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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.09.30 12:28:36 -
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The base concept of the burner missions, was to introduce PVP content into the PVE missions.
What we get is a system where people are using totally unranked ships , that don't have prop mode, or even disruptor.
Even when people drop 50 chars on a single burner he will still try to fight without disengaging.
What i propose is to fix this situation : when burner is low on armor or mission pocked is bloobed with capsules he will try to disengage and warp off.
If the capsuler fail to stop him - mission is failed.
This will force players to mount both prop mods, and warp distributors or scrambles depending on the situation.
Without this Burner rats cannot be considered as a PVP element in mission system.
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Leto Aramaus
Spiritus Draconis
Spaceship Bebop
260
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Posted - 2015.09.30 13:16:13 -
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I've never done a burner mission and don't remember the exact wording of the description of them when they first came out,
but I know I've seen people say several times that the purpose of burner missions was NOT specifically to give a "PVP" experience to PVE players. That CCP never said that, and that the purpose of the missions was just to give a different experience, new challenge, etc.
NOT to emulate PVP.
Since I haven't done them, I have no opinion on the suggestion. Just trying to pass along the relevant info I've heard.
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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2050
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Posted - 2015.09.30 13:35:55 -
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Dude, if a player pulled a **** a burner does I'd petition so fast the GMs wouldn't know what hit them.
They're no closer to a PvP experience than Dagan and furthermore they were explicitly stated to be nothing like PvP nor was that their aim. Their aim was a fitting puzzle. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2288
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Posted - 2015.09.30 14:15:54 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:The base concept of the burner missions, was to introduce PVP content into the PVE missions.
What we get is a system where people are using totally unranked ships , that don't have prop mode, or even disruptor.
Even when people drop 50 chars on a single burner he will still try to fight without disengaging.
What i propose is to fix this situation : when burner is low on armor or mission pocked is bloobed with capsules he will try to disengage and warp off.
If the capsuler fail to stop him - mission is failed.
This will force players to mount both prop mods, and warp distributors or scrambles depending on the situation.
Without this Burner rats cannot be considered as a PVP element in mission system.
You do realise this would make burner mission even more stacked on perfect ship+fit combo right? |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden
Workers Trade Federation
484
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Posted - 2015.09.30 15:00:48 -
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I think they are pretty frustrating enough in their current state. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2782
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Posted - 2015.09.30 15:35:18 -
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They don't need to be a PvP experience. Just something with a bit more bite than normal missions.
Would like normal missions to be a hybrid of the two or extensions of the burners
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Anthar Thebess
1316
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Posted - 2015.10.01 08:01:57 -
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For me this missions are totally unbalanced when someone drop 5 alts on a burner.
Maybe allow gate to pass only 1 ship?
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Skyler Hawk
Boars on Parade
The Tuskers Co.
48
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Posted - 2015.10.01 08:19:52 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:For me this missions are totally unbalanced when someone drop 5 alts on a burner.
Maybe allow gate to pass only 1 ship?
How on earth is that unbalanced? Would it be unbalanced if a guy brought five ships to run Worlds Collide? |
Seliah
Repo.
208
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Posted - 2015.10.01 08:28:11 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:For me this missions are totally unbalanced when someone drop 5 alts on a burner.
Maybe allow gate to pass only 1 ship?
Why add such a restriction ? If the 5 guys are complete newbies trying to overcome a powerful NPC and it takes 5 of them, fine ! If the 5 guys are experienced players, they'll only get 1/5 the reward each and it probably won't be worth it.
If you don't like blobbing burners, don't do it, there is no need to add a restriction to all players.
And regarding your initial suggestion, I like how burner missions are right now. They're pretty tough to figure out and give an interesting challenge compared to normal missions. Of course it's not a perfect emulation of real PVP, but it's a step closer than normal missions - and no matter how hard you try, you'll never emulate the behaviour of a real player.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2782
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Posted - 2015.10.01 12:44:44 -
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If they happen to all be the same player then thats little different to multi boxing mining, missions, anoms and even PvP.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1408
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Posted - 2015.10.01 14:38:44 -
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Seliah wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:For me this missions are totally unbalanced when someone drop 5 alts on a burner.
Maybe allow gate to pass only 1 ship? Why add such a restriction ? If the 5 guys are complete newbies trying to overcome a powerful NPC and it takes 5 of them, fine ! If the 5 guys are experienced players, they'll only get 1/5 the reward each and it probably won't be worth it. If you don't like blobbing burners, don't do it, there is no need to add a restriction to all players. And regarding your initial suggestion, I like how burner missions are right now. They're pretty tough to figure out and give an interesting challenge compared to normal missions. Of course it's not a perfect emulation of real PVP, but it's a step closer than normal missions - and no matter how hard you try, you'll never emulate the behaviour of a real player.
You're suggesting the game be gimped to the 5 nebros level. That's just an absurd argument. I think the thunderdome idea is great.
Make burners totally solo and totally challenging. If you don't like the idea - decline the burner mission.
By all means, if you want to blob missions then go for it, but the concept of a difficult unblobbable mission has a lot of merit. There is enough 'easy peasy' content - it doesn't all have to have an easy peasy option.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2289
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Posted - 2015.10.01 15:00:26 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:For me this missions are totally unbalanced when someone drop 5 alts on a burner.
Maybe allow gate to pass only 1 ship?
I though you wanted them to be more PvP like. Why can't I overpower the target with my friends/alt like I can in other PvP encounter? |
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