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jaycloud7 Strife
Spaced Mongoose
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Posted - 2015.09.17 05:28:21 -
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An upgrade to the in game browser would be awesome....it's a little outdated..... |
Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
1907
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Posted - 2015.09.17 06:13:50 -
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Quote:Foxfour - We do want to kill the IBG sooner rather than later, and we're going to need the CSM's help with that. Sugar - Please do that after CSMX, and build a fallout bunker. (From the Day 1 Meeting Minutes of the CSM summit.)
An upgrade is not going to happen; instead, we should inquire how they intend to keep current functionalities working while we have to use an OOGB.
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Azazel The Misanthrope
Proioxis Assault Force Exodus.
60
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Posted - 2015.09.17 06:19:47 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Quote:Foxfour - We do want to kill the IBG sooner rather than later, and we're going to need the CSM's help with that. Sugar - Please do that after CSMX, and build a fallout bunker. ( From the Day 1 Meeting Minutes of the CSM summit.) An upgrade is not going to happen; instead, we should inquire how they intend to keep current functionalities working while we have to use an OOGB.
Please expound on OOGB please. I am unfamiliar with this term. |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2733
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Posted - 2015.09.17 06:28:43 -
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
4114
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Posted - 2015.09.29 09:06:12 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Quote:Foxfour - We do want to kill the IBG sooner rather than later, and we're going to need the CSM's help with that. Sugar - Please do that after CSMX, and build a fallout bunker. ( From the Day 1 Meeting Minutes of the CSM summit.) An upgrade is not going to happen; instead, we should inquire how they intend to keep current functionalities working while we have to use an OOGB.
By making it so CREST can do that sort of stuff. I already have it working so that CREST can update your waypoints.
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ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
944
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Posted - 2015.09.29 10:26:20 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Quote:Foxfour - We do want to kill the IBG sooner rather than later, and we're going to need the CSM's help with that. Sugar - Please do that after CSMX, and build a fallout bunker. ( From the Day 1 Meeting Minutes of the CSM summit.) An upgrade is not going to happen; instead, we should inquire how they intend to keep current functionalities working while we have to use an OOGB. By making it so CREST can do that sort of stuff. I already have it working so that CREST can update your waypoints.
Shouldnt be "too hard" to get this working through Wormholes then
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
1764
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Posted - 2015.09.29 10:56:32 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Quote:Foxfour - We do want to kill the IBG sooner rather than later, and we're going to need the CSM's help with that. Sugar - Please do that after CSMX, and build a fallout bunker. ( From the Day 1 Meeting Minutes of the CSM summit.) An upgrade is not going to happen; instead, we should inquire how they intend to keep current functionalities working while we have to use an OOGB. By making it so CREST can do that sort of stuff. I already have it working so that CREST can update your waypoints.
That's great news!
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
1947
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Posted - 2015.09.29 12:01:40 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Quote:Foxfour - We do want to kill the IBG sooner rather than later, and we're going to need the CSM's help with that. Sugar - Please do that after CSMX, and build a fallout bunker. ( From the Day 1 Meeting Minutes of the CSM summit.) An upgrade is not going to happen; instead, we should inquire how they intend to keep current functionalities working while we have to use an OOGB. By making it so CREST can do that sort of stuff. I already have it working so that CREST can update your waypoints. From within the game or do I have to alt-tab out of game to use the OOGB?
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
4124
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Posted - 2015.09.29 13:20:54 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Quote:Foxfour - We do want to kill the IBG sooner rather than later, and we're going to need the CSM's help with that. Sugar - Please do that after CSMX, and build a fallout bunker. ( From the Day 1 Meeting Minutes of the CSM summit.) An upgrade is not going to happen; instead, we should inquire how they intend to keep current functionalities working while we have to use an OOGB. By making it so CREST can do that sort of stuff. I already have it working so that CREST can update your waypoints. From within the game or do I have to alt-tab out of game to use the OOGB?
Out of game, the IGB is going to go away. There are plenty of options such as overlays and borderless window mode. I know how much people like the IGB, but it does need to go.
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Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.29 13:42:12 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote: Out of game, the IGB is going to go away. There are plenty of options such as overlays and borderless window mode. I know how much people like the IGB, but it does need to go.
Borderless window is the best invention since the wheel :)
How are you supposed to use all the good 3rd party tools if you dont tab out, (borderless) windows makes that so much better :D |
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
1947
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Posted - 2015.09.29 13:46:30 -
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Fixed window mode does not work because it's a resource hog. I tried it with just 2 active clients a while back and with my machine (W7 x64, AMD Phenom X4 840 @ 3.3 GHz, Radeon 5770, 12GB ram), EVE became unplayable with lagging, freezing, lagging, skipping commands.
But the essence is that you could technically scrap the Fullscreen mode as well as it's not feasible to have it any longer. I do not necessarily like the IGB, I only like what it does and allows. Without it, checking dotlan or other resources is impossible without alt-tabbing, which is particularly troubling for me because I check dotlan and killboards a lot with the IGB.
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Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2015.09.29 14:00:33 -
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Making borderless window wirk better is alot more realistic than trying to keep an up to date browser. Also skins are made by graphic people, not realy the people that work on the more technical parts of the client :) |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2281
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Posted - 2015.09.29 14:00:34 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Fixed window mode does not work because it's a resource hog. I tried it with just 2 active clients a while back and with my machine (W7 x64, AMD Phenom X4 840 @ 3.3 GHz, Radeon 5770, 12GB ram), EVE became unplayable with lagging, freezing, skipping commands, sub-24 FPS all the time. But the essence is that you could technically scrap the Fullscreen mode (FSM) as well as it's not feasible to have it any longer. I do not necessarily like the IGB, I only like what it does and allows. Without it, checking dotlan or other resources is impossible without alt-tabbing, which is particularly troubling for me because I check dotlan and killboards a lot with the IGB. Or, for instance, if you would eventually stop wasting time on useless stuff like SKINS and instead, for instance, improve fixed window mode so that it only applies to certain clients when one logs in. I have tried it 1 day with 1 FWM client and one FSM client and it worked more or less fine. I could even get to use that as I usually have only particular characters checking stuff in the IGB. However, the next day I tried to log in, all clients were using FWM, which in turn again made this set up unusable for me. So... just as a hint where CCP's dev resources should be funneled into instead of other stuff no one needs. And stuff I mentioned here is another problem why this whole thing bothers me. Currently, my FF window covers all the essential parts in EVE (overview, HUD, most of the visible space, center of the screen), putting me at higher risk just because I need to check some infos.
Your point are pretty much all valid except the CCP resources funnelling since the art department building the skins has probably little to do with the optimisation of a graphic mode for the client... |
Masao Kurata
Perkone Caldari State
278
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Posted - 2015.09.29 14:33:47 -
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Could you please at least implement an option now to open links in an out of game browser or disable the IGB without such a fallback implemented? Every time I accidentally click on a link instead of going through the rigmarole of copy link address, tab out, paste into address bar, I'm terrified that my computer's going to get rooted and reminded that it already might've been on any of the previous occasions I did this.
On another topic, SSO is poorly explained and I've frankly been too paranoid to use it. Yes I know the site doesn't get my account or password, but the very first thing I'm prompted with is an unadorned login screen. It doesn't say on that screen what I'm authorising the application to view or modify, how long the token will persist, whether there's any way to manually invalidate it, or even whether I am at that point authorising the app to do anything. I am never going to blindly give a webapp carte blanche especially when the capabilities of CREST are changing constantly thanks to your efforts. |
Masao Kurata
Perkone Caldari State
278
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Posted - 2015.09.29 14:47:46 -
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Actually this is getting increasingly off topic but to replace some of the basic capabilities of the current IGB without compromising everyone's security, why not register eve as a protocol with the url letting you do things that you can currently do with the javascript methods? I know you can at least do this on Windows and it's a more transparent solution than having to give applications auth tokens to do trivial things such as show info in game on an item. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
4126
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Posted - 2015.09.29 15:31:38 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:Could you please at least implement an option now to open links in an out of game browser or disable the IGB without such a fallback implemented? Every time I accidentally click on a link instead of going through the rigmarole of copy link address, tab out, paste into address bar, I'm terrified that my computer's going to get rooted and reminded that it already might've been on any of the previous occasions I did this.
Something like that is coming, hopefully this year.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
4126
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Posted - 2015.09.29 15:32:00 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:On another topic, SSO is poorly explained and I've frankly been too paranoid to use it. Yes I know the site doesn't get my account or password, but the very first thing I'm prompted with is an unadorned login screen. It doesn't say on that screen what I'm authorising the application to view or modify, how long the token will persist, whether there's any way to manually invalidate it, or even whether I am at that point authorising the app to do anything. I am never going to blindly give a webapp (which could very easily be malicious and I would have no way to tell) carte blanche especially when the capabilities of CREST are changing constantly thanks to your efforts.
Working on that as well! :)
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.09.29 15:32:53 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:Actually this is getting increasingly off topic but to replace some of the basic capabilities of the current IGB without compromising everyone's security, why not register eve as a protocol with the url letting you do things that you can currently do with the javascript methods? I know you can at least do this on Windows and it's a more transparent solution than having to give applications auth tokens to do trivial things such as show info in game on an item.
Which client does it go to? What handles that routing? How to we ensure it's secure? We thought about it but the CREST way is just better we feel.
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Darkblad
Hilf Dir selbst in EVE
2307
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Posted - 2015.09.29 17:27:14 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Something like that is coming, hopefully this year. Sad panda here, each time I see this or click on stuff like that
And whoever clicks on http://www.schildwall.info/redir/Restore_Ingame-kill-report/NICHT-IGB or maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWsfbLKzA1k&index=8&list=PLMoLFtL0X1E8YpsyoUIQG6JrnDtOSAou2 (things happen) may find their ship lost once the client returns from the time it takes to get rid of oldsomeium.
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Masao Kurata
Perkone Caldari State
278
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Posted - 2015.09.29 18:25:36 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Which client does it go to? What handles that routing? How to we ensure it's secure? We thought about it but the CREST way is just better we feel.
It goes to.. um... it's handled by er... the launcher... secure um... well I guess.... okay I didn't think through that particular suggestion properly.
Thanks for the positive responses on my other two concerns, I look forward to your announcements. |
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Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
93
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Posted - 2015.09.29 18:27:32 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Which client does it go to? What handles that routing? How to we ensure it's secure? We thought about it but the CREST way is just better we feel. It goes to.. um... it's handled by er... the launcher... secure um... well I guess.... okay I didn't think through that particular suggestion properly. Thanks for the positive responses on my other two concerns, I look forward to your announcements.
Sooner or later someone will find good answers (and many not so good) Until then we just have to stick with the way that can answer these questions for now |
DEM0N SEEKER
Aliastra Gallente Federation
748
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Posted - 2015.09.29 23:13:41 -
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about time id say |
Montgomery Black
Exit-Strategy Exit Strategy..
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Posted - 2015.09.29 23:18:53 -
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RE CREST etc replacing the IGB functionality.
As long as I can continue to use Siggy in a out of game browser on a second screen I will be happy.
If that goes away I will hate you long time.
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Methea Selenis
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.09.30 07:36:36 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Quote:Foxfour - We do want to kill the IBG sooner rather than later, and we're going to need the CSM's help with that. Sugar - Please do that after CSMX, and build a fallout bunker. ( From the Day 1 Meeting Minutes of the CSM summit.) An upgrade is not going to happen; instead, we should inquire how they intend to keep current functionalities working while we have to use an OOGB. By making it so CREST can do that sort of stuff. I already have it working so that CREST can update your waypoints. From within the game or do I have to alt-tab out of game to use the OOGB? Out of game, the IGB is going to go away. There are plenty of options such as overlays and borderless window mode. I know how much people like the IGB, but it does need to go.
Humm.. how overlay or borderless window is an answer? Yes you can have info displayed but you cannot enter info without alt-tabing. That makes all the nice tools we have hardly usable without a second monitor. Do you have stats on the percentage of players using such a setup or even having a resolution high enough to fit an additional window (it's already hard to fit all the in-game windows on one screen) ?
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
4130
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Posted - 2015.09.30 08:38:44 -
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Montgomery Black wrote:RE CREST etc replacing the IGB functionality.
As long as I can continue to use Siggy in a out of game browser on a second screen I will be happy.
If that goes away I will hate you long time.
<3
As someone who lives in wormholes, trust me I will hate myself more if I didn't make that work. :)
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
4130
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Posted - 2015.09.30 08:40:03 -
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Methea Selenis wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Quote:Foxfour - We do want to kill the IBG sooner rather than later, and we're going to need the CSM's help with that. Sugar - Please do that after CSMX, and build a fallout bunker. ( From the Day 1 Meeting Minutes of the CSM summit.) An upgrade is not going to happen; instead, we should inquire how they intend to keep current functionalities working while we have to use an OOGB. By making it so CREST can do that sort of stuff. I already have it working so that CREST can update your waypoints. From within the game or do I have to alt-tab out of game to use the OOGB? Out of game, the IGB is going to go away. There are plenty of options such as overlays and borderless window mode. I know how much people like the IGB, but it does need to go. Humm.. how overlay is an answer? Yes you can have info displayed but you cannot enter info without alt-tabing. That makes all the nice tools we have hardly usable without a second monitor. Do you have stats on the percentage of players using such a setup or even having a resolution high enough to fit an additional window for borderless windows ? (for most of us it's already hard to fit all the in-game windows on one screen!)
When I say overlay I mean something like Overwolf.
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Methea Selenis
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.09.30 11:33:36 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Methea Selenis wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:
Out of game, the IGB is going to go away. There are plenty of options such as overlays and borderless window mode. I know how much people like the IGB, but it does need to go.
Humm.. how overlay is an answer? Yes you can have info displayed but you cannot enter info without alt-tabing. That makes all the nice tools we have hardly usable without a second monitor. Do you have stats on the percentage of players using such a setup or even having a resolution high enough to fit an additional window for borderless windows ? (for most of us it's already hard to fit all the in-game windows on one screen!) When I say overlay I mean something like Overwolf.
Thanks for your answer. The tool looks great, though as I understand it will require special adaptation from the devs of the eve-tools we allready have. The big problem now is that I can't even try it because I'm on a mac. :(
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
1302
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Posted - 2015.09.30 13:02:10 -
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]Rivr Luzade wrote:Fixed window mode does not work because it's a resource hog. I tried it with just 2 active clients a while back and with my machine (W7 x64, AMD Phenom X4 840 @ 3.3 GHz, Radeon 5770, 12GB ram), EVE became unplayable with lagging, freezing, skipping commands, sub-24 FPS all the time.
I have to disagree. I run up to 3 clients on my set-up:
AMD Bulldozer Black Edition FX-6100 6-core 16GB RAM 1 x MSI GeForce GTX650Ti Boost\OC Windows 7 Home Premium x64
All with fixed windows (mainly just two but the do work) and barely dip below the required 60FPS on each client.
Edit:
I should add that two out of the three clients all run graphics settings with High (Set for Quality in the quick set) and the third with Medium. Completely stable.
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Alundil
Isogen 5
1031
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Posted - 2015.10.01 22:48:38 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote: When I say overlay I mean something like Overwolf.
If this is the way that this might be planned to handle things (and I see no EVE-related technical reasons NOT to pursue this route) do you think it's possible to reach out to the Devs for Overwolf and impress upon them the need to get their overlay working with the DX11 Eve Client? Last time I tried this (admittedly about 6 months ago I think) they still didn't have a working overlay for the DX11 Eve client and so the whole reason of installing Overwolf, using the TeamSpeak overlay functionality, was moot unless you switched the Eve client back to DX9 mode (and eww).
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3992
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Posted - 2015.10.03 13:01:03 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Masao Kurata wrote:Could you please at least implement an option now to open links in an out of game browser or disable the IGB without such a fallback implemented? Every time I accidentally click on a link instead of going through the rigmarole of copy link address, tab out, paste into address bar, I'm terrified that my computer's going to get rooted and reminded that it already might've been on any of the previous occasions I did this. Something like that is coming, hopefully this year.
Ah, so we will be able to open a webpage from inside the game? How will that work, will there be a place to paste/type the adress and there we go?
I am thinking specifically of the game help, since it's on a website. It would be cool if it was accesible from within the game, even if not with a full fledged browser.
Also would be nice to be able to play youtube videos in a window within the game.
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