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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1519
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Posted - 2015.09.21 05:37:58 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote: I agree - Wardens for long-range and Gardes for short to mid-range.
I prefer bouncers for long range as they respond better to omnis. Also I mission at Lanngisi a lot and fight a lot of Angels.
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Kitty Bear
Harbingers of Chaos Inc Gentlemen's.Club
1527
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Posted - 2015.09.21 08:41:05 -
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some nice discussion, and several varied opinions, but at the end of the day
if your objective is just killing everything on-grid a drone ship works as well as any other choice
if your objective is maximizing isk/hr ratio's a drone ship is the wrong ship
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
767
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Posted - 2015.09.21 13:56:43 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:lets drop sentries and then mwd 50km to the gate. Oh brilliant! my drones are now 50km behind me. Or you sit on your drones and then mwd 50km doing no damage.
most of the time yes you do want to use sentries, but the rattlesnake has plenty of room to bring a gecko, and it is a nice tool to have. for missions in brawl range, or when you have to travel.
Newbs used to force their drakes into running level 4s, now it seems even easier with the gila.
TBH, the Gila has always been able to do L4s. I used one 5 years ago when it used 5 heavies or sentries. It's passive tank hasn't really changed that much.
Although, I prefer the Ishtar for L4 mission running. Is it optimal? No, but with proper drone management I don't have to pay for ammo. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
402
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Posted - 2015.09.21 14:00:38 -
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The gila shines as a ship that is able to run most lv4 missions on a relatively low skilled character (dont need HML, Heavies or sentries or battleship hulls/guns) that is can use while it's training for a proper mission boat. |
Yolli Sly
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.09.23 12:44:02 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:The gila shines as a ship that is able to run most lv4 missions on a relatively low skilled character (dont need HML, Heavies or sentries or battleship hulls/guns) that is can use while it's training for a proper mission boat.
This
If you sell 1 PLEX, you can fly Gila after one week training.
Gila, according to me, is most flexible ship in the game for now (current re-balance). Gila can be fit active or passive or mixed mod, brawler, sniper, missile or mixed or pure drone boat, lvl 2-4, for exploration, hi, low, PvP etc.
Gila, hands down, pays every ISK spend and shines more and more with every SP invested in. |
Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2015.11.14 21:09:57 -
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BUMP
update, I hade few weeks break from eve due to real life issues and I came back today... meanwhile various skills upgraded so I took my gila for a spin on L4.
using T2 stuff and faction mods (those cheap ones which cost less hen 25m each) I did Cargo delivery (serpentis) and Guristas extravaganza. both L4. I'm using rlml II with fury missiles.
and I have to say this ship is a beast... It tanked better then any bs I've did L4s with... they ship just annhilated everything from BS (using drones mainly) to small frigates (using the rlml). also any cruiser scale ship can't survive against the gila more then few seconds.. even BC.
wow this is fun.....
done in timely manner and I don't have T2 drones yet still using faction ones, can't imagine how superb it will be with maxed skills and t2 drones. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
555
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Posted - 2015.11.14 21:14:34 -
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Yup, Gila is one insane boat no doubt.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
235
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Posted - 2015.11.15 01:54:45 -
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Forum Toon wrote:BUMP
update, I hade few weeks break from eve due to real life issues and I came back today... meanwhile various skills upgraded so I took my gila for a spin on L4.
using T2 stuff and faction mods (those cheap ones which cost less hen 25m each) I did Cargo delivery (serpentis) and Guristas extravaganza. both L4. I'm using rlml II with fury missiles.
and I have to say this ship is a beast... It tanked better then any bs I've did L4s with... this ship just annihilated everything from BS (using drones mainly) to small frigates (using the rlml). also any cruiser scale ship can't survive against the gila more then few seconds.. even BC.
wow this is fun.....
done in timely manner and I don't have T2 drones yet still using faction ones, can't imagine how superb it will be with maxed skills and t2 drones.
Your Gila has been targeted by CCP's nerf bat.......
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
2025
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Posted - 2015.11.15 03:40:18 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:lets drop sentries and then mwd 50km to the gate. Oh brilliant! my drones are now 50km behind me. Or you sit on your drones and then mwd 50km doing no damage.
most of the time yes you do want to use sentries, but the rattlesnake has plenty of room to bring a gecko, and it is a nice tool to have. for missions in brawl range, or when you have to travel.
Newbs used to force their drakes into running level 4s, now it seems even easier with the gila. TBH, the Gila has always been able to do L4s. I used one 5 years ago when it used 5 heavies or sentries. It's passive tank hasn't really changed that much. Although, I prefer the Ishtar for L4 mission running. Is it optimal? No, but with proper drone management I don't have to pay for ammo. it has, although back then I preferred to use the ishtar, was pretty easy to pull full room aggro and go afk. It is also very possible I underestimated the potential passive+speed tank on the gila while using something pretty similar on the ishtar.
These days I would think the Gila would be even better than it used to. and the huge tank on the drones can take some of the damage off of the ship.
Gila is losing a lowslot, which is indeed a nerf but overall shouldn't change a lot.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4744
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Posted - 2015.11.15 04:12:32 -
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One has to admit it has the coolness factor (the Serenity "look" from Firefly) going for it as well, even if it is getting nerfed.
Forum Toon wrote:wow this is fun..... And you know what, that's exactly the point to fly it.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2015.11.17 16:06:18 -
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ok I'm not a pro but this is really weird.
I flew in the past many types of ships in L4s (loads of T1 BS from various races), Legion, Faction BS and some BC.
Not single ship had such a massive tank, vesitlity (means it can handle any enemy size and any damage profile + most Ewar) and damage like this Gila.
I chew BS like they are nothing, I ignore anything smaller then BS as nuisance..... Also did Reacon L4 vs guristas earlier... 1 of 3 missions on first pocket..... at some point (i killed all the small ships first and left the BS for last as they never hit me anyway...) I was vs 5 Battleships (those stronger versions ones with the 1.2 bounty).
I really can't wait to try something with mass of ships like blockade or something like that. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4746
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Posted - 2015.11.17 19:51:47 -
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You're going to be losing a low slot and CPU in December, so it won't be quite as op.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2015.11.17 20:05:19 -
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my 4th low slot have power diagnostic unit from the days I had lower skills and less cap to run stable with all hardeners and AB running.
I can toss it without regrets.
still I'm finding myself letting drones go on aggressive killing everything while I read a book or something... this is really much more easier then BS on L4s so far. and much more fun. |
Z'ko
Gekutami Scorpions
3
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Posted - 2015.11.17 20:21:08 -
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Drake used to be that. Well tanky. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1651
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Posted - 2015.11.17 22:50:40 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:
Your Gila has been targeted by CCP's nerf bat.......
Indeed, next month, though its basically just losing one low slot (you will probably recover most of the small CPU nerf back when you drop the low slot mod).
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4746
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Posted - 2015.11.18 02:01:14 -
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Geckos always get themselves into trouble...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
642
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Posted - 2015.11.18 15:49:21 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Drones do ~600 dps @ 60km This is oth false and it is true. False - medium drones are not capable of shooting 60km so at that range they have 0(zero) dps.
True - yes they can go oout 60km and yes once they get there they can do 600dps. The real issue is the travel time for them to get there and while that does not decrease the paper dps it does significantly reduce the effective dps.
My suggestion as you skill towards the Rattle is to fly a Raven or Navy Raven. ALL of the skills you train for them are needed for the Rattle, and both of them can be better Lvl 4 mission ships than the Gila.
The GIla can and does work for level 4's however they are not the best options even as a stop gap between now and the Rattle. The only thing that would alter this is ISK or more appropriately a lack of ISK to buy and fit a Raven or Navy Raven if you already on the Gila.
In the end BS and Marauders are the go to ships for level 4 missions for some very solid reasons, mainly that the weapons range and dps output capabilities make them more effective and therefore faster to complete missions than the smaller, faster and more agile ships like the Gila.
A side note to speed. If completing lvl 4 missions as quickly as possible (blitzing) is what you want then forget the Rattle and skill for the Machariel. |
Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2015.11.18 23:02:35 -
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well just did storyline called Crowd control vs gallente. they had in there LOADS of cruisers \ BC and BS. didn't made a scratch on my shields... usual trick of kill the small ones first then annihilate all battleships. |
Yolli Sly
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2015.11.20 15:04:25 -
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Forum Toon wrote:well just did storyline called Crowd control vs gallente. they had in there LOADS of cruisers \ BC and BS. didn't made a scratch on my shields... usual trick of kill the small ones first then annihilate all battleships.
EDIT: L4 Angels extravaganza/ easiest thing ever. almost 90% resist on kinetic and explosive. frigs were 1 shot killed by drones and everything else melted.
Just beware not to get webbed. If you keep moving you in safe. Drop MTU or choose wreck, orbit at 5 km and live your drones to do their work. Menage them, because they tend to choose the most distant next target. Kill all frigates first, even they are triggers. Only mission in which you are in danger is "World Collide" - Gurista part, because there are too many webbing frigates. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
870
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Posted - 2015.11.20 15:49:01 -
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Yolli Sly wrote:Forum Toon wrote:well just did storyline called Crowd control vs gallente. they had in there LOADS of cruisers \ BC and BS. didn't made a scratch on my shields... usual trick of kill the small ones first then annihilate all battleships.
EDIT: L4 Angels extravaganza/ easiest thing ever. almost 90% resist on kinetic and explosive. frigs were 1 shot killed by drones and everything else melted. Just beware not to get webbed. If you keep moving you in safe. Drop MTU or choose wreck, orbit at 5 km and live your drones to do their work. Menage them, because they tend to choose the most distant next target. Kill all frigates first, even they are triggers. Only mission in which you are in danger is "World Collide" - Gurista part, because there are too many webbing frigates.
Pfft. Just take along a mobile depot and some warp stabs, or a mobile jump drive. |
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12982
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Posted - 2015.11.20 17:45:38 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Geckos always get themselves into trouble...
Which is why I Gecko Tank.
Probably shouldn't have said that in public, now CCP might real what Gecko + Rattlesnake Drone EHP bonuses + Drone Durability Rigs ends you up with
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
2061
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Posted - 2015.11.20 18:20:55 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Geckos always get themselves into trouble... Which is why I Gecko Tank. Probably shouldn't have said that in public, now CCP might real what Gecko + Rattlesnake Drone EHP bonuses + Drone Durability Rigs ends you up with I was playing around with a navy drone + drone HP rig gila in EFT.... didn't even think to look at a rattler with a gecko
@ChainsawPlankto
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12984
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Posted - 2015.11.20 18:35:11 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Geckos always get themselves into trouble... Which is why I Gecko Tank. Probably shouldn't have said that in public, now CCP might real what Gecko + Rattlesnake Drone EHP bonuses + Drone Durability Rigs ends you up with I was playing around with a navy drone + drone HP rig gila in EFT.... didn't even think to look at a rattler with a gecko
I've actually used the fit I'm about to link. Cap stable with everything but the remote rep on, the Gecko is still faster, but I wouldn't need to remote rep it much before everything in the room was dead. It cleared rooms almost TOO fast. The pilot also have a cpu implant and a partial mid grade crystal set. It even has a nice cap stable tank and 100k+ ehp.
MWD always on and 'snake set to approach the gecko means i'm never out of rep range long.
[Rattlesnake, GECKOTANKER] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Capacitor Flux Coil II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Core X-Type 500MN Microwarpdrive Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Large S95a Remote Shield Booster Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Large Drone Durability Enhancer II Large Drone Durability Enhancer I Large Drone Durability Enhancer I
Gecko x2 Gecko x1
11k on them drone shields. i got Battlecruisers with smaller shields :) |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
871
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Posted - 2015.11.20 18:37:11 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Geckos always get themselves into trouble... Which is why I Gecko Tank. Probably shouldn't have said that in public, now CCP might real what Gecko + Rattlesnake Drone EHP bonuses + Drone Durability Rigs ends you up with I was playing around with a navy drone + drone HP rig gila in EFT.... didn't even think to look at a rattler with a gecko
Damn, about 37k HP for the Gecko when you use 2 T2 Drone Durability Enhancer Rig. It is basically like deploying a T2 cruiser. |
Paranoid Loyd
7512
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Posted - 2015.11.20 18:44:23 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:11k on them drone shields. i got Battlecruisers with smaller shields :) Osmium says 12.5K. That is hilarious. You have more raw HPs on your Geckos than your Rattlesnake.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12986
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Posted - 2015.11.20 18:51:08 -
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"Gecko Tanking" Trademark Jenn aSide industries 2015, everytime you use the fit you gotta send me 0.1 isk, it's the law |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
871
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Posted - 2015.11.20 19:08:26 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:"Gecko Tanking" Trademark Jenn aSide industries 2015, everytime you use the fit you gotta send me 0.1 isk, it's the law
Only if you can enforce it! |
Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2015.11.20 21:52:02 -
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for worlds collide just use the RLML for the frigs it ain't that hard.
Also I was surprised at how good the medium drones were vs the spider drones.
At any rate this L4 in gila is way too easy I think I'll convert myself to exploration and try to see how far into null sec I can get without dying... |
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