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Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
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Posted - 2015.09.16 22:30:39 -
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It is my great honor and pleasure to announce that, via the talented gene therapy team at Genetic Angel Laboratories, Dr. Frenjo Borkstar has undergone radical gene therapy using organically harvested Jove DNA, as well as chemical therapy to remove the retrovirals from his system.
The procedure ended at approximately 2200 Standard Time under the supervision of [REDACTED], proprietor and director of Genetic Angel. Dr. Borkstar will remain in recovery for a short time, under observation by the physicians on staff to monitor his status following this ground-breaking procedure.
According to testing, Dr. Borkstar is now approximately ninety-nine percent Jovian, and all major physiological issues at this point appear to have been resolved.
The Peione Foundation wishes him a quick recovery.
Inquiries regarding the procedure may be directed to Dr. Borkstar himself, pending his release from recovery.
Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione
No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
478
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Posted - 2015.09.16 22:35:24 -
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Quattras Peione wrote: and all major physiological issues at this point appear to have been resolved.
But not, I assume, psychological.
Not only is he Anathema to the Faithful, he is now an Abomination.
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Kalaratiri
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
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Posted - 2015.09.16 22:48:31 -
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Where exactly did he "organically harvest" this tissue from?
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2015.09.16 23:29:39 -
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So, we gonna feed him to the drifters now? I kinda wanna see how they react.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2015.09.17 00:02:52 -
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Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:Quattras Peione wrote: and all major physiological issues at this point appear to have been resolved.
But not, I assume, psychological.
I was going to say it, but I guess you beat me to it.
Can you verify that you successfully transferred over the Jovian disease too? This problem may be able to fix itself.
Sahriah Bloodstone
Praetor, No.Mercy
"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.09.17 01:05:52 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:Where exactly did he "organically harvest" this tissue from?
Jove corpses are present in the Hive systems. To my understanding, Borkstar piggy-backed on the Exploration Frontier, Inc. raid on Vidette Hive in early June.
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Sammie MacWinters
Dutch East Querious Company Phoebe Freeport Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.17 01:52:35 -
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He's still an animal abuser. Among other things. |
Indira Harashani
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.09.17 02:09:58 -
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Quattras Peione wrote:According to testing, Dr. Borkstar is now approximately ninety-nine percent Jovian, and all major physiological issues at this point appear to have been resolved. My skepticism is almost palpable.
Lady Indira Harashani
Holder of the Kheryskova Archipelago, Kihtaled IV
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Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
151
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Posted - 2015.09.17 02:15:49 -
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The DNA samples used in the procedure were, to my knowledge, harvested from tissue samples not collected during Arek'Jaalan's collection drive at the behest of the (presumably) false Hilen Tukoss.
I can confirm that as of our last interaction Dr. Borkstar did appear to be mentally the same individual as before, however this was only moments after the procedure itself.
Ms. Aspenstar, could you please illumnate for me where in scripture it is prohibited to alter one's genetic structure? While I myself advised against doing so and found certain portions of the whole process a bit ethically questionable for a physician, it still iis a miracle of science. Perhaps it is attitudes such as this that drove Frenjo to be certain that every trace of Amarrian genome was removed from his body.
Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione
No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
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Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
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Posted - 2015.09.17 02:24:09 -
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Ms. Harashani, the physiological issues I mention are pre-existing conditions. It is known to many that Dr. Borkstar was in failing health, suffering from - amongst a plethora of other problems - renal failure. The procedure altered his internal organs to some extent, though specifics are beyond my understanding as medicine is not my field of expertise. I did observe that a device which previously had been attached to his liver extracted itself and wound up being spat out - which came as, to put it mildly, quite a surprise to all present.
Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione
No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
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Tony-Vagabond Carter
Chrysos Aigis
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Posted - 2015.09.17 03:23:33 -
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I'm a bit at a loss here. What exactly was the goal here? how does it benefit Borkstar or anyone in the least? |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
711
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Posted - 2015.09.17 03:27:20 -
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Tony-Vagabond Carter wrote:I'm a bit at a loss here. What exactly was the goal here? how does it benefit Borkstar or anyone in the least?
'SCIENCE'!
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1005
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Posted - 2015.09.17 05:15:03 -
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Tony-Vagabond Carter wrote:I'm a bit at a loss here. What exactly was the goal here? how does it benefit Borkstar or anyone in the least?
I'm not a doctor of medicine, but, I think the goal was this:
With a genetic structure close enough to Jovian, then an individual will be recognised as Jovian by various technological doodads. These devices cannot be activated by people who are not Jovian.
So, now, Doctor Borkstar, can attempt to plug random Jovian cybernetic doodads into his brain, to see if he can turn them on or not.
You know, the usual madcap thing of most capsuleer scientists.
"Hey guys! Hey! Hey! Listen! Guys! I found an ancient cyberimplant in some ruins somewhere. I don't know what it does, or where it came from, but I'm going to stick it in my brain!" "Don't stick it in your brain" "ToO LaTe !"
I view this latest Borkstar escapade somewhat sceptically.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.17 06:34:15 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Tony-Vagabond Carter wrote:I'm a bit at a loss here. What exactly was the goal here? how does it benefit Borkstar or anyone in the least? I'm not a doctor of medicine, but, I think the goal was this: With a genetic structure close enough to Jovian, then an individual will be recognised as Jovian by various technological doodads. These devices cannot be activated by people who are not Jovian. So, now, Doctor Borkstar, can attempt to plug random Jovian cybernetic doodads into his brain, to see if he can turn them on or not. You know, the usual madcap thing of most capsuleer scientists. "Hey guys! Hey! Hey! Listen! Guys! I found an ancient cyberimplant in some ruins somewhere. I don't know what it does, or where it came from, but I'm going to stick it in my brain!" "Don't stick it in your brain" "ToO LaTe !" I view this latest Borkstar escapade somewhat sceptically.
Come on! What else are we to do with an ancient cyberimplant from a long-dead civilisation that may or may not have perished due to their abuse of their technology other than to plug it into our brain?
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.09.17 10:59:14 -
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And nothing of value was gained this day.
Valerie Valate wrote: So, now, Doctor Borkstar, can attempt to plug random Jovian cybernetic doodads into his brain, to see if he can turn them on or not.
Oh, oh, I remember. One day he plugged something in and was spamming all channels with binary code while thinking he had a sleeper in his head who was talking in ternary code. That was genuinely funny!
Quattras Peione wrote: According to testing, Dr. Borkstar is now approximately ninety-nine percent Jovian, and all major physiological issues at this point appear to have been resolved.
I would really advise you to look into his psychological issues, as was mentioned earlier.
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Lucas Raholan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2015.09.17 13:06:29 -
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Jovian?....what I believe you mean to say is that Frenjo has shaved his hair off and bathed himself in green food dye. From what I've heard of Jovians aren't some separate species rather just another faction of humans who have abandoned god and extensively multilated their own genome to an level unrecognisable to ourselves, now it is quiet impossible to simply replace your own DNA strands with something so different from our own without causing substantial bodily failure and exacerbating any mental instability of which Borkstar has many
Shitposts so bad CONCORD gave me a 50 billion ISK bounty
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
486
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Posted - 2015.09.17 13:19:59 -
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Quattras Peione wrote:
Ms. Aspenstar, could you please illumnate for me where in scripture it is prohibited to alter one's genetic structure? While I myself advised against doing so and found certain portions of the whole process a bit ethically questionable for a physician, it still iis a miracle of science. Perhaps it is attitudes such as this that drove Frenjo to be certain that every trace of Amarrian genome was removed from his body.
Mr. Peione, while your recent post in a separate thread as to your penitence and returning to the fold was welcome, comments such as these show just how far it is you still have to come.
Genetic modification has long been proscribed, while Slavery (for example) has long been authorized. While the snippets of the Scriptures most capsuleers refer to do not contain direct references, those familiar with the tenets of the Sciptures and the laws and edicts of the Amarr Empire and faith are well familiar with them. It is for this reason, for example, that slaves are not contraband in the Empire, while genetically modified livestock is contraband.
I am disappointed in the implication that the Amarr, an Empire that went from a city, to an island, to a planet to the stars and which has been at the forefront of many recent techological advances is anti-science. Science which is accord with God's laws is and has been a part of the Empire and the Scriptures. The concern with tampering with genetics is due to the unfathomability of God's plans and the laws of unintended consequences, witness the Jove in their current senescence.
I do hope that you diligently attend your studies at the Ardishapur Family Academy you mentioned. Perhaps you may wish to augment them by attending the different classes and schools being conducted by Holy Mother Alizebeth Amalath and Cardinal Kahar Dex. |
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.09.17 14:44:49 -
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I'm certain nothing could go wrong with genetically modifying a man with Mister Borkstars history of mental stability into a bloodline known primarily for it's crippling propensity for neural illness.
Seriously, though, why would you do something like this? I'd tell you to stick a fork in him, but I'd be worried you'd take it as a surgical proposal. |
Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
151
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Posted - 2015.09.17 15:37:49 -
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My doctorate is in Military Sciences; I am not a physician. My interest in this matter has been merely as a friend of Dr. Borkstar, to support him in this endeavor regardless of my personal feelings on whether or not it was a good idea.
Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione
No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
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Indira Harashani
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
75
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Posted - 2015.09.17 16:31:42 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote:I'm certain nothing could go wrong with genetically modifying a man with Mister Borkstars history of mental stability into a bloodline known primarily for it's crippling propensity for neural illness.
Seriously, though, why would you do something like this? I'd tell you to stick a fork in him, but I'd be worried you'd take it as a surgical proposal. Thank you.
Lady Indira Harashani
Holder of the Kheryskova Archipelago, Kihtaled IV
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Goldfinch
Order of Jamyl
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Posted - 2015.09.17 16:37:17 -
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It seems like Dr. Borkstar had doubts of his own racial identity, and he may have been uncomfortable even in his own skin, so to speak. The surgery may seem unnecessary and cosmetic to the layperson, but we feel that in Dr. Borkstar's mind it was very necessary and a matter of self acceptance and inner peace.
Who is to say we can judge him for the medically gruesome choice? The desperation of the act speaks to how important this sense of racial identity was in Dr. Borkstar's mind. We respect the power of the mind, and the choices people make in the pursuit of happiness.
There are some who label him Apostate and Abomination and other such things. We do not employ, or believe in such labels. All we see is a person who was born Amarr drift away from God. We see this only as a failure of our ability to connect with him, to be his friends, to be his mentors, and to share with him the beauty of our Faith.
\J/
veiled and bound
my origin story (on R109)
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.09.17 16:53:30 -
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Fascinating.
Have you thought about licensing this story to one of those low-budget science fiction studios?
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
580
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Posted - 2015.09.17 18:20:59 -
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It would make for an entertaining direct to VR holoreel. That is for certain.
Also, what has it resulted in? Just because you have a paint and brush, doesnt mean you can make art. Genetic modification to be jovian without the jovian environment, culture or knowledge doesnt mean much.
I would also like to point out, if 99%, that is dramatically different. Even my own genetic code in its unmodified state is much closer...
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
490
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Posted - 2015.09.17 18:24:02 -
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Goldfinch wrote: It seems like Dr. Borkstar had doubts of his own racial identity, and he may have been uncomfortable even in his own skin, so to speak. The surgery may seem unnecessary and cosmetic to the layperson, but we feel that in Dr. Borkstar's mind it was very necessary and a matter of self acceptance and inner peace.
Who is to say we can judge him for the medically gruesome choice? The desperation of the act speaks to how important this sense of racial identity was in Dr. Borkstar's mind. We respect the power of the mind, and the choices people make in the pursuit of happiness.
There are some who label him Apostate and Abomination and other such things. We do not employ, or believe in such labels. All we see is a person who was born Amarr drift away from God. We see this only as a failure of our ability to connect with him, to be his friends, to be his mentors, and to share with him the beauty of our Faith.
I would not lose a lot of sleep over this one, Lady Rkard. |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
18944
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Posted - 2015.09.17 18:42:03 -
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In the end, it's science; a body is a body, and the Doctor now has a new one, one that seems to be solving some of the problems he's had in the past. After all, we're free as capsuleers to pursue whatever we wish in this sort of field and, though it may seem to be "too much" in some ways at first glance, it's really no issue.
I do offer my congratulations on a successful procedure.
-Uriel
"A City made of Dreams...is built in heaven" - GÖâ-
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1409
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Posted - 2015.09.17 19:06:45 -
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Quattras Peione wrote: As for yourself, Ms. Aspenstar, I apologize if it seemed that I was disparaging the Empire's stance on the sciences. I was sincerely asking for clarification; I do believe that the official stance on geno-modification is a bit outdated, but agree that what the Jove did to themselves was short-sighted and, as we can all agree, ultimately disastrous. It is my hope that whatever comes of this, we can learn more of the race itself - and its ultimate fate - through observation.
To their defense though, it sounds a bit easy to say with detachment sir... They certainly did not benefited from any conceivable prior model that failed in one way or another like we do with their own history.
Goldfinch wrote: It seems like Dr. Borkstar had doubts of his own racial identity, and he may have been uncomfortable even in his own skin, so to speak. The surgery may seem unnecessary and cosmetic to the layperson, but we feel that in Dr. Borkstar's mind it was very necessary and a matter of self acceptance and inner peace.
Who is to say we can judge him for the medically gruesome choice? The desperation of the act speaks to how important this sense of racial identity was in Dr. Borkstar's mind. We respect the power of the mind, and the choices people make in the pursuit of happiness.
There are some who label him Apostate and Abomination and other such things. We do not employ, or believe in such labels. All we see is a person who was born Amarr drift away from God. We see this only as a failure of our ability to connect with him, to be his friends, to be his mentors, and to share with him the beauty of our Faith.
I wanted to say that I... really like your point of view!
I mean, I did not think about it that way, and it provides an interesting perspective to me. I you can forgive me for saying so... |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.09.17 19:27:44 -
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Use of retrovirals to alter genetics in vivo likely wouldn't have quite the effect some are expecting in either the short or long term. Syndromes resulting from the synthesis of proteins incompatible with existing structures in the subject, or failure to synthesize other proteins required by the subject are the most likely result, I believe.
The Jove are, according to all existing knowledge, a race of clones. We don't know what methods are used to grow or assemble them; which organs are grown in the clone body, which are grown outside of the clone body according to other genetic templates, which are purely the creation of artifice, and how integrated cybernetic or artificial structures are with biological structures. It's worth noting that Jovian DNA has been possessed by biotech research firms since at least Misu Baniya's accident in YC106, which means we've had eleven years without a major biotechnology revolution clearly traceable to Baniya's DNA.
While possession of DNA is all well and good, and allows us some degree of understanding of novel proteins or organs formed in accordance with those proteins, it remains an incomplete picture, with notable gaps in understanding due to unknown structures present in the body and unknown technologies used in the clone's creation.
Even considering this, use of genetic therapies alone will still not be sufficient to create new organs, or to otherwise change gross morphology.
I suppose certain genetic markers have changed, but-- I guess I just don't see the point. I suppose tinkering for tinkering's sake is a fair thing, but I don't see any long-term therapeutic or scientific value to this endeavor. We could find as much out simply by simulating genetic expressions, or engaging in gene therapy with a medical testing clone.
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Rook Moray
Cell 13 Salvage
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Posted - 2015.09.17 19:39:14 -
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So the Jove were basically human.
And there was this thing where they all caught this disease.
And now they're all mostly dead.
But the rest of us were immune because we were genetically just different enough.
And now you've gone and brought all of us one step closer to making EVERYONE IN THE F*UCKING CLUSTER suscepitble to this disease.
Maybe you shouldn't be allowed to science until you've learned how to brain.
GÇ£When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.GÇ¥ -Guristas Proverb.
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Alesius Lerance
Chrysos Aigis
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Posted - 2015.09.17 20:14:04 -
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I share your concern Moray, but to my knowledge that condition is genetic.
Congratulations on a successful procedure. Will Borkstar be kept in the labs in the medium term for observation and research purposes?
Family, Corporation, and State, in that order. What else is there worth fighting for?
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Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
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Posted - 2015.09.17 20:24:18 -
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Rook, I think you misunderstand what exactly the Jovian Disease was - or perhaps is. As far as we are currently aware, it was more of a syndrome, a consequence of their fiddling with their genetic code. I don't believe that this will pose any medical risk to the rest of us, only to Frenjo - who, by the way, now wishes only to be referred to as Viriel, a Jove name that he has chosen for himself.
I spent a great deal of time in the recovery ward at Angels Labs, visiting Viriel. Again, I am not endorsing his actions, but repeating the reasoning that he offered me. He said that because the Amarr had rejected him so firmly, he no longer wanted to be Amarrian. While it is easy to judge and say that what he has done - or has had done to him - is morally wrong, perhaps this is cause for introspection.
The harder, but more just, way of bringing the wayward to the path of light is not through ridicule, shaming, or condemnation. It is through welcoming the stray back into the fold. The believer who loses his way, without the loving support and gentle guidance of his peers, becomes the recalcitrant enemy of the faith. And that enemy is the creation of those once-friends and peers who allowed it to happen.
Regardless of our differences in views and opinions, I will stand by Viriel as his friend. A man who abandons his own in dark times does not deserve to stand by them in their time of strength.
Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione
No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
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