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PKlavins
Caldari 3rdlane Industries Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.20 19:09:00 -
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Hello all, a friend of mine was taking a look at the EVE ships (he doesn't play EVE, but he is a starship fanatic) and he noticed something about Titans. Here is what he said; He hopes that he is making all the correct calculations and is not about to make a big fool of himself. Word to him.
Thanks Pklavins. Now, we all know abuot Titans - beautiful (drool), giant, 15km long moving (this is important) stations. Now, there is a certain aspect of Physics that could make a Titan very dangerous to any ship flying nearby, in the same direction of the Titan. Most notably this would affect battleships, because they are big, but still puny compared to a Titan.
Now, how many here understand electromagnetics? Not to offend anyone, I just don't know whether my terminology will end up being too simplistic, or too complex. Anyways, we all know (of course) that the Earth (and many other planets) have an electromagnetic fields. These fields are composed of imaginary flux lines. Cutting this lines induces e.m.f, electro-motive force. The direction of this e.m.f. can be derived from the direction of the field lines and the direction of movement of the mass.
Ergo, a somewhat large mass moving through uniform field lines will make any electrons taht are able to move (most notably in metals) to move in a direction, creating an unbalanced charge across the object. This is basically the macro version of dipole-dipole behaviour in atoms, only at a MUCH larger scale.
Where these electrons move is derived by Fleming's (spelt right?) Right Hand Rule. If you place your thumb, first finger and middle finger at right angles to each other, the thumb represents the movement of the mass, the first finger (which should be pointing straight ahead) represents the magnetic field, and the middle finger represents the current, or movement of electrons.
So where does all this lead to. Well, a Titan, a notably large thing, is it where to move even slightly fast....errr...I dunno, Titans in EVE move at 60m/s right? Well, anyways, that large mother of a ship would cut the field lines of any planet with an electromagnetic field it was close to. And, judging by it's size...it would cut an awful lot of them.
So, lets take the most enjoyable example. A Titan passes by a large planet with a strong electromagnetic field. Escorting it is a battleship, flying between it and the planet. They both are moving in the same direction, but at their normal speeds (a battleship would fly faster than a Titan). They both cut the flux lines. The Titan, 15km long and quite wide and high, cuts a massive amount and builds up an awful amount of charge on, say, it's starboard side. There is a very negative charge on the starboard side, and a very positive charge to port. The Titan's overall charge is still zero though.
The battleship, moving faster, still cuts a lot of flux lines, and therefore builds up a nice negative charge on its starboard side and a positive charge on its portside. Being a big ship, these charged areas are still quite far apart.
What's to the side of the positive portside of the battleship? Well, the negatively charged starboard side of the Titan. Well, we all know that opposites attract. Guess where this goes.
The battleship crew finds itself very rudely awakened from their repose as they find themselves diverted from their course and thrown with rather brutish force into the Titan. Whoops.
In summary, for those of you who couldn't bother to read the above - Titans, moving through em fields with escorts, become giant electromagnets. The resulting situation can be extremely embarassing.
Now, I hope I got that right.
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St Dragon
Blood Association of Dragons
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Posted - 2006.12.20 19:14:00 -
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Nice post not sure if its right tho but nice anyway.
Oh just to point out titans are 40km long not 15. -----------------------------------------------
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darklegionca
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.20 19:16:00 -
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lol awesome titan magnets ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend. |
Agrias Hellion
Pitbull Industries Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.12.20 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Agrias Hellion on 20/12/2006 19:23:10
I remember reading something before titans were introduced that they were far too large to orbit planets or come into proximity of them. Will have a looksie see if I can find it.
Found it, it is from the Chronicles:
Their mind-boggling mass can cause small ships to become trapped in the gravity bow-wave before them. A few of these vessels are massive enough that their presence affects planetary tidal patterns. One notable incident occurred on the small agricultural world of Goral, where a Gallente Titan moving into orbit caused an abrupt shift in tides, which flooded crop fields and farmland. The decrease in food production meant that the entire system, which depended on Goral for food stock, had to be supplied by merchants or face starvation. Since then, Titan navigation systems have been programmed with fail-safes to prevent them from approaching a planet so closely. My new sig! Yes I need practice! http://eve-files.com/dl/76459 Your first pratice lesson: Please resize your sig to 400*120 pixels <yoda>Keep it within forum limits, you must</yoda> E-mail us with any questions. -ReverendM ([email protected]) |
Marcus TheMartin
Gallente MAFIA Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.20 19:24:00 -
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Zautechre
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2006.12.20 19:29:00 -
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Similiar to how large ships that travel the oceans need to be degaussed? I can see it. ;)
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Elvarien
Caldari The Night's Watch THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.12.20 19:30:00 -
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that`d be funny to watch in a fleet battle .. fleet 1 wwarps in ready with cap ships and the whole lot .. fleet 2 in surprise jumps in a titan with cap escorts wich .. a moment later looks like a cluttered ball of shipwrecks compressed together ... down goes several 100 bil isk .... okay perhaps not that funny. i`d pay for a fraps though ;D
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Serianant
Gallente Genos Occidere Edge of Sanity
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Posted - 2006.12.20 19:39:00 -
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I don't think CCP are gonna pay THAT much attention to Physics
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FosterK
Caldari Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.20 19:48:00 -
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Awesome. Titans could effectively be the centre of a transformer, one of them 'join together' jobbies, with the rest of the fleet being the rest of the transformer!
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Har Ganeth
STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.20 19:54:00 -
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No resultant charge will build up, because it's a metal. It will just be neutral.
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Unemployed
Caldari Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.12.20 19:55:00 -
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Or like a giant Titan Borg Cube that just devours enemy ships as they are pulled into it's gravity.. bwahaha
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Har Ganeth
STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.20 19:57:00 -
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See Gauss' law.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2006.12.20 19:57:00 -
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The effects you decribe will be negligible compared to the power of the ships' maneuvering thrusters, and the far more serious issue of induced currents in the internal metalwork of the Titan, especially considering the likely prevalence of continuous structural members within its hull.
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Entilzah Valen
Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.20 20:01:00 -
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Inductive kick ftl :( _________________________________________________________
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Ikvar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.20 20:03:00 -
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That's an awfully long post to write about how the physics in a spaceship computer game are wrong.
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WredStorm
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.12.20 20:25:00 -
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The answer is really quite simple, I'm surprised no one has already mentioned this:
1) Ship's shields simply divert the magnetic fields around the ship, thus no lines are cut.
2) Even when the shields go down, the incredible metal tritanium has a similar effect.
So, there ya's go... every Starship Physics 101 text describes this effect in great detail. I'd be happy to sell you copies of the book for a few billion isk if you're interested.
Wred
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CDS Leader
Caldari Eve Forum Warriors
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Posted - 2006.12.20 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: CDS Leader on 20/12/2006 20:29:42 Ships in eve are programed to simulate underwater insted of space, thus this thread has no meaning. Join Eve Forum Warriors Free Wardecs on Alliances! A Pirates Dream! |
Twin blade
Minmatar The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: CDS Leader Edited by: CDS Leader on 20/12/2006 20:29:42 Ships in eve are programed to simulate underwater insted of space, thus this thread has no meaning.
OMG space is full of water how come they have not put a Sun out.
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Pellaeon DuGalle
Caldari Deep Black Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:19:00 -
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Well it would explain Minmater Titans. Heh. I knew those barbarians didn't have the technology to make a real Titan!
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Raste
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jeff Megall Probably. But it's an easy fix. One line of dialogue. 'Thank God we invented the... you know, whatever device.'
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:43:00 -
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Nice read. Though no offense, I hate to burst the bubble but...
EVE is a game, after all, and you can only go so far in realism before it starts becoming a detriment to the fun factor.
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:48:00 -
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some things are just too realistic for games to implement
....atleast until physics processors are commonplace in the average PC! (and its moving in that direction)
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:50:00 -
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wow we must be bored
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.21 00:02:00 -
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The point of the OP is kinda moot, since EVE doesn't use newtonian physics anyways, the ships are maneuvered by some weird tech thrusters (there's a chronicle somewhere). So, well, there's little use in trying to apply conventional physics to them. -----
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Dmian
Gallente Starline Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.21 00:06:00 -
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Hahahahaha! Katamari Titans!!!!!!!
D.
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Soporo
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Posted - 2006.12.21 00:08:00 -
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Quote: One notable incident occurred on the small agricultural world of Goral, where a Gallente Titan moving into orbit caused an abrupt shift in tides, which flooded crop fields and farmland.
Lol, sucks to be a dirt farmer I guess. Damn Gallentes, I knew they were trouble, beating up on helpless farmers.
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Reiisha
Satal's Legion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.21 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: St Dragon Nice post not sure if its right tho but nice anyway.
Oh just to point out titans are 40km long not 15.
Hate to dissapoint you, but the Ragnarok, the longest one, is only 18km long.
Check the RMR Ship Chart for the exact size. The Eifeltower in the lower left corner is exactly 300 meters tall, and the Naglfar is exactly 5km tall. Titans aren't that big.
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Scorpyn
Caldari The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2006.12.21 00:16:00 -
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So, in theory, everybody would be forced to use minmatar ships close to titans?
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.21 00:35:00 -
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18km is a huge object still tho, but relatively small in practicality. I cant imagine it would have more than an extremely weak GRAVITATIONAL pull. but what he says about it being a huge electromagnet is true IF the titan's metal alloids are not considered. im sure this far in the future its been considered, and the metal does not attract this electromagneticity
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Kerushi
Caldari BIG R i s e
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Posted - 2006.12.21 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: Kerushi on 21/12/2006 00:50:44
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: St Dragon Nice post not sure if its right tho but nice anyway.
Oh just to point out titans are 40km long not 15.
Hate to dissapoint you, but the Ragnarok, the longest one, is only 18km long.
Check the RMR Ship Chart for the exact size. The Eifeltower in the lower left corner is exactly 300 meters tall, and the Naglfar is exactly 5km tall. Titans aren't that big.
they`re big enough to whipe out a planet if they crash into 1
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