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Vadun
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Posted - 2006.12.14 18:45:00 -
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I've noticed some silly things in the past few days. Not quite enjoying the way my caracal flies, i've been skilling towards an interceptor. People say to me things like "You're doing it wrong, you're supposed to go Frigate > Cruiser > Battlecruiser> BS > etc"
Are they serious? Can I not play the game how i want, or are they just jealous i actually made up my mind what kind of ship i wanted early on, and didnt waste a lot of time with skills im not going to use?.
I have a Battlecruisers one, but i use my Ferox for a mining vessel. This amuses me to no end, and makes other people sob apparently. I enjoy the fact that EVE is so flexible i can fit a battlecruiser to mine effectively, with 5 miner 2's and a mining upgrade module, and other people whine about not having Frigates 4 yet.
My character is just about 2 weeks old now. Is it silly for me to go down the path towards a Crow, or should i learn more about the game by running missions in my Caracal, and outfit my Ferox for combat?
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Bardi MecAuldnis
Amarr Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2006.12.14 18:47:00 -
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Play how you want...
I've been frigate from the beginning. I stepped up to a cruiser before I was ready, and regretted it. So, I took a step back and went to the frigs and dessies. --- Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!! |
Jeanpierre Duvall
Caldari Spectral Armada Eternal Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.14 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jeanpierre Duvall on 14/12/2006 18:52:23 I hope you don't want to fly missions in your crow. :) Works in lvl 2 mission but not that good if there is a sentry or three. :) But Ceptors are great for PvP tho. And if you wanna do that just train for ceptors. :)
Edit: But with Frigate lvl 5 you can also train for assault frigates which is really good for mission up to lvl 3 but also for lowsec and 0.0 ratting.
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Hubbins
Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.14 18:49:00 -
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You can do whatever you like, that is the beauty of EVE. However most people go frig -> cruiser -> BC -> BS because its a lot easier to make more isk in a larger ship than a smaller one. If you want an interceptor then go for it. If you change your mind you can always pick it up later.
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Drethon
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Posted - 2006.12.14 18:53:00 -
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My thoughts on the matter.
The path people are pushing you down is the tech 1 path. It is inexpensive and not as skill intensive. A low skill pilot in a cruiser can probably take out a low skill pilot in an interceptor and if he looses his cruiser he gets more insurance than the interceptor pilot.
On the other hand I believe the tech II route plays towards people who can put their own skill into the game and fight on a level that is not sitting next to the other ship and pounding it out. If you can learn to use proper velocities and alternative equipment, your interceptor can battle it out pretty well even against battleships for like skilled players.
(Take all comments above with a grain of salt. After six months in eve I've created my first combat character and only have what I've seen in the forums to go on)
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Vadun
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Posted - 2006.12.14 18:54:00 -
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I havent been mission running too much. I took 25 jumps to join my corporation, and havent been able to find a good nearby agent really. Just having fun ratting in .4 space at the moment, and doing the ocassional courrier mission. Though thats 11 jumps from my corp HQ so i dont bother too much.
I'm training Evasive Maneuvering to 4 at the moment, needs to get 5, then 12d of training for Frigates 5 and im just about at my interceptor
I'm not too interested in PvP at the moment, though my alliance does have a POS they're about to claim sovereignity with, so i'm going to jump out there with them sometime soon and help out. I'm still on level 1 missions, so the ships i have at the moment work just fine for me.
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Borasao
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Posted - 2006.12.14 19:53:00 -
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Basically it depends on how you pay for your ships. I went the FF->CA->BC->BB route because doing L4 missions make more isk and I pay for all my own ships. Tech1 ships have insurance that pays for the ship. So, I fly a BB in L4 missions to support my small ship habit.
Plus, getting all the support skills (most Eng, Elect, Mechanic, etc.) apply to all ships. It's only a number of the weapon skills that typically don't apply (you don't mount large rails on an AF) but many of the weapon support skills apply, so you don't really lose out too much there.
If I had someone else giving me all the isk I needed or at least giving me ships to blow up, I would have done it differently, too. But... a low skilled Interceptor pilot is going to lose a bunch of ships because support skills aren't going to be great. So... it depends on how patient your benefactor is with your incurred losses as to how long you'll fly them.
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Slayton Ford
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Posted - 2006.12.14 21:01:00 -
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I went Frig>Cruiser>BS but even though I'm Caldari I did every level2 mission in a Rifter. Yea, I'm using a Drake now but I really want a Jag...
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Soraya Kha'marr
Amarr Gun Metal Priests The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.12.14 22:28:00 -
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i personally believe that going the T1 route all the way, or at least up to BC, is probably smartest. heres why: - support skills will be trained up while training t1 ships, so once you get to t2 ships, you have the skills for t2 equipment and decent support skills - insurance payout usually covers all ship costs for t1 ships, making ship loss easier to bear. - you get to master combat in ships you can afford to lose. consider t1 ships practice for t2 ships. get to know your t1 ships and youre well on your way to getting to know that t2 version. - combat experience will be gained, once again look at t1 as inexpensive practice.
ive gone up to BC and decided to go for AFs (done!), but i still lack the skills to fly/fit it effectively - might have gone for AFs a tad early.
This space is mine, mine alone!!!oneoneeleven! (You can rent it for cookies though.)
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr Karjala Inc. Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.14 22:31:00 -
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I went noobship -> frig -> cruiser -> battlecruiser -> battleship -> assault frigate.
Looking back I should've gone noobship -> frig -> cruiser -> assault frig -> bc -> bs
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Mutant Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.14 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: Mutant Caldari on 14/12/2006 22:35:46 I went Frig -> Destroyer -> Cruiser -> BC -> BS -> Inty
I havent flown anything over a Cruiser in about 4 months because I just LOVE small ships
Edit:typo
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Audemed
Evisceration. Storm Armada
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Posted - 2006.12.14 22:39:00 -
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For caldari, getting a ferox and using it to rat effectively should really be your first focus, because that will allow the cashflow you're going to need in order to fly the interceptors you're training for. As you've probably noticed, crows aren't exactly cheap (cRaptors, on the other hand...) Even if the BC isn't your goal, it's a tool to get to it.
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Yamaeda
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Posted - 2006.12.14 22:41:00 -
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It's absolutely no fault in going frig -> Inty/AF, but to be able to buy them and sustain them you'll need to be able to run level 3 missions or low sec ratting. The overall best way to do level 3's is a BC, that's why it's better to grow in size before you grow in quality (T2).
As said, you'll raise your support skills in the mean time, which are dearly needed to those T2 ships.
Now i run recreational level 3's in my AF, and it's fun! If they are hard i'll switch to my trusty Prophecy.
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Mutant Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.14 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Audemed For caldari, getting a ferox and using it to rat effectively should really be your first focus, because that will allow the cashflow you're going to need in order to fly the interceptors you're training for. As you've probably noticed, crows aren't exactly cheap (cRaptors, on the other hand...) Even if the BC isn't your goal, it's a tool to get to it.
Ferox blows tbh.Grab a Drake instead
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DarknessInc
Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.12.14 22:49:00 -
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I say. Go Frigate. Specialize in Frigate. Start flying T2 Frigates. Then move to Cruisers. Then get T2 Cruisers. Play with those till your awesome. Then go for Battle Cruisers. Then to T2 Battlecruisers.
<.<
Alot of Battleships will fall to T2 Frigs/Cruiser/BCs depending on their fittings. Except NOS Domi's unless their jammed....drones + NOS that kills your tank is painful Freighter Sales
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Phelan Lore
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.12.14 23:30:00 -
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Depends if you want to PvP or not.
frig > cruiser > BC > BS is the standard carebear progression.
For PvP you should move up when you can fit the ship T2 and not suck in it. The progression goes more like...
frig/destroyer > ceptor/dictor > Cruiser/BC > HAC/recon > BS
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Lyta Reimalken
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.14 23:39:00 -
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I've trained up minmatar frig to 5 and got it tech2 fitted, im working on tech2 cruiser fittings, but in all probability i am going to stick with tech1 frigates and tech2 guns for a fair while. Cheap fun, and learning my lessons in ships I dont mind losing is a lot less painful than losing that shiny AF because I was a moron. Stabber = the same, tech2 guns make for a workable pvp ship, the now legendary LSE and tech2 220's seem to work well for most people. Better to lose that to idiocy than a Vaga :) Stick with what you 'want' to fly, and remember, nothing in the world is quite so funny as watching little ships take out big ships :D
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Litus Arowar
Amarr Obsidian Asylum Pure.
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Posted - 2006.12.15 00:00:00 -
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i went inty, af, destroyer, covops, dictor... then i maxed all skills I needed for amarr ones... then i grabbed hybrids and drones, for gallente 5 to be worth it... finishing projectile specs at 4 now
no cash problems, though I can't even fly a cruiser...
do what makes you happy
Albert Anastacia> Like they say, adapt or die. I adapted and now I get to Iwinbutton all over everyones face. |
ZigZag Joe
The Republican Guard
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Posted - 2006.12.15 03:20:00 -
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personaly I went: noob ship -> slasher -> rifter -> dessy -> cruiser -> BC -> bs -> platapuni ceptor-killer -> elite frigs -> cruisers, battlecruiser, battleship (and small stuff still because I love em)
spec'ed in small ship combat now and loving it. Now that I have proper skills for the ships(cruisers etc) its a hell of a lot better then screwed up stabbers with lasers and thrashers with railguns (you know there is a problem when you get your ass handed to you by level 1s.)
I would definitly recommend waiting on getting a crow and either 1. backtrack to frigs or 2. specialize in cruisers to the best extent you can right now. I highly recommend going backs to frigs though as they are the base of pvp - work up from them.
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Mercykiller III
Caldari Janissaries
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Posted - 2006.12.15 13:03:00 -
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My path were;
Frig > cruiser (just couple o'days) > ceptor (I have spend most of my play time in a crow in 0.0 or lov-sec) > Af > Heavy Assault (vagabond; when u ride that much ceptors u become addicted to speed) > BC (hurricane) > next will be CS or BS.
I'm mostly doing pvp btw. Go your own way, it depends many factors like what u wanna take role in this universe and how often you loginto game.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.15 13:14:00 -
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Hehe I went all over the place, very wacko like this
noob ship - frig - battlecruiser - interceptor - cruiser - assault frigate
i really should have done
noob ship - frig - cruiser - assault frigate - interceptor - battlecruiser
...i think. But im still happy :-p
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Terianna Eri
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Posted - 2006.12.19 04:25:00 -
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As far as I know there are no set rules; do what you like I went... Amarr Frig -> Amarr Cruiser -> Amarr BS -> Caldari Frig -> Caldari Cruiser -> Caldari BC currently flying a drake can't fly any t2 ships, can use only a very few pieces of t2 equipment
... i think I may be a n00b :D
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.19 06:16:00 -
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frigate -> cruiser -> battleship -> af/inty (pvp) -> (HAC/Recon) -> BC -> (CC) -> battleship spec -> capitals
My thinking can also be expressed with your weapon skills: small 4 -> medium 4 -> large 4 -> small 5/specs -> medium 5/specs* -> (round out fitting/etc. skills) -> large 5/specs* (most pilots stop here) -> XL weapons/fighters.
*Insert tech 2 heavy drones somewhere in here if you're Gallente
You can be in a HAC in about 10 months if you dedicate your training, and use tech 2 guns on a battleship in a year. You could then be a scary capital ship pilot in another year. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.19 06:18:00 -
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PS: people are whining at you for using your ferox to mine because the Osprey would probably do it better. (its 5.4 effective turrets at cruiser 4, you have 5 turrets on the ferox) --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Zeknichov
Amarr Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.19 06:33:00 -
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Here's what I always suggest to my friends who start the game fresh. Train skills till you can use a dominix effectively against rats in 0.0. A couple weeks at most. Then borrow some isk and start ratting in 0.0 while training for interceptors (taranis in particular). Once that is finished train for t2 large railguns. Once thats finished, train up support skills (engineering, electronics, navigation). Then go on your own from there.
Really though to answer your question, do whatever works for you.
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Venkhar Krard
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Posted - 2006.12.19 08:40:00 -
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Edited by: Venkhar Krard on 19/12/2006 08:46:10 I like :
First route (for gaining isk and experience)
frigate > cruiser (good for first pvp and missions) > bs (lvl 3 and 4 missions or 0.0 ratting if youre in an alliance)
Second route (spiecialize and fun)[t2 mostly]
cov ops > recon {pvp and exploration)
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af > hac (pve and pvp)
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ceptor > interdictor (pvp)
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skill up BS > capitals (fleet pvp and pve)
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skill up BC (fleet and warfare skills) and go for the Command Ships.
or you can go the small ships/guns route and do :
af > interceptor > cov ops > destroyer > interdictor
They all use near the same set of skills and have very important roles in a pvp gang.
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Thor Ba'aleron
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Posted - 2006.12.19 09:05:00 -
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When I first started the game, I was determined to max out frigs and get an interceptor (that is all that was available back then for T2 ships except CovOps). After playing the game for a while and learning about the economy more I decided to specialize in Caldari ships instead.
For quick progession, pick something and stick with it. Missiles tend to take fewer skill points than guns, so if I had to do it all over again? I'd probably do it the same way. Train all 3 basic ship classes in a racial to 4 and then start working on my fitting and grid skills. Cap, tanking skills, electronics, engineering, weapon upgrades. These skills will help you regardless of what ship you are flying so try and max them out or get them to at least 4. Next work on your missile skills (or gunnery) and get all of that to 4. At this point you can go in any direction you like. Pick the class of ship you enjoy most and get the tech 2 version. I personally waited to become a perfect Caldari BS pilot before training any tech 2 ship. in 5 days I will finally have caldari frigate 5 and be able to fly ceptors and AF's.
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Terrance O'Conner
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Posted - 2006.12.20 09:29:00 -
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Personally I think it's great to figure out early on what you want, I went a strange way (or at least I've been told): frig - cruiser - BC - AF - HAC - Command - other t2s, and in fact after a year still cant fly BS, but only t2s I cant fly is ceptor, dictor and transports. Not sure if this was the fastest way to go but sure was fun, as the BC allows to make money flying lvl3s and can do a li'l pvp in them (needed a gang though, not sure this still applies with the new tier2). Why i did this, well, x-mas 2005, saw a nighthawk and thought, I Want that, and went straight for it. Got one thing to say, t2s are more fun, they pawn most t1 ships same size and usually 1 size larger as well without problems. Most important, do what you like, dont let people tell you whats the right way, - been told over and again how stupid i was not going for BS, but now I'm happy i didnt, saved me 1-2months not training BS + weapon skills, and can outdamage/tank most BS anyhow + people love my leadership bonuses. My advice, if you're going for t2 ships, go straight for them, else just stick to the faster and cheaper t1 ships.
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