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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.06 07:32:13 -
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Verstal wrote:Has CCP talked about this at any point as a possibility? If so can I get a link. Yes. They said it couldn't happen because the game doesn't really support it.
Nor does CCP's finances.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.06 08:45:53 -
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Verstal wrote:CCP makes no money off these people at this point never will. Funnily enough, CCP makes more money off the people who play Gǣfor freeGǥ than from those that subscribeGǪ
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.06 09:00:22 -
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Verstal wrote:That's funny I haven't given them any money in 6 or 7 years. GǪand yet they've made more money off of you than if you had.
Quote:I have no fear, but I am radical. No, just ignorant of how the system works.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.06 09:08:32 -
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Verstal wrote:If i dont give them money how are they making money off me. Through your reliance on the most expensive method, by far, to maintain your subscription.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.06 09:24:51 -
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Verstal wrote:But if your definition of wining Eve is to play for free But nothing. They're still making money off of you.
Quote:You must have had internal discussions about Free to Play models and the direction the content is going seems to be bridge in that direction with vanity ship skins, and other vanity items. They have. It was dismissed as the last measure right before the game is shut down since the game doesn't support it.
Quote:What can we do to help CCP survive this transition? Mass-quit so they game is on the brink of being shut down and scamming a last wad of cash out of some fools is the last thing left to do. It might help CCP survive, but it obviously won't help EVE since it's being shut down.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.06 11:59:32 -
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Val'Dore wrote:The people who will multibox already multibox. I would multibox if I didn't have to pay to keep the extra accounts active.
Tiberius Heth wrote:Name one F2P game that isn't completely moronic due to p2W and/or an influx of hilarious shitclowns and full of 12 yearolds. WeellGǪ There's Cookie Clicker GÇö it's completely moronic due to radically different reasons.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.06 14:43:56 -
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Hir Miriel wrote:Perhaps CCP should hardcode it. RvB shows that there is some demand. RvB also shows that there's no need to hardcode it.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.06 17:33:02 -
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So this isn't actually an GÇ£I want F2PGÇ¥ whine, but an GÇ£I want P2WGÇ¥ whine. Goodie.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.07 05:54:37 -
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Schmantoo wrote:Eve is not the game for most people looking at the login numbers. CCP can either try something different, or ride it strait into the ground. They are trying something different. In fact, they're trying many different things GÇö EVE is just not one of them. That's probably for the best since, if you have a secure income stream, making it insecure before you've fully managed to diversify isn't the smartest of moves.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.07 16:22:31 -
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Verstal wrote: How much do you think CCP makes per year based on the data that is public?
$68.6m revenue; $11m pre-tax profit for 2014.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.07 16:57:14 -
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Verstal wrote:Very very tall order, even for an dedicated Eve player top 15% of Eve probably reach this goal which is portrayed in the movies as something that you can do over a weekend of hard playing. Where on earth did you get that silly idea from?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.09 08:35:21 -
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Verstal wrote:I posted some of the ideas to help CCP None of your ideas help them because they are so completely out of touch with the reality of this game and of gaming in general.
Quote:My role is a hybrid very rare - Programmer - Artist - Designer - Producer Actually, that role is very common. You see it all the time in Kickstarer spiels, where a guy has some grandiose idea and some experience in tinkering, but no idea how to actually make something that works, much less a compelling product.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.09 16:04:19 -
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Verstal wrote:The goal of the ideas on page 1 are to give the players an experience that will keep them excited and a little eye candy and emotional pay off running missions and continuing the story that is given in the intro movie and or hype video that my have inspired the download. The only way of doing that is to not run missions since they have nothing to do with the story GÇö they're just a way to regulate how fast currency is injected into the in-game market. EVE is not a game about consuming a narrative; it's about creating one. Missions GÇö indeed anything involving NPCs GÇö are in every way utterly and completely irrelevant to this end.
Quote:None of the ideas should "break" Eve Online, but I could be wrong. The whole idea of F2P GÇö you know, the topic of the thread GÇö would, as would many of the ideas you've suggested, in particular everything you label as GÇ£clean slateGÇ¥. The rest simply don't have anything to do with the topic you've now swung towards since they don't address any kind of new-player concern.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.09 16:25:29 -
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Verstal wrote:How many years have you been playing the game?
Take a deep breath, take a large step back, and clear your mind of everything you know of Eve and look at the game with those eyes. You have taken your first step to being a game designer or game developer not just a consumer / player. Go watch Rookie chat for a few days like I have been. It's about the same as it has always been, except that new players have far more information and guidance GÇö in and out of game GÇö than ever before.
Quote:How could know by the information given? By reading up on the game for, oh, 5 minutes before starting to play. It's fairly obvious by how player activity is given all the focus every time the game is mentioned, especially in the huge splashy stories that make an international media impact.
Quote:Trust me on this I have trained game designers for 15+ years If these are the kinds of harmful ideas you come up with, and which you have taught them to come up with, they should probably ask for their money back.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.09 16:29:59 -
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Verstal wrote:Maybe you missed the question, how long have you been playing Eve? Maybe you missed the answer: my play time does not affect how poorly thought out and out of place your ideas are.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.09 16:46:55 -
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Verstal wrote:Most of the ideas are taking what is already in the game and modernizing the presentation to today's standards using the already created CCP technology. GǪand catastrophically out of place in the game and poorly thought out.
Quote:I clicked on the link to your newbie skill plan and got a warning about a trojan / keylogger from the CCP site you might want to look into that LMAO. Yeah, you know those development credentials you're trying to use as an argument forGǪ something?
You just gave them a classic Unforgiven-style gutshot followed by a swig of water.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:15:33 -
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Odie McCracken wrote:Are you new? This has been in place for YEARS. Now, now. It's only been, what? 5 years since the Audrey Bitoni spam wave, and 4 years since the new forums arrived (not counting the false start inGǪ was it early '11?).
Seems like yesterday.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:25:04 -
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Verstal wrote:Oh I agree but its still odd I got the standard warning then got the new message but all the same looked up the corps he owns and the style of play he is using so now I know to ignore his contributions. Which corps are these, and what is the play style I'm using? Also, why would any of that have any impact on the attention you give to my contributions (much less to the contributions themselves)?
Quote:He has spent at least 5 years hunting noobs, Jesus. Troll harder.
Anyway. I think I can safely write this one of as an almost unprecedented crushing victory if my opponent admits defeat so thoroughly (if indirectly) as this.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:47:22 -
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lilol' me wrote:Tippia wrote:Verstal wrote:Oh I agree but its still odd I got the standard warning then got the new message but all the same looked up the corps he owns and the style of play he is using so now I know to ignore his contributions. Which corps are these, and what is the play style I'm using? Also, why would any of that have any impact on the attention you give to my contributions (much less to the contributions themselves)? *off Nah. I feel they are entirely reasonable questions given his senseless and unreasoned dismissal of my posts, especially since it, along with the various ad hominems he chose to use, only seem to be there to cover up his inability to actually address the points I was making.
The fact that it happened so quickly GÇö going from GÇ£you're out of touchGÇ¥ to GÇ£you are a cyber-menaceGÇ¥ in less than half a dozen posts GÇö is what makes it an almost unavoidable conclusion that he just gave up on all attempts at discussion pretty much from the get-go. Meanwhile, his ideas remain either pointless or harmful, and also wholly unrelated to the original topic (since that one turned out to be a complete no-sell too).
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.09 18:12:49 -
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Verstal wrote:Agree - I muted all her posts. Her interests in Eve are not on topic.
GǪand yet you brought them up rather than stay on-topic. But sure, if you want to go back to talking about how EVE is incompatible with F2P then we can do that GÇö you just have to actually address the points being made rather than lash out against the person and generally make a fallacy showcase out of your posts.
Oh, and it's GÇ£hisGÇ¥ by the way.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.09 21:40:12 -
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Verstal wrote:How about thinking instead free to play - free for noobs or new players. Slight change in your thinking and opening your mind might give you a better game with more people to do things with or to. How does it in any way make the game better, and what makes you think it'll actually bring in more people rather than just more alts?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:06:58 -
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GǪexcept that F2P alts would require far more stringent and harsh restrictions than a trial, or it will be abused to the point of breaking the game. There is also nothing to suggest that it would mean more money for CCP GÇö quite the opposite, again due to those alts.
And no, GÇ£large" is not the same as GÇ£good."
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.10 08:34:29 -
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Verstal wrote:I go into great detail how I softened my stance, and why. If you have constructive feedback and how to keep more the .1% of new player past 3 months then lets hear it or break down each idea on the front page and give an alternative. That's easy: change nothing.
One the other hand, something that's bound to create the level of retention you're envisioning there is to implment all the things you've suggested and completely break the game to the point where it will soon shut down. None of your ideas actually address any kind of problem with the game, and they most certainly do not address the issue of the topic GÇö they're just random bits of industry buzzword thrown out with any understanding of purpose and intent. Hell, you haven't even managed to articulate what benefits the original idea was supposed to bring.
The entire OP can now be answered in a single question: why?!
Quote:The topic is -- Would it be possible for CCP to make Eve free to play? This has been answered in full: no. The game is not designed to allow for it and doing so would break the game on a fundamental level. Actual game designers have looked into this; the EVE devs have looked into it; everyone with any kind of insight into the game, its audience, and the gameplay it is trying to provide has looked into this. The answer from all of them is no. The two are not compatible even on a conceptual level, and with the game as it has been developed, they are wholly incompatible on a practical level too.
Your unfamiliarity with the game and your absolute refusal to actually discuss the many many many points in opposition to your half-baked and uninformed ideas only serve to demonstrate that you are not anywhere close to being in a position to actually have a constructive discussion on the topic of EVE development, much less on EVE customer retention.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.10 08:51:37 -
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Verstal wrote:Yes I like that about Eve as well the brutality was my favorite part for years, do you think Eve is getting enough new players? Perhaps not, but F2P is not the answer to that regardless. There are never GÇ£enoughGÇ¥ players to replace an existing customer base. Trying to do so only ever has one outcome: the game has to shut down.
If you're going to feign industry experience, you should at least take the time to learn this simple fact first.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.10 09:21:27 -
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Luscius Uta wrote:Therefore it seems necessary for CCP to change subscription model. Turning EVE into a F2P may have its disadvantages, but most of them should have a way to remedy them. They really don't, short of redesigning the entire game from the ground up GÇö i.e. by creating a completely new game.
There would have to be an entirely new way of making more people pay more money than they do now, and it would have to be done in a way that doesn't in any way affect the competitiveness of the individual. You'd also have to create a game where N+1 > N is no longer true. Restricting the number of accounts is a foolish idea because it's simply not technically feasible and would only serve to restrict the ways in which the N crowd can overcome the N+1 one.
The monetisation scheme of a game is an integral part of its design. You cannot change it without fundamentally change how the game is played. To make EVE F2P, you have to make not-EVE and hope that it will attract the same customers (and more), when there is absolutely nothing to even suggest that it would attract either of those two groupsGǪ and we haven't even gotten to the far more crucial problem of actually retaining this fantasy customer base.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.10 10:11:56 -
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Verstal wrote:CCP design decisions haven't had the goal of putting new fun into the game but breaking up groups that play for free and dont pay them anything. In a thread that's based solely on conjecture and uninformed nonsense, this is probably the most fantastical yet.
Not only have they no real intent to break up groups GÇö they don't have to since that happens on its own (what was that about designing with human nature in mind again?) GÇö pretty much every expansion has had the goal of putting new fun into the game. Suggesting otherwise exhibits a shock detachment from any known reality.
Quote:CCP knows this its why CCP has spent 12 years redoing the new player experience over and over and over again so they can keep reusing the same content as new players join the community and older players leave. GǪexcept that they've also updated the content to the point where it doesn't particularly qualify as Gǣthe sameGǥ any more. The reason they've been improving the NPE is because it needs to be improved; because EVE is a complex game that takes a bit of time to understand, nothing more.
Quote:The development world has continued to raise the bar by offering easier to learn games with more instant gratification. GǪand also more complex, in-depth game with some pretty crushing difficulty. After years of coddling, the gamer market is getting fed up with dumbed-down content and is once again yearning for a challenge.
Quote:They admit failure to this idea working because they didn't account for how much money people have in Null sec. Source?
Quote:Some players have enough isk to play the game for free for 77 years and buy an officer fit titan every one of those 77 years. You think a guy like this is effected by a Sov change? Of course he is. Without it, he wouldn't still be playing. It is the very essence of what he's built his EVE life on.
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