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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2015.10.08 03:11:43 -
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Dmitry Kuvora wrote:the biggest problem with t3d is off grid links, they are too cheap and powerfull when have sig and rep bonuses something like that(cost just 150mil): https://zkillboard.com/kill/49289380/ under 2 webs, can tank cerberus and rapier, both with faction EM rapid missiles i think: 1) svipul and confessor should be forced to fit mwd 2) t3d hull price around 80mil 3) and maybe some signature increase 4) fix insta warp trick sry for english
Sorry for angrish, in order to do that you need to spend consideral amount of isk in blue modules that cost as much as the ship itself.
Explain in your narrow point of view why a ship should under-perfom with such modules on? Why do we even have blue modules in the game? Can I haz your stuff?
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elitatwo
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Posted - 2015.10.08 03:37:00 -
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It is very good to see that the list of players involved in changes are good pvpers, people you can talk to and know their stuff very good.
Kudos to each an everyone of you!
In my opinion the Confessor should be a tad "lighter" whit mass. 2 million is too much. The selling point of the Jackdaw was very low mass only to kick her in the behind with the even lighter Hecate.
Why on earth should the Amarr destroyer be twice as heavy as the other ones? It should be very clear that an oversized propulsion mod will gimp your mobility alot. Inertia or not you move like a brick on the artic ice.
I can agree with a mass value of 1.5 million.
Speaking of the Jackdaw, I think there doesn't need to be much of a change here. I liked the tanky iteration better but I am okay that you listened to my concern that the Jackdaw would be a one-trick pony.
Now you have all 4 option open to your liking.
I have to admit that I only flew the Hecate four or five times on SiSi and even though I have the book trained to the magic 5 I don't find the Hecate tanky enough for the things I do.
And I am free to admit that I really don't like the current new sexy is to hull tank everything to make a mockery of active tank in the process.
Active tanking is as much an art as fitting a ship is - I am an artist.
Which brings me to my next point - Inderdictors.
With the destroyer hype I thought I might as well train those too since I haven't look at tech one and two destroyers much - I am more of a cruiser girl. My apologies.
I see a missed opportunity on Inderdictors as in more tanky destroyers with a taad more firepower than the tech ones. They could be competitors to face our tactical destroyer but I found that they are not strong enough to compete with them so you need to ship up one class.
At the cruiser level you have a wide variety of ships to choose from to kill the tactical destroyers and none of them have to be tech 2.
Even one Sentinel can make 75% of all tactical destroyers have a really bad day, an Arbitrator even worse.
Chessur and Sutonia, please bare in mind that low and nullsec are not the only places in EVE. In all effect wormholes you have to live with contrainst and weaknesses amonst the buffs such effects can provide.
Don't make them unviable in Sleeper space.
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elitatwo
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Posted - 2015.10.09 00:42:50 -
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Johnny Riko wrote:Assault Frigates are getting a buff? Link?
They will, at some point. Just not in the near future. Maybe 2018-ish?
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elitatwo
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Posted - 2015.10.09 16:51:05 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:All the hate for oversized abs, they are not the problem and never were - for anything. Yeah when a confessor handled with them as if it was a mwd cruiser it wasnt great, but those days are over.
Oversized ab ships are all around good for the game.
I agree the Confessor is now the "fast kid" in the schoolyard and 2400m/s is not even a related to as fast. I think the Confessor suffered enough.
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elitatwo
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Posted - 2015.10.28 15:12:50 -
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Iyacia Cyric'ai wrote:Hecate and Jackdaw are fairly well balanced. 10mn AB Confessor is fairly strong but relies on cap for everything it does (armor buffer builds are pretty weak IMO). Svipul is just way too strong. Not just 10mn Svipuls but also mwd fits just because base speed (speed while scrammed) on prop mode is still faster than frigates so it will still dictate range even in most of those scenarios.
The prop mode for the Svipul and Confessor need to changed to a % increase to speed provided by AB or MWD, and not an increase to the base speed. In autocannon fits I practically never switch to sharpshooter mode or defensive mode. The base speed increase on prop mode helps you mitigate more damage when fighting vs cruisers than defensive mode, and allows for more transversal/range dictation for damage application when fighter vs things smaller than cruisers than sharpshooter mode.
The Confessor is only good because you can fit a 10mn ab in the first place. If you fit a 1mn you are just an expensive lossmail waiting to happen. Take it away and the Confessor went from good to lol.
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elitatwo
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Posted - 2015.10.28 20:36:02 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:The Confessor is just fine with a 5mn MWD. I've never used a 10mn AB on the Confessor, for philosophical reasons, and I've had plenty of success with it. Perhaps I am doing it "wrong," but the ship really does work without a 10mn AB.
Maybe but you cannot sig-tank with a mwd. I guess your fit uses pulses instead of beams so being close is what you want. The 10mn beam fit is different to fly that's why I fly it this way.
But this is also a matter of taste. How you like to fly and I may be completely different and that is fine. Let's not discuss taste.
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elitatwo
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Posted - 2015.10.31 16:26:29 -
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I don't need to look at that, I know. Best of luck!
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elitatwo
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Posted - 2015.11.23 08:39:22 -
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Medio Morde wrote:Hi.
Why don't T3 destroyers cost skills when they die? They should. They are strong enough to warrant people still flying them, despite the potential loss.
Hi, go find a class 3-6 wormhole, go inside and have a look. Maybe make some isk in an Ibis and tell us how that went.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2015.11.26 12:42:16 -
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Soltys wrote:....some blurrbhh-....
Translation:
Mah Ibis can't kill a boat that is 2x the size of an Ibis, fully mean, make nurf nao!!
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2015.12.16 18:55:29 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:... A T2 Rifter isn't supposed to be slower than a T1 Rifter -- it's supposed to be BETTER....
That premise is plain wrong. A tech2 is supposed to be different, not better.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2015.12.21 02:17:39 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:While I do agree with your statement, I feel assault frigates need a little "something" to give them an edge. They ought to be different, "specialised", yes? Well then ... what exactly are they specialised in? I always assumed they were beefier, damage dealing versions of the vanilla frigs; yet as it stands, they this role is completely overshadowed by T3 destroyers because T3Ds have taken over their sigradius bonus, and move at roughly the same speeds as well.
What I'm trying to get at, is that you may want to review their specialisation by giving them a little velocity buff as to ensure there's still a place for them. Different is one thing, no discussion there. But I also want better. Because I paid good ISK for it. Does that make sense to you?
The old 50% MWD sigradius reduction is no longer a selling point as T3Ds have it too. So... dare I suggest an 80% MWD sigradius reduction? A plain speed buff perhaps?
"Why speed" you ask? Well, because that would differentiate them from Tech III destroyers. Destroyers can retain their role as frigblapping machines with or without this modification; but I could once again undock an assault frig and feel like I've made a meaningful choice -- in this case, speed over gank/tank.
Your T1 frig would still be 'different' ; case in fact, a Rifter can fit scram/web/MWD whereas a Wolf only has 2 mids. It is by definition not a tackler but fleet DPS support.
I do get that and I don't know what the answer is. Yes a tad more speed would be nice but the concept still is that assault ships were supposed to hunt cruisers and up. A destroyer that is custom made for killing everything in it's class and below is not a good target for assault ships, unless you don't plan to live to tell a tale about it.
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elitatwo
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Posted - 2015.12.21 02:36:41 -
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Shalashaska Adam wrote:https://suitonia.wordpress.com/2015/12/17/why-are-the-svipul-and-confessor-so-much-more-overpowered-than-the-hecate-and-jackdaw/
Highly recommend CCP give this a good read.
I think the observations and suggestions made in that article, really hit the nail on the head.
Changing the confessors speed mode bonuses to match the hecate, combined with a little base speed nerf and perhaps a small sig increase, would I think perfectly balance that ship, without ruining the fits of those who already use it in other already balanced ways.
Same again for the svipul, speed mode changed to match the hecate, base speed nerf, signature increase. A little something more might be required afterwards for that ship, but i think you get it 99% of the way there by simply making those changes.
What I think should be avoided is any further changes to their fitting, doing so is not truely addressing the issue, certainly not for the confessor atleast. By doing so you restrict the creativity and flexibility of all fits just to try and bandaid one particular issue.
Also would cut out the unintended mode switch trick, instead by giving them 2 sec alligns only in speed mode.
While I do like Suitonia and respect him a lot, I disagree somewhat.
Maybe the base speed on the Confessor is higher than the other ones but with that mass addition that makes the Confessor have more mass than a titan make is move really bulky. You can try an experiment on SiSi and fit a few 1600mm plates on a Maller and put a 100mn afterburner on and tell me how "agile" that is. There is not doubt that that minmatar thing is overpowered and needs to go down in flames.
Someone put a bath-tub with lead and bathe someone we all know in it and ask him, how he moves in his fancy new lead-coat. The rest of the blog says, destroyer kills frigate - destroyer op.
Here is a hint, Ibis kills Jackdaw because Jackdaw underpowered. Haven't flown the Hecate much, only once, but I feel that the Caldari and Gallente got a very short stick there and the sudden minmatar f(l)avoritism is making me sick.
Thy shalt not have a better ship than those of the Caldari - masters of technology.
That minmatar yolo-i-win-boat should explode when you hit approach, not the other way around. And for the rest of the lowsec is zee onla plece in EVE population, for the last time destroyer kills frigate - zee END.
And please make sure you apply to join EVE-UNI today, so they can explain to you what damage per hit and damage per second means - oh zee horror, two different things.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2015.12.22 01:19:20 -
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Bobman Smith wrote:Fixing T3 Dessies is quite simple.
Remove insurance: You lose it, you lose it all! (unless you come back to salvage your own corps) Increase Dessy Hull cost to about 160M: They should simply cost more then a T2! Change 50% to 25% weapons damage bonus. Doing good damage should be an asset to the class, but it should be its utility that gives it its advantage over T2. T2 DPS should always out DPS T3.
Sorry for my ignorance but what is a "dessay" and why should it cost more than a pirate cruiser? And while we are at it, can we reduce the amount of turrets a destroyer has?
An eight turret Catalyst is too stronk, should be 0.1 or 0.009 turrets, so they can't hurt the poor newbies in the lows and stuff. Better have all destroyers have a weapon damage penalty of 99.991% and rename them to pokemons instead - I poketh thee.
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elitatwo
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Posted - 2015.12.22 17:44:45 -
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Bobman Smith wrote:... Maybe its Dessie? You speak slang? Destroyers are commonly called Dessies, or Dessys, or however its spelt as its not really a proper word but an acronym.
Sorry, I don't speak colloquial. I hear it alot but this is not what they tought us in school. Haven't you ever noticed that I very rarely use acronyms at all? Since this forum is open to read for all mankind to see I abstain from using acronyms which people from other backgrouds maybe not be familiar with as we are.
I still disagree that a large frigate should cost more than a pirate faction ship. State of the art maybe but they really shine in unknown space where you have to make more tactical decisions and don't have a market hub to dock and buy stuff that isn't there. Maybe it is difficult to comprehend for people with a narrow viewfield but outside of lowsec there are areas of New Eden that are just out of reach of anything and all you have there is what you bring.
Unless you live in Syndicate where you can dock in most systems, everyone elses station doesn't allow for "outsiders" to dock and trade. I said many, many times in the last decade that they digging their own grave but they wouldn't listen. Now they are begging CCP to clean up the mess they created.
There needs to be a general shift in a lot of places but when I call for nerfs, people start to look funny. Maybe someday, someone finds a ways to nerf people. Until then we need to put a secret service detail on the middle school's playground.
So pokemons and frigate online it is.
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elitatwo
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Posted - 2015.12.23 00:51:47 -
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Bobman Smith wrote:...You make a good point about using acronyms on public fourms and I'll make the effort to reduce them going forwards.
But the rest of what you said does not make any sense... I'm trying to reverse engineer the logic but get stumped with trying to enter the value "pokemon" as its been referenced twice. Is there a guide I missed? Some activity in Eve I have not heard about? Please enlighten me your grace, as I'm having difficulties decoding your point...
I was trying to make a word-play. Since everyone here is so hellbend on nerfing my laserboat I was proposing a 99.991% weapon damage penalty at which time the only thing they would be doing is poking someone but not doing what they should be doing. Is poking an Ibis with one hp damage enough, so that they are not considered "overpowered"?
Hence the pokemons, the new name for destroyers.
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Posted - 2016.01.02 14:03:59 -
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Ganthrithor wrote:It's 2016. Can we nerf the Svipul yet?
They are still at holidays - so are you. Give it a few weeks, they will do it.
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Posted - 2016.01.27 07:14:39 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Kasia en Tilavine wrote:So did the focus group happen? Did it die? Or what? Can one of the focus group members at least come give us a wave to indicate that this was/is progressing beyond "let's do this! +1" Yes it progressed beyond lets do this. Towards the end of the year activity dropped off for a number of reasons. There was some good discussion before that however.
Mind sharing some details?
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elitatwo
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Posted - 2016.05.16 01:58:34 -
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Fozzie doesn't really care about ship balance. minmatar op, let's put battleship mass on a laser-frigate and call it a day.
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