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arxidi
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Posted - 2006.12.15 18:58:00 -
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2 weeks have passed with the new system of contracts. What happend and i can't sell almost nothing? Maybe pilots can't find what they want and compare it with one look, or suddenly they don't need ships any more. Before some months CCP decreased the quantity of trade goods that npc stations produce or demand allmost at 1/3 and now this with contracts. Is there something really new or better in contracts versus escrow? For me it seems that maybe escrow with the option show all caused cpu overload....something like bookmarks and ccp didn't want that, so at contracts you can't view all regions. This is the deference from escrow i think. Please write your opinion for contracts system
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Kerushi
Caldari BIG R i s e
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Posted - 2006.12.15 20:02:00 -
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haven`t used it much, but for what i`ve used it, the view range is the most limiting of all
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Pang Grohl
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.15 20:23:00 -
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So far I like it very much. I haven't had problems getting what I need from the system.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.12.15 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 15/12/2006 20:49:25 The contracts system has some nice features. Too bad CCP worships pain and misery, and destroyed everything that was good about the old system. In hindsight, contracts dont add anything critical while destroying many critical features. They encourage alt farms and even greater Jita-isation.
And contracts have bugs that will make REAL QA people roll on the floor laughing: Try to sort by price ... heh.
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Robacz
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.15 21:38:00 -
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There are three major problems imo
a) you can't bid/claim from another region - that is very annoying, forces ppl to move everything to Jita and makes Contracts in distant regions useless (most of ppl wont even bother to search there)
b) too low number of outstanding contracts - 16 is a joke, we can have hundreds of market orders but only 16 contracts at max skill
c) I miss better search - currently when I want to search for Talisman set, I have to search 6x for each implant of the set * numer of regions I am gonna look into, so search should accept partial item names like market search does
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2006.12.16 00:32:00 -
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I think they're a good philosophy, currently lacking in implementation (the aforementioned search/range woes).
I do think that contracts were a smarter system to go with in the long run. - Sort some bugs. - Add some features. - Balance some numbers. And we'll have a better tool than escrow ever offered us.
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.16 01:10:00 -
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The limitations on private contracts are a serious nuisance for a lot of people. The search is a bit of a mixed blessing, easier for some types, harder for others, broken for others. The regional restriction is not a good idea, and the view needs to be compressed for easier browsing. The overall numerical limit is a bit too low.
The display of blueprint ME/PE/copy/original is totally excellent.
Faction ammo should be added to the market instead of being sold through contracts.
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JaguarOne
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.16 15:10:00 -
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personally, not being able to put a bid outside my region makes it worthless they could at least have left it for the adjacent regions Please resize image to a maximum of 1600 x 1024, not exceeding 24000 gigabytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Exxon Valdez |
Fliewatuet
Angelus dos Business
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Posted - 2006.12.16 15:31:00 -
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tbh i just want my escrow back :( -- |
SonOfAGhost
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.12.16 22:45:00 -
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Splitting stacks remotely is nice.
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.16 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 16/12/2006 22:49:30 Still worthless, still can't make them, limits on private contracts WHICH IS EXPLICITLY AGAINST THE DESIGN AS STATED is still crippling the backend of the Eve economy...
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Ebedar
Gallente Primary Intelligence
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Posted - 2006.12.17 01:02:00 -
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As said earlier in the thread, they're a nice idea, just very poorly implemented.
Many of the problems have already been outlined. It feels as though the whole system was designed from the point of view of someone who used escrow/would use contracts on an occasional basis rather than using it as a means of making a living. ~
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Lumelame
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Posted - 2006.12.17 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: Lumelame on 17/12/2006 10:47:47 Edited by: Lumelame on 17/12/2006 10:45:30 With the "Show More Options" Make "Simple View" an independant choice, similar to the "Affordable" button. And with Simple View, make a full list in one page, similar to the old escrow.
Maybe : split the "Item Exchange" in 3 new sections : Exchange, Buy and Sell. Buy and Sell, restricted to one type of Item and only for isk.
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The Socialworker
Minmatar The Socialworkers
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:41:00 -
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I think, like Ebidar said, contracts haven't been designed with traders in mind. For an occasional user looking for a specific product the system is fine, but for a trader there is no 'visibility', or 'shop window' in which to sell (or buy for that matter). They even took away the market windows for faction stuff just to rub it in. I presume it's all on purpose though, and they don't want the high end traders as part of the game for some reason.
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JaguarOne
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.17 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: JaguarOne on 17/12/2006 14:34:05 Edited by: JaguarOne on 17/12/2006 14:33:53 actually it isn't useful to the occasional seller/buyer either.
For example, i am currently looking for some faction stuff for my spaceship. My region has none of what i am looking for but there is one in an adjacent region. So i have to go over there and place a bid, but if i leave the region i cannot continue bidding. Yet, being in an other region i cannot continue my game...
So, the only "normal" thing i can do is find the item, go once over there, make a bid so i can have the item listed on "my contracts" window and wait till the last day of the auction to go over there again to make last hour hits. Now, that is not very useable. It means that i have to make 6+6 jumps on the first time and another 6+6 jumps on the second run + a few hours i must loose while i wait for the auction to end so that i can take the item (if i win it of course). Which makes it pretty crappy if you consider buying multiple items that (naturally) end in different times and perhaps different regions!.
Additionally, if i decide to auction a lucky drop, for the aforementioned reasons the item is only really auctionable to my region and maybe to the adjacent regions.
If CCP really wants to keep the current system, the least they can do is provide us with a "monitor this contract" auction with no region limitation that places the auction in the "my contracts" view. That way i can decide when to go to place a bid, if it is worth it and even IF i want to place a bid at all.
EDIT: I would also like a "most bids" sort to check out "hot" auctions ;)
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Ghitza
Backup Squad
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Posted - 2006.12.17 15:07:00 -
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Spliting stack is ok... but i want old escrow back.
What's efect contracts make on me? - im using only Jita market - checking avaible contracts 10 times less as old escrows - im angry that i cant find in few seconds what im looking for
And im very upset that i cant view items so simply now as before in global/regional/system/station view.
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Azrael Maxim
Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.18 05:06:00 -
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The auctions are a nice addition, but I sorely miss the old escrow system.
I hope ccp comes to their senses and reinstates escrow as a 3rd trade system next to the market and contracts, if they have to make the taxes applicable to escrow I dont mind.
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Erfnam
Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.18 05:19:00 -
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Not a fan of contracts, since it has killed my BPC sales.
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Zomzom
Gallente Shimago Domingas Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.18 13:05:00 -
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Yep don't like this system at all. I used to sell bpcs and this new system is not viable for small value goods, also if I want to buy the odd faction module I can't find any, are they just not dropping anymore or is the new contract system just killing the trade?
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Jacque Custeau
Knights of the Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2006.12.18 15:53:00 -
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I loved the system until it gobbled up my Rokh BPO
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Macon Squaredealer
Squaredeal Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.18 16:47:00 -
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I was looking forward to contracts and am very disappointed. My BPC sales are about 1/10 of what they used to be.
I was also a pretty big seller of snowball launchers and snowballs on the old escrow system (which neither show up on the contract search or are allowed on the market now). I barely sell any now obviously as those kind of sales were usually people looking over the old escrow listings and making an impulse buy. People aren't willing to scroll through page after page of contracts to find something that catches their eye.
I'm not going to rant about it, but the new system has made trading high end and lesser known items harder, not easier. ___________________________________________ Watch for the Squaredeal Enterprises IPO in the coming months. |
Mular Sumnar
Gallente Espire
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Posted - 2006.12.18 17:49:00 -
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Hate the new system. With all the bad things with the escrow system, it was better then this.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.12.18 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Custeau I loved the system until it gobbled up my Rokh BPO
The contract system is not very user-friendly. Check delivery. (helped someone recover his t2 BPO once.)
Dont forget about:
* Sort each page by -> simple view Resembles the old escrow more closely ... dont try to sort by price if you dont want to fall out of your chair laughing.
* view -> me Shows all contracts assigned to you... many people forget about that, no need to send emails to your alts with the links of the contracts etc.
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Archemedes Killroy
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Posted - 2006.12.19 09:49:00 -
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The contract system is a series of good ideas poorly imlimented.
It really messed with how I do business with courier missions. On occasional nights I had 20+ missions complete and have half that many still outstanding. I have Contracts V and I can only make 16 contracts running similtaneously.
With the way Brokers Fees are calculated it costs me ".6%" but when I do the math it is 5% to 10%. This is probably because it is calculated by taking a premium price on the market, not what you can get out of it.
And that stupid "deposit". Is it there to protect me from myself? Why do I lose this deposit if someone doesn't like my offer. Tieing up that 100,000 ISK (minimium) only makes that offer less appealling as I have to start cutting into the rewards to pay for these, thus making them a self fofilling prophecy.
And I could go on and on but I just have one thing to say:
Contract Reform Now
Sart a campaign people or else no one will take notice.
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VIctoria Ballentyne
Minmatar Pale Riders Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.12.19 14:06:00 -
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Lot of valid points here so not sure I can add anything, though I do not like the lack of search over everything. Travelling to buy it I don't mind as I'll simply load up on trade goods and make a killing over long distance trades, but it's annoying to have to keep refering to maps to find out where the next region is, and especially not being able to place a bid when I'm not in the region next door.
CCP... Traders trade up the trade skills for a reason. Implement them in the new contracts system to allow the placing of bids from further away etc etc. Can't remember all the points I had come up with this morning as I'm at work so will put them in this evening.
"Forbid a man to think for himself or to act for himself and you may add the joy of piracy and the zest of smuggling to his life" |
Pang Grohl
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.19 18:54:00 -
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I think the contracts system and escrow were designed to be like a local bazaar or flea market. Escrow with it's global view failed miserably at it, because the volume of stuff displayed was too great. Finding out if what I wanted was near where I wanted it was a pain, unless the seller was refreshing their escrow frequently. I could find all BPCs I wanted in Jita or Rens or Oursurlaert, because they were being refreshed, but I couldn't find any of the BPCs in my local region. The same problem existed with courier missions. With the contracts system as it stands I now have much greater visibility to what's available regionally. The BPCs, and courier missions I want are easily findable, as well as other items. I can quickly find out, if what I want is available in a region, and move on if it isn't. I use the contracts system far more than I ever used escrow, because of these reasons.
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Hin Vemere
Trader's Academy Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.20 09:47:00 -
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I just got access to contracts today (I've been on a trial account) and tried to put up a simple courier contract to test the system. I had a Tristan obtained from an agent mission and wanted to send it to a hub. The contract wizard quoted the ship's unpackaged volume, about ten times the packaged volume. The ship was definitely packaged and I tried the wizard a couple of times.
Any newbie in an Indy can transport a packaged ship but unpackaged, forget about it. It's really irritating. Is this a bug?
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bogbubble
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Posted - 2006.12.20 10:00:00 -
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didn't see it mentioned, but you can use a % for the wildcard char when searching
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Phoenix Pryde
Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.20 10:09:00 -
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Actually i d say they are well done for the most part.
When it comes to using them for sales to specific contracts they are clearly better then escrows. The auction is quite clearly nice too. The ability to link them is great. One can search specifically, even in other regions, etc ...
One obvious downside which can easily be corrected tho is the limit on personal contracts. 15 is a little low indeed. However i think limiting it via skills is ok. Its just the same as with trade. Just introduce some more advanced skills to up the limit, and fixed.
The other thing as many ppl said is the lack of overview ... for all its faults that was easy in the old escrow system. Although also had quite some downsides like the timining out of older escrows and stuff ... Basically however with some regional searching one can still find everything, its just a little more effort.
in summary the contracts get a thumbs up from me
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Anfelina Adante
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.20 11:02:00 -
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I like the Contract system, except for the deposit feature.
For that I would like to see it lowered, or release a skill for a reduction.
To me, if I'm selling I don't see why I should pay a non-refundable deposit to sell my item when they get a cut of the sale price to begin with.
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