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Drathen Durelion
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.09.24 02:15:31 -
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So i started to look for groups to see what kind of things are going on in the different parts of space, and what i found is pretty disturbing.
I'm not distrubed by the fact that some of these partake in ganking, kamikazing, and in general trying to eat over the weak and the PVEers.
What makes me uneasy is when you read their intro messages and their discussions and terms, etc. They speak as if they were gods, or heroes, omniscient beings of supreme power or something.
Their speech at time can be compared to ***/Nazi preaching...
I mean...what the hell? That is advanced batshit insane stuff right there.
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Raffael Ramirez
Alcohol Fuelled The Marmite Collective
4
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Posted - 2015.09.24 02:24:05 -
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Drathen Durelion wrote:So i started to look for groups to see what kind of things are going on in the different parts of space, and what i found is pretty disturbing.
I'm not distrubed by the fact that some of these partake in ganking, kamikazing, and in general trying to eat over the weak and the PVEers.
What makes me uneasy is when you read their intro messages and their discussions and terms, etc. They speak as if they were gods, or heroes, omniscient beings of supreme power or something.
Their speech at time can be compared to ***/Nazi preaching...
I mean...what the hell? That is advanced batshit insane stuff right there.
I agree, most citizens in this Universe are insane egomaniacs , but usually when you talk to them outside of eve they turn out to be mostly good/fun ppl (the minority is actually insane). See it as a Role playing thing - everyone can be what they want to be.
Most of us choose to be insane, power hungry dicks - go figure.
I often found, once I was accepted into their Corp/Alliance/Circles and started to contribute, ppl usually mellow down a lot, especially PvPers. |
Loutro Fift
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2015.09.24 02:31:32 -
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Messiah complex. This is why there are laws in RL.
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Memphis Baas
585
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Posted - 2015.09.24 02:44:10 -
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"Online interactions (cannot be) regulated."
People are always looking for recognition or fame, and will resort to shocking statements or roleplay to acquire it. Partly because EVE is quite an obscure unknown little game as far as the world and the internet are concerned, and partly because smacktalk and crazy are much less effort than actually becoming so good at PVP that you gain equivalent recognition. |
Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
102
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Posted - 2015.09.24 02:57:22 -
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Sounds like you ran into CODE. They create content ,although some question their methods/style. The rest of us merely act messianic at times.
To buck the popular trend, I began to Rage Start instead of Rage Quit.
...and every time I get another piece of Carbon, I know exactly what CCP is getting this Christmas.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
52038
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Posted - 2015.09.24 03:36:02 -
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Welcome to Eve, the place where you can be what you want to be.
Or so they say.
Don't judge the game due to some fanatical group of players who think they are the chosen ones. There's actually quite a few helpful players in-game, they're just not very vocal.
Anyway, I hope you have a long rewarding career here and above all else, lot's of fun.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
897
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Posted - 2015.09.24 04:07:52 -
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Drathen Durelion wrote:So i started to look for groups to see what kind of things are going on in the different parts of space, and what i found is pretty disturbing.
I'm not distrubed by the fact that some of these partake in ganking, kamikazing, and in general trying to eat over the weak and the PVEers.
What makes me uneasy is when you read their intro messages and their discussions and terms, etc. They speak as if they were gods, or heroes, omniscient beings of supreme power or something.
Their speech at time can be compared to ***/Nazi preaching...
I mean...what the hell? That is advanced batshit insane stuff right there.
You mean CODE? Eh they're alright. Not good fighters but pretty decent organization. PS all EVE players are baby seal clubbers.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1767
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Posted - 2015.09.24 04:27:23 -
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Drathen Durelion wrote:What makes me uneasy is when you read their intro messages and their discussions and terms, etc. They speak as if they were gods, or heroes, omniscient beings of supreme power or something.
Their speech at time can be compared to ***/Nazi preaching...
I mean...what the hell? That is advanced batshit insane stuff right there.
Either I haven't drank that flavor of Kool-aid, or I am the problem. Now bow to me mortal!
@ChainsawPlankto
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Leto Thule
Lazerhawks
3627
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Posted - 2015.09.24 04:31:40 -
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Drathen Durelion wrote:So i started to look for groups to see what kind of things are going on in the different parts of space, and what i found is pretty disturbing.
I'm not distrubed by the fact that some of these partake in ganking, kamikazing, and in general trying to eat over the weak and the PVEers.
What makes me uneasy is when you read their intro messages and their discussions and terms, etc. They speak as if they were gods, or heroes, omniscient beings of supreme power or something.
Their speech at time can be compared to ***/Nazi preaching...
I mean...what the hell? That is advanced batshit insane stuff right there.
Welcome to the game, and please don't judge the person behind the capsule. Remember you are playing a game, and calling people who do things you may dislike at first (I say at first because if you stick with the game, you'll learn otherwise, trust me) psychos and whatnot is just like getting shot at in call of duty and claiming the other guy is insane.
First, please don't try to cordon yourself or anyone else into the "pvper" or "pve-er" stigma. Both styles of play are required to both be successful and to have a good time playing the game. Every pvp group needs pve to purchase their ships, unless they plex or are totally funded by wardec money like some merc corps. There is nothing wrong with making ISK. On the flip, there is nothing wrong with attacking other players, even those whom do not wish to fight.
I fly with some gankers, thieves, and other kind of bad guys on occasion, and I can assure you they aren't the kind of bad people in real life you think they are. Some of the guys like to play up the RP, and that's cool too.
Just remember its a game. Become accustomed to losing ships. Ships are ammo. Once you accept this, the game is much more fun, and you will have a better time playing it. Trust me.
Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1526
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Posted - 2015.09.24 04:43:32 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Drathen Durelion wrote:So i started to look for groups to see what kind of things are going on in the different parts of space, and what i found is pretty disturbing.
I'm not distrubed by the fact that some of these partake in ganking, kamikazing, and in general trying to eat over the weak and the PVEers.
What makes me uneasy is when you read their intro messages and their discussions and terms, etc. They speak as if they were gods, or heroes, omniscient beings of supreme power or something.
Their speech at time can be compared to ***/Nazi preaching...
I mean...what the hell? That is advanced batshit insane stuff right there.
You mean CODE? Eh they're alright. Not good fighters but pretty decent organization. PS all EVE players are baby seal clubbers.
Yeah glorified carebears attacking NPC controlled autopilot freighters which is apparently "PvP" because a player owns the freighter :D
They are OK though, and serve a useful purpose keeping the other carebears that admit they are carebears honest.
That said, EVE does have a tendency to attract the sociopathic.
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Remi Renaud
Outbound Confederation
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Posted - 2015.09.24 06:45:37 -
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I've spoken to plenty of players in the few months that I've been playing and while I don't doubt that there are a few awful ones out there, I've never had the misfortune of encountering one myself.
Most players are decent guys and gals who are playing EVE to have fun just like everyone else.
My first death was when I bravely stumbled into a wormhole owned by the followers of Bob, neglected to bookmark my exit, and proceeded to ninja-loot an already cleared relic-site *while* the players were still in it.
I proceeded to a Customs Office while I pondered how to get back to High Sec and promptly got blown up by a stealth bomber they called in.
I then got an email from the pilot gloating about how I had been sacrificed to the greater glory of Bob and how my frozen corpse would be put up on display as a warning to the unfaithful. Pretty standard RP stuff.
So I replied back with how I'd try better not to get caught next time.
The pilot then dropped the RP and congratulated me on going wormhole diving in a 2 week old toon, gave me advice on how to do better next time, and compensated me for twice what my ship was worth (pocket change to any long time player of course, but a big deal for me at the time).
I still haven't stopped having fun with the people here. |
Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
37581
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Posted - 2015.09.24 09:27:55 -
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Drathen Durelion wrote:omniscient beings of supreme power or something.
Checking in, sir.
The Banana stands ready to take your psychoanalysis at your leisure.
n-â fruít-¦-âwl lík-ö h-âm-ö =ƒìî
Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
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Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2015.09.24 12:04:33 -
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Well, we in CODE don't like to call ourselves heroes, we're far too humble for all that. But we do acknowledge that we have done many great and heroic deeds, and we accept that others think that we are heroes. |
Syeed Ameer Ali
Evil Murder Society
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Posted - 2015.09.24 12:52:18 -
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As I understand it, the "RP" in MMORPG stands for "role-playing". Role-playing games are about pretending to be somebody you're not in real life, and about creating a compelling and entertaining story that people will want to immerse themselves in. If the plot of the story was "One day we all undocked in spaceships and did good, clean, industrious things, and nobody shat in the swimming pool and everyone lived happily ever after," then you wouldn't have much of a plot to keep you interested.
Every good story needs a villain. Some of us, as a public service to the community, are happy to play that role in order to make EVE more fun for everybody. This playstyle is pretty fun and often hilarious, to the extent that some of us even enjoy making comedic, ironic websites about it, for the entertainment of our friends and well-wishers. Occasionally one such as OP comes along and reads one of these websites and takes everything literally, assuming that the players involved are legitimate psychopaths and a danger to their real-world communities. This is the funniest thing of all about being an EVE villain. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1439
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Posted - 2015.09.24 13:06:06 -
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Welcome to eve |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
3211
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Posted - 2015.09.24 13:12:02 -
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EVE Online is a role playing game. You should not be surprised when you find people playing their roles. |
Cherri Minoa
IronPig Sev3rance
102
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Posted - 2015.09.24 13:29:01 -
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EVE is a highly dystopian universe, and sociopathic behaviour is not merely tolerated but encouraged and applauded. It's a role playing game - regardless of whether you call yourself an RPer or not, you are playing a role - and 99% of the time the deplorable behaviour you see is really just role play. For the other 1% that are genuinely nasty and cross the line with racism, sexism, bigotry, real life threats etc., CCP wll take action.
Having said that, the EVE community is a very good one, but it plays hardball. You are expected to have a thick skin, and if you don't already have one, it's a good idea to start growing it.
"If I had been censured every time I have run my ship, or fleets under my command, into great danger, I should have long ago been out of the Service" - Horatio Nelson
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Cidanel Afuran
Chickenhawk.
239
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Posted - 2015.09.24 13:46:42 -
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The #1 need in anyone's life is the desire to feel important. If someone can get that warm fuzzy feeling in a video game, they will.
We are all egomaniacs at heart. It's human nature. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
408
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Posted - 2015.09.24 14:36:45 -
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Wait, aren't you Amarrian? What are you complaining about?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25140
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Posted - 2015.09.24 14:58:42 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Wait, aren't you Amarrian? What are you complaining about? The true face of the Amarr Empire
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
8714
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Posted - 2015.09.24 15:40:13 -
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OP... take some of my sage-like advice;
- don't take anything too seriously in the game. It's all posturing and chestbeating... most of it ironic in nature.
- the game allows you to do some pretty nasty stuff. But that's part of the game. Mechanically, it all holds the same weight as someone pulling off a quadruple jump in Checkers. Will you feel bad and demoralized? Certainly. Does it make your opponent a "bad person?" Nope. Not even if he/she said "I blitzkreged you!"
- Some people (Aussies especially) show affection by being massive penises and "getting under the skin." It's no joke either. When they feel comfortable with you they feel they can be a bit mean. And the meaner you are at each other, the closer you supposedly are. Then again...
- Sometimes the road to success lies in lunacy.
How did you Veterans start?
The Skillpoint System and You
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
624
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:18:13 -
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A small minority is vocal compared to a vast majority of players. Is a psychology that exists in every game. Just look at local of the busy systems. 0.01% of the players have the gamer mentality in game you describe essentially.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5393
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Posted - 2015.09.24 21:20:17 -
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Drathen Durelion wrote:So i started to look for groups to see what kind of things are going on in the different parts of space, and what i found is pretty disturbing.
I'm not distrubed by the fact that some of these partake in ganking, kamikazing, and in general trying to eat over the weak and the PVEers.
What makes me uneasy is when you read their intro messages and their discussions and terms, etc. They speak as if they were gods, or heroes, omniscient beings of supreme power or something.
Their speech at time can be compared to ***/Nazi preaching...
I mean...what the hell? That is advanced batshit insane stuff right there. Ya, it's like they are immortal or something. |
Drathen Durelion
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.09.24 21:49:43 -
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For those asking, yes i am referring to CODE. but its not entirely them. there seems to be a handful of groups wearing the tag ''James 315'' and all bear the same hate preaching.
''We will decide how YOU play this game because it is OUR game, and we are rulers, nd you are nothing but a peon, and if you don't, we will destroy you and your family.''
And i mean, you can say all you want that this is roleplay, but ive played enough DnD and did LARP to know what roleplay is.
Their texts are just about all written Out of Character, and use out-game terms on several occasions. That to me indicates that they really think what they are writing. |
Syeed Ameer Ali
Evil Murder Society
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Posted - 2015.09.24 22:59:01 -
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Drathen Durelion wrote:For those asking, yes i am referring to CODE. but its not entirely them. there seems to be a handful of groups wearing the tag ''James 315'' and all bear the same hate preaching.
''We will decide how YOU play this game because it is OUR game, and we are rulers, nd you are nothing but a peon, and if you don't, we will destroy you and your family.''
And i mean, you can say all you want that this is roleplay, but ive played enough DnD and did LARP to know what roleplay is.
Their texts are just about all written Out of Character, and use out-game terms on several occasions. That to me indicates that they really think what they are writing.
This isn't really an appropriate subforum to post rants against player organizations that you disapprove of. I'm ok with it though. But consider this - just because you don't get the joke doesn't mean it's not funny.
everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
3212
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Posted - 2015.09.24 23:06:03 -
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You're failing to account for the nature of EVE. EVE is a game where every narrative of note is player created and player driven. Things happen in EVE because of the things that players say and do to each other, not because of in-universe lore. Meta-game motivations for in game activities are common and normal.
Because these meta-game motivations are widespread, because even simple activities are often incredibly complex and require a lot of co-ordination and because clear and effective communications are actually important in EVE because things actually have consequences almost all players use "out of character" communications almost all of the time.
In the case of CODE. you have a group of players who agree with James315's views about bot aspirancy, so in game they play the role of CODE. agents, it used to be common for them to come across like terrorists or insane religious fanatics, but over time as CODE. have become more entrenched and effective the character of the CODE. agent has evolved into being more like the Secret Police of a fascist police state.
This combination of meta-game business and people actually doing the things they say they do (unlike with conventional roleplayers) results in something that could easily be mistaken for players coming across as complete lunatics when they're actually just "Being the Villain" (which was in fact an EVE advertising scheme). |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5394
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Posted - 2015.09.24 23:31:22 -
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Drathen Durelion wrote:For those asking, yes i am referring to CODE. but its not entirely them. there seems to be a handful of groups wearing the tag ''James 315'' and all bear the same hate preaching. You just lost me.
My most recent encounter with bumping.
and
Mining Safely
I fully support all pilots having fun in EVE, regardless of how they do it. |
Sere O'Asis
Origin Stories
84
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Posted - 2015.09.25 00:58:59 -
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Drathen Durelion wrote:For those asking, yes i am referring to CODE. but its not entirely them. there seems to be a handful of groups wearing the tag ''James 315'' and all bear the same hate preaching.
''We will decide how YOU play this game because it is OUR game, and we are rulers, nd you are nothing but a peon, and if you don't, we will destroy you and your family.''
And i mean, you can say all you want that this is roleplay, but ive played enough DnD and did LARP to know what roleplay is.
Their texts are just about all written Out of Character, and use out-game terms on several occasions. That to me indicates that they really think what they are writing.
Hi, and welcome to EVE.
I get where you're coming from; I, too, paused when I first started the game, and saw such rhetoric. It took me a while to understand what was going on, and if you play long enough, you, too, will understand.
EVE's Bad Guys are not lame computer generated enemies. EVE's Bad Guys are other players. And EVE's Bad Guys make the game!
No one would have played EVE for 10 years running if all they had for opponents were a bunch of red crosses.
No, people have played because of Code, or the Goons, or Pandemic Legion, or BOB, or the corp over the the next system that just muscled you out of you playing area. EVE's Bad Guys are why players have stayed.
Think of it this way:
Die Hard: John McClane and Hans Gruber Raiders of the Lost Ark: Indiana Jones and Rene Belloq Casablanca: Rick Blaine and Captain Renault Batman: Batman and the Joker
Memorable movies all, enhanced immeasurably by their villains.
EVE without it's player/villains would have languished long ago.
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Memphis Baas
594
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Posted - 2015.09.25 01:13:53 -
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There's a certain fun to be had from running a protection racket while being exceedingly polite, or exceedingly a lunatic. Victims are typically furious, but can't even vent their anger in a stream of expletives, because you're always posting polite nonsense on the forums, following all the rules of course.
"You have to pay us money so something bad doesn't happen to you." = protection racket. All the bull about James 315 and the code of conduct = extra entertainment
The PVP in this game is quite advanced, and often psychological. |
Agent Grzzly
New Order Logistics CODE.
4
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Posted - 2015.09.25 03:23:09 -
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I'm the most humble guy you've ever met.
PSA Ventures are Illegal in Highsec. High sec is player-owned space now. See www.MinerBumping.com
Kugutsumen.
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