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WALAMOSHU
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.04 03:02:35 -
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Hi yall. I'm bout almost done training for the Phoenix :) :), and I wanted some insight for proper fittings for C5s. Can somma yall be so kind enough and give me an honest vedict on my solo C5 Phoenix fit pretty please?
Phoenix C5 Smasher Fit
Highs Citadel Torpedo Launcher I ~ guritas inferno citadel torpedos Citadel Torpedo Launcher I ~ guritas inferno citadel torpedos Citadel Torpedo Launcher I ~ guritas inferno citadel torpedos Siege Module II
Mids Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Capital Shield Booster I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Phase Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phase Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Lows Damage Control II Republic Fleet Ballistic Control System Republic Fleet Ballistic Control System Missile Guidance Enhancer II Missile Guidance Enhancer II
Rigs Capital Capacitor Control Circuit II Capital Capacitor Control Circuit II Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I |
Michael1995
Lazerhawks
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Posted - 2015.09.04 03:40:39 -
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Setup an Armageddon Navy Issue in EFT, and fit 3 Overdrives to it. Voila you have a replica Sleepless Guardian in EFT. Use the DPS graph to answer your question.
Note that paints/webs are automatically calculated by it, so you don't need to put anything in projected effects.
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Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
4627
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Posted - 2015.09.04 07:45:12 -
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Sure why not, warp it to a site.
There is no Bob.
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NovaCat13
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.04 14:53:47 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Sure why not, warp it to a site.
Real men hull tank, er field test. |
Kalel Nimrott
The Dingus Coalition
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Posted - 2015.09.05 02:45:42 -
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Pithum C-types? REALLY?
Bob Artis, you will be missed.
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Thron Legacy
White Zulu Scorpion Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.08 14:00:57 -
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it only works with turret-based ships /thread |
Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.09.08 14:22:48 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:Pithum C-types? REALLY? pithum specifics are SUPER cheap, invuln isn't that bad, only 257m
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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KC Kamikaze
Black Dragon Elite
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Posted - 2015.09.08 14:33:34 -
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Solo phoenix anywhere but a pulsar will not work and even in a pulsar you'll need a freighter full of stront to do full clears.
Buy a moros pilot - print isk |
Kynric
Sky Fighters
349
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Posted - 2015.09.08 14:50:46 -
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Solo pheonix is possible in a blackhole. That said the results are much better if you include some friends.
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Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
4640
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Posted - 2015.09.08 18:15:20 -
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I've still cunfused as to why someone voluntarily trained a Phoenix as their first dread...
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KC Kamikaze
Black Dragon Elite
124
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Posted - 2015.09.08 19:00:52 -
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I really wish i had an argument against hating on the phoenix but i don't. I turned my phoenix pilot into a chimera pilot |
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2015.09.08 22:48:09 -
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Jack Miton wrote:I've still cunfused as to why someone voluntarily trained a Phoenix as their first dread...
They probably already had cruise missile V & very ****** gun skills. Also never bothered to read about the sov changes. |
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.09 02:17:47 -
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I do like how this thread completely and utterly crushed OPs dreams of phoniex isk printing glory..
and he trained so hard too..
poor fella
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WALAMOSHU
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.09 06:32:49 -
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KC Kamikaze wrote:I really wish i had an argument against hating on the phoenix but i don't. I turned my phoenix pilot into a chimera pilot
I was told that the Phoenix was the best C5 solo Dread over a year ago, were they lying? I hate people lying to me. I'll quit this friggin game if my Phoenix actually sucks.
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KC Kamikaze
Black Dragon Elite
125
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Posted - 2015.09.10 02:53:27 -
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WALAMOSHU wrote:KC Kamikaze wrote:I really wish i had an argument against hating on the phoenix but i don't. I turned my phoenix pilot into a chimera pilot I was told that the Phoenix was the best C5 solo Dread over a year ago, were they lying? I hate people lying to me. I'll quit this friggin game if my Phoenix actually sucks.
For solo dread the Moros is hands down the best one and I don't mean like 5% better than a nag or rev .. it's like 50% better dps.
The phoenix is the worst. It has it's place in structure grinding and having ridiculous tank or blapping n00bs if your character name contains some combination of lord and servant, but none of those things help you kill sleepers. |
Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
4642
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Posted - 2015.09.10 08:10:46 -
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WALAMOSHU wrote:KC Kamikaze wrote:I really wish i had an argument against hating on the phoenix but i don't. I turned my phoenix pilot into a chimera pilot I was told that the Phoenix was the best C5 solo Dread over a year ago, were they lying? I hate people lying to me. I'll quit this friggin game if my Phoenix actually sucks. Can I have your stuff?
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WALAMOSHU
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.10 08:46:03 -
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KC Kamikaze wrote:WALAMOSHU wrote:KC Kamikaze wrote:I really wish i had an argument against hating on the phoenix but i don't. I turned my phoenix pilot into a chimera pilot I was told that the Phoenix was the best C5 solo Dread over a year ago, were they lying? I hate people lying to me. I'll quit this friggin game if my Phoenix actually sucks. For solo dread the Moros is hands down the best one and I don't mean like 5% better than a nag or rev .. it's like 50% better dps. The phoenix is the worst. It has it's place in structure grinding and having ridiculous tank or blapping n00bs if your character name contains some combination of lord and servant, but none of those things help you kill sleepers.
WOW.......like just WOW. I should've never listened to those idiots on reddit. They were going on and on about the Phoenix not needing any tracking mods and can fit full tank + Dps and own C5s. It's not fair, missiles suppose to be the best weapon system for PVE so why is the Phoenix so bad? Now what......., you said you turned yours into a Chimera? How long will that take and what is the Chimera good for? |
WALAMOSHU
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.10 08:50:48 -
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Jack Miton wrote:WALAMOSHU wrote:KC Kamikaze wrote:I really wish i had an argument against hating on the phoenix but i don't. I turned my phoenix pilot into a chimera pilot I was told that the Phoenix was the best C5 solo Dread over a year ago, were they lying? I hate people lying to me. I'll quit this friggin game if my Phoenix actually sucks. Can I have your stuff?
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Kynric
Sky Fighters
349
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Posted - 2015.09.10 12:34:50 -
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WALAMOSHU wrote:KC Kamikaze wrote:WALAMOSHU wrote:KC Kamikaze wrote:I really wish i had an argument against hating on the phoenix but i don't. I turned my phoenix pilot into a chimera pilot I was told that the Phoenix was the best C5 solo Dread over a year ago, were they lying? I hate people lying to me. I'll quit this friggin game if my Phoenix actually sucks. For solo dread the Moros is hands down the best one and I don't mean like 5% better than a nag or rev .. it's like 50% better dps. The phoenix is the worst. It has it's place in structure grinding and having ridiculous tank or blapping n00bs if your character name contains some combination of lord and servant, but none of those things help you kill sleepers. WOW.......like just WOW. I should've never listened to those idiots on reddit. They were going on and on about the Phoenix not needing any tracking mods and can fit full tank + Dps and own C5s. It's not fair, missiles suppose to be the best weapon system for PVE so why is the Phoenix so bad? Now what......., you said you turned yours into a Chimera? How long will that take and what is the Chimera good for?
Pheonix is really strong in a black hole. Just move there and ignore tge negativity. I'm sure it will work out just fine until some hunts you down because solo is an easy mark and dreads are tasty. Better yet find others to join rather than trying to do eve alone. |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
431
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Posted - 2015.09.10 14:49:43 -
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Some funny **** in this thread.
Cap is something to remember. Moro's eats cap for breakfast even when not dropped. Once dropped and neuts on field. Hell even Sleepers can cap things out if your not watching. Then your boned.
Moros however does have a bit more DPS than the rest and for the most part enough range to not matter. But i love my naglfar, it means a ship made out of nails. Toe nails and fingernails of the dead that is! Clearly the coolest dread in the game. And it is easier/cheaper to shield tank (we live in a pulsar).
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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Samantha Elroy
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
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Posted - 2015.09.10 16:53:59 -
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Jack Miton wrote:I've still cunfused as to why someone voluntarily trained a Phoenix as their first dread...
Morale SuperDrake
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Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
4642
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Posted - 2015.09.10 18:08:38 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:And it is easier/cheaper to shield tank (we live in a pulsar). are shield mods cheaper if you promise to put them on a Naglfar? have I been shopping wrong all this time?
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KC Kamikaze
Black Dragon Elite
125
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Posted - 2015.09.10 19:19:48 -
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WALAMOSHU wrote:KC Kamikaze wrote:WALAMOSHU wrote:KC Kamikaze wrote:I really wish i had an argument against hating on the phoenix but i don't. I turned my phoenix pilot into a chimera pilot I was told that the Phoenix was the best C5 solo Dread over a year ago, were they lying? I hate people lying to me. I'll quit this friggin game if my Phoenix actually sucks. For solo dread the Moros is hands down the best one and I don't mean like 5% better than a nag or rev .. it's like 50% better dps. The phoenix is the worst. It has it's place in structure grinding and having ridiculous tank or blapping n00bs if your character name contains some combination of lord and servant, but none of those things help you kill sleepers. WOW.......like just WOW. I should've never listened to those idiots on reddit. They were going on and on about the Phoenix not needing any tracking mods and can fit full tank + Dps and own C5s. It's not fair, missiles suppose to be the best weapon system for PVE so why is the Phoenix so bad? Now what......., you said you turned yours into a Chimera? How long will that take and what is the Chimera good for?
First don't listen to Kynric. Even in a black hole the phoenix is still bad. He has obviously never used a moros. Can the phoenix be used? Yes. But it's like 10 minutes work for each wave compared to 2 minutes in a moros.
Depending on the jump and drone skills you already have trained it might not take too long. You could use him to trigger another escalation wave when you run sites.
Keep your phoenix though if you live in a pulsar cause eventually DuraLexx will come knocking and a phoenix isn't bad for dread blapping. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
2726
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Posted - 2015.09.10 23:55:40 -
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I dunno, I have been honing my solo Peenix for C4 BH soloing.
It's like a Golem. But cheaper.
Doctor Prince Field Marshall of Prolapse. Alliance and Grand Sasquatch of Bob
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WALAMOSHU
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.09.11 04:13:39 -
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KC Kamikaze wrote:WALAMOSHU wrote:KC Kamikaze wrote:WALAMOSHU wrote:KC Kamikaze wrote:I really wish i had an argument against hating on the phoenix but i don't. I turned my phoenix pilot into a chimera pilot I was told that the Phoenix was the best C5 solo Dread over a year ago, were they lying? I hate people lying to me. I'll quit this friggin game if my Phoenix actually sucks. For solo dread the Moros is hands down the best one and I don't mean like 5% better than a nag or rev .. it's like 50% better dps. The phoenix is the worst. It has it's place in structure grinding and having ridiculous tank or blapping n00bs if your character name contains some combination of lord and servant, but none of those things help you kill sleepers. WOW.......like just WOW. I should've never listened to those idiots on reddit. They were going on and on about the Phoenix not needing any tracking mods and can fit full tank + Dps and own C5s. It's not fair, missiles suppose to be the best weapon system for PVE so why is the Phoenix so bad? Now what......., you said you turned yours into a Chimera? How long will that take and what is the Chimera good for? First don't listen to Kynric. Even in a black hole the phoenix is still bad. He has obviously never used a moros. Can the phoenix be used? Yes. But it's like 10 minutes work for each wave compared to 2 minutes in a moros. Depending on the jump and drone skills you already have trained it might not take too long. You could use him to trigger another escalation wave when you run sites. Keep your phoenix though if you live in a pulsar cause eventually DuraLexx will come knocking and a phoenix isn't bad for dread blapping.
Ty Kamikaze, your posts are the best here and I'll listen to you. I'm getting some ideas on how to use my Phoenix now. My skills for the Phoenix aren't maxed yet. I made this post to verify if the Phoenix was worth maxing or to finish training for the Golem. All I have is missiles trained, limited drones, and no gunnery, so I'm stuck with the missile boats unfortunately.
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WALAMOSHU
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.09.11 04:14:57 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:I dunno, I have been honing my solo Peenix for C4 BH soloing.
It's like a Golem. But cheaper.
How much can you make in those? |
Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
4642
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Posted - 2015.09.11 05:14:04 -
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You're way too trusting....
There is no Bob.
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
2727
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Posted - 2015.09.12 02:06:00 -
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WALAMOSHU wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:I dunno, I have been honing my solo Peenix for C4 BH soloing.
It's like a Golem. But cheaper. How much can you make in those?
It's 90M a site for a Barracks.
I only have T1 siege, and I was just faffing about idly, so my 10 minute complete time is heavily hampered by my lock time. I also only have one non-scripted SeBo fitted. I'd probably go for the following fit and get the lock time down to 20s a BS and 30s a cruiser.
[Phoenix, C4 BH ISK Machine]
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Missile Guidance Enhancer II
Target Painter II Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Siege Module II Citadel Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Cruise Missile Citadel Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Cruise Missile Citadel Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Scourge Citadel Cruise Missile
Capital Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Capital Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Capital Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Guristas Scourge Citadel Cruise Missile x48 Scan Resolution Script x2
it's two shots for each with 1 TP. TP is essential, webs are not - their velocity doesn't matter so much.
The scramming frigates, you just bring in a RLML Caracal near the end and blap them instantly.
I reckon you could get the completion down to <5 mins.
Some of the other, more frig-heavy sites, would be a bit more of a challenge. RR isn't, though. Stuff just assplodes. it's gratifying.
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
877
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Posted - 2015.09.12 04:21:38 -
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I trieda phoenix both on Sisi and on tranquility.
Results are as follows:
Torps dont work. cant handle battleships speed and sig radius even with crash and paints and new missile computers.
Cruise is the way to go. Max cruise, max links inc. info link, 2 boosted paints, t2 expl velocity rigs, 2-3 missile computers, and phoenix max skills hits for 15k reliably, no need for warp-ins like with turret dreads.
heres the problem.
A flight of sleepers neuts the cap of a phoenix dry in no time. Because you spend so many mid-slots on target paints and computers, you dont have enough to sustain cap drain for your tank.
I found that you need 3 siege cycles with a phoenix to clear an escalation wave, because you need to refit from damage projection to cap regen every 2 minutes. Basically, 2 sleepers per siege cycle, then refit for cap and tank.
A nag can do it in half a siege cycle, but you need to set warp-ins, and if sleepers get out of range, you will need max computers and tracking pill to barely hit. Nag also hits harder, for 20k.
Conclusion:
Phoenix will only work in a black hole. And even then capacitor might be problem. In normal holes, use nag or moros.
Adendum:
2 phoenix working in tandem is sleeper murder. 1 phoenix does dps, another phoenix tanks and does **** dps - and no need for warp-ins. One warps at 10 one warps at 30, both drop depot.
But solo, no. Only in black hole, and even there will have issue |
WALAMOSHU
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.12 05:01:53 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:I trieda phoenix both on Sisi and on tranquility.
Results are as follows:
Torps dont work. cant handle battleships speed and sig radius even with crash and paints and new missile computers.
Cruise is the way to go. Max cruise, max links inc. info link, 2 boosted paints, t2 expl velocity rigs, 2-3 missile computers, and phoenix max skills hits for 15k reliably, no need for warp-ins like with turret dreads.
heres the problem.
A flight of sleepers neuts the cap of a phoenix dry in no time. Because you spend so many mid-slots on target paints and computers, you dont have enough to sustain cap drain for your tank.
I found that you need 3 siege cycles with a phoenix to clear an escalation wave, because you need to refit from damage projection to cap regen every 2 minutes. Basically, 2 sleepers per siege cycle, then refit for cap and tank.
A nag can do it in half a siege cycle, but you need to set warp-ins, and if sleepers get out of range, you will need max computers and tracking pill to barely hit. Nag also hits harder, for 20k.
Conclusion:
Phoenix will only work in a black hole. And even then capacitor might be problem. In normal holes, use nag or moros.
Adendum:
2 phoenix working in tandem is sleeper murder. 1 phoenix does dps, another phoenix tanks and does **** dps - and no need for warp-ins. One warps at 10 one warps at 30, both drop depot.
But solo, no. Only in black hole, and even there will have issue
So Cool, Thank you so much for this wealth of info. So 2 Phoenixs are golden for C5s eh. This is good to know because I was about to give up on maxing the Phoenix to finish training for the Golem. I'll start converting my Rattler toon for the Phoenix as well........which will be another 4-5 months, sigh. Guess that means no C5 soloing for me for a while, but at least I don't feel like an idiot anymore thinking how I wasted a year and a half training for this Phoenix. Also I need to train the Info Warefare Link Specialization skill on my OGB toon, ty so much for that tip.
Does using SiSi interfere with TQ? How do you set that up?
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