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Mighty Baz HUSARIA	Posted - 2006.12.15 09:34:00 - [1] Edited by: Mighty Baz on 15/12/2006 09:44:24 Edited by: Mighty Baz on 15/12/2006 09:35:50 Edited by: Mighty Baz on 15/12/2006 09:35:30 R.I.P. HACs btw how much is worth any bpo of hac atm? 10b max , probably and the best ship for 3/10 plex farming cheerss ______________________________________________ Husaria recruits based on legendary XVI century Polish winged calvary
LWMaverick Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.15 09:44:00 - [2] The new bc's didnt make hac's obsolote... so nope, they are still selling at sky high prices. <3
Cramps Fungal Infection	Posted - 2006.12.15 09:48:00 - [3] Edited by: Cramps on 15/12/2006 09:49:01 Originally by: Mighty Baz R.I.P. HACs btw how much is worth any bpo of hac atm? 10b max , probably and the best ship for 3/10 plex farming cheerss What a fabulous topic! You've dropped a statement which will no doubt have unimaginable repercussions on the way everyone looks at EVE and life and the universe and everything! Not only that, but you've made your point with an absolutely overwhelmingly convincing argumentative discourse which redefines the way everyone in the world should try to spark debate! Here's to you, o prince of eloquence!
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.15 09:48:00 - [4] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/12/2006 09:50:46 Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/12/2006 09:50:09 Originally by: LWMaverick The new bc's didnt make hac's obsolote... so nope, they are still selling at sky high prices. True - there will always be a need for a HAC. However, the new BC's have reduced the demand a bit, since people have new options to fly. Not everyone has 200-300mil to buy and fully fit a hac, but they can fly and fit a BC in under a hundred mil without any problems, probebly half that if they use t1 gear. A BC + T1 gear is only really a 10mil loss if it dies due to insurance. A HAC on the other hand.... :) A lot of people are now understanding that BClvl4 is easier than HAC lvl4, so this increases demand of the new BC's. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Mighty Baz HUSARIA	Posted - 2006.12.15 09:56:00 - [5] right ______________________________________________ Husaria recruits based on legendary XVI century Polish winged calvary
LWMaverick Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.15 09:59:00 - [6] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/12/2006 09:50:46 Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/12/2006 09:50:09 Originally by: LWMaverick The new bc's didnt make hac's obsolote... so nope, they are still selling at sky high prices. True - there will always be a need for a HAC. However, the new BC's have reduced the demand a bit, since people have new options to fly. Not everyone has 200-300mil to buy and fully fit a hac, but they can fly and fit a BC in under a hundred mil without any problems, probebly half that if they use t1 gear. A BC + T1 gear is only really a 10mil loss if it dies due to insurance. A HAC on the other hand.... :) A lot of people are now understanding that BClvl4 is easier than HAC lvl4, so this increases demand of the new BC's. Some(alot) of people don't care if hac's are "price effecient", they just want some speedy kick ass ship.. Tbh, i dont care either, if my ships or fittings are effecient, i just go for the best, and maybe thats why i(we) stay above the rest /Mav <3
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.15 10:02:00 - [7] Learn to fly hacs? ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Arktaos Minmatar The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2006.12.15 10:11:00 - [8] will you please stop making useless threads that lack any real content and are full of crap? This discussion have been made a thousand times. If you think HAC's suck, that's up to you. To a skilled pilot, HAC's rock. ---------------------------------
LWMaverick Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.15 10:22:00 - [9] Originally by: Arktaos will you please stop making useless threads that lack any real content and are full of crap? This discussion have been made a thousand times. If you think HAC's suck, that's up to you. To a skilled pilot, HAC's rock. Amen <3
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2006.12.15 10:30:00 - [10] yeah hacs are useless now because the hurricane does just what the vagabond does right? and the drake is just as good as a sniping eagle hacs are different in many ways and their agility and speed over bc's will always make them a heavily used ship for pvp. DE

Swamp Ziro EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.12.15 10:31:00 - [11] Originally by: LWMaverick Some(alot) of people don't care if hac's are "price effecient", they just want some speedy kick ass ship.. Tbh, i dont care either, if my ships or fittings are effecient, i just go for the best, and maybe thats why i(we) stay above the rest /Mav If you're in a gang of say... 6 people, I don't see why you'd bring a HAC over a BC. Your tank will matter only if you're primary, and one of the BSes or utility ships will going to be primaried over you anyway. With the BC, you'll be doing more damage to them, and at a lot less risk.
Greyshadow	Posted - 2006.12.15 10:31:00 - [12] Put it this way I much more prefer having the choice out of the two then only having one option! I love the new BCs as it means more players can join in on larger engagements, yet I love the HACs as they are something to be feared generally as most often the pilot will no doubt be a good one. There are lots of reasons they are good other than those above, they can't be put under the same branding, gotta love them each on there own. ------ The Grim Reaper is out of the office at the moment leave a message and Greyshadow will get back to you!
Tiger Tamer	Posted - 2006.12.15 10:56:00 - [13] Indeed HACs are useless, please stop buying them so they stop selling for hundreds of millions of ISK. Many thanks!
LWMaverick Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.15 10:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Swamp Ziro Originally by: LWMaverick Some(alot) of people don't care if hac's are "price effecient", they just want some speedy kick ass ship.. Tbh, i dont care either, if my ships or fittings are effecient, i just go for the best, and maybe thats why i(we) stay above the rest /Mav If you're in a gang of say... 6 people, I don't see why you'd bring a HAC over a BC. Your tank will matter only if you're primary, and one of the BSes or utility ships will going to be primaried over you anyway. With the BC, you'll be doing more damage to them, and at a lot less risk. Higher resists and lower sig, especailly the sig radius, makes sure that i take less damage, surely i will do less damage, but lets say the zealot vs. harbringer, the zealot has more range and speed too. Besides, i love playing with alot on risk from time to time, adrenaline ftw <3
EPSILON DELTA	Posted - 2006.12.15 11:01:00 - [15] Fly HAC if A- You are very rich or very experienced that you pvp in them without fear of losing it. B- You finally gathered enough money and now buys an HAC to do the same thing you used to do with other ships in empire -->> no fear of losing them -->> dont care about the cost. C- You are BoB and you get free HACs. So for those who keeps the HAC demands up because they've been losing them, they proberbly wouldn't want to swtich to BC Those who uses HAC in empire would proberbly buy 1 HAC every year, so even if they switch to BCs it wouldn't cost the producers much. As for BoB, free HACs, who cares.
Trakl Caldari An Eye For An Eye	Posted - 2006.12.15 11:03:00 - [16] Originally by: Cramps Edited by: Cramps on 15/12/2006 09:49:01 Originally by: Mighty Baz R.I.P. HACs btw how much is worth any bpo of hac atm? 10b max , probably and the best ship for 3/10 plex farming cheerss What a fabulous topic! You've dropped a statement which will no doubt have unimaginable repercussions on the way everyone looks at EVE and life and the universe and everything! Not only that, but you've made your point with an absolutely overwhelmingly convincing argumentative discourse which redefines the way everyone in the world should try to spark debate! Here's to you, o prince of eloquence! This is perhaps the funniest forum post I have ever seen, and to be sure the funniest in the eve forums. I choked on my lunch while reading this, and made me feel comfortable and safe in my assumption that in the vast jungle of idiocy to be found in Eve, there are green lungs of intelligence and wit. Thank you very much.
Swamp Ziro EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.12.15 11:05:00 - [17] Originally by: LWMaverick Originally by: Swamp Ziro Originally by: LWMaverick Some(alot) of people don't care if hac's are "price effecient", they just want some speedy kick ass ship.. Tbh, i dont care either, if my ships or fittings are effecient, i just go for the best, and maybe thats why i(we) stay above the rest /Mav If you're in a gang of say... 6 people, I don't see why you'd bring a HAC over a BC. Your tank will matter only if you're primary, and one of the BSes or utility ships will going to be primaried over you anyway. With the BC, you'll be doing more damage to them, and at a lot less risk. Higher resists and lower sig, especailly the sig radius, makes sure that i take less damage, surely i will do less damage, but lets say the zealot vs. harbringer, the zealot has more range and speed too. Besides, i love playing with alot on risk from time to time, adrenaline ftw Btw, besides that (which I agree with anyway) you have NO IDEA what kind of a godsend those BC were for us <10m sp people. It's like finally being included with the cool bois, whereas previously, only option was a subpar t1 BS, or a Cyclone (bleh). Now, you get on a fancy t2 Hurricane and kick ass left and right with the best of them :D It really made a difference
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.15 11:07:00 - [18] Originally by: LWMaverick Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/12/2006 09:50:46 Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/12/2006 09:50:09 Originally by: LWMaverick The new bc's didnt make hac's obsolote... so nope, they are still selling at sky high prices. True - there will always be a need for a HAC. However, the new BC's have reduced the demand a bit, since people have new options to fly. Not everyone has 200-300mil to buy and fully fit a hac, but they can fly and fit a BC in under a hundred mil without any problems, probebly half that if they use t1 gear. A BC + T1 gear is only really a 10mil loss if it dies due to insurance. A HAC on the other hand.... :) A lot of people are now understanding that BClvl4 is easier than HAC lvl4, so this increases demand of the new BC's. Some(alot) of people don't care if hac's are "price effecient", they just want some speedy kick ass ship.. Tbh, i dont care either, if my ships or fittings are effecient, i just go for the best, and maybe thats why i(we) stay above the rest /Mav Agreed. If isk is no issue, then fully fitted t2 hacs, which are more agile than BC's and have other... features are the way forward. However, not all PvPers can afford HAC's, and I dont see the value of a HAC without t2 fittings, which further increases its cost. I myself have nothing against those who fly HAC's, heck, I even faction fit my Recon ships for pvp to get the edge over t2 pilots. The bottom line is Value. We know the value in getting the extra 10% out of a ship, and we may be happy to pay a disproportionate fortune to do so. But Joe public may not have the cashflow to finance a 300mil loss for a HAC + full t2 fitting, and these new BC's mean they can at least take something to battle and not get their asses handed to them. In the end, I guess it means more targets for all. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolance	Posted - 2006.12.15 11:10:00 - [19] Originally by: LWMaverick The new bc's didnt make hac's obsolote... so nope, they are still selling at sky high prices. HELL YEH, invention pretty please _________________________________________________ Breetime
Swamp Ziro EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.12.15 11:20:00 - [20] Originally by: madaluap Originally by: LWMaverick The new bc's didnt make hac's obsolote... so nope, they are still selling at sky high prices. HELL YEH, invention pretty please I wouldn't hold my breath on that

Dammar Ephorate	Posted - 2006.12.15 11:38:00 - [21] I propose 10 million skillpoints are required before anyone is allowed to post.
Nardon Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.15 11:44:00 - [22] Originally by: Dammar I propose 10 million skillpoints are required before anyone is allowed to post. Since the limit is on the ingame character and not the person behind the computer that limit would be pointless! ;)
Admiral Pieg Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.15 12:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Nardon Originally by: Dammar I propose 10 million skillpoints are required before anyone is allowed to post. Since the limit is on the ingame character and not the person behind the computer that limit would be pointless! ;) The man has a point. I propose a requirement of above seagull IQ to be allowed to post. ______________ Pod from above.
Nir Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.12.15 12:24:00 - [24] Originally by: LWMaverick The new bc's didnt make hac's obsolote All depends which HAC you're talking about now doesn't it? I doubt a Zealots extra few m/s could make up for the 50% more firepower and dronebay of an Absolution, or the cost reduction of a Harbringer. Vagabond on the other hand is unique in its role as heavy tackler and no BC can make up for it.. As are the Ishtar, and Cerberus. Seems to me like certain HACs retain their value while others are hopelessly outclassed.
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.15 12:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Nir Originally by: LWMaverick The new bc's didnt make hac's obsolote All depends which HAC you're talking about now doesn't it? I doubt a Zealots extra few m/s could make up for the 50% more firepower and dronebay of an Absolution, or the cost reduction of a Harbringer. Since when was the Absolution considered a T1 BC? (If you woke up breathing today, CONGRATULATIONS!, you get another chance!)
Kur'Dekaija Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.12.15 16:05:00 - [26] Why use a tier 2 BC if you can just ad 10 mill and use a tier 1 bs???? but HACs tend to be more fun and they ad a scarefactor into small gang warfare. But as ppl have said, tier 2 BC gives the little man a chance.
Apolluon	Posted - 2006.12.15 16:28:00 - [27] Originally by: Admiral Pieg The man has a point. I propose a requirement of above seagull IQ to be allowed to post. Mine? Apolluon
wierchas noobhunter Caldari Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.15 16:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Learn to fly hacs? and then loos them and dont whine about it ? to t1 fitted bc ^^ i am WIERCHAS i am like UBER and stuff
Angus McLean Gallente Divinity Trials	Posted - 2006.12.15 17:06:00 - [29] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Learn to fly hacs? and then loos them and dont whine about it ? to t1 fitted frigate ^^ Corrected your statement.
gu o Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.15 17:21:00 - [30] Mighty Baz I have a question for you. Have you ever flown one of the new bc's or even the famed HAC your talking about as dead? Last I have seen "yesterday" then Hac's are so dang kick ass its scary. Granted the new bc's (the myrmidon to be exact) can give Some hac's a run for their money. But this is only with a foolesh pilot. I fly the myrmidon cause I love good drones and ship graters (blasters). I have given a vaga quite a scare took him to structure before he somehow got away bummer for me. While the idea that I was able to take a vaga into structure makes your idea of hac's being dead a feasable assumption. its not. Don't assume this as the pilot was quite an idiot. not sure wether he goes afk after engaging or what cause i was able to turn on my ab and just get to web range. sadly vaga's are fast enough that he could get away even with my webber. Sinse then I have added a second web in hope that he comes back mindless again But hacs are rly fking good I was just ready to fight anything that will let me get close. I engage geddons with this thing too all i have to do is get to 10km and its dead. But if you think A hac cannot do this as well your nuts, hac's damage is much better than my myrmidon. I just like 100% insurance especially with my current warring self with the BoBits from hell who are very good and do not like solo fights >.<



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