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Rehmes	Posted - 2006.12.25 16:49:00 - [1] Realizing that these are immune to EW and such how does one go about killing them? Ive heard nanophoons could be used to throw them off alignment etc but well does this work? And out of curiosity how much punishment can these take? meaning how many BSes would you need to break its tank?
jbob2000 Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.25 16:51:00 - [2] Nos it an use a dictor.
Morden Nok Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.25 17:15:00 - [3] I reliable information that bumbing mothership with BS does not affect it a bit. Which makes them impossible to kill in low-sec, unless the pilot logs / ctds with aggro. 0.0 you need dictors, dmg and to drain it's cap. Be advised, with officer smartbombs the smartbomb radius is around 15- 17 km from the center of the ship. So far no one has killed an Mothership. I'd really like to get CCP give us a way of killing Motherships in low-sec (specialized tackling gear or something) unfortunately I doubt it will be done.
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.25 18:00:00 - [4] Previous posters are both correct so just to recap: 1) Apply dictor bubbles (remember that due to bug you can't at the moment have both dictor bubbles and warp bubbles on same grid, they nullify each other) 2) Apply nos. 3) Kill the fighters. 4) Apply some more nos. 5) Hit mothership's weak point for massive damage. Repeat 1-4 until it runs out of fighters and possible drones, then go to 5. ----- You are #27 in queue to see this signature.
Sophia Kasta	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:36:00 - [5] Originally by: Morden Nok I reliable information that bumbing mothership with BS does not affect it a bit. Which makes them impossible to kill in low-sec, unless the pilot logs / ctds with aggro. 0.0 you need dictors, dmg and to drain it's cap. Be advised, with officer smartbombs the smartbomb radius is around 15- 17 km from the center of the ship. So far no one has killed an Mothership. I'd really like to get CCP give us a way of killing Motherships in low-sec (specialized tackling gear or something) unfortunately I doubt it will be done. I agree whole heartedly that we need some realistic way of killing or at least driving off capital ships in low sec. Its rediculous when you can have run all the way from 25 jumps into 0.0 and in the 0.4 empire system before safe-space you get hit by a sentry-tanking mothership that doesn't give a damn about ANY damage you can do to it. Oh and the no jamming/sensor dampning just makes it impossible to escape it once its locked you. Thats just a happy lil advantage. And full racks of officer smart bombs so anything that might have enough damage to actually drive it off just dies. Joy.
Asezel xtort	Posted - 2006.12.25 21:04:00 - [6] Takes only 6 months to fly one. Rather silly to make someones real hard work to get one valueless cause you don't know how to warp to 0km. Likely your own fault if you go agro on one in your lower class ship. Well no harm done by fighters if they can't track you if you know what I mean.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.25 22:40:00 - [7] It pretty much depends on MS pilot's lack of skill/knowledge than anything else. But we killed a titan -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.25 22:43:00 - [8] I kept a carrier completely out of alignment with a Rifter. Bumping works. Just takes a lot of patience and some measure of skill. Don't for one second think that ramming the ship at 100% speed will work. It doesn't. - EVE is sick.
Christopher Dalran	Posted - 2006.12.25 22:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Ithildin I kept a carrier completely out of alignment with a Rifter. Bumping works. Just takes a lot of patience and some measure of skill. Don't for one second think that ramming the ship at 100% speed will work. It doesn't. If 2 people in frigates work together and one bumps the very front from underneath and the other person bumps the back end from above and they alternate you can get the carrier to flip around like a fish out of water easily, the only problem is if they fit any smartbombs your toast fairly quickly. Only did this on a carrier, i've never actually personally even seen a mothership.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.25 23:04:00 - [10] Pretty much. That's why it's golden to get these ships when they are sitting too close to the stargates ^^ Fact is, though, that you don't need to control the carrier/mothership's alignment, you just need to make sure that you are in the way all the time. That means giving the game 10k movement commands per minute to counter act your own (larger) bump from hitting the C/MS, but hey... - EVE is sick.
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.25 23:07:00 - [11] Originally by: LUKEC It pretty much depends on MS pilot's lack of skill/knowledge than anything else. But we killed a titan You have a point there but I wouldn't use the word "kill" in that case...it lacked the proactive element. But yes, you shot it. ----- You are #27 in queue to see this signature.
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.25 23:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Ather Ialeas Originally by: LUKEC It pretty much depends on MS pilot's lack of skill/knowledge than anything else. But we killed a titan You have a point there but I wouldn't use the word "kill" in that case...it lacked the proactive element. But yes, you shot it. They shot it, it died. If you wanted to argue that wasn't killing, I think I'd have great fun arguing that Girls Aloud didn't fight back Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Fuujin Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.12.25 23:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Ather Ialeas Originally by: LUKEC It pretty much depends on MS pilot's lack of skill/knowledge than anything else. But we killed a titan You have a point there but I wouldn't use the word "kill" in that case...it lacked the proactive element. But yes, you shot it. They shot it, it died. If you wanted to argue that wasn't killing, I think I'd have great fun arguing that Girls Aloud didn't fight back Yes it was killed, though as cool as it was i wouldnt proudly proclaim it considering the circumstances. Sig removed, please keep all signature graphics in english unless we feel like playing faves with you, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.26 00:00:00 - [14] ...and I wouldn't proudly proclaim it in here. Go do that in that forum where Sir Molle says "Hi" and get four pages of flame for it. That's the forum you use for bragging, here's where you whine when you lost battleships to interceptors. - EVE is sick.
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.12.26 14:11:00 - [15] I get a suspicious feeling this has something to do with us again... The Establishment is at your service...
Ione Hunt Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.26 15:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Ange1 I get a suspicious feeling this has something to do with us again... ________________________________________________
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.12.26 15:58:00 - [17] If a mothership has officer smartbombs, it's impossible to trap it with interdictor bubbles as it can easily blow up the bubble probe and warp off. Originally by: Khavi Vetali Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.26 16:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Berrik Radhok If a mothership has officer smartbombs, it's impossible to trap it with interdictor bubbles as it can easily blow up the bubble probe and warp off. You don't need to catch the MS [u]in a bubble. Oh and use several dictors. ----- You are #27 in queue to see this signature.[/i]
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.12.26 16:23:00 - [19] I love how these threads apear each time I go for a little R'n'R in low sec Seriously tho, no ship in this game is unkillable and if people put enough time and effort into finding a creative way of killing a mothership to match the effort taken to build one then you'd probably have a good shot at it.
hangnoose Caldari Repo Industries	Posted - 2006.12.26 16:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Ather Ialeas Previous posters are both correct so just to recap: 1) Apply dictor bubbles (remember that due to bug you can't at the moment have both dictor bubbles and warp bubbles on same grid, they nullify each other) 2) Apply nos. 3) Kill the fighters. 4) Apply some more nos. 5) Hit mothership's weak point for massive damage. Repeat 1-4 until it runs out of fighters and possible drones, then go to 5. Don't dictor bubbles count as EW? The bubbles themselves are in the same group as warp scramblers/disruptors.
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.26 17:40:00 - [21] Originally by: hangnoose Originally by: Ather Ialeas Previous posters are both correct so just to recap: 1) Apply dictor bubbles (remember that due to bug you can't at the moment have both dictor bubbles and warp bubbles on same grid, they nullify each other) 2) Apply nos. 3) Kill the fighters. 4) Apply some more nos. 5) Hit mothership's weak point for massive damage. Repeat 1-4 until it runs out of fighters and possible drones, then go to 5. Don't dictor bubbles count as EW? The bubbles themselves are in the same group as warp scramblers/disruptors. Nope. Clone Vat Bay is listed as a siege module but you can't fit those to dreads either. It's a CCP thing. ----- You are #27 in queue to see this signature.
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.12.27 00:29:00 - [22] Go ahead and disbelieve me about the bubbles if you want, but ask everyone who's tryed to kill the Establishment's Nyx first. It fits officer smartbombs specifically to pop the dictor probes and warp off. Originally by: Khavi Vetali Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.
Hunter C8 Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.27 00:44:00 - [23] I say we get capital sized MWDs! Then you can really bump those things, imagine BoB's titan flying at 2000m/sec with nanos on (Cause inertias lower mass = less bumpage) and watch that MS rocket away while Domis NOS it dry, ahh that sounds fun :)
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.12.27 02:36:00 - [24] Edited by: Ange1 on 27/12/2006 02:35:45 Originally by: Berrik Radhok Go ahead and disbelieve me about the bubbles if you want, but ask everyone who's tryed to kill the Establishment's Nyx first. It fits officer smartbombs specifically to pop the dictor probes and warp off. Well thats not their only purpose. They're great for drive-by smartbombings of unwary Frigs and Pods The Establishment is at your service...
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.12.27 02:49:00 - [25] Originally by: Morden Nok 0.0 you need dictors, dmg and to drain it's cap. Be advised, with officer smartbombs the smartbomb radius is around 15- 17 km from the center of the ship. So a smartbomb's range is based on the outside of the ship or what? Technically speaking, smartbombs should be useless as all hell on a MS or titan. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.12.27 02:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Ather Ialeas Originally by: Berrik Radhok If a mothership has officer smartbombs, it's impossible to trap it with interdictor bubbles as it can easily blow up the bubble probe and warp off. You don't need to catch the MS [u]in[/i] a bubble. Oh and use several dictors. Still doesn't work. You stagger smartbombs and those dictor bubbles last a whole 2-3 seconds. I've seen the EST mothership in lowsec before, and tbh, with current mechanics I'd never bother trying to go after it any kill it unless I have a fleet that could alpha strike it dead, because that's really the only way. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Yoshimako	Posted - 2006.12.27 04:01:00 - [27] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia with current mechanics I'd never bother trying to go after it any kill it unless I have a fleet that could alpha strike it dead Thats the money shot!
Tisanta Amarr Privateers	Posted - 2006.12.27 04:33:00 - [28] 3 dreads 20 battleships 30 cruisers.. and a few of what ever you feel like.. or alternativly 4 carriers.. preferably amarr for front line combat i think that would bring one down if it has a fleet with it then 6 carriers... --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.12.27 04:58:00 - [29] Originally by: Tisanta 3 dreads 20 battleships 30 cruisers.. and a few of what ever you feel like.. or alternativly 4 carriers.. preferably amarr for front line combat i think that would bring one down if it has a fleet with it then 6 carriers... Doubtful this is actually large enough unless its a highly skilled bunch of people doing it. Even if it were good enough, you'd be looking at a significant proportion of your fleet decimated. Though I suppose it would be worth the sacrifice for such a prize kill The Establishment is at your service...
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.27 10:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia So a smartbomb's range is based on the outside of the ship or what? Technically speaking, smartbombs should be useless as all hell on a MS or titan. Smartbombs are useless. Officer smartbombs, however, are not. The power of the smartbomb is mostly in its range rather than in the DPS. Mind you, Officer Smartbombs combine the two. It appears, going from testing on my smartbomb BS's, that your smartbomb range is increased by the size of your ship. So if you are flying a 15km long ship, and fire off a 10km officer smartbomb, then thats a diameter of 45km you are smartbombing. Of course, this is still leading out 10km in the appropriate direction but you get the idea. Its not easy to pin a MS/Titan down, and so far, the only way they have been killed is due to pilot error, which is now so publisised, that it is unlikely to happen again :) --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE

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