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Brakus
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Posted - 2006.12.24 02:20:00 -
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I have spent the last couple months getting my skills trained up while getting money through missions. My real goal though is to get into PvP, although I have been waiting until my skills are better and I have more of a cash flow. I don't want to be completely fodder.
Affording PvP: From reading posts I have gathered that a well trained/geared person can average 10M+/h doing level 4 missions or mining. So using normal market prices you are talking a couple hours of work just for a Cruiser and 20+ hours per well-fit battleship. Therefore, how do people really afford the PvP, especially in the HAC/Battleships? Are they actually gathering money as much or more as they are PvPing?
Number of Battles? I know this could be very different based on the type of corp the person is in but what amount of time do people spend looking for valid and practical targets compared to actually fighting? Could use some personal experience people have found based on different types of corps/fighting.
I'm really starting to wonder if my goal of getting into PvP is really going to be much fun in Eve.
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Sandeep
Caldari Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2006.12.24 02:29:00 -
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Insure your ships and use un-named modules. Those mods are very cheap and the ship costs only 30% of NPC price.
When you can afford to lose more expensive things, feel free to use them.
Also, traveling in large gang reduces your chance of getting killed first, unless you are flying a ship that has "Shoot Me First" painted all over.
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DubanFP
Caldari Four Rings Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.24 03:41:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 24/12/2006 03:44:58 Also if you can find good 0.0 corp, belt ratting brings in a good 20mil/hour "plus unpredictable loot drops". Considering after insurance a decently fit Tier 2 Battleship goes for about 30 mil. So an hour and a half of mining per raven is quite reasonable. Keeping T2 cruisers with 200mil fits is quite difficult with this income source though, believe me. But for the level of performance you get, as long as you're careful and know what you're doing it's definately a powerful weapon.
edit: it's also good to note that PVPers usually save very little. __________________________ Why babelfish is bad mmm k "which the night do not expect that it calls the primary education before becoming deformed inside" |
Micia
Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.24 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Brakus I'm really starting to wonder if my goal of getting into PvP is really going to be much fun in Eve.
It's a rush like no other.
I wish I'd started earlier. Spent a whole year in Empire before taking the plunge. Obviously ships like HACs and BattleShips (plus fittings) can take a fair chunk of ISK to equip & replace, but even relatively new pod-pilots can quickly find their place with smaller ships.
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.12.24 08:11:00 -
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It depends on your character. I personally like PVP in bursts. I have been called a very capable pilot, but I lose a lot of ships when I do it
It can be an adrenaline rush. It can also be extramly relaxing. I prefer to think of it as like a mission. I get very focused and calm under fire.
One mantra however; never ever fly a ship you cannot afford to lose. If you cant wave bye bye to your ship when heading into a fight, get a cheaper ship or something. Nothing kills the joy of PVP like thinking OMG I'M GONNA LOSE IT! If you fly cheap ships you will go out more, enjoy yourself and get known as one of those guys that always comes out when needed. Theres too many people in HACs that only show up when its a blob and theres no risk.
And yes a simple t1 frig can be damn effective. Actually heres one setup for free. I dont like to fly mwd ships as they are fire magnates. but MWD ships are in high demand as tacklers. Interceptors are the best at it but with an mwd they have the survivability of a sparrow. Solution? Rifter; 2 200mm plates, small repper, 20km scram (or 7km) webber, frig MWD, and no guns. This is the best tackler frig I have ever flown. Its been in several fights and I've never lost one. Your in a gang so they can get the kill and your on the killmail if you care about that. Its very tough so you can surrvive to hold the target. Ive snagged interceptors with this thing. And it comes to way less than half a million in cost.
So you see you can actually be succesful if you think outside the box a little bit.
"Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero
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Caleb Paine
Infinite Technologies
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Posted - 2006.12.24 09:49:00 -
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Edited by: Caleb Paine on 24/12/2006 09:50:02 Grab a frigate, go PVP. No really, it's that simple. You don't need T2 ships, BSes with T2 gear or whatnot. Get a frig, go to low sec and start shooting someone. If you want to do it in 0.0 then you might need a tad better ship, a nice cruiser will do, or get some friends (join a corp/alliance) and do it with a group.
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Soulis
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.24 11:12:00 -
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every gang NEEDS tacklers. by fillin this spot in a cheap tech 1 frigate you will give your self some experiance in pvp for when you want to move up to somethin more heavy hittin like a cruiser.
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Asestorian
Minmatar Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.24 14:00:00 -
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The thing is that you shouldn't fit all the really expensive stuff to your ship before you have any experience in PvP. Good PvPers that fly stuff like HACs and Command Ships don't lose them very often at all, because they know what they are doing. This means that they don't have to spend ages replacing them, because there is nothing to replace, as they haven't lost the ship
I suggest fitting out a Cruiser or Frigate with more basic weapons first. Sure its not as cool, or powerful as the other guys flying around with their Tech II and faction stuff, but you aren't useless, and when you inevitably die, its not that painful.
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Brakus
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.12.24 14:57:00 -
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Thanks for the answers.
I had forgotten about insurance since I haven't lost a real ship. That would change all of the numbers quite a bit so I see how its more practical now for people to fly in battleships.
I do plan to be the rifter of non-terror soon so I can learn the basics of PvP. I hope to jump up into cruisers pretty quickly though since doing level 3 missions provides decent enough income to pay for them. Now if I could just make this skill training go faster and decide which type of PvP corp I'm looking for... Brakus Eve Wiki |
Ripley Anachira
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Posted - 2006.12.26 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ripley Anachira on 26/12/2006 12:36:59 So are you guys saying i could just go buy a Merlin, fit it with some stuff and for a total of 500kISK i can be a PvPer?
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Caleb Paine
Infinite Technologies
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Posted - 2006.12.26 13:54:00 -
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Why wouldn't you?
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Easy Target
Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.26 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ripley Anachira Edited by: Ripley Anachira on 26/12/2006 12:36:59 So are you guys saying i could just go buy a Merlin, fit it with some stuff and for a total of 500kISK i can be a PvPer?
Never under estimate a ship, of any type.
I would personally use a kestrel other than the merlin unless u have good gunnary skills, if u dont feel tied to caldari i would maybe use the rifter instead, but yeah.
U can PVP in pretty much anything, even large alliances have tech I frigates in there fleets, they are just as useful as an interceptor, maybe slightly slower, but useful none the kess.
Get a team of 3 or 4 well fitted frigates with complimentary fittings and you will bring down battleships...
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Serret Nevets
Puppets on Steroids
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Posted - 2006.12.26 14:06:00 -
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What they are saying is, you can buy a frig, out-fit it with standard tech 1 stuff and go pvp for less than 500k and be effective.
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Karille
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.26 17:33:00 -
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If you have to "Afford" to pvp then you aren't good at it. If you make money from it you are.
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.26 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Karille If you have to "Afford" to pvp then you aren't good at it. If you make money from it you are.
wow I must bow to MC's uberness, they were born with it...
With ship insurance and not going over the top with mods even a battelship isn't that expensive. If your doing alot in solo and small gangts picking up plenty of isk along the way is easily workable.
While you skill up small gangs of frigs and t1 cruisers ared dirt cheap to fly and lots of fun to learn in.
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flaming phantom
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Posted - 2006.12.26 23:32:00 -
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thats what i do, i have a tackling rifter and ive used it numerousa times in gang to kill other intis, assault frigs, vruisers and such.
i rat, reprocess everything and then make the ships myself since i bought all the bpos for all my rifter gear. all that cost me about 3mil maybe and i have a cirtual limitless supply of rifters :-)
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Nash Leigth
Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.12.27 00:00:00 -
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When you are inexperienced at pvp and have few sp then most likely you won't be able to profit by it much. I think people who are taking out their HACs and battleships either know what they are doing already, or can earn good ISK on the side in some other way, or don't mind playing for hours to earn that money and make another go at it.
It does not take a couple of hours to replace a cruiser because you insure it and you don't outfit it with the best stuff out there before you get some experience pvping in cheaper setups. And when you get that experience, you stop losing as many ships.
PVP is not done to profit. PVP is done to get a high from that adrenaline rush most players experience when engaging someone. Also the enjoyment of outsmarting the most dangerous and unpredictable enemy out there - a human player - rather than fighting against the non-player characters. If you don't get pleasure from doing this in game and no adrenaline high, then there is no reason to get into pvp. If you do, then how much ISK can be made in the process compared to some other activities in game will not be a major concern to you.
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