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Kua
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Posted - 2006.12.23 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Kua on 23/12/2006 17:43:53 Heya,
I am new to the EVE world and although I don't feel totally hooked yet, I'm more than willing to continue with the game to find the sweet stuff inside. I love the depth and variety, I also love the fact that the community is so much more mature than any game I have ever come across.
I do have a massive issue with lag however. Sometimes it is bearable but a nuisance. At other times it makes me wonder if it's really worth the time and money investment. I checked the technical section here, but these forums are so massive and active, it was really difficult to pin down some useful information. I try and keep out of highly populated areas, my PC spec is not the best but OK, also I haven't been involved in any massive battles yet.
People tell me - well what do you expect with a server with 20-30k ppl on it? I am a real computing/internet n00b but if such a server was bound to have such horiffic issues with lag, wouldn't it be designed another way.
I applied to EVE university - that seems like an excellent place to start. It's superb the game has such a corp. I did the tutorial a couple times and I think I did the storyline missions (but I'm not sure). My char started off in Jita, but I looked for agents elsewhere to avoid the lag.
Minor issue - I can't see anyones char portrait on these forums.
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Kua
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Posted - 2006.12.23 17:25:00 -
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One other thing I forgot to add:
It seems your starting skills and attributes go a long way to effecting your in game experience and (I use the term lightly) success. How much do you think it is worth fiddling around with new chars before settling on one? I'm currently on my third, he is 7-16-6-13-4. I've since found that memory and intelligence are the key attributes for learning skills - which increase other skill learning times.
Also I am currently in the free trial, but want to let it run out before making an account . Um, if I let it run out will I lose my char?
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Ghan Tylous
Caldari Infinite Dreams Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.23 17:33:00 -
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Trust me, its worth it. Even with the lag. Pre-Kali the lag was even worse and its much better now. Well thats what believe.
And in Jita, there is always lag. Jita is the cursed place of EVE, because there are so many people in that system and because its a trade hub.
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Sandeep
Caldari Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2006.12.23 19:39:00 -
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There is no lag generally. Only certain places are lagged because of a lot of objects.
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Baelmon
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.23 20:35:00 -
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I have no lag what-so-ever. I experienced some frame stutter/lockups on occasion, but that has nothing to do with the net, it is my video card I'd imagine.
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Kua
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Posted - 2006.12.23 20:55:00 -
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What are you guys doing right? Because I know I'm not the only one experiencing lag.
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GC13
Caldari Derelik Trading Company
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Posted - 2006.12.23 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kua What are you guys doing right? Because I know I'm not the only one experiencing lag.
Check what Sandeep said. Only certain places have lag, if the server node they are on has too many players on it. Jita has its own node and lags like crazy anyway. Most other places will be fine unless there are a lot of people in the system (or unless you're unlucky and get on an over-populated node).
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The Laundress
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Posted - 2006.12.23 23:55:00 -
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Janus Lee
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Posted - 2006.12.24 06:01:00 -
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I would make sure to identify whether the lag you're experiencing is latency with your connection or your computer client performance or both. You can check your FPS by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Shift-M. Check to see if you are experiencing lag in a relatively low populated system (check the Local chat window to see how many other players there are).
And about the stats, the priority changes depending on what role you primarily see yourself playing, but in general, Intelligence and Perception are the two most important stats. The former is the primary stat in most of the ship systems (electronics, mechanic, etc.) and the latter is the primary for most of the piloting and combat related skills. From a min-max perspective, the Calduri Achura is ideal.
With that said, most players would recommend that you choose a race based on a look you like the best first, and stats second. The priority of stats may also change in the future if CCP introduces skills with a different emphasis. If you're undecided, you can always go for a well-rounded balance among the five stats.
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Kua
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Posted - 2006.12.24 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: Kua on 24/12/2006 11:04:16 :(
I'm really finding I have to wrestle with this game but at the same time I'm very determined to find why so many EVE players sing this game's praises. I've seen glimpses of the appeal (the depth and variety I mentioned in the 1st post), but I feel far from being a part of the game.
ATM I am just sitting in my station with my frigate. I have a few mods I was kindly given. I could buy the skills books so I could fit and use them. Then again I could buy the skills I need for level 2 agents. I could do the missions set by my corp's agent (but that's in a laggy part of the system). I could just pick missions from agents in the system I am currently in (wherever that is :P). I could ask my corp if they want to do some mining with me or run a ratting mission (in both cases I probably wouldn't have the equiptment or the skills neccessary).
I could go and read more forums to see what's really going on... I don't take issue with that, but if I'm reading forums more often than I'm actually playing something is wrong. :P
I'm lost and confused and crying in the corner... and thinking of ditching this game. :(
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Freejax
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.24 11:16:00 -
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For your lagproblem it may be worth trying to lower some game settings, like graphics.
To find another agent to work for, you can do the following:
open your charactersheet >> select standings >> liked by >> choose a corp you want to work for and open it's info screen >> goto the Agents tab
There you'll find all agents for that NPC corporation, divided into 2 groups: Available and non-available
And indeed, EVE is a deep and complex game, give it time and you'll start too love it before you realize it
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Leonardo Sabrioski
Caldari Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.24 17:30:00 -
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It doesn't normally lag, it usually depends how much beer is spilled onto the servers at any given time
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Shanur
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Posted - 2006.12.25 04:51:00 -
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Yes, i agree, find out what kind of lag you are suffering because people tend to be ambigious with that. If it's "everything stutters into a slideshow!" kind of lag, it isn't the servers and no amount of investment by CCP will solve it. Your PC just can't cope with drawing all the ships you are near. Turning off eye candy or upgrading your PC are the only options there.
If it's "the game runs smoothly, but it takes 10 seconds for anything i do to cause a response in the game!", it's latency. This is an ongoing struggle with CCP, but one that you can avert largely by going out of the crowded systems. I am assuming you are Caldari and so far have decided to stay in or close to Jita. Get away from it. There is no real reason to stay at a particular system unless you are using a mission NPC in that system. Anything else can be done wherever you choose.
It's hard fitting in. Unlike WoW there is no directed content. EVE is a sandbox game where you make your own fun, but if you are in EVE University these people should be more than willing to help you find your place. Talk to them and explain what things in the game you are most interested in and they should be able to teach you how to make the most of it and set you up with some groups to enjoy those aspects of the game with. |
Keshi Linegod
Amarr Space Turtle Services
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Posted - 2006.12.25 07:35:00 -
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Edited by: Keshi Linegod on 25/12/2006 07:37:22 Edited by: Keshi Linegod on 25/12/2006 07:35:14 Re Lag: Like other people have said, it really varries depending on what system you are in and what node that system is on. For the most part I only get lag when just warping into a dead space complex and when I have my alt loged on.
Re What to do: Again, as someone else allready said, EvE is a giant sandbox, you are given tools and you have to figure out what you are going to do with them. It's taken me 6+ months to figure out what I want to do. I was in a indy corp for my first few months, they were a great bunch of people but it was too borning. Then I moved to a pirat corp and pwned a few carebares but found out that there was little-to-no challange. I moved into a PvP corp in a big 0.0 allience and went to a few ops but decided that I was not ready for it.
It was only in the last week that I finaly found a goal for me. I was talking to a RL friend who started playing EvE around the same time I made my first account (he actualy owns my orginal account) and we decided we wanted to build a empire PoS, and that is currently my goal right now. I had allready trained up a mineing alt to things kinda just came together.
So, the moral of the story is; try things out for your self but dont assume anything. I used to hate the fact that pirats were around, but I now realise that if there were no pirats then carebares would be out of business. Try your hand at mineing (does not have to be a barge, could be a crusier with T2 miners). Go into low sec and try ganking solo ratters. Join a corp that does a little bit of everything and make some friends, most corps that recruit newbies will be willing to help you with skill money (my first corp bought me like 20+ skills my second day in.
EvE is a sand box. Build a sand castle and beg someone to come destroy it just so you can have the fun of building it up again.
-K
Edit:I think I'll use that in my sig. -------------------------------------------------- EvE is a sand box. Build a sand castle and beg someone to come destroy it just so you can have the fun of building it up again.
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Kua
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Posted - 2006.12.25 18:20:00 -
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WHY CAN'T I GET INTO THIS GAME??!!??
First of all thanks for all the responses. This is such a helpful community - it's very refreshing.
I have been doing my upmost to try and get a grasp of this game - but sadly it's really not coming together.
I love the concept of skills, ships and fittings. I especially love the realistic elements - diplomacy, war, money-making, money-loss.
I have been gleaning information all over the place on the internet and I've probably actually learnt quite a lot - I've just been unable to apply it. Sad thing is I enjoy learning about the game more than playing it. When I log in I just sit there for a few minutes and see a few things I should do. I need to get more ammo for my turret. I told myself I would run some agent missions and get enough for a merlin (a nice step up from the frigate I currently fly). Now I have plenty of ISK to do that, but I know they are cheaper in other regions. Well to be fair I could complete the lvl 1 missions I have the requirements for in the frigate I already have. Well then may be I should buy some of the social skills which will improve my standings with agents. Hm ok social skill book, but wait I might as well get the negotiation skill book (5% extra isk from every completed mission - can't go wrong there). Wait I can't really afford both. Oh hang on a sec I needed some more ammo - need to check what type I need. Actually I need to start off on my new skill - I'm wasting precious learning time. What should I go for? Oh yeah I wanted to go buy a social skill................................
My head is in a constant spin and I just log out after 5 minutes. I find I'm not really motivated to do anything . Then again being male I'm no multi-tasker. May be I should write a list of things I need to do and take it one at a time. But is that really a game? I'm pretty sure I'm looking at this game the wrong way, although I know you have to make your char your own, follow a specific direction/career and enjoy the journey.
TBH even joining EVE uni hasn't helped. Absolutely no disrespect to those guys because it looks like they really do a great job. Well I won't pretend to fully understand the role of corps in the game and I think my expectations and preconceptions were a little wrong. I kind of expected to have joint PvE missions (even PvP - although now I see that's something for more experienced chars) to do whenever I logged on. Having fun with other n00bs and learning from the more experienced guys. Even just chatting and asking questions. It hasn't really proved that way.
I expected a lot from this game, I heard so many good things. In fact it sounded like the ideal game for me. I guess I'm disappointed. For sure I won't crticise the game because I can see a lot of people get a lot of pleasure out of it. And may be there is hope for me yet, I'll give it a little more time, but if I'm truly not enjoying it there's little point.
Yours an utterly depressed Kua.
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.25 18:27:00 -
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It just doesn't click with some people - that being said, you might need a goal to motivate you, try piracy or something combat-related. Its dangerous, and you need to be focused to do it, which it sounds like you lack atm .
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Kua
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Posted - 2006.12.25 18:34:00 -
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And how do I 'become' a pirate or start something 'combat-related'? :)
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.25 19:03:00 -
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...go out and shoot someone in a lowsec asteroid belt? See Crime & Punishment forum if it interests you, they have more resources there.
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Jokim
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Posted - 2006.12.25 22:01:00 -
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I had some of the same problems
The first time i started playing i had no idea what to do, and being a minmaxer personality, i went for getting learning skills before anything else I quickly got bored after a few days, and spent the remaining month'ish of my first month to just train skills, and when the subscribtion ran out i didnt resubscribe
I then a year later started again, this time too i was unsure what to do and just ended up training learning skills (the advanced ones this time hehe) but again i stopped playing and just spend the remaining days of my sub to train
Now im back for the 3rd time, having all learning skills (the advanced ones) more or less maxed im giving the game a go again lol I have started mining now though, and find that i very much look forward to getting new skills, whereas the other 2 times getting a new learning skill didnt pose any immediate upgrade or sense of progress.
What i did the very first time i played though was read alot on the forums and go for the "best" attribute setup (although i have 6 base charisma instead of 3) If you are worried about lacking in skill training speed at a later date you could reconsider making a new character and starting over, with maybe 3 charisma (if you want to run alot of agent missions this is proapbly not the best idea though)
My actual activities in those days i did more than just log in to train was doing alot of agent missions (ALOT, i had 80 million ISK at some point, while not having gotten much SP in any combat related skill at all) and was refered to lvl 2 agents from a host of lvl 1 agents. I think i got bored since i play eve since it is sci-fi and you want some sci fi elements like lasers and such. I was minmatar and they use projectile turrets, inredibly boring devices. You dont see the projectiles and they have virtually zero visible impact on the enemies. I have never tried any other weapons but i can imagine the at least laser turrets being more visually interesting.
Now i am mining, been getting alot of upgrades since i returned. First was getting into a mining cruiser, now i am waiting for mining skill to train so i can get minerII turrets. Lots of upgrades to look forward to as well, like getting into mining barge ships and later exhumers, being able to fly a hauler type ship, getting skills for drones etc etc, and i assume these things will keep me ingame for a while.
To sum up: make some goals for yourself, i have been in your position and i was just bored, logged in without any goals or stuff to look forward to and got burned out
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Kua
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Posted - 2006.12.26 02:01:00 -
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I knew there must have been others with a similar experience, it was interesting to read your experience with EVE, Jokim.
I think a little part of me is thinking: "sanbox, great, but how do i pwnerise the n00bs?" But the fact that it isn't like that makes this online game all the more appealing.
Like you I came to the game wanting to find the ultimate char and the ultimate skill order, so I could be da bestest. But your not going to find that (or at least understand, why some methods are better than others) until you have some experience in the game. Best just to jump in...
I guess if I was to have any sort of aim, it would be to learn how to do good pvp. Being a bounty hunter sounds kinda fun and heroic ^^. But it seems high end pvp takes a long time to work towards...
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Keshi Linegod
Amarr Space Turtle Services
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Posted - 2006.12.26 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kua
Like you I came to the game wanting to find the ultimate char and the ultimate skill order, so I could be da bestest. But your not going to find that (or at least understand, why some methods are better than others) until you have some experience in the game. Best just to jump in...
If you want to organise your skill training you might want to try EVEMon. It lets you pick the type of ship you want to fly down the line along with what mods you want to use on that ship. From there it will plot the skills out and give you tips on what learning skills you should learn first inorder to make it the fastest. It sounds like that is something you would like, gives you a list of what skills to train and when they will be done.
You are just suffering from the learning curve that is EvE. With so many things to do it gets scarry at times. -------------------------------------------------- EvE is a sand box. Build a sand castle and beg someone to come destroy it just so you can have the fun of building it up again.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.26 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kua One other thing I forgot to add:
It seems your starting skills and attributes go a long way to effecting your in game experience and (I use the term lightly) success. How much do you think it is worth fiddling around with new chars before settling on one? I'm currently on my third, he is 7-16-6-13-4. I've since found that memory and intelligence are the key attributes for learning skills - which increase other skill learning times.
Also I am currently in the free trial, but want to let it run out before making an account . Um, if I let it run out will I lose my char?
Not really an issue at all.
There are well over 300 skills in the game, so what you start with is a pittance of what you'll eventually train. My two mains are both near 200 skills, and almost all of them are very useful.
Attributes can be another matter, but it's very hard truly to ruin your character. Most drawbacks can be overcome by Learning skills and implants. So, unless you have a character with maxed Int, Mem, and Charisma, and only a base 3 in Perc and Will, and have your heart set on becoming the best warrior out there, you won't have a problem. If the above case is true, just start a new character with more balanced attributes, except Charisma. You'll only lose a few days of skill training and can use the experience you've gained from playing so far to streamline your new character and his goals, plus the ISK the original one made to help outfit the new one.
Originally by: Troy Knight
[After training Warp Drive Ops I] Still time I could have used training something else.
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Kua
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Posted - 2006.12.27 01:51:00 -
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Great news.
I think I've caught the EVE bug. I spent this afternoon tracking down a cheap Merlin and cheap ammo to go into the hybrid turrets I have. Also getting sorted with the skillz I need. Then I spent this evening easily pwning some lvl 1 rats and making quite a tidy amount of ISK (750k in cash - a lot more if you include the assets) in the process.
I have picked up a ton of mods in loot. I need to decide what I can use now, what I can viably use in the future and what I should sell on. Sell orders is definitely something I know very little about, I will have to look into it.
Also I would like to get skilled up so I can use salvaging equiptment to max out my yield from ratting. And grab some of the social skills needed for better lvl missions (my standing seems to be going up at a snail's pace currently - BTW that's the worst sticky out tongue smiley I have ever come across). Also I am trying to get a real grasp of how combat works - I looked into transversal velocity today, hm might leave that on the back burner for a while .
Also there's not a lot of reason why I shouldn't upgrade to a better frigate, or may be even a new type of ship.
Very soon I would like to do some missions with others.
Best of all I've learnt a lot without over burdening my precious cranium. Taking it in in bite size chunks.
So, in conclusion, I'm really enjoying EVE. Huzzah
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GC13
Caldari Derelik Trading Company
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Posted - 2006.12.27 02:17:00 -
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Score, another Merlin lover! SUCK IT, KESTREL!
I'm glad it all worked out for you. Just make sure you never let the fire die; it will smother itself if you ever sit there and expect to be entertained.
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Murchadha
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Posted - 2006.12.27 02:26:00 -
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Slow down! One thing I have learned from my short time in the game is that it takes f'ing ages to get going, this is something that appeals to me as it routes out the wum wow type players (most of em). Patience is a virtue
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Kai Lae
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.27 04:45:00 -
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The lack of structure - the game telling you what to do - is actually difficult to some, as they never actually find what in eve they enjoy. In short, be sure you've tried something before you decide you don't like it. Also, eve is a PvP game and is designed as such, so if you think the PvE is lacking, it's because it's not the focus of the game.
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Kua
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Posted - 2006.12.27 10:54:00 -
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Yes I'm very keen to get into pvp, but how much PvE experience (if any) do I need and what form of PvP is a good place to start?
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ToranagaSama
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Posted - 2007.01.13 21:04:00 -
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I've heard of the term, "Corp. Slave". I presumed this is what you become when you join certain Corps. These corps, apparently, are very hierarchal. You join, you're the low man on the totem pole, so you do what you're told. Much like the army.
Perhaps, this is what the OP needs. Some might not like the hierarchal nature of these corps, but for others they provide purpose. Takes away that 'lost' feeling I would think.
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Easy Target
Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.14 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kua Yes I'm very keen to get into pvp, but how much PvE experience (if any) do I need and what form of PvP is a good place to start?
PvE and PvP are very different...
U are in eve university.. Join one of their PvP classes and see what u recon.
Just cos eve is built around PvP doesnt mean you need to do it, i know people who have fun avoiding PvP at all costs, i also know people who avoid PvE at all costs. :)
Eve caters to all people really, as long as you realise you are never 100% safe, and not everyone plays the same as you, and what is your fun, may not be their fun, and vice versa.
Jump in.. see what is what..
Caldari merlin rail guns, missiles afterburner or a microwarp drive, webber, scrambler, small shield booster damage mods or cap recharge in lows and go and cause some trouble in low security.
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Daelmon
Minmatar Ascent of Ages R i s e
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Posted - 2007.01.14 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kua Edited by: Kua on 25/12/2006 18:25:51 Edited by: Kua on 25/12/2006 18:25:06 Edited by: Kua on 23/12/2006 17:43:53 Heya,
I am new to the EVE world and although I don't feel totally hooked yet, I'm more than willing to continue with the game to find the sweet stuff inside. I love the depth and variety, I also love the fact that the community is so much more mature than any game I have ever come across.
I do have a massive issue with lag however. Sometimes it is bearable but a nuisance. At other times it makes me wonder if it's really worth the time and money investment. I checked the technical section here, but these forums are so massive and active, it was really difficult to pin down some useful information. I try and keep out of highly populated areas, my PC spec is not the best but OK, also I haven't been involved in any massive battles yet.
People tell me - well what do you expect with a server with 20-30k ppl on it? I am a real computing/internet n00b but if such a server was bound to have such horiffic issues with lag, wouldn't it be designed another way.
I applied to EVE university - that seems like an excellent place to start. It's superb the game has such a corp. I did the tutorial a couple times and I think I did the storyline missions (but I'm not sure). My char started off in Jita, but I looked for agents elsewhere to avoid the lag.
Minor issue - I can't see anyones char portrait on these forums.
Join a 0.0 corp that does NOT reside in NPC owned stations. Welcome to the real Eve.
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