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Helpdesk
Caldari
The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2006.12.18 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: Helpdesk on 18/12/2006 19:52:08
As requested by Ginger.
My list of what I would appreciate in the RP-Scene.
Caldari:
More indepth information on the differences between the bloodlines (Achura, Civire and Deteis) - PF via website
More conflicts - You said there are thousands of conflicts around, but hardly any seem to be about anything to RP over. - For our declaration on the Cyrene Initiative (an alliance that claimed to support the Federation a few times before) we really had to think hard about our motives (and imho still failed) - Ingame events and PF via website
If an event is started: Finish it. The Hnolku event ended in the death of Hnolku, but his wife was captured by the bloodraiders. Never heard anything about her anymore. No way for any RP-er to (attempt to) free her. Other example being the dead emperor, stolen Gallente Titan (do the Serpentis still have it?) or (the finally finished but way past expiration-date) Gallente elections. These are major examples from the top of my head, but a lot of smaller ones end in a silent death as well - Ingame events
Tougher intercorporate conflicts - It seems like you started that already (for a bit) with Kaalakiota (don't ever spell my favourite corp wrong again, you bad ISD  ;)) vs SuVee - What I missed in this event was being unable to defend the KK. If that would've been possible somehow (hard, since it wasn't in 0.0 and is hard to drag into 0.0 with so many non-RPers around who'd just shoot anyone), I think the event would've been a lot more interesting as people who aren't overly familiar with RP but got dragged into the event anyway would have to consider on which side they'd be. - Ingame events
Perhaps some more details on Mordu's Legion and what their current relation is to the factions. - Perhaps some PF about the one of the four player factions hiring/setting up some pirate factions against an enemy faction. - PF via website followed by events?
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For those who don't understand why I created this thread: It was asked for by GM/AURORA 'Ginger.' in OOC. He asked what the RP-community would like to see added. He didn't make any promises, but I highly appreciate that he shows interest in this side of EVE.
None of my suggestions were meant as complaints about the current state of events regarding EVE-RP from Aurora. It's great that things like these are being done for the community and it's one of my (main) reasons to stay around. However, I think more people could be dragged into this by the suggestions listed above.
Please Ginger., do let me know what you think.
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Ginger.
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Posted - 2006.12.18 21:09:00 -
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Just for clarification, I am the Events Co-ordinator for CCP and I work with Aurora to produce events and help them out as much as I can from a CCP point of view.
Now, the thing with events is they are geared to be realistic, which means one side or the other is bound to feel slighted as events cannot always be well balanced affairs. Also, its not always guaranteed that you will get involved in an event. For example, if there is a surprise attack, you wont know about it because.. well its a surprise attack.
Now, its good to see what people like, but we will never be able to fulfill all your requests because, quite simply, there isnt the manpower their. Aurora do a damn great job in my opinion but they volunteer their spare time to provide everyone with entertainment.
With that in mind, its great to work with people on events and id like to see what the different views on what you would like are. Some people want realism, some people dont like it etc etc.
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Ginger.
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Posted - 2006.12.18 21:12:00 -
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Oh yeah :) And in case your wondering, my original question was to see how you would like the background of the 4 empires fleshed out, Helpdesk went a little further their but its no problem ;).
I have a little hobby project going which I work on when I have some spare time, 1st up is trying to almagamate and flesh out the scriptures somewhat, after that I might try and flesh out the whole minmatar tattoo process and custom behind that and the voluval. And then take a look at the Caldari and Gallentte. I dont want to set everything out in stone as that would restrict everyones roleplay, its just a bit more sand for the sandbox.
But do bear in mind, that this is just something I work on in my spare time and therefore, dont shout at me if it takes ages to come out as I will cry.
Cheers!
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Yakov Draken
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Posted - 2006.12.19 22:02:00 -
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More background flavour would be great Ginger. I'm new to Eve and trying to flesh out my character and feel for the universe but there don't seem to be many details on the cultures and history of the area.
Cheers
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.20 10:33:00 -
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I look forwards to the Minmatar stuff Ginger.
On the subject, ok a shameles plug but might give you some inspiration (not that I think you might need it but you never know) check my clan profile .pdf file. I have a good section there where I gave the clan Tattoo some thought as well as a tattoo ritual.
Doesn't have to be gospel though, and I think thats important since, being tribal, such things will be different for everyone anyway.
While you are looking at holes in the backstory, there is not really a clear deffinition of Minmatar government. There was a good post about it here but nothing was resolved. Could be worth turning attention to in the near future. Especially with Faction War looming as such things need to be adressed by then.
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2006.12.20 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Sepherim on 20/12/2006 17:48:13
I'd like to see more background on the different vital organizations, many seem too monolithic as they are, and could be fleshed out a lot more. Inner conflicts, probelms with other factions in their Empire, all that. PF can solve that, as well as deeper profiles on the web.
Oh, and an easier way to contact GMs. I know your busy, but one can dream. ;-)
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.21 12:25:00 -
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One relatively minor thing that I'd like to see fleshed out is a list of military and civilian ranks for all of the factions, and how they correspond to RL equivalents.
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.21 23:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Rodj Blake
One relatively minor thing that I'd like to see fleshed out is a list of military and civilian ranks for all of the factions, and how they correspond to RL equivalents.
Yes that would be good too, though the Insignias on the market do a good job of that too when it comes to fleets. But knowing what other unseen forces are available to the empires would be nice.
Though I don't see how we need to know their real life equivalents, as long as we know what the rank orders are and which are typically ship commanders and desk jockeys. And of course, the top of the tree, the political bootlicks.
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Seraphll
Gallente
The Clearwater Society
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Posted - 2006.12.22 05:22:00 -
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Personally, I think RP is different in EVE. RP'ing isn't done in other games where you start "acting" as if your another person. In EVE, your actually the person in the game. That's one of the things that keeps me here. I don't have to deal with people saying, "Rollio is going to rescue the princess!" Instead, it's, "I'm gonna go fight BoB, maybe I might fire off a missile before I'm torn to shreds!"
But as to the events, well, whatever... They aren't my favorite thing to do in EVE. Making ISK and powerful ships IS!!!
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Katrina Kirellii
Caldari
Escorts of Eve
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Posted - 2006.12.22 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Helpdesk
As requested by Ginger.
My list of what I would appreciate in the RP-Scene.
Caldari:
More indepth information on the differences between the bloodlines (Achura, Civire and Deteis) - PF via website
More conflicts - You said there are thousands of conflicts around, but hardly any seem to be about anything to RP over.
If an event is started: Finish it. The Hnolku event ended in the death of Hnolku, but his wife was captured by the bloodraiders. Never heard anything about her anymore. No way for any RP-er to (attempt to) free her.
Tougher intercorporate conflicts - It seems like you started that already (for a bit) with Kaalakiota (don't ever spell my favourite corp wrong again, you bad ISD ;)) vs SuVee - What I missed in this event was being unable to defend the KK.
Perhaps some more details on Mordu's Legion and what their current relation is to the factions. - Perhaps some PF about the one of the four player factions hiring/setting up some pirate factions against an enemy faction. - PF via website followed by events?
The corporations need more of an org chart for the Caldari. With the big ones on the top and the small ones below. The way the list is now it is tough to read and take notes on the overall structure.
As far as the bloodlines, well - a few stories as you release them would be nice. Say a story about survivors from the accidents or such on the Achura planet and add them to the history/backstory section. Just go beyond the newsblurbs. I am not saying nipple sucking Fedos are not the in thing for Christmas - but um - a story about a remote residence and a Achura survivor would be nice. The same could be said for cleaning up the Titan Destruction account from ASCN and BoB and adding it to the backstory.
Many of these ideas are already able to be incorporated into the game. It is just you have not tied missions together with the RP. For the above examples, you could easily make a COSMOS mission that you have to FIND through exploration and then has a duration. The Mission could be set up to run with the hostage the first time with some special prize and then converted by changing to a generic hostage after say - a month. Based on statistics of the saving or not saving mission - you post the results of the RP storyline.
RP can be assisted through missions - use the tools you have.
Use the tools available to document ingame the activities. Frankly, you could just have added a mission at the planet having the problems and/or the moon and then people could go assist or resist the convoy. There would be the bad guys killing the convoy and the good guys in the convoy with no protection.
Once you get Factions up, do a competition for backstories for the Factions and give away a modest prize of say a Mordu blah blah ship for the Mordu backstory - etc. That way people interested in adding to the Amarr Imperial legacy can get an Amarr Imperial Apoc or some such. Don't waste the opportunity of these elite ships on mere tourneys - use the community to drive your RP backstory through a reward/contest system.
You want customer driven content - well then - actions behind the words - who knows what you might find. However, you need to be specific on the requirements for submission. Then just clean up the results a little. Make it part of the EON magazine if you want and do a poll and see who votes for what or some such...
Enough Said???
Katrina Kirellii
Captain of the Silken Mistress
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Sakura Yoshimitsu
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:20:00 -
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More then background I feel that more immediate repercussions of actions undertaken by RP entities such as massive standing changes for attacking a convoy for example should become commonplace. I really do not like the way empires and other entities take open violent action against them lying down.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.31 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Yoshimitsu
More then background I feel that more immediate repercussions of actions undertaken by RP entities such as massive standing changes for attacking a convoy for example should become commonplace. I really do not like the way empires and other entities take open violent action against them lying down.
I agree. Faction standing increases for corporations and individuals that take place in RP events would be a great asset.
For instance, my corporation recently filled a large ship order for an NPC corporation. A faction standing reward would go along way to increasing the feel of the transaction. As i doubt any corporation would not feel gratitude or at least increased confidence towards an organization that was able to supply a large number of tech 2 fitted battleships and battlecruisers.
Since the number of people/corporations who participate in RP events is usualy fairly small, doing this by shouldnt be a large problem.
It would also help solve problems involved with spies. For instance in a recent Minmatar Event, Helpdesk, acting on behalf of the Caldari Navy[though without their knowledge] was able to intercept crucial knowledge of the event and intercept the actor.
If Helpdesk recieved a negative standing to the minmatar corporation/entity in question it would help event actors weed out people who they ought not to be taking to or inviting to private channels that they should not be in. This works to improve envent quality and RP quality, as minmatar corporations who have had dealing with Helpdesk in the past would be unlikly to sign him up to break out secret caldari navy datacores.
It would also allow for seperate RP repurcussions for poor or exemplarly performance. Our corp in filling the order, when above and beyond by providing the ships fully crewed[and named]. This of course was a no reward, RP action taken by the corp, that would have no repurcussions on the game world that I, or anyone could see. The ability to give and take faction standings to those NPC corporations would increase the ability of corporations and individuals to roleplay, provide incentive to "go above and beyond" in roleplay and provide protection to NPC corporations from players that they should not be dealing with due to past occurances.
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Sakura Yoshimitsu
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Posted - 2007.01.01 00:28:00 -
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It would also prevent the idiocy of "fighting against" a entity and also at the same time using the resources that their agents provide. For example Minmatar freedom fighters shouldn't have access to the services Amarr NPC corps could provide, including research, finding people, clone access, the works.
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Helpdesk
Caldari
The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
It would also help solve problems involved with spies. For instance in a recent Minmatar Event, Helpdesk, acting on behalf of the Caldari Navy[though without their knowledge] was able to intercept crucial knowledge of the event and intercept the actor.
If Helpdesk recieved a negative standing to the minmatar corporation/entity in question it would help event actors weed out people who they ought not to be taking to or inviting to private channels that they should not be in. This works to improve envent quality and RP quality, as minmatar corporations who have had dealing with Helpdesk in the past would be unlikly to sign him up to break out secret caldari navy datacores.
Completely agree. Negative standing towards the Minmatar corporation would be deserved (as well as a higher CN standing, which I believe I still didn't receive). Things like these make events more interesting.
I must add that I did receive a standingboost for Kaalakiota a few weeks ago due to an event though. So they partially implented this already.
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Saladin
Minmatar
V I R I I
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2007.01.08 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Yoshimitsu
More then background I feel that more immediate repercussions of actions undertaken by RP entities such as massive standing changes for attacking a convoy for example should become commonplace. I really do not like the way empires and other entities take open violent action against them lying down.
It used to be somewhat better. Though not part of an event, I used to attack npc convoys in Amarr space a very long time ago. Standings with Amarr faction and Sarum navy kept dropping until whenever I jumped into Amarr control space I would get a message saying I am an enemy of the empire and will be killed. Then Sarum Navy ships would spawn and attack me. I'd usually kill them with some effort and make it to the next gate. It can get repetitive, but there was something about the experience that definitely made me feel like I was really doing something in EvE.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.01.08 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 08/01/2007 23:05:45
Ginger, to add to what Helpdesk requested:
More information on the Caldari (and other races) history overall. The Patriotic Caldari are said to want a sort of return to the Raata Empire's ways. Well, what are those ways? The only mention of the Raata timeframe is in Cold Wind, a ship description, and State Factionalism, which doesn't really count (because it's only mentioned as a trait of patriots).
Details on the Guristas as well please. How did they go from kidnapping a Gallente official and getting a huge diamond ransom, to hiding, to having a massive organization based in Venal?
There's endless amounts of hitory you guys can create that the RP community would love to have. If you need more writers, I'm sure I could find SOMEONE...
Originally by: kieron
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