayth - "These are not the carebears you are looking for." Pirate - "These are not the carebears we are looking for."
Jane Spondogolo	Posted - 2006.12.14 21:32:00 - [158] Originally by: Gus Morgan I saw the video of when BoB was killing off ASCNs titan and the current leader was yelling and swearing at its members like they were his B****es or slaves. I understand the need of control in such situations but listening to some idiotic kid with his head stuck up his ass over teamspeak everytime you log on doesn't seem like much fun to me. And I still believe EvE is about fun. Now, having just slated BOB for being meanies to ASCN, I'll tell you this, Having good discipline in combat is what makes a team win. I kid you not, but a bunch of 20 2 month newbies in misfit cruisers can wipe the floor with an equal sized team of hac pilots if the newbies have a disciplined and tactical fleet command and the hac pilots all have ADHD and no direction.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.12.14 21:37:00 - [159] Originally by: Wrayth Osu Originally by: Nicocat Why isn't this thread locked, or at the very least, in the Corps forum? Who gives a damn about either Alliance? Everyone looks the same to me, a nice, blue explosion waiting to happen. Probably because peeps in NPC corps and the like can't post on the alliance board, as was mentioned in much earlier posts, but then based on the irrelevance of your comments I'd have to guess you didn't read any of this thread. Nope, not a single post. I'm sick of BoB and ASCN threads. And NPC corps, while we're at it. ;) ---------------------------- Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY WTB: Friggin' portrait
Wrayth Osu Caldari Intergalactic House of Pi Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 21:50:00 - [160] I think it would be fair to say that each players perspective on "x" alliance probably has much more to do with who they've been associtated with during the course of thier time playing the game. For me that means I'm partial to ASCN and the other alliances in the "Coalition". When I first came out to 0.0 it was to Omist and while I've been in a few other places due to the shifting nature of politics in 0.0, Omist is where I consider home. When I finally went back to my personal corp I did what I had to do to get back to Omist. As a result I have now gotten to know many of the people in the alliances around me and become friends with them (some very good friends). My "allegiance" is now to those friendships and as such, anyone who is a threat to my friends is a threat to me. Outside of RA, I don't dislike any alliance (although the goonies are starting to get on my nerves ) There are many things about BoB and ASCN that I like, and things that I dislike. In the end, I think people will like or dislike those Alliances in direct proportion to the impact, either positively or negatively on their own game experience. Or in simple terms: If BoB beats ASCN and then decides to come make life difficult for me in my home region, then I'm probably going to start disliking them. If ASCN gets it's act together and beats them back then I'm prolly going to like them more, for the continued security they help provide. If BoB were to beat ASCN and leave us alone then I probably wouldn't have any reason to dislike them. It's all about the interaction you have with them. Peace. ____________________________________________________________________ Wrayth - "These are not the carebears you are looking for." Pirate - "These are not the carebears we are looking for."

Unknown Subject Sound of Silence	Posted - 2006.12.14 22:03:00 - [161] I hate BoB because they are so damn good at what they do =D BoB will win.
XoPhyte Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 22:06:00 - [162] Edited by: XoPhyte on 14/12/2006 22:38:46 Originally by: Arlenik Emmanouelik And when its all said and done, they build the thing and name it CYVOK, the name of the CEO of the executor corporation. Umm, it was named Steve. When you post something on Eve-O, you MAY want to get your facts straight first. The PILOTS name is (was) Cyvok, but the ships name was Steve. mmmkay? As for hating either alliance, sure, as long as you hate them IN GAME only. Seriously some people take this game WAY to seriously. You should play the game for fun, and nothing else. I don't hate Bob, they are simply a war target so I pew pew them a bit (and enjoy a pretty good kill vs loss ratio against them personally ). Yes they are very good at pvp (mainly through discipline and amazing FC's) and Sir Molle has laid out a very effective strategic direction for them both from a miliary and logistical standpoint (including the purchasing of a lot of very important T2 BPO's). ASCN was more based around freedom for it's members to decide what they like to do, not just pure pvp characters. Additionally ASCN does not have high taxes as someone else pointed out, seriously, most of you posting live in empire and have 0 experience with alliances from the looks of it. There are no "Alliance Dues" as some other alliances have. Anyway, love em or hate them, Alliances keep the game interesting. Anyway, enough Bob vs ASCN threads already. Oh, and I like where you are going blacklight. It would be kinda cool if there were unbiased (and please note the use of bold and underlining there) reports of wars going on in Eve. Makes the players have a better understanding of Eve politics and player dynamics. Would also help explain the amazing increase of prices in Nocxium in empire possibly due to this war. I think most people living in empire have no real idea how 0.0 works tbh. Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight
Xaintrix	Posted - 2006.12.14 22:31:00 - [163] 1. 9 out of 10 times I am not interested in the affairs between all the alliances from a gaming standpoint at this stage of my EVE career. With about 6 million skill points in, I'm more interested in developing a well-rounded character and player experience that I can then use to branch out into more involved operations. It IS interesting and a refreshing change of pace to read all the events going on compared to other MMOs where the only interesting thing to read are the patch notes once every 6 months. 2. The above said, I DO keep tabs on what goes on in the current area of space I work out of, neighboring areas, and will research any areas I plan on being in. It's one thing to be disinterested, but to not be informed is folly. Just because my character has (relatively) little experience doesn't mean as a player I can't be up to date. 3. The effect of Alliance warfare and political situation has been minimal for my particular gameplay. That could change radically as I get more involved with 0.0 of course. This is a good thing. It means one can carve out a nice living and get a solid foundation under one's feet without much concern and then get involved in Alliance affairs on one's own terms. 4. Word of mouth, reading forums. More importantly it's filtering out the he said/he said (come on, with as many real women in this game that's how it is) and having a working understanding that you only get A version of the truth rather than THE version of the truth. Keep that thought in mind as you get your information, have the least bit of common sense, and you'll be alright.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 23:50:00 - [164] I've enjoyed this thread so far, it's been a fun debate and pretty civil too compared to some. It's been particularly enlightening to see the views of uninvolved people who don't normally frequent the COAD section of the forum. Blog
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.15 00:10:00 - [165] In intergalactic politics "hate" is a luxury and emotions will be your doom. ASCN and BoB have a go at each other, I'd say just watch the show... carefully! Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
Col Callahan Caldari MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.15 00:17:00 - [166] Edited by: Col Callahan on 15/12/2006 00:18:24 WOW, Jsut WOW, I must have sparked something in eve to get respones like these, thank you all for your imput, I have learned a lot and the funnys were good to
Sigos	Posted - 2006.12.15 00:33:00 - [167] Originally by: Tasuric Orka i do think BOB has a sort of "cool and evil" aura surrounding them, kinda like "the empire" from star wars, unstoppable in a straight conflict. So we have to find Blacklight's son and have him assist in a massive frigate attack on their titan?
DoctorGonzo Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.15 00:34:00 - [168] Originally by: Blacklight There's a few large scale wars on around the south and the east of the map at the moment, perhaps not as monumental as some conflicts we've had in the past but fairly large none the less, so it'd be very interesting to hear how or indeed if the average Eve player notices. Actually, I would say it is by far and away the single largest conflict that either BoB or ASCN have been involved in - including the Great Northern War. The difference being that the GNW was the first taste of real emotion in EvE for a lot of BoB members (probably the same emotion that some of the ASCN players are experiencing right now). The current conflict is larger and more intense than the GNW - it just feels different for us 'old timers' as weÆve been there and done it before. Originally by: Blacklight I think Madeye and CRYVOK have delusions of adequacy!
Dumus Silver Service	Posted - 2006.12.15 00:53:00 - [169] Originally by: Alski Originally by: Col Short Quote: See BoB (1700 members) vs ASCN (In excess of 5000 before the war, now 4000) OK, ASCN, If these F##King numbers are right, get every man woman and child into a ship with a gun and send them to bob in 100 ship waves.....take it to them wile you still can, some one stand up and see if your going to lose defending then take the fight to them. you have the numbers. come on, FIGHT This is whatÆs wrong with almost every other alliance in the game, many thousands of members, but no collective will to fight. I have much respect for BoB, because they are the model of what every other alliance should be, and wants to be, but canÆt achieve... in fact they canÆt even recognise how to take the first steps to achieve it. IMHO One reason for BoBÆs success is in there name. Band Of Brothers says a lot about how they view themselves as a whole, take a look at the alliance page: Band of Brothers - BOB consists of 6 member corporations, 1710 pilots. Ascendant Frontier - ASCN consists of 25 member corporations, 4289 pilots. 1710 members over 6 corps > 4000+ over 25 corps. Unit Cohesion. In every alliance IÆve been in or had dealings with so far there is maybe 1 in 10 at best people who actually feel some allegiance and loyalty to the alliance, in BoB your corp IS the alliance as much as the corp next to you, extend that down to the individual pilots, add a thirst for PvP, good leadership and lots of SP, and excellent communication that a small number of corps naturally provides, and there you go û I highly doubt many alliances in Eve can say the same, and thatÆs why most of them suck. If youÆll excuse me now I have to go to the forum settings and switch off my alliance tag until this thread drops. QFT I dislike BoB because once they ****ed in an envelope, set fire to it and knocked on my door, I answered wearing my slippers and stamped on the flames to put them out. It was not a pleasant experience. When I was in VETO I can honestly say that, though some individuals were exceptional, most of the people in it were just your average PvPer. What makes them exceptional as a group is the ethic of "the corp comes first" and working as a team within a family atmosphere. Couple this with good leaders and you have a recipe for success. VETOs record stands for itself as does BoB's. BoB will continue to do win eve until such a day as others find this trick and go up against them with the same work ethic. Meanwhile I will continue to hate them -Dumus-
Val Amon Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.15 00:56:00 - [170] Originally by: Sochin We are constantly accused of using lame tactics to outright cheating to achieve our goals, and this actually really bothers some of us. Part of the annoyance is the disagreement over tactics, such as the use of spies. But being accused of outright cheating is something that really grinds at you, especially when you spend alot of time and effort to achieve your victories legitimately. So do the noble thing and quit. As of last week you guys cheated to beat ascn the same way you cheated to beat FA. You claim to like fights yet when presented with very questionable opportunities you jump on them. After the ascn pos fuel situation I have lost total respect for bob and anyone who flys under that banner. If you think you still deserve respect than quit.

General Zho Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.15 01:21:00 - [171] All big alliances have hateable things abou them so just kill them all...
Maximillian Pele Caldari Jewel Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.15 01:42:00 - [172] Interesting thread. I wouldn't be at all suprised if a great many pilots in EvE had absolutely no idea that events like the BoB vs ACSN war were occurring. Some people I know in game weren't even aware of the details of the new patch. For many others it is just a distant war between people they don't know and that has little impact on their activities in game. Then there are the spectators - people not involved in anyway who watch the spectacle and vicariously experience game play they themselves are highly unlikely to experience directly. Then there are the fanbois and the armchair generals who have attached themselves to the conflict and who hand out crticism and comments as if anyone cares. Anyone outside of the two alliances is pretty much reliant on this forum and various news items to have any idea what is going on. This is where the propaganda come in I assume. The people who really know what is going one is probably limited to the leadership of the corps and alliances involved. I fall into the "spectator" category I suspect. Almost any player who has an understanding of how hard it is to organise people to do anything, and particularly in a MMORG, can not help but be impressed by what BoB, ACSN, or any other of the big alliances have managed to achieve. When you can't lead by compulsion, you can only lead by charisma, dedication and hard work. I give respect where respect is due and I respect the alliance leaders for their in game achievements. As to love and hate, I don't love or hate either BoB or ACSN. I have no reason for either. I believe that both have a handful of forum "grubs" who are good at making stupid or arrogant comments and stoke up the flames, but individually I am sure that they are nice people (just avoid them in mobs). And I personally find "elites" within MMORGs amusing, hence my sig. In times of doubt I ask myself "What would BoB do?", and then do the opposite.
Retromash Minmatar Order of the Lamp	Posted - 2006.12.15 02:41:00 - [173] I have no opinion of BoB one way or the other, my paths haven't led me to stray into their guns. ASCN I also have no opinion on, even though I was a long time member of Celestial Horizon. I will say that the creation of ASCN and the actions of CLS directors were major factors in my decision to leave. PMS - It's not just for THAT time of the month What's On Your Plate?
Alvar Ursidae Amarr Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.15 02:46:00 - [174] I like BoB - some of them taste like marzipan!
Caledric Amarr Spectral Armada Eternal Empire	Posted - 2006.12.15 02:56:00 - [175] Personally I don't think anyone will "win" the war. I see ASCN being pushed down to maybe a few outposts or even out of 0.0 space all together... then BoB will get bored and go fight someone else, and ASCN will just plop all their outposts and stations right back up. As much as the BoB lapdogs would love to think they can... without BoB holding the territory, Xelas and FIX can't do anything to stop ASCN from moving right back in. ASCN has the sheer industrial and economic power to pretty much just laugh at this war. Just look at how they simply throw battleships at BoB. I've talked to a few of the BS pilots... their take on losing a battleship is so what? I've got 10 more sitting in my hangar already fitted and waiting, and to replace those 10 I have another 10 in production with mods to fit them with as we speak.
Col Callahan Caldari MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.15 03:02:00 - [176] ^ yep that sounds like ASCN to me
Weirda Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.15 03:18:00 - [177] Edited by: Weirda on 15/12/2006 03:37:31 Weirda like/dislike both entity, but respect both a great deal for what they achieve (fence sitting 4tw). BoB could do with lot less of the FOX news style forum posting - with a name like "Band of Brothers" and the honor, courage and valor (RL Stuff) that it invoke, BoB leadership should be extremely embarassed of themself (or change name to "O'Reilly Factor" or "Fair and Balanced" or something). The forum posting isn't intelligent or well done, it is just pure 13 year old bully. ASCN shouldn't try play that game on forum, they come off trying to explain self and it only make look worse... don't play BoB's forum game, you have lost that in spades. you are not a fighting alliance, you should be with all the space that you have - but it is not what you excel at (no knocks to good pilots - as a whole though, you are severely outclassed by BoB on battlefield in every way) in the end though - really hope that both side are having lot of fun with all of this, even if the forum have to suffer for it. the fights/planning/anticipation/all out carnage is what this all about kudos to both - may it last a long time! EDIT: Forgot to say, EVE is better for the both of you. These alliance push the content to the extreme and push the DEV to make EVE even more of a unique world! __ Weirda Join QotSA
slip66 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.15 03:29:00 - [178] Originally by: BobFromMarketing Most people hate BoB, as to why, most the reasons I see are just whiners. ASCN hasn't lost but our rigid command severely cripples us. nicely put, With the shake up in command things might change for you guys and its far from over. Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
Gierling Gallente Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.15 03:37:00 - [179] Edited by: Gierling on 15/12/2006 03:38:29 First off to clear up something STEVE= S.upreme T.actical E.fficacy VE.hicle Anyhow aside from the story gubbinness... I think it really comes down to playstyle, whats tolerated and what organizational differences arise therein. BOB are professionals, They play the game hard and demand a certain degree of participation. They are focused and determined and they pay thier money to be part of a competitive enterprise that performs well in the "sport" they choose. ASCN is by and large Casual players, they log on they make some jokes and frankly most of us pay our subs more for the pleasant company on teamspeak and the good bunch of folk to joke around with. There are exceptions of course and this is not an ultimate guide (There are many ASCN members who like competing, and I'm sure that the bobbits enjoy thier time together.) but it is a good look at the bedrock values. Both are perfectly valid organizational structures for a recreational organization (I don't think even Blacklight will disagree that corps are at heart recreational organizations). However they do have natural results as well. These result organically from the primary focus of the organizations. Anyhow I do not presupposse to know who will win, only that it will be a long drawn out process. As far as why don't people step in and stop Bob, well its complicated. PArt of it is that I don't think anyone ever really understood Cyvok (and thus ASCN's Diplomacy). He really takes the organization seriously, we are his friends and he'd do anything for his friends. (I'm not kidding, if I lost my job tomorrow and had no place to live I have no doubt Cy would be there for me as much as my friends I grew up with). Of course for all of his organizational talents, and all of his personal affability Cyvok was also a horrible communicator. If you knew him it was easy to get past, if you only had to deal with him in game over ingame things you probably thought he was oddball who couldnt spell (at best). For this reason a lot of entities in Eve really have no problem with watching him take one to the groin. Also theres the topic of Self Interest, there may be groups that are raring to take on BOB but they understand that it doesn't help thier "board position" to leave ASCN at full strength. As attractive as it is to be owed one by one of the most industrially capable forces in the game, it really doesn't do that much good unless you can ensure they're at the point where they are grateful enough for your help to remember it. Blacklight is right that it is impossible to kill an organization in this game, as many groups have risen from the ashes as have been immolated in the first place and I must say that as an ASCN member I have never seen so much productive change being made at the alliance as I have in the last few weeks. Whether or not it will be enough is frankly over my head, but I do think that ASCN has the potential to emerge form this much much stronger then anyone realises. I understand these political realities, I don't like them but I know from what they stem. Anyhow, I do disagree with some things though. I view the forums as Out of Game and by and large this is a common view in ASCN (Corp alliance discussion is an explicitly out of character forum, In character posts are relegated to the summit forum). So we are taking a lot of whats being said personally, the attitude we have is that the average Bobbin really dislikes us as human beings. It's not an unreasonable position, I always post out of Character and qualify it when otherwise with an "In Character" Tag of some sort. Bob leadership, and Molle in particular has never really displayed any sort of dichotomy. It is easier to assume that someone is Out of Character all of the time then to assume they are IN character in every post. Irregardless... PS, Manchester? Arsenal? What are they like the Yankees and the Mets of soccer? PSS, any spelling errors are a tribute to Cy and not me being lazy [
Ominus Decre The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.15 03:51:00 - [180] There are ass hats in both alliances. I have learned a lot from the BoB/ASCN war. Both good and bad. The take aways are more valuable then their weight in ISK. Not going to air dirty laundry in regards to either side. but i will say that i had fun. there are a lot of good players on both sides. i almost forgot: BOB splOitz!!1 Perversion:

Ozeki Angband	Posted - 2006.12.15 04:09:00 - [181] Originally by: Blacklight This might be a good opportunity to ask a few questions, for interest's sake, on a subject very close to my heart i.e. player driven content and it's impact on the player base at large. I suppose these questions are directed at the following groups of people (not exclusively but as examples) relatively new players to Eve who haven't had the chance to move out to 0.0 space yet, players who prefer to play Eve solo and stay largely in empire, members of small corporations run independantly of alliances in 0.0 etc. 1. Are you at all interested in what goes on between the player factions/alliances in Eve? 2. Do you know what is currently going on between player factions/alliances in Eve (in the broadest sense e.g. who controls what space, who are friends/enemies etc.) 3. Do the actions of player factions/alliances have any real impact on your Eve experience? 4. Where do you get your information about player driven content from e.g. the Player News Centre, the Intergalactic Summit, CAOD forum etc? There's a few large scale wars on around the south and the east of the map at the moment, perhaps not as monumental as some conflicts we've had in the past but fairly large none the less, so it'd be very interesting to hear how or indeed if the average Eve player notices. 1. Yes, quite interested. It's kind of like keeping up with the RL international news. 2. For the most part. Most of the smaller alliances I don't keep up with much, unless they are making a lot of noise. 3. A little bit. They effect the prices on loot and other assorted bits I sell in the marketplace. Also, reading about the political/military actions between factions is what solidified my decision to start playing EVE. It gives me something to aspire to take part in eventually once I get up to sufficient speed. 4. I get my information pretty much anywhere I can find it. The EVE-O boards, public alliance boards, I even keep track of the killboards.
Madcat Adams Mission Runners Anonymous Incorporated	Posted - 2006.12.15 04:31:00 - [182] I wouldn't necessarly say my feelings for BoB are hate, as much as just dislike. Back in my newb days always looked up to them, hoping to one day join. Then started my first lvl 4 missions out in low sec. Discovered BoB was a bit y, regularly attacking the system for the sole purpose of killing the mission runners, and finially they caught my ship as well. Would like to see them take some dmg, perhaps then they will concentrate on fighting wars and not raiding mission runners. ASCN ever has a open drive for pilots, I'd love a chance to even the score. The state of the war is BoB's winning the propoganda war, and making significant progress into ASCN space. It's not over yet, and looking forward to see how the new leadership affects their tactics. It's great being Amarr, ain't it? Aimez- "oh ****, this is empire......." Thanks for the loot, and next time you go out to pirate, carry more tech 2 plz =)
Dumeahs	Posted - 2006.12.15 04:46:00 - [183] Edited by: Dumeahs on 15/12/2006 04:46:57 Originally by: Blacklight This might be a good opportunity to ask a few questions, for interest's sake, on a subject very close to my heart i.e. player driven content and it's impact on the player base at large. I suppose these questions are directed at the following groups of people (not exclusively but as examples) relatively new players to Eve who haven't had the chance to move out to 0.0 space yet, players who prefer to play Eve solo and stay largely in empire, members of small corporations run independantly of alliances in 0.0 etc. 1. Are you at all interested in what goes on between the player factions/alliances in Eve? Yes. It gives me something to read at work, which can be dreadfully boring at times However, as we are really (very small corp) just getting started, we like to take a look at what is going on in other regions and areas that we are interested in one day visiting. Quote: 2. Do you know what is currently going on between player factions/alliances in Eve (in the broadest sense e.g. who controls what space, who are friends/enemies etc.) For the most part. Though the GW area seems to be one huge cluster #&^$ at the moment. Again, it helps when you are trying to move into 0.0, or at least have a home base that is close to a choke point going in who to be friends with at the time and who not to have standings with. I know that we hav been working with other groups/alliances involved in territory conflicts, and yes, we actually have standings set with both groups...we just don't let them know that Quote: 3. Do the actions of player factions/alliances have any real impact on your Eve experience? Yes and no. I'd love to really get into some 0.0 space and explore and possible do somethings there while not being involved in alliance. Not a huge fan of them. For me the MMO is a chance to play with friends online and interact with others when the need arises. But having to pay someone an exorbinent (sp) cost just to be there is a tad silly. At least I think so. Especially considering that we get out of it is a lot less than what we would paying. Quote: 4. Where do you get your information about player driven content from e.g. the Player News Centre, the Intergalactic Summit, CAOD forum etc? All over those forums really. Each section has different info that is useful when compiling things. Of course, there are holes that we try to fill on our own (mwd'd slasher fitted for light fast travel to take a look around does wonders - granted cov ops would be better...not there yet) just by taking a chance and running the gates to different areas. I actually did make a 114 jump round trip view to different areas. Even made it BoB space...was disappointed that I didn't see anyone! Quote: There's a few large scale wars on around the south and the east of the map at the moment, perhaps not as monumental as some conflicts we've had in the past but fairly large none the less, so it'd be very interesting to hear how or indeed if the average Eve player notices. Since we are close to this conflict in particular, we do pay close attention to this. I think overall, we don't have any interest in joining in an alliance...1, my wife puts up with this as it is, since many use TS, that is not an option...that would really put her over the top and yank wires out of places. 2, I play casually. I don't have the time to really put into an alliance, but I enjoy this game a lot, it's open endedness and the genre. I have don't dislike either one of the two alliances. They have no real consequence on what I do or don't do in game. I will say, the first posts I saw from them kinda turned me off (when I first started 8 months ago), but in the last few weeks, my respect for them has grown. They are good at what they do and have no problems telling you that. It's just honesty and pride in what they do. No harm in that really.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.12.16 02:59:00 - [184] BoB: has recruited and accepted players that I don't respect at all. ASCN: has recruited players that I hold the utmost respect for. Now I relize that It is just a small slice of there allaince, but in my mind, the kind of people you recruit is very indicative of your alliance. You are judged by the company you keep.
Colb	Posted - 2006.12.16 03:33:00 - [185] BoB has won the war. ASCN should start considering how to win the next war.
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.16 03:48:00 - [186] Originally by: Colb BoB has won the war. ASCN should start considering how to win the next war. This seems premature when ASCN still has quite alot of space we can take from them and is still 2x our size. Whenever possible we like to ensure our enemies do not get out of our war capable of winning another. Nemo me impune lacessit
Xooja The Illucian Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:10:00 - [187] Edited by: Xooja on 17/12/2006 19:15:42 Originally by: Gierling BOB are professionals, They play the game hard and demand a certain degree of participation. They are focused and determined and they pay thier money to be part of a competitive enterprise that performs well in the "sport" they choose. ASCN is by and large Casual players, they log on they make some jokes and frankly most of us pay our subs more for the pleasant company on teamspeak and the good bunch of folk to joke around with. There are exceptions of course and this is not an ultimate guide (There are many ASCN members who like competing, and I'm sure that the bobbits enjoy thier time together.) but it is a good look at the bedrock values. I respect BoB for that level of dedication and the organizational model they use (dedicated core invite only and parterning with other alliances to add to their overall ability). They're one of the alliances that play the bad in good vs bad and they do it pretty well. They extend their dedication to outwith the game by building relationships with other Eve players at fanfests, pub nights etc which also gives them opportunities to discuss plans and tactics away from the distraction of the game and gives them more press coverage at events like the fanfests. I always play the good side in games so I'm only hoping there's an alliance on the good side up to stopping BoB before they take over the entire eve map
Izo Azlion Veto.	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:54:00 - [188] Originally by: DeadProphet everybody hates us, and ASCN haven't lost the war (yet! :D) Thats basically right. Lol. Doesnt mean to say I dont respect each alliances achievements, however... <3 Izo Azlion. --- Cortes owned my Sig. :/
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:59:00 - [189] Its rare to see a bob/ASCN war topic that does not require a flame suit. I would say Bob follows closely The Art of War, you may flame them for what they do, you may yell all sort of things at them, but in the end. If you read that little bit of ancient text, you suddenly realize why they do it. Everything has a value and purpose, non bob members commenting about them, feeds the machine, gives them a larger than life feel. Followed by a string of sound military victories, bob has a edge on the battlefield right there, the battle is won in your mind not on the battlefield. Frankly you got to give credit to the bob guys some times, they get flamed all over the place and accused of some things, almost all the time. If you got insulted 24/7(at least what I see on the forums in COAD), you are going to get defensive and you may even lash out a little at times. But remember the sheer amount of Flak bob takes. ASCN has their flaws, but credit should always be given, they worked hard to build something out there, outpost and titans, they hold a lot of space, and if you think about it, they were good enough to where only BOB could deal with them. ASCN greatest problem, is not the war with bob, but the flaws in the system that the bob/ascn war brought out, because the war can easily kill an alliance, solving these problems became secondary to winning the war, and I feel ASCN while fighting the good fight, could have fought better if they manage to resolve their internal conflicts. Credit really goes to both sides for their effort, bob is not bullying a small corp/alliance, they took the effort to fight a real foe out there. ASCN for lasting as long as they have so far, I would think a lesser alliance would fall through pretty fast. ----------- Management and Leadership
Vladimir Ilych Hidden Industrial Group	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:06:00 - [190] I have never met an ASCN or BOB member. Both seem very good at what they do but BOB (to am outsider) seem to have better organisation / command

Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:14:00 - [191] Originally by: Vladimir Ilych I have never met an ASCN or BOB member. Both seem very good at what they do but BOB (to am outsider) seem to have better organisation / command o/ Now you've met an ASCN member --------------------------------- Bah, I broke my edited sig!
Minikrimi Extreme Caldari Essence Privateers	Posted - 2006.12.17 22:23:00 - [192] Originally by: Blacklight This might be a good opportunity to ask a few questions, for interest's sake, on a subject very close to my heart i.e. player driven content and it's impact on the player base at large. I suppose these questions are directed at the following groups of people (not exclusively but as examples) relatively new players to Eve who haven't had the chance to move out to 0.0 space yet, players who prefer to play Eve solo and stay largely in empire, members of small corporations run independantly of alliances in 0.0 etc. 1. Are you at all interested in what goes on between the player factions/alliances in Eve? 2. Do you know what is currently going on between player factions/alliances in Eve (in the broadest sense e.g. who controls what space, who are friends/enemies etc.) 3. Do the actions of player factions/alliances have any real impact on your Eve experience? 4. Where do you get your information about player driven content from e.g. the Player News Centre, the Intergalactic Summit, CAOD forum etc? There's a few large scale wars on around the south and the east of the map at the moment, perhaps not as monumental as some conflicts we've had in the past but fairly large none the less, so it'd be very interesting to hear how or indeed if the average Eve player notices. 1) Most definitely I am interested in alliances and factions, my character is a Gallante partisan and views deep space alliances as either potentially deadly foes to the Empires, or potentially devestating allies against the Jovian-CONCORD conspiracy to control humanity. 2) I download the Alliance Territoriality map on a regular basis, despite not planning on going out there. It's handy for advising others on where to go to contact various potential new homes when pilots get bored with Empire. 3)They most definitely impact my gameplay. It was mentioned last night that apparently there is one faction (which I will leave unnamed on the forums) making tremendous purchases in a certain region, and apparently this has to do with the building of certain combat-oriented ships. Thus, there is market opportunity for industrialists. I am not an industrialist, but I am a small-time market reseller and thus this impacts me. The market is as much a part of pvp, and fortunes can be won or lost based on the activities of certain large alliances. 4) I get my news from various sources-- official news from CCP, the GalNet, chats in-game, etc. Simply because I choose to play the Gallente nationalist and idealist does not mean that I don't find the rest of Eve to be just as enthralling, it is more a matter of choosing one of a huge numbers of possibilities. On an old account, I was in a corp with someone who repeated time and again, You can be anything you want in Eve, but you can't be everything. Simply because someone chooses one path does not mean zero interest in anything else, and knowledge of one's environment is critical in an ever-changing world.


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