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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2015.09.03 21:09:01 -
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Let it be know to the denizens of C&P that Domino Vyse has made good on my set terms in order to restore his sullied e-honor.
Two ships enter...one ship leaves.
Good fight, and I hope you can sleep well at night again.
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Domino Vyse
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
348
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Posted - 2015.09.03 21:18:20 -
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Thankyou Sir.
It was a great fight, and I am now off to bed to catch up on some lost zzz's |
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
260
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Posted - 2015.09.03 21:43:07 -
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Would pay isk to see Moa of that action. GF to both parties.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2396
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Posted - 2015.09.03 21:48:00 -
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StonerPhReaK wrote:Would pay isk to see Moa of that action. GF to both parties. I perpetually find myself underestimating the blaster Moa. I'm still used to pre-tiericide Moas with the range bonus. They can't match the raw DPS or application of a Thorax...but DAT TANK....
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1403
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Posted - 2015.09.03 22:11:25 -
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I luvs my blaster Moa.......:)
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Domino Vyse
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
352
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Posted - 2015.09.04 05:14:59 -
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Moa's tank was LSE, XLASB, and Improved Blue Pill. I'll post the full fit when I'm not on mobile. |
Valkin Mordirc
1457
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Posted - 2015.09.04 05:59:49 -
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Why do you mix drones and damage types Bronson?
At first I thought it was to counter reactive armor hardeners, but is that it?
#DeleteTheWeak
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Zimmy Zeta
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
59539
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Posted - 2015.09.04 06:23:58 -
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And here is why Bronson Hughes never had a real chance:
1. Go to Google 2. Type "Domino Vyse" into serach bar 3. Show images 4. Drag and drop Dom's avatar picture into the search bar again for reverse image search 5. Scroll down the results until you get to the "visually similar " images 6. Google knows the truth.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2408
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Posted - 2015.09.04 12:53:31 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Why do you mix drones and damage types Bronson?
At first I thought it was to counter reactive armor hardeners, but is that it? Not specifically to counter reactive hardeners, but it does help with them. I like to have a good mix of tracking, speed, and damage types. On laser boats I tend to favor explosive and kinetic drones, on rail boats I tend to favor explosive and EM, etc. I still know far too many people who just load up on thermal drones because they have the highest DPS in EFT and ignore the fact that they are the slowest, have the worst range (i.e. are often fighting in falloff), and arguably the most tanked damage type.
Having said all of that, on boats that allow room, I will keep things like spare flights of Warriors or Acolytes to deal with fast movers because they're just so bloody good at it, but I tend to not use homogeneous drone flights for general PvP.
Zimmy Zeta wrote:And here is why Bronson Hughes never had a real chance: 1. Go to Google 2. Type "Domino Vyse" into serach bar 3. Show images 4. Drag and drop Dom's avatar picture into the search bar again for reverse image search 5. Scroll down the results until you get to the "visually similar " images 6. Google knows the truth. I'm sorry, you may have missed this.
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Zimmy Zeta
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
59540
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Posted - 2015.09.04 16:22:10 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:And here is why Bronson Hughes never had a real chance: 1. Go to Google 2. Type "Domino Vyse" into serach bar 3. Show images 4. Drag and drop Dom's avatar picture into the search bar again for reverse image search 5. Scroll down the results until you get to the "visually similar " images 6. Google knows the truth. I'm sorry, you may have missed this.
I did indeed watch that fight, and it was one of the best (and longest) cruiser fights I've ever seen. Here's to hoping that I've learned something from watching it to become a little better myself. That Google image thing is just something I stumbled upon at work just today (life sucks pretty hard right now, have to work over shifts and didn't get to log into the game for a week now) and I found it hilarious. I did various characters, but scoring a "Batman" is the clear winner. According to Google, Bronson's picture is visually similar to Denzel Wahsington's Equalizer, Zimmy gets some strange weeaboo crap and Leto Thule scored an Arnold.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2410
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Posted - 2015.09.04 16:35:14 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:I did indeed watch that fight, and it was one of the best (and longest) cruiser fights I've ever seen. Here's to hoping that I've learned something from watching it to become a little better myself. That Google image thing is just something I stumbled upon at work just today (life sucks pretty hard right now, have to work over shifts and didn't get to log into the game for a week now) and I found it hilarious. I did various characters, but scoring a "Batman" is the clear winner. According to Google, Bronson's picture is visually similar to Denzel Wahsington's Equalizer, Zimmy gets some strange weeaboo crap and Leto Thule scored an Arnold. Ahh. I didn't see the Batman image, so I didn't get the joke. Well played. I would never want to fight Batman...unless I was Chuck Norris.
Yes, these Thunderdome matches have been highly educational and there's more of them on my YouTube channel if you're interested. I've won up to this point mainly on theorycrafting, but my recent losses just go to prove that theorcraft will only get you so far. I need lots more practice.
At this point I'm torn between the desire to learn and the desire to win. I know how to fit ships that are very likely to win. Drone monsters, fast kiters, etc. I need to learn to fly ships that aren't a sure thing, brawlers in particular. After this bracket, I want to focus on that instead of winning.
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Domino Vyse
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
360
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Posted - 2015.09.04 17:06:23 -
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I racked my brains trying to come up with the right fit for our fight. The main thing I learned is that no matter what fit you bring, there is always a counter to it, particularly with T1 ships. There is a huge cointoss element to organised fights.
I was undecided between a dual damp Moa, to defend against kiters, or the dual web one that I did bring. The fact is, if I brought dual damps, the vexor would have won. If I brought all sentries in the Ishtar vs Orthrus fight, I would have likely won, but would have lost vs another brawler.
The only way to really decide who the better pilot is, is to fight over multiple rounds. But even then, if you get lucky and bring the counter each time then you will likely win regardless of player skill. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2412
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Posted - 2015.09.04 17:38:24 -
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Domino Vyse wrote:The only way to really decide who the better pilot is, is to fight over multiple rounds. But even then, if you get lucky and bring the counter each time then you will likely win regardless of player skill. This is precisely why I have no illusions of being some sort of crack pilot despite my many Thunderdome victories. I am, at best, an average pilot who happens to be good at theorycraft and is willing to think outside of the box.
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Leto Thule
Everywhere and Terrible
3544
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Posted - 2015.09.04 20:38:50 -
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Batman?
Batman ******* sucks.
Ironman FTW.
Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Switch Savage
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
181
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Posted - 2015.09.08 15:03:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Domino Vyse wrote:The only way to really decide who the better pilot is, is to fight over multiple rounds. But even then, if you get lucky and bring the counter each time then you will likely win regardless of player skill. This is precisely why I have no illusions of being some sort of crack pilot despite my many Thunderdome victories. I am, at best, an average pilot who happens to be good at theorycraft and is willing to think outside of the box.
Can i just ask and I am not meaning to be mean when i ask this. What was the goal with that Vexor? It is one of the weirdest (not in a good way) fits i have ever seen.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2438
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Posted - 2015.09.08 15:34:26 -
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Switch Savage wrote:Can i just ask and I am not meaning to be mean when i ask this. What was the goal with that Vexor? It is one of the weirdest (not in a good way) fits i have ever seen.
No problem, it is definitely a bit of a weird fit if you don't know my thinking.
I wanted to try something a bit different for this fight. I still fit and fought to win mind you, but my first few fits that I came up with were boring, kitey fits that I had already done before.
My thought process was this:
1. Engage at any reasonable range. This generally excluded short range weapons, although I did consider pulse lasers with Scorch. 2. Reasonable EWar resistance. This generally favored drones and missiles (FoF), or fitting counter EWar myself (ECCM, SeBo, or damps of my own). 3. AB/scram/web to counter MWD brawlers. This would let me avoid things like blasters while dictating traversal to let rails with Javelin land hits.
Drones won out in my mind, so that pretty much meant a Vexor. The rest of my fit fell in from there.
What killed me was one piece of theorycraft that I didn't anticipate: dual webs. Domino landed right on top of me and even with my AB, I just couldn't get away from his blasters.
Two things that I could have done differently from a piloting standpoint would be to orbit at 0 to mess up his tracking and let my drones do the work instead of opening up range, or be traveling at speed when he warped to me so that he couldn't start out that close. (Oh, not to mention overheating ANYTHING AT ALL....)
From a theorycraft standpoint, neuts would have likely rained all over his parade, as would have a fast, kitey missile fit.
Keep in mind, when fitting for a no tackle necessary, prearranged, 1v1 fight with perfect warp-in ability, fits that wouldn't work in other situations (like mine) are totally viable. I still contend that if I had flown this fit better I could have won, but I knew going into it that not being the one dictating range was a significant risk.
Hope this helps. Check out the "History of Thunderdome" link in my sig for a lot of the lessons we've learned when fighting under similar circumstances.
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Switch Savage
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
181
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Posted - 2015.09.08 15:53:57 -
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I appreciate you need to cover a lot of scenarios but Imo you tried to cover too many eventualities and you would have lost to pretty much any T1 cruiser fit. A standard dual rep Vexor would have been better in all eventualities.
Why?
1) If he was any MWD kite fit outside of maybe a stabber (which you could have tanked forever) a dual rep Vexor would get a slingshot eventually or killed him with light drones alone.
2) If he was any drone ship and you suspected neuts you could have kited him doing solid damage with drones alone and gone in for the kill when you felt like it.
3) You win vs just about any T1 cruiser brawler outside of pure gank, no ehp Thorax.
Onto his Moa fit specifically I presume he had an AB and no scram so in this situation you would have had full range control and easily pulled range with a heated MWD pulse before he locked you (assuming you have to both start at zero).
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2438
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Posted - 2015.09.08 16:00:54 -
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Switch Savage wrote:A standard dual rep Vexor would have been better in all eventualities. A dual-rep, nos-neut Vexor was something I considered. But, like I said, I wanted to try something new, not something that I've flown before. You don't learn anything by always flying what you know is going to win.
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Switch Savage
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
181
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Posted - 2015.09.08 16:03:34 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Switch Savage wrote:A standard dual rep Vexor would have been better in all eventualities. A dual-rep, nos-neut Vexor was something I considered. But, like I said, I wanted to try something new, not something that I've flown before. You don't learn anything by always flying what you know is going to win.
True that. |
Domino Vyse
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
368
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Posted - 2015.09.08 17:41:25 -
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Here's the Moa fit by the way. Dies to neuts and kiters. Since Bronson had already brought a few kiters, I banked on the fact that he would change it up. Luckily it paid off.
[Moa, Dominoa] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Co-Processor II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 50MN Microwarpdrive II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Hobgoblin II x3
Null M x2000 Void M x2000 Navy Cap Booster 400 x32 Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M x1000
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2516
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Posted - 2015.09.08 18:12:56 -
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Domino Vyse wrote:Here's the Moa fit by the way. Dies to neuts and kiters. Since Bronson had already brought a few kiters, I banked on the fact that he would change it up. Luckily it paid off. A bet well placed sir.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc.
2002
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Posted - 2015.09.14 11:16:58 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Domino Vyse wrote:Here's the Moa fit by the way. Dies to neuts and kiters. Since Bronson had already brought a few kiters, I banked on the fact that he would change it up. Luckily it paid off. A bet well placed sir. Speaking of bets somebody still owes me 50mil isk... unless its buried in the stupid amount of transactions that have moved through my characters wallets in the last 3 days for 'reasons' in which case call me out for this dishonourable calling out and we cna have ourselves a little match
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Domino Vyse
Viziam Amarr Empire
379
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Posted - 2015.09.18 10:08:07 -
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Just to let you guys know, im selling Domino. Chelsea Dagger X is my new main, so adjust standings accordingly. |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
171
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Posted - 2015.09.19 00:30:05 -
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*huzzah* props and kudos to you both.
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Dato Koppla
Kiwis In Space No Points Necessary
883
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Posted - 2015.09.19 04:11:17 -
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No heat on the MAAR, clicking approach on a blaster Moa while having rails guns and range control with an AB, no heat on the guns.
Could have been a much better fight. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2556
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Posted - 2015.09.19 12:24:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:No heat on the MAAR, clicking approach on a blaster Moa while having rails guns and range control with an AB, no heat on the guns.
Could have been a much better fight. Totally agree. But, in my defense:
1. I was clicking approach as he was landing because I wasn't sure how far away he was going to land, and I wanted to be in tackle range (200mm rails + Javelin = ~7km optimal). I was expecting a MWD fit, so was expecting to be able to dictate range with scram/web/AB. I wasn't expecting a dual web fit, which utterly screwed me. 2. I totally forgot to overheat anything, which I already kicked myself for above. Noob maneuver on my part.
I shoulda just gone with my neut fit and been done with it.
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Dato Koppla
Kiwis In Space No Points Necessary
884
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Posted - 2015.09.20 04:54:37 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:No heat on the MAAR, clicking approach on a blaster Moa while having rails guns and range control with an AB, no heat on the guns.
Could have been a much better fight. Totally agree. But, in my defense: 1. I was clicking approach as he was landing because I wasn't sure how far away he was going to land, and I wanted to be in tackle range (200mm rails + Javelin = ~7km optimal). I was expecting a MWD fit, so was expecting to be able to dictate range with scram/web/AB. I wasn't expecting a dual web fit, which utterly screwed me. 2. I totally forgot to overheat anything, which I already kicked myself for above. Noob maneuver on my part. I shoulda just gone with my neut fit and been done with it.
You actually did have range control even though it was minor. Ab/Scram/Web beats MWD/Double Web for range control purposes, you could have slowly slowboated further and further away. Yeah the heating was a big deal for sure.
Meh, I understand, it's rare that fights are executed perfectly, everyone usually finds a way to mess up in a heated fight.
Also neut Vexor would have completely screwed the Moa over. Moas tend to be very susceptible to cap warfare due to not having a utility high for nos and not having utility mids for cap booster. |
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