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Shadrin
Gallente Girlfriend Thieves Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.20 22:44:00 -
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I'm finally able to afford an HAC. So now a days for lvl 4 missions, what's favored and why? I have a Dominix which works really well for LVL 4s, so I'm leaning towards Deimos because it would be different and probably more fun than watching drones murder things. ------------------------------------ Shadrin CEO, Girlfriend Thieves Inc. Recruiting information |
Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.20 22:51:00 -
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Deimos is bad for missions and so-so for PVP. Blasters are a pain to work with, on the otherhand the Ishtar outshines the Deimos in both PVP and PVE.
The tank is comparable, and it's operating range is very nice as well.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:21:00 -
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Deimos + deadspace = recipe for disaster. Ishtar + deadspace = stick to your Dominix.
In short, don't do missions in a Gallente HAC. Leave that to Cerbs.
Now, 0.0 ratting is where a Deimos really shines and PvP is where the Ishtar comes to its full potential. In the end, however, the Gallente HAC's are kinda obsolete especially considering you can get 4 fitted and insured Myrmidon's for the price of one fitted Ishtar...
Originally by: "Cy4n1d3"
You can't PVP with 4 mids.
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.21 00:07:00 -
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Hmm. What about a rail Deimos for deadspace?
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Clipped Wings
Gallente LFC Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.21 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Vasiliyan Hmm. What about a rail Deimos for deadspace?
Not entirely enough grid for rails, 'sides, you'll be missing out on its MWD bonus.
It does have one more lowslot than the Ishtar, but Ishtar has 2 more meds for cap recharge (assuming you won't be running a cap injector-fed tank).
Also, drones don't use ammo ;)
-Clipped Wings of LFC
"I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man."
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Nines Tslaruk
Minmatar The JORG Corporation Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.21 04:06:00 -
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I can't speak for missions, but as far as pvp, you cannot say one is better than the other in all situations. The ishtar can tank better than the deimos, and therefore hold its own better in solo pvp. However, the deimos is much better than the ishtar in small gang pvp, due to its speed and ability to run a full tackle. It has a higher dps than an ishtar and has more of a gank feel that works well in small gang pvp. It just depends on your style and whether or not you actually know how to fly the ship. ------------------- TJORG Customer Service Department:
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.12.21 05:26:00 -
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Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 21/12/2006 05:33:47 how do you people can compare Ishtar with Myrmidon? its just plain silly.. why myrm sucks to Ishtar: 1. sig radius. Ishtar's 2 times smaller. this means that Ishtar takes next to NO damage from npc battleships. 2. drone variety. you can take 1 a set of heavy, sentry, medium and light drones. plus some extra if you bothered with HAC V. 3. speed and agility. Ishtar is very mobile with afterburner. speed and sig makes tanking very easy. 3. resistances... alsoi help tanking alot. 93% resists on gallente "racial enemy" so to say, Serp/Caldari that is. I mean Thermal/Kinetic.
pluses of myrmidon? 1. damage bonus is 10% instead of 5%. 2. you can fit some turrets to help your DPS. however Domi can fit more of them. 3. rep bonus .. well it doesn't play big part, I mean, if you fit dual rep tank on Domi, you get much more even without bonus...
Overall on the OP's question, I'd say this - I agree Deimos is kind of pointless for missions. Even if you could tank with it, your dps would be laughable. And you can't trank well and have good dps at the same time, which is what you'd want for missions... while you can fit Ishtar for tank and have drones for dps. however since ishtar has its bonus nerfed, its damage output is also not good enough. Of course you will be able to kill everything. However it takes too much time. See even if you'd think that about 75 dps difference (375 Ishtar's vs 450 from Domi/Myrm) is not that big, in reality the time to destroy each NPC BS/Elite frig increases more than that, because it's harder to break their tank. if your dps is more than their tank for these 75 dps you lost with Ishtar, then this is beatable vs unbeatable tank for example. Hope it makes sense...
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.12.21 05:46:00 -
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Note that the Ishtar drone bonus apparently got fixed quietly in Revelations, so it does 125% => 150% = 20% more damage now.
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Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
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Posted - 2006.12.21 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shadrin I'm finally able to afford an HAC. So now a days for lvl 4 missions, what's favored and why? I have a Dominix which works really well for LVL 4s, so I'm leaning towards Deimos because it would be different and probably more fun than watching drones murder things.
The Deimos sucks in deadspace pve, is *very* good for open space pve, and is not worth its price for pvp.
Get an Ishtar (and make a setup where you can run your ab+tank forever).
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BOldMan
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.21 08:39:00 -
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I have galente spec top max and deimos and isthar still suck. domi>isthar, deimos best bate ship in eve.
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.12.21 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 21/12/2006 10:15:12
Originally by: Pan Crastus Note that the Ishtar drone bonus apparently got fixed quietly in Revelations, so it does 125% => 150% = 20% more damage now.
yeah I just tested it on singularity by destructing the freighter with 5 ogre IIs in Ishtar and then in Domi. I have lvl4 Gal BS. dps on hull calculated by qf log analyzer (I stripped the part before hull from logs) domi - 424.72 dmg/sec ishtar - 476.92 dmg/sec
so yeah it's full 10% bonus now, at least on the test server.
btw if you want to do missions in ishtar consider using peroxide large cap battery. it makes it possible to run everything you want forever...
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slothe
Caldari Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.21 11:12:00 -
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dominix is better than both the deimos and ishtar in any role you can think of.
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.12.21 12:56:00 -
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it is much easier to tank a dozen of battleships in ishtar than in the domi. you fly around at 1000 m/s and they never hit you. if they are missile BS then you repair it all easily with 1 med rep without needing those ugly cap boosters.
also when they fix the bug with drones visible in deadspaces, ishtar will be harder to scan for as it has only 150 m signature.
to conclude, ishtar is better than domi for pve (missions), though maybe you are posting to discourage potential buyers, indeed prices are already high enough...
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.21 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: slothe dominix is better than both the deimos and ishtar in any role you can think of.
Lies. Ishtar is much better at missions -----
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